The WAC schools in Texas are as follows (following realignment)

Abilene Christian
Incarnate Word
Lamar
Stephen F. Austin
Tarleton State
UTA
UTRGV

There are seven Texas schools in the WAC, with a chance for more. Is there any chance these schools may break off from the WAC to form a new league?

(01-23-2022 11:28 PM)rtist Wrote:  The WAC schools in Texas are as follows (following realignment)

Abilene Christian
Incarnate Word
Lamar
Stephen F. Austin
Tarleton State
UTA
UTRGV

There are seven Texas schools in the WAC, with a chance for more. Is there any chance these schools may break off from the WAC to form a new league?

I don’t see a break off eminent but I could see West Coast teams that leave replaced with more Texas-centric future members. In essence a slow phase out.

(01-23-2022 11:28 PM)rtist Wrote:  The WAC schools in Texas are as follows (following realignment)

Abilene Christian
Incarnate Word
Lamar
Stephen F. Austin
Tarleton State
UTA
UTRGV

There are seven Texas schools in the WAC, with a chance for more. Is there any chance these schools may break off from the WAC to form a new league?

Maybe. But the WAC owns all rights for a path to the FBS. Any future FBS consideration will not follow the Texas schools if they leave.

I've been told repeatedly, that no Texas schools are leaving the WAC, that they just joined, that it makes no a new to look elsewhere, where would they go, and that the entire notion makes no sense and is just a conspiracy theory of sorts.

So I have been told, and told, and told, and told. Right up until the point SHS announced they were leaving after a couple months. Then, people mysteriously quite telling me it wasn't going to happen.

The split is as inevitable now as it was since they starting joining. Hard to tell exactly how it will happen, but I don't see any reason for them to go en masse. They may all be in Texas, but they all have vastly differing goals for their athletics. They'd never get along well enough to pull it off.

Mostly likely they will trickle out one or two at a time, some going one direction, I some going another. They thought they could run the southland into the ground and go back and reclaim it, but as we are witnessing, that strategy failed as the Southland is regrouping and adding new football programs as we speak. Now they will try to run the WAC into the ground by driving out the "unwanteds" but that isn't going to work either. They will limp along in limbo until major movement elsewhere affords them a face saving exit strategy.

I would think the key is what the western schools do. I don't see a mass split just to have a Texas conference. There would need to be a legitimate reason, such as all of the Texas schools wanted to go FBS and the Utah schools did not, assuming there would be enough to meet the qualifying rules for a FBS conference. Otherwise, I would expect one or two might move to a FBS conference if invited. Similarly, I would expect one or two non-football schools in the western half might move to a non-football conference if invited. I would similarly expect one or two of the western schools might leave for non-football conference on the coast if invited. Beyond that as long as the east to west balance can be achieved the way the WAC is doing most of the sports currently minimizes travel costs which personally, I don't think is that big of an issue anywhere. I also think it is somewhat unreasonable that so many WAC fans are more concerned with what might tear the conference apart than trying to build it into a stronger conference.

(01-24-2022 12:07 AM)Todor Wrote:  I've been told repeatedly, that no Texas schools are leaving the WAC, that they just joined, that it makes no a new to look elsewhere, where would they go, and that the entire notion makes no sense and is just a conspiracy theory of sorts.

So I have been told, and told, and told, and told. Right up until the point SHS announced they were leaving after a couple months. Then, people mysteriously quite telling me it wasn't going to happen.

The split is as inevitable now as it was since they starting joining. Hard to tell exactly how it will happen, but I don't see any reason for them to go en masse. They may all be in Texas, but they all have vastly differing goals for their athletics. They'd never get along well enough to pull it off.

Mostly likely they will trickle out one or two at a time, some going one direction, I some going another. They thought they could run the southland into the ground and go back and reclaim it, but as we are witnessing, that strategy failed as the Southland is regrouping and adding new football programs as we speak. Now they will try to run the WAC into the ground by driving out the "unwanteds" but that isn't going to work either. They will limp along in limbo until major movement elsewhere affords them a face saving exit strategy.

Yeah, there's not a trace of conspiracy theories in anything you wrote here...

Take this with a grain of salt but I heard that Tarleton had a big board meeting on Saturday and it was hinted to me that they will be making an announcement for a big move within 2 or 3 months.

(01-24-2022 10:11 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Take this with a grain of salt but I heard that Tarleton had a big board meeting on Saturday and it was hinted to me that they will be making an announcement for a big move within 2 or 3 months.

SEC must be calling, I heard they want to tap into that Fort Worth market.

Maybe they're announcing ANOTHER stadium expansion? That 40,000 seat stadium will look awesome with Texas A&M Commerce in town.

(01-24-2022 10:11 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Take this with a grain of salt but I heard that Tarleton had a big board meeting on Saturday and it was hinted to me that they will be making an announcement for a big move within 2 or 3 months.

Tarleton to the Southland.

(01-24-2022 01:54 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:11 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Take this with a grain of salt but I heard that Tarleton had a big board meeting on Saturday and it was hinted to me that they will be making an announcement for a big move within 2 or 3 months.

Tarleton to the Southland.

Actually C-USA

(01-24-2022 02:16 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 01:54 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:11 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Take this with a grain of salt but I heard that Tarleton had a big board meeting on Saturday and it was hinted to me that they will be making an announcement for a big move within 2 or 3 months.

Tarleton to the Southland.

Actually C-USA

Yeah that's what I heard.

(01-24-2022 02:57 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 02:16 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 01:54 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:11 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Take this with a grain of salt but I heard that Tarleton had a big board meeting on Saturday and it was hinted to me that they will be making an announcement for a big move within 2 or 3 months.

Tarleton to the Southland.

Actually C-USA

Yeah that's what I heard.

Hurley was in Indianapolis last week for the new NCAA Constitution vote. Could of heard something unfavorable for the WAC in regards to the looming "4th Division". If CUSA it is, nice to see we took a step back and did our due diligence. The WAC is a really good place to be right now, but I get it, Hurley has to do what is best for Tarleton long-term.

(01-24-2022 03:57 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 02:57 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 02:16 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 01:54 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:11 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Take this with a grain of salt but I heard that Tarleton had a big board meeting on Saturday and it was hinted to me that they will be making an announcement for a big move within 2 or 3 months.

Tarleton to the Southland.

Actually C-USA

Yeah that's what I heard.

Hurley was in Indianapolis last week for the new NCAA Constitution vote. Could of heard something unfavorable for the WAC in regards to the looming "4th Division". If CUSA it is, nice to see we took a step back and did our due diligence. The WAC is a really good place to be right now, but I get it, Hurley has to do what is best for Tarleton long-term.

Weren’t you just saying like two months ago that Tarleton was offered CUSA membership but y’all turned it down because it was a crappy conference? Weird that just a few months later Tarleton would accept on apparently at least the second invite according to Incestry.comTexan.

(01-24-2022 05:34 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:57 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 02:57 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 02:16 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 01:54 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  Tarleton to the Southland.

Actually C-USA

Yeah that's what I heard.

Hurley was in Indianapolis last week for the new NCAA Constitution vote. Could of heard something unfavorable for the WAC in regards to the looming "4th Division". If CUSA it is, nice to see we took a step back and did our due diligence. The WAC is a really good place to be right now, but I get it, Hurley has to do what is best for Tarleton long-term.

Weren’t you just saying like two months ago that Tarleton was offered CUSA membership but y’all turned it down because it was a crappy conference? Weird that just a few months later Tarleton would accept on apparently at least the second invite according to Incestry.comTexan.

No, I specifically said we are waiting to see how the new NCAA Constitution and impending D1 split unfolds, that our first choice is the WAC if it can offer any path to FBS. But yes, I do think CUSA is a crappy conference.

It wouldn't surprise me.
Tarleton leadership wants FBS. Before the Texas4 added, New Mexico State AD said they were all for an FBS WAC.

Tarleton was named with Sam and New Mexico State as CUSA targets in October.Later that night, they announced stadium expansion to 20-25k over the next 18 months.
Sam and NMSU moved and Tarleton was roasted online because they are an unknown D1 transitional program.

Since then Tarleton has announced their 15th (W soccer) and 16th (m golf) sports. This is important because 14 is the minimum for D1 programs, but 16 is the minimum for FBS conferences.
They also reclassified from Carnegie Regional Masters to Carnegie R2 High Research University.

My best guess is that both parties agreed to hold off in October with an eventual bid.
CUSA wants to recruit any and all members but the stigma of taking a team 2 years removed from D2 is tough. They held in an attempt to figure out next steps knowing Tarleton was in the wings even a few years down the road.

Tarletons original plan for FBS was likely a few more years out but you can't wait if something presents itself. Now they are adapting on the accelerated time line.

My question for some of the brains on here... when does Tarleton count as a D1 win? I'm guessing that since we open the season at TCU next year, we are an FCS counter for their bowl eligibility. If we moved to CUSA, we'd be an FCS count for all members.... but for how long?

(01-24-2022 05:50 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 05:34 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:57 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 02:57 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 02:16 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Actually C-USA

Yeah that's what I heard.

Hurley was in Indianapolis last week for the new NCAA Constitution vote. Could of heard something unfavorable for the WAC in regards to the looming "4th Division". If CUSA it is, nice to see we took a step back and did our due diligence. The WAC is a really good place to be right now, but I get it, Hurley has to do what is best for Tarleton long-term.

Weren’t you just saying like two months ago that Tarleton was offered CUSA membership but y’all turned it down because it was a crappy conference? Weird that just a few months later Tarleton would accept on apparently at least the second invite according to Incestry.comTexan.

No, I specifically said we are waiting to see how the new NCAA Constitution and impending D1 split unfolds, that our first choice is the WAC if it can offer any path to FBS. But yes, I do think CUSA is a crappy conference.

So real question. Do you actually have any real ties and inside information at Tarleton?

(01-24-2022 08:53 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 05:50 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 05:34 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:57 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 02:57 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Yeah that's what I heard.

Hurley was in Indianapolis last week for the new NCAA Constitution vote. Could of heard something unfavorable for the WAC in regards to the looming "4th Division". If CUSA it is, nice to see we took a step back and did our due diligence. The WAC is a really good place to be right now, but I get it, Hurley has to do what is best for Tarleton long-term.

Weren’t you just saying like two months ago that Tarleton was offered CUSA membership but y’all turned it down because it was a crappy conference? Weird that just a few months later Tarleton would accept on apparently at least the second invite according to Incestry.comTexan.

No, I specifically said we are waiting to see how the new NCAA Constitution and impending D1 split unfolds, that our first choice is the WAC if it can offer any path to FBS. But yes, I do think CUSA is a crappy conference.

So real question. Do you actually have any real ties and inside information at Tarleton?

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Here’s where IgnorantTexan claimed that Tarleton turned down CUSA. He will try and spin it though.

“No the shrivelling and dying CUSA was desperate and grabbed the two most desperate schools from a healthy and expanding WAC. I would call Tarleton desperate too if we had taken the bait.”

https://csnbbs.com/thread-936097-post-17...id17921653

(01-24-2022 08:42 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  It wouldn't surprise me.
Tarleton leadership wants FBS. Before the Texas4 added, New Mexico State AD said they were all for an FBS WAC.

Tarleton was named with Sam and New Mexico State as CUSA targets in October.Later that night, they announced stadium expansion to 20-25k over the next 18 months.
Sam and NMSU moved and Tarleton was roasted online because they are an unknown D1 transitional program.

Since then Tarleton has announced their 15th (W soccer) and 16th (m golf) sports. This is important because 14 is the minimum for D1 programs, but 16 is the minimum for FBS conferences.
They also reclassified from Carnegie Regional Masters to Carnegie R2 High Research University.

My best guess is that both parties agreed to hold off in October with an eventual bid.
CUSA wants to recruit any and all members but the stigma of taking a team 2 years removed from D2 is tough. They held in an attempt to figure out next steps knowing Tarleton was in the wings even a few years down the road.

Tarletons original plan for FBS was likely a few more years out but you can't wait if something presents itself. Now they are adapting on the accelerated time line.

My question for some of the brains on here... when does Tarleton count as a D1 win? I'm guessing that since we open the season at TCU next year, we are an FCS counter for their bowl eligibility. If we moved to CUSA, we'd be an FCS count for all members.... but for how long?

Not the move I wanted to hear this quickly. The FLYOVER Conference is going to present a lot of challenges. I was hoping Tarleton would stay put at least until the decade was out and have time to adjust. I personally think the University is growing to fast but as someone once said Dam the torpedoes full speed ahead.

(01-24-2022 12:07 AM)Todor Wrote:  I've been told repeatedly, that no Texas schools are leaving the WAC, that they just joined, that it makes no a new to look elsewhere, where would they go, and that the entire notion makes no sense and is just a conspiracy theory of sorts.

So I have been told, and told, and told, and told. Right up until the point SHS announced they were leaving after a couple months. Then, people mysteriously quite telling me it wasn't going to happen.

The split is as inevitable now as it was since they starting joining. Hard to tell exactly how it will happen, but I don't see any reason for them to go en masse. They may all be in Texas, but they all have vastly differing goals for their athletics. They'd never get along well enough to pull it off.

Mostly likely they will trickle out one or two at a time, some going one direction, I some going another. They thought they could run the southland into the ground and go back and reclaim it, but as we are witnessing, that strategy failed as the Southland is regrouping and adding new football programs as we speak. Now they will try to run the WAC into the ground by driving out the "unwanteds" but that isn't going to work either. They will limp along in limbo until major movement elsewhere affords them a face saving exit strategy.

This has to be one of the more ignorant things you have written. Is there a bum rush on teams being added to the SLC we are unaware of? The Southland is a dumpster fire and you along with everyone here knows it. The only school they have added is a TEXAS school who will most likely bolt to the WAC once transition is cleared. I have been told this much by folks close to TAMUC. SMH