'Jim Phillips, now in his second year as the conference’s commissioner, said on Wednesday that generating more revenue [for the ACC] is “top of mind” for the league, which stands to be dwarfed in revenue by the SEC and Big Ten in the coming years.'

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It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

The revenue gap will be around $50 million per year per team.

Changes to divisions, # of games, all of it.......wouldn't do more than close that gap than by 1 to maybe 3 million. It's nice to try and work on. 10 years late....but it won't solve the revenue situation. A large portion of the conference doesn't care....a few might but are stuck.

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

ok mr. know-it-all ...
what’s their plan then ...

IN THE SAME BOAT

(05-12-2022 08:53 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

ok mr. know-it-all ...
what’s their plan then ...

IN THE SAME BOAT

No one has told me what their "plan" is, but plenty of people have told me what it is not. Joining a conference which is underpaid by $40 to $50 million is not in their plan - and I can't say I blame them. The ACC must fix its own problems, one way or another.

(05-12-2022 11:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:53 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

ok mr. know-it-all ...
what’s their plan then ...

IN THE SAME BOAT

No one has told me what their "plan" is, but plenty of people have told me what it is not. Joining a conference which is underpaid by $40 to $50 million is not in their plan - and I can't say I blame them. The ACC must fix its own problems, one way or another.

joining may result in renegotiation ...

HANGING OUT WITH THE WRONG CROWD

(05-12-2022 08:53 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

ok mr. know-it-all ...
what’s their plan then ...

IN THE SAME BOAT

1) Stay a football independent and keep sports other than hockey and football in the ACC.

2) Renew the NBC deal (or put its TV contract on the open market for the first time) in 2025 (not 2036 like ACC football schools) for a good bit more $$ than ACC schools get (factoring in the ACC partial share, the ACC Network full share, etc...).

3) Wait, as is, and see how things shake out with this conference realignment BS. Jack Swarbrick calls this "monitoring the landscape".

4) Avoid being further tied down with the ACC and keep options open as the ACC GOR ticks down (which doesn't cover ND home football games).

5) If the ACC implodes, join the Big Ten or SEC if a P2 universe results (yuck, but a better business decision than joining the ACC in football).

6) IF ND decides to "unilaterally disarm" and go the Tier 2 "academic route", be in a good position to stay independent with better negotiating leverage against the other "academic model" schools.


SHIP, NOT BOAT

P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

(05-12-2022 11:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:53 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

ok mr. know-it-all ...
what’s their plan then ...

IN THE SAME BOAT

No one has told me what their "plan" is, but plenty of people have told me what it is not. Joining a conference which is underpaid by $40 to $50 million is not in their plan - and I can't say I blame them. The ACC must fix its own problems, one way or another.

The truth of it is that the ACC revenue gap is not "fixable".

It would take ND, Texas and/or Penn State to all join in full to bridge that massive gap. The ACC is 0-3 there.

The current ACC is on borrowed time, existing only because the GOR cages the better football programs there.

(05-13-2022 05:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:53 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

ok mr. know-it-all ...
what’s their plan then ...

IN THE SAME BOAT

1) Stay a football independent and keep sports other than hockey and football in the ACC.

2) Renew the NBC deal (or put its TV contract on the open market for the first time) in 2025 (not 2036 like ACC football schools) for a good bit more $$ than ACC schools get (factoring in the ACC partial share, the ACC Network full share, etc...).

3) Wait, as is, and see how things shake out with this conference realignment BS. Jack Swarbrick calls this "monitoring the landscape".

4) Avoid being further tied down with the ACC and keep options open as the ACC GOR ticks down (which doesn't cover ND home football games).

5) If the ACC implodes, join the Big Ten or SEC if a P2 universe results (yuck, but a better business decision than joining the ACC in football).

6) IF ND decides to "unilaterally disarm" and go the Tier 2 "academic route", be in a good position to stay independent with better negotiating leverage against the other "academic model" schools.


SHIP, NOT BOAT

P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

we’ll abrogate the scheduling agreement ...
how much is that worth ...
scramble ...

TIT FOR TAT

(05-13-2022 05:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:53 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

ok mr. know-it-all ...
what’s their plan then ...

IN THE SAME BOAT

1) Stay a football independent and keep sports other than hockey and football in the ACC.

2) Renew the NBC deal (or put its TV contract on the open market for the first time) in 2025 (not 2036 like ACC football schools) for a good bit more $$ than ACC schools get (factoring in the ACC partial share, the ACC Network full share, etc...).

3) Wait, as is, and see how things shake out with this conference realignment BS. Jack Swarbrick calls this "monitoring the landscape".

4) Avoid being further tied down with the ACC and keep options open as the ACC GOR ticks down (which doesn't cover ND home football games).

5) If the ACC implodes, join the Big Ten or SEC if a P2 universe results (yuck, but a better business decision than joining the ACC in football).

6) IF ND decides to "unilaterally disarm" and go the Tier 2 "academic route", be in a good position to stay independent with better negotiating leverage against the other "academic model" schools.


SHIP, NOT BOAT

P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

https://twitter.com/ADavidHaleJoint/stat...9118625792

THE GIRL FROM IPANEMA GOES WALKING

At the end of the day, the only things that would significantly close the revenue gap are dramatically improved results on the football field accompanied by a change in the intensity of support for football among their teams' fans and potential fans. In the absence of the latter, the former is unlikely. In which case, learning to accept their place in the pecking order is the ACC's only real option, and changing conferences is the only option for the individual teams attractive enough to either the SEC or B1G or both.

(05-13-2022 05:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

(05-13-2022 05:46 AM)TerryD Wrote:  It would take ND, Texas and/or Penn State to all join in full to bridge that massive gap. The ACC is 0-3 there.

SCHIZOPHRENIC

Why is Notre Dame making so much noise now? They were never worried about the revenue gap before and chose to take less money from NBC to get OTA coverage for Notre Dame football.

What has changed?

Perhaps NBC isn't willing to pay the Irish what they think is competitive?
ESPN/ABC won't give ND the preferred time slots they are looking for because of the SEC contract?

Darn that GOR.

(05-13-2022 07:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  Why is Notre Dame making so much noise now? They were never worried about the revenue gap before and chose to take less money from NBC to get OTA coverage for Notre Dame football.

What has changed?

Perhaps NBC isn't willing to pay the Irish what they think is competitive?
ESPN/ABC won't give ND the preferred time slots they are looking for because of the SEC contract?

Darn that GOR.

Obviously we're trying to destabilize the conference

I think that is a joke,Jack is talking a lot though.

The ACC can't close the revenue gap with football.

The only way the equation changes is if (or maybe it's a matter of when) the rights to the basketball tourney gets ripped away from the NCAA (basically the death of the NCAA and we may be hearing the death rattle of the NCAA right now).

The NCAA pulled in $1.15 BILLION in 2021.

That's quite a bit of cheddar.

Even when compared to the current college football playoff ... which are described here:

Each of the 10 conferences received a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose, or Sugar bowls, the base combined with the full academic performance pool was approximately $57 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contacts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar bowls received approximately $83 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base). The conferences distribute these funds as they choose. Notre Dame received a payment of $2.5 million by meeting the APR standard; the other three independents shared $1.85 million.

Certain conferences in the Football Championship Subdivision received approximately $2.85 million in aggregate.


When basketball revenues are ripped free from the NCAA, the ACC will start to close that gap.

(05-13-2022 05:51 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 05:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:53 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

ok mr. know-it-all ...
what’s their plan then ...

IN THE SAME BOAT

1) Stay a football independent and keep sports other than hockey and football in the ACC.

2) Renew the NBC deal (or put its TV contract on the open market for the first time) in 2025 (not 2036 like ACC football schools) for a good bit more $$ than ACC schools get (factoring in the ACC partial share, the ACC Network full share, etc...).

3) Wait, as is, and see how things shake out with this conference realignment BS. Jack Swarbrick calls this "monitoring the landscape".

4) Avoid being further tied down with the ACC and keep options open as the ACC GOR ticks down (which doesn't cover ND home football games).

5) If the ACC implodes, join the Big Ten or SEC if a P2 universe results (yuck, but a better business decision than joining the ACC in football).

6) IF ND decides to "unilaterally disarm" and go the Tier 2 "academic route", be in a good position to stay independent with better negotiating leverage against the other "academic model" schools.


SHIP, NOT BOAT

P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

we’ll abrogate the scheduling agreement ...
how much is that worth ...
scramble ...

TIT FOR TAT

Lol, is that supposed to be some kind of scary threat?

Be my guest.

That may void every agreement ND has with the ACC, including the GOR.

That would help ND, not hurt it.

BY ALL MEANS

(05-13-2022 06:05 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 05:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:53 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

ok mr. know-it-all ...
what’s their plan then ...

IN THE SAME BOAT

1) Stay a football independent and keep sports other than hockey and football in the ACC.

2) Renew the NBC deal (or put its TV contract on the open market for the first time) in 2025 (not 2036 like ACC football schools) for a good bit more $$ than ACC schools get (factoring in the ACC partial share, the ACC Network full share, etc...).

3) Wait, as is, and see how things shake out with this conference realignment BS. Jack Swarbrick calls this "monitoring the landscape".

4) Avoid being further tied down with the ACC and keep options open as the ACC GOR ticks down (which doesn't cover ND home football games).

5) If the ACC implodes, join the Big Ten or SEC if a P2 universe results (yuck, but a better business decision than joining the ACC in football).

6) IF ND decides to "unilaterally disarm" and go the Tier 2 "academic route", be in a good position to stay independent with better negotiating leverage against the other "academic model" schools.


SHIP, NOT BOAT

P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

https://twitter.com/ADavidHaleJoint/stat...9118625792

THE GIRL FROM IPANEMA GOES WALKING

Next, Jim will sell you some swamp land.

HUCKSTER SALESMAN

(05-13-2022 06:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  At the end of the day, the only things that would significantly close the revenue gap are dramatically improved results on the football field accompanied by a change in the intensity of support for football among their teams' fans and potential fans. In the absence of the latter, the former is unlikely. In which case, learning to accept their place in the pecking order is the ACC's only real option, and changing conferences is the only option for the individual teams attractive enough to either the SEC or B1G or both.

Someone needs to explain how any of that forces ESPN to pay another nickel to the ACC.

They have the ACC over the barrel with a contract that stretches out 14 more years.

Absent adding Texas or Penn State or some other blue blood program, ESPN executives can just stare at Jim Phillips over the negotiating table and think about what they plan to order for lunch.

(05-13-2022 07:07 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 05:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

(05-13-2022 05:46 AM)TerryD Wrote:  It would take ND, Texas and/or Penn State to all join in full to bridge that massive gap. The ACC is 0-3 there.

SCHIZOPHRENIC

(05-13-2022 07:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  Why is Notre Dame making so much noise now? They were never worried about the revenue gap before and chose to take less money from NBC to get OTA coverage for Notre Dame football.

What has changed?

Perhaps NBC isn't willing to pay the Irish what they think is competitive?
ESPN/ABC won't give ND the preferred time slots they are looking for because of the SEC contract?

Darn that GOR.

The revenue gap was relative peanuts before Texas and Oklahoma moved to the SEC.

Now, if you are not in one of those two conferences in the near future, you are looking at about a $50 million a year shortfall (for 14 years regarding ACC schools).

Plus, you will be a second tier conference member, recruiting wise, exposure wise and otherwise.

ND looked at the former revenue gap as the price of independence.

Now? If ND has to join a conference, and have a $50 million a year revenue gap? A different story.

A seismic shift has occurred. Some fail to see it. Swarbrick does.