(05-13-2022 07:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 06:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  At the end of the day, the only things that would significantly close the revenue gap are dramatically improved results on the football field accompanied by a change in the intensity of support for football among their teams' fans and potential fans. In the absence of the latter, the former is unlikely. In which case, learning to accept their place in the pecking order is the ACC's only real option, and changing conferences is the only option for the individual teams attractive enough to either the SEC or B1G or both.

Someone needs to explain how any of that forces ESPN to pay another nickel to the ACC.

They have the ACC over the barrel with a contract that stretches out 14 more years.

Absent adding Texas or Penn State or some other blue blood program, ESPN executives can just stare at Jim Phillips over the negotiating table and think about what they plan to order for lunch.

Terry, you're a lawyer, so I'll ask you: is there any precedent the ACC could use to show that ESPN negotiated in bad faith with the ACC, as compared to the way they handled the SEC? Just curious what legal options there might be if they really do "just stare at Jim Phillips over the negotiating table..."

(05-13-2022 08:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 07:07 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 05:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

(05-13-2022 05:46 AM)TerryD Wrote:  It would take ND, Texas and/or Penn State to all join in full to bridge that massive gap. The ACC is 0-3 there.

SCHIZOPHRENIC

(05-13-2022 07:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  Why is Notre Dame making so much noise now? They were never worried about the revenue gap before and chose to take less money from NBC to get OTA coverage for Notre Dame football.

What has changed?

Perhaps NBC isn't willing to pay the Irish what they think is competitive?
ESPN/ABC won't give ND the preferred time slots they are looking for because of the SEC contract?

Darn that GOR.

The revenue gap was relative peanuts before Texas and Oklahoma moved to the SEC.

Now, if you are not in one of those two conferences in the near future, you are looking at about a $50 million a year shortfall (for 14 years regarding ACC schools).

Plus, you will be a second tier conference member, recruiting wise, exposure wise and otherwise.

ND looked at the former revenue gap as the price of independence.

Now? If ND has to join a conference, and have a $50 million a year revenue gap? A different story.

A seismic shift has occurred. Some fail to see it. Swarbrick does.

What a shame that Notre Dame is stuck with the ACC until 2036.

(05-13-2022 09:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 08:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 07:07 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 05:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

(05-13-2022 05:46 AM)TerryD Wrote:  It would take ND, Texas and/or Penn State to all join in full to bridge that massive gap. The ACC is 0-3 there.

SCHIZOPHRENIC

(05-13-2022 07:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  Why is Notre Dame making so much noise now? They were never worried about the revenue gap before and chose to take less money from NBC to get OTA coverage for Notre Dame football.

What has changed?

Perhaps NBC isn't willing to pay the Irish what they think is competitive?
ESPN/ABC won't give ND the preferred time slots they are looking for because of the SEC contract?

Darn that GOR.

The revenue gap was relative peanuts before Texas and Oklahoma moved to the SEC.

Now, if you are not in one of those two conferences in the near future, you are looking at about a $50 million a year shortfall (for 14 years regarding ACC schools).

Plus, you will be a second tier conference member, recruiting wise, exposure wise and otherwise.

ND looked at the former revenue gap as the price of independence.

Now? If ND has to join a conference, and have a $50 million a year revenue gap? A different story.

A seismic shift has occurred. Some fail to see it. Swarbrick does.

What a shame that Notre Dame is stuck with the ACC until 2036.

If we keep shaking the tree and kicking up dust maybe y'all will kick us out. It would be best for both parties, I want off the Titanic.

(05-13-2022 07:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 05:51 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 05:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:53 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

ok mr. know-it-all ...
what’s their plan then ...

IN THE SAME BOAT

1) Stay a football independent and keep sports other than hockey and football in the ACC.

2) Renew the NBC deal (or put its TV contract on the open market for the first time) in 2025 (not 2036 like ACC football schools) for a good bit more $$ than ACC schools get (factoring in the ACC partial share, the ACC Network full share, etc...).

3) Wait, as is, and see how things shake out with this conference realignment BS. Jack Swarbrick calls this "monitoring the landscape".

4) Avoid being further tied down with the ACC and keep options open as the ACC GOR ticks down (which doesn't cover ND home football games).

5) If the ACC implodes, join the Big Ten or SEC if a P2 universe results (yuck, but a better business decision than joining the ACC in football).

6) IF ND decides to "unilaterally disarm" and go the Tier 2 "academic route", be in a good position to stay independent with better negotiating leverage against the other "academic model" schools.


SHIP, NOT BOAT

P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

we’ll abrogate the scheduling agreement ...
how much is that worth ...
scramble ...

TIT FOR TAT

Lol, is that supposed to be some kind of scary threat?

Be my guest.

That may void every agreement ND has with the ACC, including the GOR.

That would help ND, not hurt it.

BY ALL MEANS

COMMON GROUND

(05-13-2022 07:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 05:51 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 05:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:53 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

ok mr. know-it-all ...
what’s their plan then ...

IN THE SAME BOAT

1) Stay a football independent and keep sports other than hockey and football in the ACC.

2) Renew the NBC deal (or put its TV contract on the open market for the first time) in 2025 (not 2036 like ACC football schools) for a good bit more $$ than ACC schools get (factoring in the ACC partial share, the ACC Network full share, etc...).

3) Wait, as is, and see how things shake out with this conference realignment BS. Jack Swarbrick calls this "monitoring the landscape".

4) Avoid being further tied down with the ACC and keep options open as the ACC GOR ticks down (which doesn't cover ND home football games).

5) If the ACC implodes, join the Big Ten or SEC if a P2 universe results (yuck, but a better business decision than joining the ACC in football).

6) IF ND decides to "unilaterally disarm" and go the Tier 2 "academic route", be in a good position to stay independent with better negotiating leverage against the other "academic model" schools.


SHIP, NOT BOAT

P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

we’ll abrogate the scheduling agreement ...
how much is that worth ...
scramble ...

TIT FOR TAT

Lol, is that supposed to be some kind of scary threat?

Be my guest.

That may void every agreement ND has with the ACC, including the GOR.

That would help ND, not hurt it.

BY ALL MEANS

COMMONPLACE

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

Completely agree! It seems that ND is staying Indy thru 2036. While the ACC will not close the gap, they will be the #3 conf after the big two and that is huge as folks on this board thought the ACC would be gone by now (SEE BIG12 issues) just 5-10 years ago.

How will the ACC be #3

1. Finally full distrubution of ACCN. WE Will have to wait two tax season to see how much that bring in. (before full distro ACC teams made 30M plus, can expect 35-45M from full distro first year and to climb evey year after)

2. Before next look IN: add ACC TV content by going to 9 Conf games and scrapping divisons.

3. Participate & create in Alliance OOC scheduling that can be sold as a seperate TV package as "game of the week" for CBS to replace SEC game of the week package that is moving to ABC/ESPN.


What does this all mean. The ACC wil close the gap with full TV distrubution, and then SEC & BIG get their new deals and the gap widens again. Then the ACC can go divisionless and add 9 Conf games to help close the gap or stay #3. What is going to be interesting is what will PAC & BIG12 going fwd?

(05-14-2022 06:13 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

Completely agree! It seems that ND is staying Indy thru 2036. While the ACC will not close the gap, they will be the #3 conf after the big two and that is huge as folks on this board thought the ACC would be gone by now (SEE BIG12 issues) just 5-10 years ago.

How will the ACC be #3

1. Finally full distrubution of ACCN. WE Will have to wait two tax season to see how much that bring in. (before full distro ACC teams made 30M plus, can expect 35-45M from full distro first year and to climb evey year after)

2. Before next look IN: add ACC TV content by going to 9 Conf games and scrapping divisons.

3. Participate & create in Alliance OOC scheduling that can be sold as a seperate TV package as "game of the week" for CBS to replace SEC game of the week package that is moving to ABC/ESPN.


What does this all mean. The ACC wil close the gap with full TV distribution, and then SEC & BIG get their new deals and the gap widens again. Then the ACC can go divisionless and add 9 Conf games to help close the gap or stay #3. What is going to be interesting is what will PAC & BIG12 going fwd?

I honestly believe the ACC can get to $50M/year per school payouts. No, that doesn't match the SEC's $70M (and once UT and OU officially sign on, even more), but it's not chicken scratch!

(05-14-2022 06:13 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

Completely agree! It seems that ND is staying Indy thru 2036. While the ACC will not close the gap, they will be the #3 conf after the big two and that is huge as folks on this board thought the ACC would be gone by now (SEE BIG12 issues) just 5-10 years ago.

How will the ACC be #3

1. Finally full distrubution of ACCN. WE Will have to wait two tax season to see how much that bring in. (before full distro ACC teams made 30M plus, can expect 35-45M from full distro first year and to climb evey year after)

2. Before next look IN: add ACC TV content by going to 9 Conf games and scrapping divisons.

3. Participate & create in Alliance OOC scheduling that can be sold as a seperate TV package as "game of the week" for CBS to replace SEC game of the week package that is moving to ABC/ESPN.


What does this all mean. The ACC wil close the gap with full TV distrubution, and then SEC & BIG get their new deals and the gap widens again. Then the ACC can go divisionless and add 9 Conf games to help close the gap or stay #3. What is going to be interesting is what will PAC & BIG12 going fwd?

+ orange bowl + playoff expansion + basketball tournament(s)

ALL IS NOT LOST

(05-14-2022 06:13 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  What is going to be interesting is what will PAC & BIG12 going fwd?

big 12 closer to aac ...
bereft of big names ...
dedicated network ...
NY6 tie-in ...
excluded from alliance scheduling should it come to pass ...

GLOOMY PROGNOSIS

(05-13-2022 11:39 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 09:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 08:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 07:07 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 05:30 AM)TerryD Wrote:  P.S. ND football joining the ACC will not solve the ACC revenue gap. This is a much of an ACC fan delusion as Texas and Penn State joining the ACC was.

(05-13-2022 05:46 AM)TerryD Wrote:  It would take ND, Texas and/or Penn State to all join in full to bridge that massive gap. The ACC is 0-3 there.

SCHIZOPHRENIC

(05-13-2022 07:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  Why is Notre Dame making so much noise now? They were never worried about the revenue gap before and chose to take less money from NBC to get OTA coverage for Notre Dame football.

What has changed?

Perhaps NBC isn't willing to pay the Irish what they think is competitive?
ESPN/ABC won't give ND the preferred time slots they are looking for because of the SEC contract?

Darn that GOR.

The revenue gap was relative peanuts before Texas and Oklahoma moved to the SEC.

Now, if you are not in one of those two conferences in the near future, you are looking at about a $50 million a year shortfall (for 14 years regarding ACC schools).

Plus, you will be a second tier conference member, recruiting wise, exposure wise and otherwise.

ND looked at the former revenue gap as the price of independence.

Now? If ND has to join a conference, and have a $50 million a year revenue gap? A different story.

A seismic shift has occurred. Some fail to see it. Swarbrick does.

What a shame that Notre Dame is stuck with the ACC until 2036.

If we keep shaking the tree and kicking up dust maybe y'all will kick us out. It would be best for both parties, I want off the Titanic.

Then you had better get prepared to open the vault.

Sell naming rights to the conference's name.

"Here are your Bank of America Conference standings..."

Logo on every field and court, patch on every uniform. Potentially comes with its own network if worked out with ESPN.

How much do you think that would that bring in per year?

Regarding the ACC/ESPN contract - I don't think voting down the GoR would release the ACC from that contract, since it existed BEFORE the GoR. I think the only way to break free is to literally disband the conference (thus making all 15 teams independent). If they did that, of course there's a risk that some teams would be absorbed by the SEC and/or B1G immediately. However, it would allow the remaining teams to either form a new conference or join the Big XII en masse. But I don't think cancelling the GoR does much, other than allow individual teams to pay the exit fee and leave... disbanding is what you'd need to achieve most of the scenarios thrown out on this board.

(05-14-2022 08:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Regarding the ACC/ESPN contract - I don't think voting down the GoR would release the ACC from that contract, since it existed BEFORE the GoR. I think the only way to break free is to literally disband the conference (thus making all 15 teams independent). If they did that, of course there's a risk that some teams would be absorbed by the SEC and/or B1G immediately. However, it would allow the remaining teams to either form a new conference or join the Big XII en masse. But I don't think cancelling the GoR does much, other than allow individual teams to pay the exit fee and leave... disbanding is what you'd need to achieve most of the scenarios thrown out on this board.

No way the Gor goes away. Panic mode among some fans. Too many things can and may happen before anything gets resolved. Hypocrisy of ND fans particularly hilarious.

(05-14-2022 08:41 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(05-14-2022 08:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Regarding the ACC/ESPN contract - I don't think voting down the GoR would release the ACC from that contract, since it existed BEFORE the GoR. I think the only way to break free is to literally disband the conference (thus making all 15 teams independent). If they did that, of course there's a risk that some teams would be absorbed by the SEC and/or B1G immediately. However, it would allow the remaining teams to either form a new conference or join the Big XII en masse. But I don't think cancelling the GoR does much, other than allow individual teams to pay the exit fee and leave... disbanding is what you'd need to achieve most of the scenarios thrown out on this board.

No way the Gor goes away. Panic mode among some fans. Too many things can and may happen before anything gets resolved. Hypocrisy of ND fans particularly hilarious.

We're just buying our time. We see the incoming tsunami and feel that the conference is toast. Heck, in a few years ND could drop down in football, because of all the changes. But that would not change the fact about the ACC is in dire straits.

I think you will continue to see Swarbrick speaking out. He obviously is frustrated and trying to get a message across. Too whom? That is up to the individual listener to determine.

I have to say I really like the ACC as a fan (basketball). I followed ACC basketball basketball for 30+ years. But the leadership failures has created this mess. The contract is an albatross and will continue to show the inept leaderships failures year by year till death occurs.

(05-14-2022 09:10 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-14-2022 08:41 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(05-14-2022 08:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Regarding the ACC/ESPN contract - I don't think voting down the GoR would release the ACC from that contract, since it existed BEFORE the GoR. I think the only way to break free is to literally disband the conference (thus making all 15 teams independent). If they did that, of course there's a risk that some teams would be absorbed by the SEC and/or B1G immediately. However, it would allow the remaining teams to either form a new conference or join the Big XII en masse. But I don't think cancelling the GoR does much, other than allow individual teams to pay the exit fee and leave... disbanding is what you'd need to achieve most of the scenarios thrown out on this board.

No way the Gor goes away. Panic mode among some fans. Too many things can and may happen before anything gets resolved. Hypocrisy of ND fans particularly hilarious.

We're just buying biding our time. We see the incoming tsunami and feel that the conference is toast. Heck, in a few years ND could drop down in football, because of all the changes. But that would not change the fact about the ACC is in dire straits.

I think you will continue to see Swarbrick speaking out. He obviously is frustrated and trying to get a message across. Too whom? That is up to the individual listener to determine.

I have to say I really like the ACC as a fan (basketball). I followed ACC basketball basketball for 30+ years. But the leadership failures has created this mess. The contract is an albatross and will continue to show the inept leaderships failures year by year till death occurs.

https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status...6201482241

3 choices ...
join for a better tomorrow ...
fend for yourself ...
stay static ...

FEELINGS AREN’T FACTS

(05-14-2022 09:34 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-14-2022 09:10 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-14-2022 08:41 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(05-14-2022 08:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Regarding the ACC/ESPN contract - I don't think voting down the GoR would release the ACC from that contract, since it existed BEFORE the GoR. I think the only way to break free is to literally disband the conference (thus making all 15 teams independent). If they did that, of course there's a risk that some teams would be absorbed by the SEC and/or B1G immediately. However, it would allow the remaining teams to either form a new conference or join the Big XII en masse. But I don't think cancelling the GoR does much, other than allow individual teams to pay the exit fee and leave... disbanding is what you'd need to achieve most of the scenarios thrown out on this board.

No way the Gor goes away. Panic mode among some fans. Too many things can and may happen before anything gets resolved. Hypocrisy of ND fans particularly hilarious.

We're just buying biding our time. We see the incoming tsunami and feel that the conference is toast. Heck, in a few years ND could drop down in football, because of all the changes. But that would not change the fact about the ACC is in dire straits.

I think you will continue to see Swarbrick speaking out. He obviously is frustrated and trying to get a message across. Too whom? That is up to the individual listener to determine.

I have to say I really like the ACC as a fan (basketball). I followed ACC basketball basketball for 30+ years. But the leadership failures has created this mess. The contract is an albatross and will continue to show the inept leaderships failures year by year till death occurs.

https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status...6201482241

3 choices ...
join for a better tomorrow ...
fend for yourself ...
stay static ...

FEELINGS AREN’T FACTS

Feelings aren't facts
But facts made me feel
the ACC is f'ed
static cling

GRAB A LIFEBOAT!

All of this hand-wringing over money when it's evident that having piles of cash doesn't always enhance on-field performance. Case in point: the University of Texas.

(05-14-2022 06:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-14-2022 06:13 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 07:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  It doesn’t seem like the ESPN is going to pay a lot more for the divisionless format. These days Phillips doesn’t talk about 9 conference games or ND joining the ACC. So I guess we are stuck.

Divisionless pays for itself in increased ticket sales - any tv revenue bump, even a small one (say another million or so per year), is just icing on the cake.

9 conference games is a different matter - that one would need to come with a pretty significant pay raise, which I don't see happening.

Yes, ND isn't joining football, nor are they playing more than 5 games any time soon.

I say take the low-hanging fruit (divisionless scheduling), with emphasis on closest 3 teams for attendance and ticket sales, and shelve the other two ideas.

Completely agree! It seems that ND is staying Indy thru 2036. While the ACC will not close the gap, they will be the #3 conf after the big two and that is huge as folks on this board thought the ACC would be gone by now (SEE BIG12 issues) just 5-10 years ago.

How will the ACC be #3

1. Finally full distrubution of ACCN. WE Will have to wait two tax season to see how much that bring in. (before full distro ACC teams made 30M plus, can expect 35-45M from full distro first year and to climb evey year after)

2. Before next look IN: add ACC TV content by going to 9 Conf games and scrapping divisons.

3. Participate & create in Alliance OOC scheduling that can be sold as a seperate TV package as "game of the week" for CBS to replace SEC game of the week package that is moving to ABC/ESPN.


What does this all mean. The ACC wil close the gap with full TV distribution, and then SEC & BIG get their new deals and the gap widens again. Then the ACC can go divisionless and add 9 Conf games to help close the gap or stay #3. What is going to be interesting is what will PAC & BIG12 going fwd?

I honestly believe the ACC can get to $50M/year per school payouts. No, that doesn't match the SEC's $70M (and once UT and OU officially sign on, even more), but it's not chicken scratch!

I don’t know about the 9th game but it seems like the ESPN is showing some willingness to pay more for the divisionless model.

(05-14-2022 10:11 AM)colohank Wrote:  All of this hand-wringing over money 3 games when it's evident that having piles of cash doesn't always enhance on-field performance. Case in point: the University of Texas.

https://twitter.com/spbarrett13/status/7...1674573824

CUT OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR FACE

(05-14-2022 08:41 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(05-14-2022 08:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Regarding the ACC/ESPN contract - I don't think voting down the GoR would release the ACC from that contract, since it existed BEFORE the GoR. I think the only way to break free is to literally disband the conference (thus making all 15 teams independent). If they did that, of course there's a risk that some teams would be absorbed by the SEC and/or B1G immediately. However, it would allow the remaining teams to either form a new conference or join the Big XII en masse. But I don't think cancelling the GoR does much, other than allow individual teams to pay the exit fee and leave... disbanding is what you'd need to achieve most of the scenarios thrown out on this board.

No way the Gor goes away. Panic mode among some fans. Too many things can and may happen before anything gets resolved. Hypocrisy of ND fans particularly hilarious.

ND fans want the Irish to remain independent and compete in the highest level or tier of college football.

If that is impossible, then they want ND to join a conference that provides the money, exposure and everything needed to compete at the highest level or tier of college football.

If that is "hypocrisy", well then, hell, that is too damn bad.