(07-02-2022 11:18 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 10:47 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 10:05 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  So a Texas court ruled no on allowing state abortion laws to kick in essentially FOILING the conservative move to stop killing babies.

The baby killers were empowered! The courts rules they could keep on killing babies.

But then, another Supreme Court weighed in -- the Texas Supreme Court.

They told those baby killing lower courts to go straight back to the pits of hell from which the crawled.

"The land of the overworld is saved again!"

Texas Supreme Court Blocks Lower Court Ruling That Allowed Abortions To Continue

Quote:On Friday, the Texas Supreme Court allowed the state’s longstanding pre-Roe abortion ban to take effect by blocking a lower court order that said clinics could continue performing abortions.

Keep in mind that the Texas law has the stipulation that if a screwed up judge grants a TRO and allows abortions, and you get one, and then the TRO gets overturned like what happened here, you are still guilty of a crime. So I doubt anyone ran out and got one that fell under that law.

That pretty much ended when a woman decided a couple of months ago to get an abortion anyway, was arrested, then her husband found out she had an abortion without her telling him and divorced her. (I'm gonna guess the child wasnt his.)

Nice little butt-kicked clause.

Looks like there are some non-pp abortion clinics in Texas that went ahead and performed abortions during the TRO, and are now facing criminal prosecution. The guy below lays it out in a series of tweets, you can click on the tweet and read his thread on it. But basically, even though most of these clinics are in areas controlled by democratic AG's, the state can still confer charges on these areas if the local AG does not.

And apparently Utah has a similar "no immunity during a TRO" clause.

How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world on abortion rights

Note the legend. The way it's designed is very misleading.

Red - prohibited, i.e. no abortion
Yellow - to save the life of the mother
Light Yellow - to preserve health

These 3 categories make up a large part of the world geographically.

We also know these 3 categories account for an incredibly small percentage of abortions.

Light Blue - Social or financial needs, i.e. because I want to
Teal - On demand, i.e. because I want to

These 2 categories also make up a large part of the world geographically.

But what the legend does NOT tell you is that gestational limits are in place.

So all of the teal area looks like lots of places allow abortion without limits. But when you start looking into it, you find



When I clicked on a different link I found it very interesting that the PBS article above actually came from the Council on Foreign Relations. PBS is just an echo chamber for the CFR.

Abortion Law: Global Comparisons

Anyway, digging into the teal -- abortion because I want it -- category, we can see that not all nations are the same when it comes to unfettered abortion.


The United States Is Radical On Abortion When Compared To Other Countries

Quote:In 2017, a Washington Post report fact-checked the claim that the U.S. is “one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy,’” finding the statement to be “surprisingly” true.

Link to WashPo article later.

Quote:he Post pointed to a 2014 report by the pro-life Charlotte Lozier Institute that examined “198 countries, independent states, and semi-autonomous regions” with populations of over 1 million people. The group found that of these areas, 59 permit abortion on demand. The other 139 countries mandate “some reason” to get an abortion.

When compared to the other 58 countries, the U.S. is one of only seven nations that allows “elective abortion” past the 20-week mark. Supreme Court precedent established that states must allow abortion up to the point of fetal viability, which is typically around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The SCOTUS had previously said states must allow baby killing up to 24 weeks and even later.

So there you have it of all the nations on the planet the U.S. was one of 59 which had the most horrific baby killing laws in effect.

And to break down those 59 by gestational limits:

59 Nations Allowing Elective Abortion

• 9 - up to but not including 12th week of gestation
• 36 - up to and including 12th week of gestation
• 6 - varying limits between 12 and 20 weeks of gestation
• 7 - varying limits past 20 weeks of gestation
  

Quote:Out of the 59 countries that allow elective abortion, nine of them limit it before the 12th week of gestation, while 36 restrict it at 12 weeks. Six countries limit it between 12 and 20 weeks gestation.

Quote:Only seven countries allow elective abortion to take place past 20 weeks, and the United States is one of them. The U.S., which determines restrictions based on viability, is in the company of Canada, China, Vietnam, and North Korea — all of which have no legal restriction on abortion. The Netherlands and Singapore limit abortion at 24 weeks.

Quote:Throughout the world, there are 77 nations that entirely ban abortion or only permit it when a woman is physically in danger, per the FRC. Only three European countries permit abortion after 14 weeks, which is even more restrictive than the law at issue in the Supreme Court case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. The case centers on an abortion ban in Mississippi that outlaws the procedure after 15 weeks of pregnancy.

The US is one of the 7 nations with the most egregious baby killing laws. The company we keep?

• Canada
• China
• Vietnam
• North Korea
• The Netherlands
• Singapore
  

That's it. We led the world when it comes to killing babies.

Oh, and the WashPo fact checker article...

Is the United States one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy?’


So, to counter that image from the CFR which manipulates the message here's another image that paints a truer picture.

Notice that BY FAR the vast majority of nations on earth have much more restrictive abortion laws than the U.S.



How many Pinocchios did it get?

Quote:The Pinocchio Test
This statistic seemed dubious at first, because it seemed extreme for just seven countries out of 198 to allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. But upon further digging, the data back up the claim.

None. Instead, it got the Geppetto Checkmark.

Quote:We award the elusive Geppetto Checkmark when a factoid surprisingly turns out to be true, as in this case.

So there you have.

Libs, you can stop with the propaganda talking points. They simply don't hold up to the facts.

(07-03-2022 01:12 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world on abortion rights

Note the legend. The way it's designed is very misleading.

Red - prohibited, i.e. no abortion
Yellow - to save the life of the mother
Light Yellow - to preserve health

These 3 categories make up a large part of the world geographically.

We also know these 3 categories account for an incredibly small percentage of abortions.

Light Blue - Social or financial needs, i.e. because I want to
Teal - On demand, i.e. because I want to

These 2 categories also make up a large part of the world geographically.

But what the legend does NOT tell you is that gestational limits are in place.

So all of the teal area looks like lots of places allow abortion without limits. But when you start looking into it, you find



When I clicked on a different link I found it very interesting that the PBS article above actually came from the Council on Foreign Relations. PBS is just an echo chamber for the CFR.

Abortion Law: Global Comparisons

Anyway, digging into the teal -- abortion because I want it -- category, we can see that not all nations are the same when it comes to unfettered abortion.


The United States Is Radical On Abortion When Compared To Other Countries

Quote:In 2017, a Washington Post report fact-checked the claim that the U.S. is “one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy,’” finding the statement to be “surprisingly” true.

Link to WashPo article later.

Quote:he Post pointed to a 2014 report by the pro-life Charlotte Lozier Institute that examined “198 countries, independent states, and semi-autonomous regions” with populations of over 1 million people. The group found that of these areas, 59 permit abortion on demand. The other 139 countries mandate “some reason” to get an abortion.

When compared to the other 58 countries, the U.S. is one of only seven nations that allows “elective abortion” past the 20-week mark. Supreme Court precedent established that states must allow abortion up to the point of fetal viability, which is typically around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The SCOTUS had previously said states must allow baby killing up to 24 weeks and even later.

So there you have it of all the nations on the planet the U.S. was one of 59 which had the most horrific baby killing laws in effect.

And to break down those 59 by gestational limits:

59 Nations Allowing Elective Abortion

• 9 - up to but not including 12th week of gestation
• 36 - up to and including 12th week of gestation
• 6 - varying limits between 12 and 20 weeks of gestation
• 7 - varying limits past 20 weeks of gestation
  

Quote:Out of the 59 countries that allow elective abortion, nine of them limit it before the 12th week of gestation, while 36 restrict it at 12 weeks. Six countries limit it between 12 and 20 weeks gestation.

Quote:Only seven countries allow elective abortion to take place past 20 weeks, and the United States is one of them. The U.S., which determines restrictions based on viability, is in the company of Canada, China, Vietnam, and North Korea — all of which have no legal restriction on abortion. The Netherlands and Singapore limit abortion at 24 weeks.

Quote:Throughout the world, there are 77 nations that entirely ban abortion or only permit it when a woman is physically in danger, per the FRC. Only three European countries permit abortion after 14 weeks, which is even more restrictive than the law at issue in the Supreme Court case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. The case centers on an abortion ban in Mississippi that outlaws the procedure after 15 weeks of pregnancy.

The US is one of the 7 nations with the most egregious baby killing laws. The company we keep?

• Canada
• China
• Vietnam
• North Korea
• The Netherlands
• Singapore
  

That's it. We led the world when it comes to killing babies.

Oh, and the WashPo fact checker article...

Is the United States one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy?’


So, to counter that image from the CFR which manipulates the message here's another image that paints a truer picture.

Notice that BY FAR the vast majority of nations on earth have much more restrictive abortion laws than the U.S.



How many Pinocchios did it get?

Quote:The Pinocchio Test
This statistic seemed dubious at first, because it seemed extreme for just seven countries out of 198 to allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. But upon further digging, the data back up the claim.

None. Instead, it got the Geppetto Checkmark.

Quote:We award the elusive Geppetto Checkmark when a factoid surprisingly turns out to be true, as in this case.

So there you have.

Libs, you can stop with the propaganda talking points. They simply don't hold up to the facts.

So, the WaPo was "surprised" to find out the truth on limits on abortion? It simply means they remained hoodwinked for a very long time. For years, people have been saying the US is in the minority with China and NK on unfettered abortions, where most of the world was not.

How about doing some constant journalism, WaPo. Maybe next time you wont be surprised by the truth that was sitting right under your nose all along, and you wont keep getting hoodwinked by leftist propaganda.

So far everything the left says about abortion is a lie.

Women will die from illegal and unsafe abortions like they did before Roe v Wade.

Women will die during childbirth because they don't have access to abortion.

The U.S. is way too restrictive on abortion rights and needs to catch up to the rest of the world.

Every single argument they make is a lie.

(07-03-2022 05:30 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  So far everything the left says about abortion is a lie.

Women will die from illegal and unsafe abortions like they did before Roe v Wade.

Women will die during childbirth because they don't have access to abortion.

The U.S. is way too restrictive on abortion rights and needs to catch up to the rest of the world.

Every single argument they make is a lie.

It's just what they do on every single issue. They lie when the truth is painfully obvious.

(07-03-2022 01:12 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world on abortion rights

Note the legend. The way it's designed is very misleading.

Red - prohibited, i.e. no abortion
Yellow - to save the life of the mother
Light Yellow - to preserve health

These 3 categories make up a large part of the world geographically.

We also know these 3 categories account for an incredibly small percentage of abortions.

Light Blue - Social or financial needs, i.e. because I want to
Teal - On demand, i.e. because I want to

These 2 categories also make up a large part of the world geographically.

But what the legend does NOT tell you is that gestational limits are in place.

So all of the teal area looks like lots of places allow abortion without limits. But when you start looking into it, you find



When I clicked on a different link I found it very interesting that the PBS article above actually came from the Council on Foreign Relations. PBS is just an echo chamber for the CFR.

Abortion Law: Global Comparisons

Anyway, digging into the teal -- abortion because I want it -- category, we can see that not all nations are the same when it comes to unfettered abortion.


The United States Is Radical On Abortion When Compared To Other Countries

Quote:In 2017, a Washington Post report fact-checked the claim that the U.S. is “one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy,’” finding the statement to be “surprisingly” true.

Link to WashPo article later.

Quote:he Post pointed to a 2014 report by the pro-life Charlotte Lozier Institute that examined “198 countries, independent states, and semi-autonomous regions” with populations of over 1 million people. The group found that of these areas, 59 permit abortion on demand. The other 139 countries mandate “some reason” to get an abortion.

When compared to the other 58 countries, the U.S. is one of only seven nations that allows “elective abortion” past the 20-week mark. Supreme Court precedent established that states must allow abortion up to the point of fetal viability, which is typically around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The SCOTUS had previously said states must allow baby killing up to 24 weeks and even later.

So there you have it of all the nations on the planet the U.S. was one of 59 which had the most horrific baby killing laws in effect.

And to break down those 59 by gestational limits:

59 Nations Allowing Elective Abortion

• 9 - up to but not including 12th week of gestation
• 36 - up to and including 12th week of gestation
• 6 - varying limits between 12 and 20 weeks of gestation
• 7 - varying limits past 20 weeks of gestation
  

Quote:Out of the 59 countries that allow elective abortion, nine of them limit it before the 12th week of gestation, while 36 restrict it at 12 weeks. Six countries limit it between 12 and 20 weeks gestation.

Quote:Only seven countries allow elective abortion to take place past 20 weeks, and the United States is one of them. The U.S., which determines restrictions based on viability, is in the company of Canada, China, Vietnam, and North Korea — all of which have no legal restriction on abortion. The Netherlands and Singapore limit abortion at 24 weeks.

Quote:Throughout the world, there are 77 nations that entirely ban abortion or only permit it when a woman is physically in danger, per the FRC. Only three European countries permit abortion after 14 weeks, which is even more restrictive than the law at issue in the Supreme Court case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. The case centers on an abortion ban in Mississippi that outlaws the procedure after 15 weeks of pregnancy.

The US is one of the 7 nations with the most egregious baby killing laws. The company we keep?

• Canada
• China
• Vietnam
• North Korea
• The Netherlands
• Singapore
  

That's it. We led the world when it comes to killing babies.

Oh, and the WashPo fact checker article...

Is the United States one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy?’


So, to counter that image from the CFR which manipulates the message here's another image that paints a truer picture.

Notice that BY FAR the vast majority of nations on earth have much more restrictive abortion laws than the U.S.



How many Pinocchios did it get?

Quote:The Pinocchio Test
This statistic seemed dubious at first, because it seemed extreme for just seven countries out of 198 to allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. But upon further digging, the data back up the claim.

None. Instead, it got the Geppetto Checkmark.

Quote:We award the elusive Geppetto Checkmark when a factoid surprisingly turns out to be true, as in this case.

So there you have.

Libs, you can stop with the propaganda talking points. They simply don't hold up to the facts.

You spent all that time trying to deflect from the fact that Republicans want to ban abortion at fertilization which would put us as one of the most restrictive in the world. Regardless, the fact remains that whether abortion is legal or not doesn't stop the reality of the situation that more than 1 out of every 10 women will have a self-induced abortion in their lifetime. The real question is whether as a society we want to live in denial of it at the expense of oppressing women.

Scorpius, stop. Just stop. Did you miss the lines that were bolded in blue & red?

(07-03-2022 08:52 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 01:12 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world on abortion rights

Note the legend. The way it's designed is very misleading.

Red - prohibited, i.e. no abortion
Yellow - to save the life of the mother
Light Yellow - to preserve health

These 3 categories make up a large part of the world geographically.

We also know these 3 categories account for an incredibly small percentage of abortions.

Light Blue - Social or financial needs, i.e. because I want to
Teal - On demand, i.e. because I want to

These 2 categories also make up a large part of the world geographically.

But what the legend does NOT tell you is that gestational limits are in place.

So all of the teal area looks like lots of places allow abortion without limits. But when you start looking into it, you find



When I clicked on a different link I found it very interesting that the PBS article above actually came from the Council on Foreign Relations. PBS is just an echo chamber for the CFR.

Abortion Law: Global Comparisons

Anyway, digging into the teal -- abortion because I want it -- category, we can see that not all nations are the same when it comes to unfettered abortion.


The United States Is Radical On Abortion When Compared To Other Countries

Quote:In 2017, a Washington Post report fact-checked the claim that the U.S. is “one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy,’” finding the statement to be “surprisingly” true.

Link to WashPo article later.

Quote:he Post pointed to a 2014 report by the pro-life Charlotte Lozier Institute that examined “198 countries, independent states, and semi-autonomous regions” with populations of over 1 million people. The group found that of these areas, 59 permit abortion on demand. The other 139 countries mandate “some reason” to get an abortion.

When compared to the other 58 countries, the U.S. is one of only seven nations that allows “elective abortion” past the 20-week mark. Supreme Court precedent established that states must allow abortion up to the point of fetal viability, which is typically around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The SCOTUS had previously said states must allow baby killing up to 24 weeks and even later.

So there you have it of all the nations on the planet the U.S. was one of 59 which had the most horrific baby killing laws in effect.

And to break down those 59 by gestational limits:

59 Nations Allowing Elective Abortion

• 9 - up to but not including 12th week of gestation
• 36 - up to and including 12th week of gestation
• 6 - varying limits between 12 and 20 weeks of gestation
• 7 - varying limits past 20 weeks of gestation
  

Quote:Out of the 59 countries that allow elective abortion, nine of them limit it before the 12th week of gestation, while 36 restrict it at 12 weeks. Six countries limit it between 12 and 20 weeks gestation.

Quote:Only seven countries allow elective abortion to take place past 20 weeks, and the United States is one of them. The U.S., which determines restrictions based on viability, is in the company of Canada, China, Vietnam, and North Korea — all of which have no legal restriction on abortion. The Netherlands and Singapore limit abortion at 24 weeks.

Quote:Throughout the world, there are 77 nations that entirely ban abortion or only permit it when a woman is physically in danger, per the FRC. Only three European countries permit abortion after 14 weeks, which is even more restrictive than the law at issue in the Supreme Court case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. The case centers on an abortion ban in Mississippi that outlaws the procedure after 15 weeks of pregnancy.

The US is one of the 7 nations with the most egregious baby killing laws. The company we keep?

• Canada
• China
• Vietnam
• North Korea
• The Netherlands
• Singapore
  

That's it. We led the world when it comes to killing babies.

Oh, and the WashPo fact checker article...

Is the United States one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy?’


So, to counter that image from the CFR which manipulates the message here's another image that paints a truer picture.

Notice that BY FAR the vast majority of nations on earth have much more restrictive abortion laws than the U.S.



How many Pinocchios did it get?

Quote:The Pinocchio Test
This statistic seemed dubious at first, because it seemed extreme for just seven countries out of 198 to allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. But upon further digging, the data back up the claim.

None. Instead, it got the Geppetto Checkmark.

Quote:We award the elusive Geppetto Checkmark when a factoid surprisingly turns out to be true, as in this case.

So there you have.

Libs, you can stop with the propaganda talking points. They simply don't hold up to the facts.

You spent all that time trying to deflect from the fact that Republicans want to ban abortion at fertilization which would put us as one of the most restrictive in the world. Regardless, the fact remains that whether abortion is legal or not doesn't stop the reality of the situation that more than 1 out of every 10 women will have a self-induced abortion in their lifetime. The real question is whether as a society we want to live in denial of it at the expense of oppressing women.

Seriously? Are you intentionally avoiding reading the actual ruling or are you intentionally gas-lighting?

You know very well the ruling simply says that abortion is not a federal issue but a state issue.

So instead of 1 national abortion law we'll have 50 abortion laws.

Some states will let you kill babies all the way up to birth while others will say nope, no baby killing here. Others will have rules that decide when you can and can't kill babies.

Doesn't seem like women are being oppressed. More like babies are the ones being oppressed -- to death.

When it comes to the family of birth control medications there are two types:

1. Contraceptives which prevent contraception from happening
2. Abortifacients which initiate an abortion process after contraception has taken place
   

Tate Reeves, governor of Mississippi, has given warning to doctors...

Prescribe abortion medication and loose your medical license.

Mississippi Governor Warns Doctors Will Lose License For Prescribing Medication Abortions

Quote:On Sunday, the Republican Governor of Mississippi, Tate Reeves, said that doctors in the state would lose their medical licenses for prescribing abortion pills after a new law takes effect on August 1.

The percentage of abortions via abortifacients?

Quote:The Guttmacher Institute reported that medication abortion accounted for 54% of US abortions by 2020.

Quote:“If a physician is practicing medicine in the state of Mississippi, they have to have a license to do so and if abortion is illegal in our state, which it is, then those medicines will not be allowed and they will not have a license to practice in our state,” Reeves said.

He noted that any doctors practicing medicine in the state “whether it’s through telemedicine or otherwise” was going to be held to the “standards of care that we require in our state.” He further said those standards were also “based upon state law.”

Quote:Reeves was asked about a proposed measure to allow the state’s strict abortion laws to make an exception for cases such as rape.

“I don’t believe that an exception for rape will make it through the Mississippi legislature and make it to my desk,” he responded.

And it doesn't end with Mississippi...

Quote:Mississippi is not the only state making new laws regarding abortion pills.

Louisiana’s Governor John Bel Edwards signed a bill in June that makes mailing abortion pills a crime in his state. SB 388 prohibits “criminal abortion by means of the use of an abortion-inducing drug without the prescribing physician being physically present during the administration of the drug,” including a $1,000 fine and a maximum of six months in prison.

South Dakota Republican Governor Kristi Noem signed a bill to ban telemedicine abortion in March. HB 1318 prohibits “medical abortion by telemedicine and … increase the penalty for the unlicensed practice of medicine when performing a medical abortion.” Like Lousiana’s law, the person prescribing the medication must be present with the patient.

(07-03-2022 08:52 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 01:12 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world on abortion rights

Note the legend. The way it's designed is very misleading.

Red - prohibited, i.e. no abortion
Yellow - to save the life of the mother
Light Yellow - to preserve health

These 3 categories make up a large part of the world geographically.

We also know these 3 categories account for an incredibly small percentage of abortions.

Light Blue - Social or financial needs, i.e. because I want to
Teal - On demand, i.e. because I want to

These 2 categories also make up a large part of the world geographically.

But what the legend does NOT tell you is that gestational limits are in place.

So all of the teal area looks like lots of places allow abortion without limits. But when you start looking into it, you find



When I clicked on a different link I found it very interesting that the PBS article above actually came from the Council on Foreign Relations. PBS is just an echo chamber for the CFR.

Abortion Law: Global Comparisons

Anyway, digging into the teal -- abortion because I want it -- category, we can see that not all nations are the same when it comes to unfettered abortion.


The United States Is Radical On Abortion When Compared To Other Countries

Quote:In 2017, a Washington Post report fact-checked the claim that the U.S. is “one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy,’” finding the statement to be “surprisingly” true.

Link to WashPo article later.

Quote:he Post pointed to a 2014 report by the pro-life Charlotte Lozier Institute that examined “198 countries, independent states, and semi-autonomous regions” with populations of over 1 million people. The group found that of these areas, 59 permit abortion on demand. The other 139 countries mandate “some reason” to get an abortion.

When compared to the other 58 countries, the U.S. is one of only seven nations that allows “elective abortion” past the 20-week mark. Supreme Court precedent established that states must allow abortion up to the point of fetal viability, which is typically around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The SCOTUS had previously said states must allow baby killing up to 24 weeks and even later.

So there you have it of all the nations on the planet the U.S. was one of 59 which had the most horrific baby killing laws in effect.

And to break down those 59 by gestational limits:

59 Nations Allowing Elective Abortion

• 9 - up to but not including 12th week of gestation
• 36 - up to and including 12th week of gestation
• 6 - varying limits between 12 and 20 weeks of gestation
• 7 - varying limits past 20 weeks of gestation
  

Quote:Out of the 59 countries that allow elective abortion, nine of them limit it before the 12th week of gestation, while 36 restrict it at 12 weeks. Six countries limit it between 12 and 20 weeks gestation.

Quote:Only seven countries allow elective abortion to take place past 20 weeks, and the United States is one of them. The U.S., which determines restrictions based on viability, is in the company of Canada, China, Vietnam, and North Korea — all of which have no legal restriction on abortion. The Netherlands and Singapore limit abortion at 24 weeks.

Quote:Throughout the world, there are 77 nations that entirely ban abortion or only permit it when a woman is physically in danger, per the FRC. Only three European countries permit abortion after 14 weeks, which is even more restrictive than the law at issue in the Supreme Court case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. The case centers on an abortion ban in Mississippi that outlaws the procedure after 15 weeks of pregnancy.

The US is one of the 7 nations with the most egregious baby killing laws. The company we keep?

• Canada
• China
• Vietnam
• North Korea
• The Netherlands
• Singapore
  

That's it. We led the world when it comes to killing babies.

Oh, and the WashPo fact checker article...

Is the United States one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy?’


So, to counter that image from the CFR which manipulates the message here's another image that paints a truer picture.

Notice that BY FAR the vast majority of nations on earth have much more restrictive abortion laws than the U.S.



How many Pinocchios did it get?

Quote:The Pinocchio Test
This statistic seemed dubious at first, because it seemed extreme for just seven countries out of 198 to allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. But upon further digging, the data back up the claim.

None. Instead, it got the Geppetto Checkmark.

Quote:We award the elusive Geppetto Checkmark when a factoid surprisingly turns out to be true, as in this case.

So there you have.

Libs, you can stop with the propaganda talking points. They simply don't hold up to the facts.

You spent all that time trying to deflect from the fact that Republicans want to ban abortion at fertilization which would put us as one of the most restrictive in the world. Regardless, the fact remains that whether abortion is legal or not doesn't stop the reality of the situation that more than 1 out of every 10 women will have a self-induced abortion in their lifetime. The real question is whether as a society we want to live in denial of it at the expense of oppressing women.

Scorp, simple solution for all pro abortion advocates just go get neutered and spayed! Mystery solved!!!! Wow, how hard is that. Then you have no worries of ever fathering a child or if a woman conceiving a child to be aborted.

Taxpayers wouldn’t be on the hook multiple times either. So, just like the vaccine provide the services at Taxpayers expense. Cheaper in the long run.

Pro-Life activists advocating to "choose adoption" have never adopted any children
https://youtube.com/shorts/d-FBQIPEvb4?feature=share

(07-04-2022 02:22 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Pro-Life activists advocating to "choose adoption" have never adopted any children
https://youtube.com/shorts/d-FBQIPEvb4?feature=share

Absolute lie.


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(07-04-2022 02:22 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Pro-Life activists advocating to "choose adoption" have never adopted any children
https://youtube.com/shorts/d-FBQIPEvb4?feature=share

Interestingly, many pro-abortion supporters have never aborted a baby. Also surprisingly, many supporters of gay marriage have never married another gay person. And this will blow your mind, many supporters of cancelling student debt, have no student debt. It's just crazy out there.

(07-04-2022 02:22 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Pro-Life activists advocating to "choose adoption" have never adopted any children
https://youtube.com/shorts/d-FBQIPEvb4?feature=share

There are more than 2,000,000 (yeah, it's a big number -- 2 million) couples each year on the adoption waiting list.

Why are they on a waiting list? It's not because they like to run thru hoops.

How many babies are killed each year via abortion? As we learned earlier in this thread, approximately 1,250,000 each year average over the past 49 years.

For those who need help with math:

2,000,000 > 1,250,000


My wife and I are pro-life. We've never adopted.

My sister and her husband are pro-life. They adopted both of their kids.

(07-04-2022 02:28 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 02:22 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Pro-Life activists advocating to "choose adoption" have never adopted any children
https://youtube.com/shorts/d-FBQIPEvb4?feature=share

Interestingly, many pro-abortion supporters have never aborted a baby. Also surprisingly, many supporters of gay marriage have never married another gay person. And this will blow your mind, many supporters of cancelling student debt, have no student debt. It's just crazy out there.

Brilliant!

+3, my friend.

(07-04-2022 02:22 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Pro-Life activists advocating to "choose adoption" have never adopted any children
https://youtube.com/shorts/d-FBQIPEvb4?feature=share

Pray tell Boy Wonder who does adopt these children? I’m sure it’s abortion advocates! Right?!?!

Nah, most likely those Planned Parenthood center workers!! Right?!?! Nah, they just want the fetuses for their organs and body parts to sell for profit they are of no use being alive.

Contradiction much?

Your ideology is as disgusting as the rotting fetuses improperly disposed of.

Can I make it any more clear that murder is sin no matter how you attempt to justify it? This is a one way road to hell

(07-03-2022 11:48 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 08:52 PM)scorpius Wrote:  You spent all that time trying to deflect from the fact that Republicans want to ban abortion at fertilization which would put us as one of the most restrictive in the world. Regardless, the fact remains that whether abortion is legal or not doesn't stop the reality of the situation that more than 1 out of every 10 women will have a self-induced abortion in their lifetime. The real question is whether as a society we want to live in denial of it at the expense of oppressing women.

Seriously? Are you intentionally avoiding reading the actual ruling or are you intentionally gas-lighting?

You know very well the ruling simply says that abortion is not a federal issue but a state issue.

So instead of 1 national abortion law we'll have 50 abortion laws.

The Guardian Council ruling that states are allowed to be the among the most oppressive in the world to women on the issue of abortion just because it is a "tradition" as defined by the guy who promoted witch trials in the UK hundreds of years ago and thus doesn't apply to the 14th amendment is VERY much a problem. And not just on the issue of abortion, but on a whole host of other issues due to the precedent it sets.

(07-04-2022 11:42 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

Quote:“If a physician is practicing medicine in the state of Mississippi, they have to have a license to do so and if abortion is illegal in our state, which it is, then those medicines will not be allowed and they will not have a license to practice in our state,” Reeves said.

He noted that any doctors practicing medicine in the state “whether it’s through telemedicine or otherwise” was going to be held to the “standards of care that we require in our state.” He further said those standards were also “based upon state law.”

Quote:Reeves was asked about a proposed measure to allow the state’s strict abortion laws to make an exception for cases such as rape.

“I don’t believe that an exception for rape will make it through the Mississippi legislature and make it to my desk,” he responded.

And it doesn't end with Mississippi...

Quote:Mississippi is not the only state making new laws regarding abortion pills.

Louisiana’s Governor John Bel Edwards signed a bill in June that makes mailing abortion pills a crime in his state. SB 388 prohibits “criminal abortion by means of the use of an abortion-inducing drug without the prescribing physician being physically present during the administration of the drug,” including a $1,000 fine and a maximum of six months in prison.

South Dakota Republican Governor Kristi Noem signed a bill to ban telemedicine abortion in March. HB 1318 prohibits “medical abortion by telemedicine and … increase the penalty for the unlicensed practice of medicine when performing a medical abortion.” Like Lousiana’s law, the person prescribing the medication must be present with the patient.

Okay? We know that in Iran and quite frankly every other country that has banned abortion pills have not been able to stop an estimated greater than 1 in 10 women still having a self-induced abortion. These pills still get on the streets the same way illegal drugs are always on the streets.

So what are they going to do? Fine the women who order the pills online from foreign doctors? Throw the women in jail? Let them die in hospitals in the rare instances of when the self-induced miscarriage goes wrong? This is what happened in Ireland and many other places and changes the public's perception of abortion. It gets legalized when they start punishing women and letting women die in hospitals. It goes over like a lead balloon with the public. It either gets legalized or they just start not enforcing the law except to use it as discrimination like typically happens on ridiculous vice crimes. Either way, the abortions are going to continue. Only difference is do we want to oppress along side it and worry about what our "maker" will think on our day of reckoning.

(07-04-2022 02:28 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 02:22 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Pro-Life activists advocating to "choose adoption" have never adopted any children
https://youtube.com/shorts/d-FBQIPEvb4?feature=share

Interestingly, many pro-abortion supporters have never aborted a baby. Also surprisingly, many supporters of gay marriage have never married another gay person. And this will blow your mind, many supporters of cancelling student debt, have no student debt. It's just crazy out there.

Amazing how it's "surprising" to some people that others actually support a non-oppressive society. Now I admit canceling student debt doesn't belong in this list, but in some instances it can arguably be included.

(06-27-2022 08:56 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 08:45 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
There is a lot more evidence for what I’m stating than the boogie man that Dems are taking your guns. This “sound constitutional decision” by the other justices claims that the other court cases held up on the same “right to privacy” aren’t at risk, except Thomas who admits the truth that if you hold this logic as truth then a number of cases should be overturned, including Loving. Now of course Thomas will let Loving slide because this isn’t about sound principle it’s about what impacts him and his personal belief. There’s zero reason to name check those other three cases but leave off Loving.

In your fantasy world, sure. I image you see its not only possible but just around the corner. But again you have a strong need for that fantasy, a need to wrap yourself in that blanket for warmth and comfort right now. This is what politics does to people those, it blinds them and makes them delusional.

You don't even seem to grasp that it not only has to pass all 3 one party branches, it has to be held up when the pendulum swings back to the other part the next cycle.

Your party is the one who thinks republicans are all racist white men, and demographics are about to make us a minority party forever.

Now suddenly we are going to take the House, Senate and WH and hold them from now on in some kind of ultra conservative super majority?



This stuff is looney tunes.

(07-03-2022 11:48 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 08:52 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 01:12 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world on abortion rights

Note the legend. The way it's designed is very misleading.

Red - prohibited, i.e. no abortion
Yellow - to save the life of the mother
Light Yellow - to preserve health

These 3 categories make up a large part of the world geographically.

We also know these 3 categories account for an incredibly small percentage of abortions.

Light Blue - Social or financial needs, i.e. because I want to
Teal - On demand, i.e. because I want to

These 2 categories also make up a large part of the world geographically.

But what the legend does NOT tell you is that gestational limits are in place.

So all of the teal area looks like lots of places allow abortion without limits. But when you start looking into it, you find



When I clicked on a different link I found it very interesting that the PBS article above actually came from the Council on Foreign Relations. PBS is just an echo chamber for the CFR.

Abortion Law: Global Comparisons

Anyway, digging into the teal -- abortion because I want it -- category, we can see that not all nations are the same when it comes to unfettered abortion.


The United States Is Radical On Abortion When Compared To Other Countries

Quote:In 2017, a Washington Post report fact-checked the claim that the U.S. is “one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy,’” finding the statement to be “surprisingly” true.

Link to WashPo article later.

Quote:he Post pointed to a 2014 report by the pro-life Charlotte Lozier Institute that examined “198 countries, independent states, and semi-autonomous regions” with populations of over 1 million people. The group found that of these areas, 59 permit abortion on demand. The other 139 countries mandate “some reason” to get an abortion.

When compared to the other 58 countries, the U.S. is one of only seven nations that allows “elective abortion” past the 20-week mark. Supreme Court precedent established that states must allow abortion up to the point of fetal viability, which is typically around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The SCOTUS had previously said states must allow baby killing up to 24 weeks and even later.

So there you have it of all the nations on the planet the U.S. was one of 59 which had the most horrific baby killing laws in effect.

And to break down those 59 by gestational limits:

59 Nations Allowing Elective Abortion

• 9 - up to but not including 12th week of gestation
• 36 - up to and including 12th week of gestation
• 6 - varying limits between 12 and 20 weeks of gestation
• 7 - varying limits past 20 weeks of gestation
  

Quote:Out of the 59 countries that allow elective abortion, nine of them limit it before the 12th week of gestation, while 36 restrict it at 12 weeks. Six countries limit it between 12 and 20 weeks gestation.

Quote:Only seven countries allow elective abortion to take place past 20 weeks, and the United States is one of them. The U.S., which determines restrictions based on viability, is in the company of Canada, China, Vietnam, and North Korea — all of which have no legal restriction on abortion. The Netherlands and Singapore limit abortion at 24 weeks.

Quote:Throughout the world, there are 77 nations that entirely ban abortion or only permit it when a woman is physically in danger, per the FRC. Only three European countries permit abortion after 14 weeks, which is even more restrictive than the law at issue in the Supreme Court case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. The case centers on an abortion ban in Mississippi that outlaws the procedure after 15 weeks of pregnancy.

The US is one of the 7 nations with the most egregious baby killing laws. The company we keep?

• Canada
• China
• Vietnam
• North Korea
• The Netherlands
• Singapore
  

That's it. We led the world when it comes to killing babies.

Oh, and the WashPo fact checker article...

Is the United States one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy?’


So, to counter that image from the CFR which manipulates the message here's another image that paints a truer picture.

Notice that BY FAR the vast majority of nations on earth have much more restrictive abortion laws than the U.S.



How many Pinocchios did it get?

Quote:The Pinocchio Test
This statistic seemed dubious at first, because it seemed extreme for just seven countries out of 198 to allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. But upon further digging, the data back up the claim.

None. Instead, it got the Geppetto Checkmark.

Quote:We award the elusive Geppetto Checkmark when a factoid surprisingly turns out to be true, as in this case.

So there you have.

Libs, you can stop with the propaganda talking points. They simply don't hold up to the facts.

You spent all that time trying to deflect from the fact that Republicans want to ban abortion at fertilization which would put us as one of the most restrictive in the world. Regardless, the fact remains that whether abortion is legal or not doesn't stop the reality of the situation that more than 1 out of every 10 women will have a self-induced abortion in their lifetime. The real question is whether as a society we want to live in denial of it at the expense of oppressing women.

Seriously? Are you intentionally avoiding reading the actual ruling or are you intentionally gas-lighting?

You know very well the ruling simply says that abortion is not a federal issue but a state issue.

So instead of 1 national abortion law we'll have 50 abortion laws.

Some states will let you kill babies all the way up to birth while others will say nope, no baby killing here. Others will have rules that decide when you can and can't kill babies.

Doesn't seem like women are being oppressed. More like babies are the ones being oppressed -- to death.

And some states are trying to criminalize actions done in another state where the action is legal. Texas should have the legal authority to overrule the laws of California? I know no one here would agree with the opposite.

(07-05-2022 07:39 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 08:56 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 08:45 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
There is a lot more evidence for what I’m stating than the boogie man that Dems are taking your guns. This “sound constitutional decision” by the other justices claims that the other court cases held up on the same “right to privacy” aren’t at risk, except Thomas who admits the truth that if you hold this logic as truth then a number of cases should be overturned, including Loving. Now of course Thomas will let Loving slide because this isn’t about sound principle it’s about what impacts him and his personal belief. There’s zero reason to name check those other three cases but leave off Loving.

In your fantasy world, sure. I image you see its not only possible but just around the corner. But again you have a strong need for that fantasy, a need to wrap yourself in that blanket for warmth and comfort right now. This is what politics does to people those, it blinds them and makes them delusional.

You don't even seem to grasp that it not only has to pass all 3 one party branches, it has to be held up when the pendulum swings back to the other part the next cycle.

Your party is the one who thinks republicans are all racist white men, and demographics are about to make us a minority party forever.

Now suddenly we are going to take the House, Senate and WH and hold them from now on in some kind of ultra conservative super majority?



This stuff is looney tunes.

(07-03-2022 11:48 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 08:52 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 01:12 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  How the U.S. compares with the rest of the world on abortion rights

Note the legend. The way it's designed is very misleading.

Red - prohibited, i.e. no abortion
Yellow - to save the life of the mother
Light Yellow - to preserve health

These 3 categories make up a large part of the world geographically.

We also know these 3 categories account for an incredibly small percentage of abortions.

Light Blue - Social or financial needs, i.e. because I want to
Teal - On demand, i.e. because I want to

These 2 categories also make up a large part of the world geographically.

But what the legend does NOT tell you is that gestational limits are in place.

So all of the teal area looks like lots of places allow abortion without limits. But when you start looking into it, you find



When I clicked on a different link I found it very interesting that the PBS article above actually came from the Council on Foreign Relations. PBS is just an echo chamber for the CFR.

Abortion Law: Global Comparisons

Anyway, digging into the teal -- abortion because I want it -- category, we can see that not all nations are the same when it comes to unfettered abortion.


The United States Is Radical On Abortion When Compared To Other Countries

Quote:In 2017, a Washington Post report fact-checked the claim that the U.S. is “one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy,’” finding the statement to be “surprisingly” true.

Link to WashPo article later.

Quote:he Post pointed to a 2014 report by the pro-life Charlotte Lozier Institute that examined “198 countries, independent states, and semi-autonomous regions” with populations of over 1 million people. The group found that of these areas, 59 permit abortion on demand. The other 139 countries mandate “some reason” to get an abortion.

When compared to the other 58 countries, the U.S. is one of only seven nations that allows “elective abortion” past the 20-week mark. Supreme Court precedent established that states must allow abortion up to the point of fetal viability, which is typically around 24 weeks of pregnancy.

The SCOTUS had previously said states must allow baby killing up to 24 weeks and even later.

So there you have it of all the nations on the planet the U.S. was one of 59 which had the most horrific baby killing laws in effect.

And to break down those 59 by gestational limits:

59 Nations Allowing Elective Abortion

• 9 - up to but not including 12th week of gestation
• 36 - up to and including 12th week of gestation
• 6 - varying limits between 12 and 20 weeks of gestation
• 7 - varying limits past 20 weeks of gestation
  

Quote:Out of the 59 countries that allow elective abortion, nine of them limit it before the 12th week of gestation, while 36 restrict it at 12 weeks. Six countries limit it between 12 and 20 weeks gestation.

Quote:Only seven countries allow elective abortion to take place past 20 weeks, and the United States is one of them. The U.S., which determines restrictions based on viability, is in the company of Canada, China, Vietnam, and North Korea — all of which have no legal restriction on abortion. The Netherlands and Singapore limit abortion at 24 weeks.

Quote:Throughout the world, there are 77 nations that entirely ban abortion or only permit it when a woman is physically in danger, per the FRC. Only three European countries permit abortion after 14 weeks, which is even more restrictive than the law at issue in the Supreme Court case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization. The case centers on an abortion ban in Mississippi that outlaws the procedure after 15 weeks of pregnancy.

The US is one of the 7 nations with the most egregious baby killing laws. The company we keep?

• Canada
• China
• Vietnam
• North Korea
• The Netherlands
• Singapore
  

That's it. We led the world when it comes to killing babies.

Oh, and the WashPo fact checker article...

Is the United States one of seven countries that ‘allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy?’


So, to counter that image from the CFR which manipulates the message here's another image that paints a truer picture.

Notice that BY FAR the vast majority of nations on earth have much more restrictive abortion laws than the U.S.



How many Pinocchios did it get?

Quote:The Pinocchio Test
This statistic seemed dubious at first, because it seemed extreme for just seven countries out of 198 to allow elective abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. But upon further digging, the data back up the claim.

None. Instead, it got the Geppetto Checkmark.

Quote:We award the elusive Geppetto Checkmark when a factoid surprisingly turns out to be true, as in this case.

So there you have.

Libs, you can stop with the propaganda talking points. They simply don't hold up to the facts.

You spent all that time trying to deflect from the fact that Republicans want to ban abortion at fertilization which would put us as one of the most restrictive in the world. Regardless, the fact remains that whether abortion is legal or not doesn't stop the reality of the situation that more than 1 out of every 10 women will have a self-induced abortion in their lifetime. The real question is whether as a society we want to live in denial of it at the expense of oppressing women.

Seriously? Are you intentionally avoiding reading the actual ruling or are you intentionally gas-lighting?

You know very well the ruling simply says that abortion is not a federal issue but a state issue.

So instead of 1 national abortion law we'll have 50 abortion laws.

Some states will let you kill babies all the way up to birth while others will say nope, no baby killing here. Others will have rules that decide when you can and can't kill babies.

Doesn't seem like women are being oppressed. More like babies are the ones being oppressed -- to death.

And some states are trying to criminalize actions done in another state where the action is legal. Texas should have the legal authority to overrule the laws of California? I know no one here would agree with the opposite.

agreed … #contradictory overturning roe v. wade…

now, which states are attempting such? please be specific regarding exactly what they’re attempting to legislate…

w/o looking, I’ll assume it only involves ordering abortion pills across state lines … other than that, it’s a loser…

(07-05-2022 07:39 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  And some states are trying to criminalize actions done in another state where the action is legal. Texas should have the legal authority to overrule the laws of California? I know no one here would agree with the opposite.

If you have a 4 year old child that you no longer want, is it legal to take the child to a country that allows you to put them to death and then just show back up here as if nothing happened?