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(04-19-2022 09:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  
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(04-18-2022 01:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There’s not really a right or wrong answer to who is better among the AAC and Big East. Their constituent institutions field very different athletic programs.


This is a good summary of the situation with UConn.

(pay attention to the financial parts)






As for basketball, the AAC is good to be free of that too. If UConn would've gotten embarassed versus Maryland and New Mexico State while they were in the AAC (before mass roster defections) who do you think would've been blamed. LOL

UConn lost a once in a lifetime coach. End of story. The AAC got the best of what was left and moved on.

UConn fans looked very happy in MSG. I think the Big East would be smart to invite UMass, another large New England flagship with a lot of alumni around NYC.

It's your opinion their football is in the wrong place, but their schedule is more compelling to their fanbase which was waaaay out of the AAC Texas-centric footprint.

Are you just a butthurt Temple fan with UConn postpartum? Let UConn grow up and have their own identity. 03-idea

That's a good point - if I was a UConn fan, I would like the new independent schedules that have been put together than the AAC schedules that they typically played.

More teams that are relevant to UConn fans, more northeastern, mid-Atlantic, and near mid-West teams than the southern and western games of the AAC.
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(04-19-2022 09:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 05:04 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 01:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There’s not really a right or wrong answer to who is better among the AAC and Big East. Their constituent institutions field very different athletic programs.


This is a good summary of the situation with UConn.

(pay attention to the financial parts)






As for basketball, the AAC is good to be free of that too. If UConn would've gotten embarassed versus Maryland and New Mexico State while they were in the AAC (before mass roster defections) who do you think would've been blamed. LOL

UConn lost a once in a lifetime coach. End of story. The AAC got the best of what was left and moved on.

UConn fans looked very happy in MSG. I think the Big East would be smart to invite UMass, another large New England flagship with a lot of alumni around NYC.

It's your opinion their football is in the wrong place, but their schedule is more compelling to their fanbase which was waaaay out of the AAC Texas-centric footprint.

Are you just a butthurt Temple fan with UConn postpartum? Let UConn grow up and have their own identity. 03-idea

I agree. I'm probably the only UConn fan that sees this as something that would be good for UConn though. Many people don't realize that Western Mass where UMass is located is part of a larger region with the Hartford metro area. Raising the profile of UMass and its rivalry with UConn would make good economic sense for our region.
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(04-19-2022 10:49 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 09:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 05:04 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 01:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There’s not really a right or wrong answer to who is better among the AAC and Big East. Their constituent institutions field very different athletic programs.


This is a good summary of the situation with UConn.

(pay attention to the financial parts)






As for basketball, the AAC is good to be free of that too. If UConn would've gotten embarassed versus Maryland and New Mexico State while they were in the AAC (before mass roster defections) who do you think would've been blamed. LOL

UConn lost a once in a lifetime coach. End of story. The AAC got the best of what was left and moved on.

UConn fans looked very happy in MSG. I think the Big East would be smart to invite UMass, another large New England flagship with a lot of alumni around NYC.

It's your opinion their football is in the wrong place, but their schedule is more compelling to their fanbase which was waaaay out of the AAC Texas-centric footprint.

Are you just a butthurt Temple fan with UConn postpartum? Let UConn grow up and have their own identity. 03-idea

I agree. I'm probably the only UConn fan that sees this as something that would be good for UConn though. Many people don't realize that Western Mass where UMass is located is part of a larger region with the Hartford metro area. Raising the profile of UMass and its rivalry with UConn would make good economic sense for our region.

UMass is just under 2 hours from Boston, whereas it's just under an hour from Hartford. That's also a very reasonable trip for fans in either direction to get to away games.
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* I agree with esayem that UMass would be a very solid addition to the Big East as a "partner" for UConn. It simply makes sense.

* Quo makes an important distinction between "status/prestige" on the one hand and "performance" on the other. I failed to differentiate in my recent posts comparing Big East and the current AAC in academics and athletics. Clearly, the Big East offers more prestige than the AAC given 1. the BE has existed for much longer and, as such, offers name recognition and "cache" 2. BE basketball is "power" and 3. most folks simply assume private schools have greater status than public universities (a misguided assumption, no less). So in the conference pecking order (as QV notes) and based on prestige/status, the Big East is generally a higher "ranked" league than the AAC. But in terms of performance both academically and athletically, the two leagues are basically equal in the conference pecking order based on all the metrics I presented. I failed to differentiate that distinction, so my bad.

* UConn football, as I have noted in various previous posts, could benefit from independence, particularly based on fan interest and travel costs. The major negative (obviously) is there is no lure of playing for a league title, league honors and/or (realistically) a major bowl. Coaches and players want those opportunities. Unless you are ND, there will be numerous negatives to being a football indy. UConn knows this. Time will tell what the indy move does to Husky football.
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(04-19-2022 11:37 AM)e-parade Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 10:49 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 09:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 05:04 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 01:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There’s not really a right or wrong answer to who is better among the AAC and Big East. Their constituent institutions field very different athletic programs.


This is a good summary of the situation with UConn.

(pay attention to the financial parts)






As for basketball, the AAC is good to be free of that too. If UConn would've gotten embarassed versus Maryland and New Mexico State while they were in the AAC (before mass roster defections) who do you think would've been blamed. LOL

UConn lost a once in a lifetime coach. End of story. The AAC got the best of what was left and moved on.

UConn fans looked very happy in MSG. I think the Big East would be smart to invite UMass, another large New England flagship with a lot of alumni around NYC.

It's your opinion their football is in the wrong place, but their schedule is more compelling to their fanbase which was waaaay out of the AAC Texas-centric footprint.

Are you just a butthurt Temple fan with UConn postpartum? Let UConn grow up and have their own identity. 03-idea

I agree. I'm probably the only UConn fan that sees this as something that would be good for UConn though. Many people don't realize that Western Mass where UMass is located is part of a larger region with the Hartford metro area. Raising the profile of UMass and its rivalry with UConn would make good economic sense for our region.

UMass is just under 2 hours from Boston, whereas it's just under an hour from Hartford. That's also a very reasonable trip for fans in either direction to get to away games.
(04-19-2022 12:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  * I agree with esayem that UMass would be a very solid addition to the Big East as a "partner" for UConn. It simply makes sense.

If the Big East had any interest in UMass, they would have gotten a call a long time ago. I don't see it happening any time soon. UMass has an alumni base in Boston, but it's hardly a Boston team. In my view, UMass would have to become one of the dominant members of the A10 for a few years, and demonstrate they were more than a one coach wonder as they were with Calipari, for the Big East to consider the possibility.

I would also offer that UConn already has a partner in the conference in Providence. There is no need to add another member for this reason.
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(04-19-2022 12:12 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 11:37 AM)e-parade Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 10:49 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 09:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 05:04 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  This is a good summary of the situation with UConn.

(pay attention to the financial parts)






As for basketball, the AAC is good to be free of that too. If UConn would've gotten embarassed versus Maryland and New Mexico State while they were in the AAC (before mass roster defections) who do you think would've been blamed. LOL

UConn lost a once in a lifetime coach. End of story. The AAC got the best of what was left and moved on.

UConn fans looked very happy in MSG. I think the Big East would be smart to invite UMass, another large New England flagship with a lot of alumni around NYC.

It's your opinion their football is in the wrong place, but their schedule is more compelling to their fanbase which was waaaay out of the AAC Texas-centric footprint.

Are you just a butthurt Temple fan with UConn postpartum? Let UConn grow up and have their own identity. 03-idea

I agree. I'm probably the only UConn fan that sees this as something that would be good for UConn though. Many people don't realize that Western Mass where UMass is located is part of a larger region with the Hartford metro area. Raising the profile of UMass and its rivalry with UConn would make good economic sense for our region.

UMass is just under 2 hours from Boston, whereas it's just under an hour from Hartford. That's also a very reasonable trip for fans in either direction to get to away games.

If the Big East had any interest in UMass, they would have gotten a call a long time ago. I don't see it happening any time soon. UMass has an alumni base in Boston, but it's hardly a Boston team. In my view, UMass would have to become one of the dominant members of the A10 for a few years, and demonstrate they were more than a one coach wonder as they were with Calipari, for the Big East to consider the possibility.

I would also offer that UConn already has a partner in the conference in Providence. There is no need to add another member for this reason.


I generally agree. However, the "need" might stem from the Big East needing TV content. The SEC will soon offer 16 programs. The Big 12 will increase to 14. The ACC has 15, with the Big Ten offering 14. The BE is home to only 11 programs.

TV content — i.e., maximizing the league staying in the public eye — is the main reason I have advocated for the Big East to add three members to go to 14. Dayton, Saint Louis, VCU and/or UMass could work.

But I don't foresee it.
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Oh yeah, I'm not saying it would happen by any means, but I think it would be great (obviously). It would keep our football team independent still, but we'd be more tied to UCONN with it all and get some all sports rivalries going.

If Martin can get the team going, we'd have vastly improved both Men's and Women's basketball at the very least. So far with the transfer portal results we're looking pretty good for next year. Keep it up for a few years, and who knows what it'll result in?
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(04-19-2022 11:37 AM)e-parade Wrote:  UMass is just under 2 hours from Boston, whereas it's just under an hour from Hartford. That's also a very reasonable trip for fans in either direction to get to away games.


Realignment shrunk the "Independent" FBS pool SIGNIFICANTLY, as anyone with an option headed for the CFP-founding conferences. With the future CFP expansion payouts being distributed amongst this group, everyone sought cover (and I see Army doing the same as the CFP-12 nears).

Consequently, UConn and UMass are tied together tighter than ever. During the summit of their ADs, they even acknowledged as much.

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That said, the NBE has a 12th pro-rata share and it would be foolish NOT to bring UMass into it (like the MVFC just did with Murray State). The FS1 TV deal allows for another 4 million dollar share to go to a 12th team and UMass gives UConn the closest thing they'll have to a rival. There really are no better options for that group.

Edit: Perhaps that's why the A10 expanded by 1 with Loyola Chicago.
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(04-19-2022 12:12 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 11:37 AM)e-parade Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 10:49 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 09:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 05:04 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  This is a good summary of the situation with UConn.

(pay attention to the financial parts)






As for basketball, the AAC is good to be free of that too. If UConn would've gotten embarassed versus Maryland and New Mexico State while they were in the AAC (before mass roster defections) who do you think would've been blamed. LOL

UConn lost a once in a lifetime coach. End of story. The AAC got the best of what was left and moved on.

UConn fans looked very happy in MSG. I think the Big East would be smart to invite UMass, another large New England flagship with a lot of alumni around NYC.

It's your opinion their football is in the wrong place, but their schedule is more compelling to their fanbase which was waaaay out of the AAC Texas-centric footprint.

Are you just a butthurt Temple fan with UConn postpartum? Let UConn grow up and have their own identity. 03-idea

I agree. I'm probably the only UConn fan that sees this as something that would be good for UConn though. Many people don't realize that Western Mass where UMass is located is part of a larger region with the Hartford metro area. Raising the profile of UMass and its rivalry with UConn would make good economic sense for our region.

UMass is just under 2 hours from Boston, whereas it's just under an hour from Hartford. That's also a very reasonable trip for fans in either direction to get to away games.
(04-19-2022 12:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  * I agree with esayem that UMass would be a very solid addition to the Big East as a "partner" for UConn. It simply makes sense.

If the Big East had any interest in UMass, they would have gotten a call a long time ago. I don't see it happening any time soon. UMass has an alumni base in Boston, but it's hardly a Boston team. In my view, UMass would have to become one of the dominant members of the A10 for a few years, and demonstrate they were more than a one coach wonder as they were with Calipari, for the Big East to consider the possibility.

I would also offer that UConn already has a partner in the conference in Providence. There is no need to add another member for this reason.

I was thinking more or less in the potential size of the fanbase. The Big East could benefit from another large alumni base in the northeast. For instance, I remember seeing a guy in a UMass shirt beyond the announcers at the Big East tournament, or maybe it was Brooklyn.

Plus, PC, Boston College, and UConn were all original members of the Big East.
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(04-19-2022 12:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  * I agree with esayem that UMass would be a very solid addition to the Big East as a "partner" for UConn. It simply makes sense.

* Quo makes an important distinction between "status/prestige" on the one hand and "performance" on the other. I failed to differentiate in my recent posts comparing Big East and the current AAC in academics and athletics. Clearly, the Big East offers more prestige than the AAC given 1. the BE has existed for much longer and, as such, offers name recognition and "cache" 2. BE basketball is "power" and 3. most folks simply assume private schools have greater status than public universities (a misguided assumption, no less). So in the conference pecking order (as QV notes) and based on prestige/status, the Big East is generally a higher "ranked" league than the AAC. But in terms of performance both academically and athletically, the two leagues are basically equal in the conference pecking order based on all the metrics I presented.


That's a summary of the data that some would agree with and others would disagree with.

For example, most people who particularly value AAU and R1 doctoral research universities would tend to consider the AAC more prestigious, since the AAC has AAU universities and many more R1 doctoral research universities.

Football fans would also tend to consider the AAC more prestigious than the Big East as far as its football brand is concerned, since the AAC is an FBS conference, whereas the Big East only has 4 FCS schools.

Basketball fans would tend to consider the Big East more prestigious. Regarding undergraduate education, it's not clear whether the Big East schools are generally
considered more or less prestigious.

People who favor a private, religious school over a public university would probably consider the Big East more prestigious.

The Big East has a more well-known brand and more brand recognition, but the American has done a lot of catching up, and is now broadly recognized as one of the 10 major collegiate athletic conferences by most college sports fans.

The fact that the Big East no longer has a football conference has made them more of a niche conference, much like the WCC - great in basketball, but that's about it.

Thus, it may makes more sense to compare the Big East with the the Atlantic 10 and the West Coast Conference than it does to compare them with the AAC.

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(04-19-2022 12:48 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 02:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I'd say the Big East today has more status and respect than it did 12 years ago

That's not an easy case to prove considering...

EXHIBIT A:

12 years ago, five Big East football teams were ranked in the Final AP Top 25. The Big East champion, Miami, was the national champion.

What on God's green earth are you talking about?

Miami was long gone in 2010. And there were ZERO Big East Football Conference teams ranked in the final AP poll that year. That was the absolute nadir of Big East football, the year an 8-4 UConn brought no fans to the Fiesta Bowl and got crushed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_...l_rankings
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(04-19-2022 12:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  * I agree with esayem that UMass would be a very solid addition to the Big East as a "partner" for UConn. It simply makes sense.

* Quo makes an important distinction between "status/prestige" on the one hand and "performance" on the other. I failed to differentiate in my recent posts comparing Big East and the current AAC in academics and athletics. Clearly, the Big East offers more prestige than the AAC given 1. the BE has existed for much longer and, as such, offers name recognition and "cache" 2. BE basketball is "power" and 3. most folks simply assume private schools have greater status than public universities (a misguided assumption, no less). So in the conference pecking order (as QV notes) and based on prestige/status, the Big East is generally a higher "ranked" league than the AAC. But in terms of performance both academically and athletically, the two leagues are basically equal in the conference pecking order based on all the metrics I presented.


That's a summary of the data that some would agree with and others would disagree with.

For example, most people who particularly value AAU and R1 doctoral research universities would tend to consider the AAC more prestigious, since the AAC has AAU universities and many more R1 doctoral research universities.

I'm not so sure about that. For example, Oklahoma State, LSU and UCF are all "Research I" universities, while Villanova is not. But nobody I know in academia would regard those three schools as being better than Villanova. Villanova is significantly higher on the academia prestige pecking order.

R1 is more a function of sheer size than 'quality', I think.
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(04-19-2022 01:09 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 12:48 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 02:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I'd say the Big East today has more status and respect than it did 12 years ago

That's not an easy case to prove considering...

EXHIBIT A:

12 years ago, five Big East football teams were ranked in the Final AP Top 25. The Big East champion, Miami, was the national champion.

What on God's green earth are you talking about?

Miami was long gone in 2010. And there were ZERO Big East Football Conference teams ranked in the final AP poll that year. That was the absolute nadir of Big East football, the year an 8-4 UConn brought no fans to the Fiesta Bowl and got crushed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_...l_rankings

He may have done the thing where "the year 2000 was only 12 years ago!" that people do before realizing "oh **** I lost a decade"
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(04-19-2022 01:15 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 01:09 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 12:48 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 02:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I'd say the Big East today has more status and respect than it did 12 years ago

That's not an easy case to prove considering...

EXHIBIT A:

12 years ago, five Big East football teams were ranked in the Final AP Top 25. The Big East champion, Miami, was the national champion.

What on God's green earth are you talking about?

Miami was long gone in 2010. And there were ZERO Big East Football Conference teams ranked in the final AP poll that year. That was the absolute nadir of Big East football, the year an 8-4 UConn brought no fans to the Fiesta Bowl and got crushed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NCAA_...l_rankings

He may have done the thing where "the year 2000 was only 12 years ago!" that people do before realizing "oh **** I lost a decade"

You guys are right - I made a mistake. Have corrected the error. I was trying to do too much too fast, and didn't take the time to double-check. There wasn't a top 25 Big East team in 2012 after all.

However, there were two Big East top 25 teams in 2011, 3 in 2009, two in 2008, three in 2007, and two in 2005.

The point still stands, however, that the Big East was considered a legitimate football power (BCS) conference most years, since 2000.

The sentence in question has been rewritten as follows:

(04-18-2022 02:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I'd say the Big East today has more status and respect than it did 12 years ago

That's not an easy case to prove considering...

EXHIBIT A:

Two Big East football teams were ranked in the Final AP Top 25 in 2011. There is no Big East football conference in 2022.

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(04-18-2022 01:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There’s not really a right or wrong answer to who is better among the AAC and Big East. Their constituent institutions field very different athletic programs.


This is a good summary of the situation with UConn.

(pay attention to the financial parts)






As for basketball, the AAC is good to be free of that too. If UConn would've gotten embarassed versus Maryland and New Mexico State while they were in the AAC (before mass roster defections) who do you think would've been blamed. LOL

UConn lost a once in a lifetime coach. End of story. The AAC got the best of what was left and moved on.

Good video. The program left with the great recession yet unlike housing didn't bounce back.

Crowds at their newish FB stadium already look sparce, well conditioned for week night Maction. Going the MAC route is probably the best option if they want to make bowls again.

Maybe even a MAC scheduling agreement which they had in the past when they were moving up. Have UConn, UMass and Army all play 4 FB games a year against the MAC to help with scheduling.

Speaking of scheduling will UConn be able to get those P5 names on the schedule in the future? Time will tell I guess on it.
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After Georgetown (obviously), what Big East university would you consider the most academically prestigious (most would choose Nova, I'm assuming):

Villanova

Connecticut

Marquette

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(04-19-2022 09:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  UConn fans looked very happy in MSG. I think the Big East would be smart to invite UMass, another large New England flagship with a lot of alumni around NYC.

It's your opinion their football is in the wrong place, but their schedule is more compelling to their fanbase which was waaaay out of the AAC Texas-centric footprint.

Are you just a butthurt Temple fan with UConn postpartum? Let UConn grow up and have their own identity. 03-idea

I agree. I'm probably the only UConn fan that sees this as something that would be good for UConn though. Many people don't realize that Western Mass where UMass is located is part of a larger region with the Hartford metro area. Raising the profile of UMass and its rivalry with UConn would make good economic sense for our region.

UMass is just under 2 hours from Boston, whereas it's just under an hour from Hartford. That's also a very reasonable trip for fans in either direction to get to away games.
(04-19-2022 12:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  * I agree with esayem that UMass would be a very solid addition to the Big East as a "partner" for UConn. It simply makes sense.

If the Big East had any interest in UMass, they would have gotten a call a long time ago. I don't see it happening any time soon. UMass has an alumni base in Boston, but it's hardly a Boston team. In my view, UMass would have to become one of the dominant members of the A10 for a few years, and demonstrate they were more than a one coach wonder as they were with Calipari, for the Big East to consider the possibility.

I would also offer that UConn already has a partner in the conference in Providence. There is no need to add another member for this reason.

I was thinking more or less in the potential size of the fanbase. The Big East could benefit from another large alumni base in the northeast. For instance, I remember seeing a guy in a UMass shirt beyond the announcers at the Big East tournament, or maybe it was Brooklyn.

Plus, PC, Boston College, and UConn were all original members of the Big East.

Its a solid idea because of how big UMass is.

The problem though is their BB program isn't very good by A10 standards.

BE is wary about adding another bottom feeder to the conference.
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(04-19-2022 01:54 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 12:47 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 12:12 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 11:37 AM)e-parade Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 10:49 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  I agree. I'm probably the only UConn fan that sees this as something that would be good for UConn though. Many people don't realize that Western Mass where UMass is located is part of a larger region with the Hartford metro area. Raising the profile of UMass and its rivalry with UConn would make good economic sense for our region.

UMass is just under 2 hours from Boston, whereas it's just under an hour from Hartford. That's also a very reasonable trip for fans in either direction to get to away games.
(04-19-2022 12:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  * I agree with esayem that UMass would be a very solid addition to the Big East as a "partner" for UConn. It simply makes sense.

If the Big East had any interest in UMass, they would have gotten a call a long time ago. I don't see it happening any time soon. UMass has an alumni base in Boston, but it's hardly a Boston team. In my view, UMass would have to become one of the dominant members of the A10 for a few years, and demonstrate they were more than a one coach wonder as they were with Calipari, for the Big East to consider the possibility.

I would also offer that UConn already has a partner in the conference in Providence. There is no need to add another member for this reason.

I was thinking more or less in the potential size of the fanbase. The Big East could benefit from another large alumni base in the northeast. For instance, I remember seeing a guy in a UMass shirt beyond the announcers at the Big East tournament, or maybe it was Brooklyn.

Plus, PC, Boston College, and UConn were all original members of the Big East.

Its a solid idea because of how big UMass is.

The problem though is their BB program isn't very good by A10 standards.

BE is wary about adding another bottom feeder to the conference.

I think we'll see UMass and URI move to the top tier of the conference with their new coaching hires.

Tier 1: Davidson, VCU, Dayton, UMass, URI

Tier 2: UR, St. Bona, SLU, Loyola

Tier 3: Fordham, St. Joe's, LaSalle, Duquesne, GW, GMU
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(04-19-2022 01:48 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Speaking of scheduling will UConn be able to get those P5 names on the schedule in the future? Time will tell I guess on it.

Yes, because UConn is still a great brand and the game counts as an FBS game. If they dropped to FCS, that benefit is gone and they don't make as much money, have zero chance at a bowl, and aren't positioned for the next potential wave of realignment.
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(04-19-2022 02:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 01:48 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Speaking of scheduling will UConn be able to get those P5 names on the schedule in the future? Time will tell I guess on it.

Yes, because UConn is still a great brand and the game counts as an FBS game. If they dropped to FCS, that benefit is gone and they don't make as much money, have zero chance at a bowl, and aren't positioned for the next potential wave of realignment.

We just don't know where things are heading athletically right now with the NIL environment. Its not really a debate on FCS vs. FBS which is better. The assumption they would be able to get enough non-conference scheduling to continue as an independent is a question.
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