(01-24-2022 10:16 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Here’s where IgnorantTexan claimed that Tarleton turned down CUSA. He will try and spin it though.

“No the shrivelling and dying CUSA was desperate and grabbed the two most desperate schools from a healthy and expanding WAC. I would call Tarleton desperate too if we had taken the bait.”

https://csnbbs.com/thread-936097-post-17...id17921653

Yeah, so? Leaving the comfort of the warm blanket we just help create in the new WAC for the cold, harsh unknown that is the new CUSA is a total move of desperation. There must be no other path to FBS in the near future for Tarleton. We were holding out hope that the WAC would present that path. Tarleton has made no bones about wanting FBS from the jump. I personally and selfishly prefer the WAC, but I also trust in Lonn and President Hurley to do what is in the best interest of Tarleton.

(01-24-2022 11:38 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:16 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Here’s where IgnorantTexan claimed that Tarleton turned down CUSA. He will try and spin it though.

“No the shrivelling and dying CUSA was desperate and grabbed the two most desperate schools from a healthy and expanding WAC. I would call Tarleton desperate too if we had taken the bait.”

https://csnbbs.com/thread-936097-post-17...id17921653

Yeah, so? Leaving the comfort of the warm blanket we just help create in the new WAC for the cold, harsh unknown that is the new CUSA is a total move of desperation. There must be no other path to FBS in the near future for Tarleton. We were holding out hope that the WAC would present that path. Tarleton has made no bones about wanting FBS from the jump. I personally and selfishly prefer the WAC, but I also trust in Lonn and President Hurley to do what is in the best interest of Tarleton.

Until the “P5” actually break off and make their minor league division to the professionals every conference is a “harsh unknown.” When NMSU joined the WAC back in the days where UTEP, Boise, USU, Nevada, SJSU and others were members we thought we had finally gotten to the conference home we’d been hoping for decades. We all saw how that worked out leading to the WAC we are in now. But there is no guarantee this WAC would stay together too in todays landscape. If FBS is out of the picture there’s nothing stopping the Texas or west division schools from breaking off like the way the MWC formed. It sucks but each school is now in the mode of making the move that’s best for them and conference affiliation be damned.

NMSU was desperate to get into a FBS conference. If we weren’t independent things might have been different. Just as I’m sure now Tarleton has to make a desperation choice. Do you want to go FBS or stay in the WAC hoping one day these other schools will be ready and hoping too much conference shakeup doesn’t happen. UTEP is a perfect example of making a choice to stay with their conference and getting screwed. Years ago they were offered MWC membership. They turned it down because at the time CUSA was stable and a really good conference. In the end all the schools they stayed for (SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Rice, etc) are all gone or leaving and UTEP is left holding the bag much like NMSU was when every other school got poached.

(01-24-2022 11:38 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:16 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Here’s where IgnorantTexan claimed that Tarleton turned down CUSA. He will try and spin it though.

“No the shrivelling and dying CUSA was desperate and grabbed the two most desperate schools from a healthy and expanding WAC. I would call Tarleton desperate too if we had taken the bait.”

https://csnbbs.com/thread-936097-post-17...id17921653

Yeah, so? Leaving the comfort of the warm blanket we just help create in the new WAC for the cold, harsh unknown that is the new CUSA is a total move of desperation. There must be no other path to FBS in the near future for Tarleton. We were holding out hope that the WAC would present that path. Tarleton has made no bones about wanting FBS from the jump. I personally and selfishly prefer the WAC, but I also trust in Lonn and President Hurley to do what is in the best interest of Tarleton.

We’re just posting what a liar and two faced poster you are. You make allegations and statements, but have been shown to be a kook. Tarleton was never offered a spot in CUSA to turn down and if Tarleton is so focus on FBS, they will accept an invite to “crappy” CUSA in 2 seconds.

You know nothing and have no inside information.

(01-25-2022 09:13 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:38 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:16 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Here’s where IgnorantTexan claimed that Tarleton turned down CUSA. He will try and spin it though.

“No the shrivelling and dying CUSA was desperate and grabbed the two most desperate schools from a healthy and expanding WAC. I would call Tarleton desperate too if we had taken the bait.”

https://csnbbs.com/thread-936097-post-17...id17921653

Yeah, so? Leaving the comfort of the warm blanket we just help create in the new WAC for the cold, harsh unknown that is the new CUSA is a total move of desperation. There must be no other path to FBS in the near future for Tarleton. We were holding out hope that the WAC would present that path. Tarleton has made no bones about wanting FBS from the jump. I personally and selfishly prefer the WAC, but I also trust in Lonn and President Hurley to do what is in the best interest of Tarleton.

We’re just posting what a liar and two faced poster you are. You make allegations and statements, but have been shown to be a kook. Tarleton was never offered a spot in CUSA to turn down and if Tarleton is so focus on FBS, they will accept an invite to “crappy” CUSA in 2 seconds.

You know nothing and have no inside information.

Two faced poster? lol Have you any idea just how much of an impossible DB you are? If you check my history, and you obviously are obsessed with it, I'm usually right. Always right? No. But mostly. Why are you so obsessed with Tarleton and what we post about our school? Guaranteed I know more than you on the subject. Look, I know not having football and living out on the fringe sucks, outlier. But don't take it out on me. You're not even on my radar.

(01-25-2022 09:13 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:38 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:16 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Here’s where IgnorantTexan claimed that Tarleton turned down CUSA. He will try and spin it though.

“No the shrivelling and dying CUSA was desperate and grabbed the two most desperate schools from a healthy and expanding WAC. I would call Tarleton desperate too if we had taken the bait.”

https://csnbbs.com/thread-936097-post-17...id17921653

Yeah, so? Leaving the comfort of the warm blanket we just help create in the new WAC for the cold, harsh unknown that is the new CUSA is a total move of desperation. There must be no other path to FBS in the near future for Tarleton. We were holding out hope that the WAC would present that path. Tarleton has made no bones about wanting FBS from the jump. I personally and selfishly prefer the WAC, but I also trust in Lonn and President Hurley to do what is in the best interest of Tarleton.

We’re just posting what a liar and two faced poster you are. You make allegations and statements, but have been shown to be a kook. Tarleton was never offered a spot in CUSA to turn down and if Tarleton is so focus on FBS, they will accept an invite to “crappy” CUSA in 2 seconds.

You know nothing and have no inside information.

IlliterateTexan thinks he's an expert, he doesn't say things from an opinion perspective and everything he says tries to make it look like Tarleton is always working from a position of authority or being in control. Tarleton are D2 moveups!!! Not even FCS. They have no sway over anything. They are the little sister in the corner trying to get into the game.

They didn't sit back to review their options. They weren't waiting to see how the P5 landscape would evolve. They didn't turn down CUSA invites. They weren't playing the slow game. None of that is true.

My two cents: I don't want to leave the WAC. We have a good thing going with more Texas teams now in the conference. I have no idea why Tarleton wants to push to the FBS level when we can barely fill the current stadium.

The facilities are finally being upgraded for all sports and I for one would like to stick around the WAC and build championship caliber programs at the FCS level first before having visions of grandeur of the FBS level.

(01-25-2022 09:36 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 09:13 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:38 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:16 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Here’s where IgnorantTexan claimed that Tarleton turned down CUSA. He will try and spin it though.

“No the shrivelling and dying CUSA was desperate and grabbed the two most desperate schools from a healthy and expanding WAC. I would call Tarleton desperate too if we had taken the bait.”

https://csnbbs.com/thread-936097-post-17...id17921653

Yeah, so? Leaving the comfort of the warm blanket we just help create in the new WAC for the cold, harsh unknown that is the new CUSA is a total move of desperation. There must be no other path to FBS in the near future for Tarleton. We were holding out hope that the WAC would present that path. Tarleton has made no bones about wanting FBS from the jump. I personally and selfishly prefer the WAC, but I also trust in Lonn and President Hurley to do what is in the best interest of Tarleton.

We’re just posting what a liar and two faced poster you are. You make allegations and statements, but have been shown to be a kook. Tarleton was never offered a spot in CUSA to turn down and if Tarleton is so focus on FBS, they will accept an invite to “crappy” CUSA in 2 seconds.

You know nothing and have no inside information.

IlliterateTexan thinks he's an expert, he doesn't say things from an opinion perspective and everything he says tries to make it look like Tarleton is always working from a position of authority or being in control. Tarleton are D2 moveups!!! Not even FCS. They have no sway over anything. They are the little sister in the corner trying to get into the game.

They didn't sit back to review their options. They weren't waiting to see how the P5 landscape would evolve. They didn't turn down CUSA invites. They weren't playing the slow game. None of that is true.

Lol the "little sister" that completely DESTROYED your big bad FBS team? That little sister? Oh wait, you have an excuse for that...

(01-25-2022 12:24 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  My two cents: I don't want to leave the WAC. We have a good thing going with more Texas teams now in the conference. I have no idea why Tarleton wants to push to the FBS level when we can barely fill the current stadium.

The facilities are finally being upgraded for all sports and I for one would like to stick around the WAC and build championship caliber programs at the FCS level first before having visions of grandeur of the FBS level.

I concur. I would prefer to stay in the WAC; it just feels right. However, those FBS payouts are hard to pass up. Look at Sam, they couldn't even fill the bleachers at a jr. high field, yet there they are.

“Too good for CUSA”, but trying to brag about beating future school of said conference. Par for the course.

(01-25-2022 12:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  “Too good for CUSA”, but trying to brag about beating future school of said conference. Par for the course.

That was Tarletons shining moment in the sun. How many others can say they won what was basically a scrimmage? I’m just wondering when they’re gonna put up the banner in the rafters. For NMSU being such a crappy fb school he sure celebrates that win like he won an Olympic medal.

NMSU Obsession: For IlliterateTexan Men

(01-25-2022 02:16 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  “Too good for CUSA”, but trying to brag about beating future school of said conference. Par for the course.

That was Tarletons shining moment in the sun. How many others can say they won what was basically a scrimmage? I’m just wondering when they’re gonna put up the banner in the rafters. For NMSU being such a crappy fb school he sure celebrates that win like he won an Olympic medal.

NMSU Obsession: For IlliterateTexan Men

Trust me when I tell you there are zero obsessions with nmsu, in any regard, from anybody on this board. You are not a state, school or program to be envied. #Posers

Tarleton’s ambitions are driven from two angles.

1.) The university itself (leadership, alumni, etc.)

2.) TAMU System.

The 2nd factor cannot be understated. TAMU is making a concerted effort to elevate the prestige of system institutions (of which TSU is the bell cow).

TAMU System endowment: $13.6 BILLION
NMSU endowment: $235 million

Money plays, and we will all see this play itself out when TSU comes out of all of this conference realignment in a better position than any current WAC member.

(01-25-2022 04:47 PM)TSU’10 Wrote:  Tarleton’s ambitions are driven from two angles.

1.) The university itself (leadership, alumni, etc.)

2.) TAMU System.

The 2nd factor cannot be understated. TAMU is making a concerted effort to elevate the prestige of system institutions (of which TSU is the bell cow).

TAMU System endowment: $13.6 BILLION
NMSU endowment: $235 million

Money plays, and we will all see this play itself out when TSU comes out of all of this conference realignment in a better position than any current WAC member.

I don't know what you are trying to say comparing the TAMU system to NMSU, a university. This is a sports forum. NMSU is and has always been a D1 institution and FBS football member. We aren't trying to catch anyone or compare ourselves to anyone, in the WAC, at least. Tarleton is maybe in the top 30 universities in Texas. Maybe not. I had never heard the name Tarleton State until you joined the WAC (I was very familiar with all of the TX4 when they joined). If TSU is the bell cow of the TAMU system (personally, I think Texas A&M is the bell cow, but what do I know), you have a looooooooooong ways to go.

(01-25-2022 12:40 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:24 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  My two cents: I don't want to leave the WAC. We have a good thing going with more Texas teams now in the conference. I have no idea why Tarleton wants to push to the FBS level when we can barely fill the current stadium.

The facilities are finally being upgraded for all sports and I for one would like to stick around the WAC and build championship caliber programs at the FCS level first before having visions of grandeur of the FBS level.

I concur. I would prefer to stay in the WAC; it just feels right. However, those FBS payouts are hard to pass up. Look at Sam, they couldn't even fill the bleachers at a jr. high field, yet there they are.

Sam Houston dominates on the field. Something Tarleton will never experience.

(01-25-2022 04:47 PM)TSU’10 Wrote:  Tarleton’s ambitions are driven from two angles.

1.) The university itself (leadership, alumni, etc.)

2.) TAMU System.

The 2nd factor cannot be understated. TAMU is making a concerted effort to elevate the prestige of system institutions (of which TSU is the bell cow).

TAMU System endowment: $13.6 BILLION
NMSU endowment: $235 million

Money plays, and we will all see this play itself out when TSU comes out of all of this conference realignment in a better position than any current WAC member.

Hahaha. You’ll be lucky to get into CUSA and be stuck there for years to come. The AAC isn’t going to take some school in a 20,000 person city and the Sun Belt is now focused on the east coast. Best of luck with your fantasies.

(01-25-2022 04:47 PM)TSU’10 Wrote:  Tarleton’s ambitions are driven from two angles.

1.) The university itself (leadership, alumni, etc.)

2.) TAMU System.

The 2nd factor cannot be understated. TAMU is making a concerted effort to elevate the prestige of system institutions (of which TSU is the bell cow).

TAMU System endowment: $13.6 BILLION
NMSU endowment: $235 million

Money plays, and we will all see this play itself out when TSU comes out of all of this conference realignment in a better position than any current WAC member.

Why can't it be understated? Are you trying to say underestimated?

What's your official prediction for how Tarleton comes out of conference realignment? Curious how high you will go. I'm assuming the Big 12 is too bush league to you, so it would almost have to be SEC, right?

(01-24-2022 05:50 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 05:34 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 03:57 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 02:57 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 02:16 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Actually C-USA

Yeah that's what I heard.

Hurley was in Indianapolis last week for the new NCAA Constitution vote. Could of heard something unfavorable for the WAC in regards to the looming "4th Division". If CUSA it is, nice to see we took a step back and did our due diligence. The WAC is a really good place to be right now, but I get it, Hurley has to do what is best for Tarleton long-term.

Weren’t you just saying like two months ago that Tarleton was offered CUSA membership but y’all turned it down because it was a crappy conference? Weird that just a few months later Tarleton would accept on apparently at least the second invite according to Incestry.comTexan.

No, I specifically said we are waiting to see how the new NCAA Constitution and impending D1 split unfolds, that our first choice is the WAC if it can offer any path to FBS. But yes, I do think CUSA is a crappy conference.

CUSA is actually better than both the Sun Belt and the MAC in basketball. Better than MAC in baseball and about equal to Sun Belt. In football I don't think they are as bad as everyone makes them out to be. 3 teams won bowl games last year in the conference and a 4th almost did.

From a competition aspect, CUSA is a very solid conference. The big knock on CUSA like many FBS conferences is it's spread out across States without many "natural" rivalries. However, UTEP and NMSU have a rivalry and probably WKU and MTSU probably have one as well. If another Texas school (SFA or Tarleton) joined CUSA in the future another natural rivalry could/would be added with Sam Houston. And, maybe the deep South schools (Louisiana Tech, Jacksonville State, and Florida International) could create some rivalries... and everyone hates Liberty.

I will miss the WAC. It was finally developing an identity again with the addition of the Texas and Utah schools.

(01-25-2022 07:40 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  From a competition aspect, CUSA is a very solid conference. The big knock on CUSA like many FBS conferences is it's spread out across States without many "natural" rivalries. However, UTEP and NMSU have a rivalry and probably WKU and MTSU probably have one as well. If another Texas school (SFA or Tarleton) joined CUSA in the future another natural rivalry could/would be added with Sam Houston. And, maybe the deep South schools (Louisiana Tech, Jacksonville State, and Florida International) could create some rivalries... and everyone hates Liberty.

I will miss the WAC. It was finally developing an identity again with the addition of the Texas and Utah schools.

In basketball, CUSA won’t be any worse off than they currently are now. Will still be a Top 15ish basketball league. With less teams than currently, it might be a better scenario for UTEP, WKU, MTSU, and LaTech - FIU is hopeless no matter what.

Football, is another story though. CUSA will (and should be) the worst FBS conference there is. If Liberty comes in and starts smoking teams, that’s all you need to know about it’s quality and future.

(01-25-2022 07:53 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 07:40 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  From a competition aspect, CUSA is a very solid conference. The big knock on CUSA like many FBS conferences is it's spread out across States without many "natural" rivalries. However, UTEP and NMSU have a rivalry and probably WKU and MTSU probably have one as well. If another Texas school (SFA or Tarleton) joined CUSA in the future another natural rivalry could/would be added with Sam Houston. And, maybe the deep South schools (Louisiana Tech, Jacksonville State, and Florida International) could create some rivalries... and everyone hates Liberty.

I will miss the WAC. It was finally developing an identity again with the addition of the Texas and Utah schools.

In basketball, CUSA won’t be any worse off than they currently are now. Will still be a Top 15ish basketball league. With less teams than currently, it might be a better scenario for UTEP, WKU, MTSU, and LaTech - FIU is hopeless no matter what.

Football, is another story though. CUSA will (and should be) the worst FBS conference there is. If Liberty comes in and starts smoking teams, that’s all you need to know about it’s quality and future.

The new CUSA is a big upgrade over WAC 3.0 in basketball. They are ranked higher now over the WAC and should go up even higher with the additions of NMSU/Liberty and the removal of several bottom feeders to other conferences.

For WAC 3.0, replacing CSU with UIW and SHSU with SUU is a wash. UTA will bring down the rankings a bit (231 KP, 241 NET). Losing NMSU will greatly affect the WAC rankings yet we would be the #2-3 team in the CUSA rankings. Here are some numbers for reference.

KenPom numbers for the new WAC and new CUSA.
New CUSA #141
New WAC #208

NET numbers for the new WAC and new CUSA.
New CUSA #139
New WAC #207

As for Liberty and football, they are regularly ranked, go to bowl games and win bowl games…as an independent.