(01-25-2022 07:53 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 07:40 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  From a competition aspect, CUSA is a very solid conference. The big knock on CUSA like many FBS conferences is it's spread out across States without many "natural" rivalries. However, UTEP and NMSU have a rivalry and probably WKU and MTSU probably have one as well. If another Texas school (SFA or Tarleton) joined CUSA in the future another natural rivalry could/would be added with Sam Houston. And, maybe the deep South schools (Louisiana Tech, Jacksonville State, and Florida International) could create some rivalries... and everyone hates Liberty.

I will miss the WAC. It was finally developing an identity again with the addition of the Texas and Utah schools.

In basketball, CUSA won’t be any worse off than they currently are now. Will still be a Top 15ish basketball league. With less teams than currently, it might be a better scenario for UTEP, WKU, MTSU, and LaTech - FIU is hopeless no matter what.

Football, is another story though. CUSA will (and should be) the worst FBS conference there is. If Liberty comes in and starts smoking teams, that’s all you need to know about it’s quality and future.

Liberty would probably be dominant in CUSA even if no one left the conference. Liberty has a very deep revenue well to draw from. But looking at last season's bowl results, CUSA is left in decent shape...

Bahamas Bowl... Middle Tennessee (7-6) 31 ... Toledo (7-6) 24
Boca Raton Bowl... Western Kentucky (9-5) 59 ... Appalachian State (10-4) 38
New Mexico Bowl... Fresno State (10-3) 31 ... UTEP (7-6) 24
Lending Tree Bowl... Liberty (8-5) 56 ... Eastern Michigan (7-6) 20

Former-to-be CUSA members
Independence Bowl... UAB (9-5) 31 ... BYU (10-3) 28
New Orleans Bowl... Louisiana (13-1) 36 ... Marshall (7-6) 21
Myrtle Beach Bowl... Tulsa (7-6) 30 ... Old Dominion (6-7) 17
Frisco Bowl... San Diego State (12-2) 38 ... UTSA (12-2) 24
Frisco Football Classic... Miami (OH) (7-6) 27 ... North Texas (6-7) 14

Sam Houston (10-1) is a very strong FCS program. And both New Mexico State (Jerry Kill) and Jacksonville State (Rich Rodriquez) had notable coaching hires.

(01-25-2022 08:27 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 07:53 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 07:40 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  From a competition aspect, CUSA is a very solid conference. The big knock on CUSA like many FBS conferences is it's spread out across States without many "natural" rivalries. However, UTEP and NMSU have a rivalry and probably WKU and MTSU probably have one as well. If another Texas school (SFA or Tarleton) joined CUSA in the future another natural rivalry could/would be added with Sam Houston. And, maybe the deep South schools (Louisiana Tech, Jacksonville State, and Florida International) could create some rivalries... and everyone hates Liberty.

I will miss the WAC. It was finally developing an identity again with the addition of the Texas and Utah schools.

In basketball, CUSA won’t be any worse off than they currently are now. Will still be a Top 15ish basketball league. With less teams than currently, it might be a better scenario for UTEP, WKU, MTSU, and LaTech - FIU is hopeless no matter what.

Football, is another story though. CUSA will (and should be) the worst FBS conference there is. If Liberty comes in and starts smoking teams, that’s all you need to know about it’s quality and future.

The new CUSA is a big upgrade over WAC 3.0 in basketball. They are ranked higher now over the WAC and should go up even higher with the additions of NMSU/Liberty and the removal of several bottom feeders to other conferences.

For WAC 3.0, replacing CSU with UIW and SHSU with SUU is a wash. UTA will bring down the rankings a bit (231 KP, 241 NET). Losing NMSU will greatly affect the WAC rankings yet we would be #2-3 team in the CUSA rankings. Here are some numbers for reference.

KenPom numbers for the new WAC and new CUSA.


New CUSA #141.4

New WAC #208.4

NET numbers for the new WAC and new CUSA.


New CUSA #139

New WAC #207


As for Liberty and football, they are regularly ranked, go to bowl games and win bowl games…as an independent.

They also lose to Syracuse, La-Monroe, Rutgers, NMSU, and UMass.

(01-25-2022 02:16 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  “Too good for CUSA”, but trying to brag about beating future school of said conference. Par for the course.

That was Tarletons shining moment in the sun. How many others can say they won what was basically a scrimmage? I’m just wondering when they’re gonna put up the banner in the rafters. For NMSU being such a crappy fb school he sure celebrates that win like he won an Olympic medal.

NMSU Obsession: For IlliterateTexan Men

It was a royal azz kicking no matter how you try to spin it. Totally embarrassing moment for an Aggie program that is lackluster to say the least. If I was a NMSU fan I'd keep my mouth shut and pretend it never happened instead of continually bringing it up for all to remember the beatdown TSU gave NMSU. And to think, Whitten was nice as it could have been worse. Shellacking is a good word for happened.

(01-25-2022 10:25 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 02:16 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  “Too good for CUSA”, but trying to brag about beating future school of said conference. Par for the course.

That was Tarletons shining moment in the sun. How many others can say they won what was basically a scrimmage? I’m just wondering when they’re gonna put up the banner in the rafters. For NMSU being such a crappy fb school he sure celebrates that win like he won an Olympic medal.

NMSU Obsession: For IlliterateTexan Men

It was a royal azz kicking no matter how you try to spin it. Totally embarrassing moment for an Aggie program that is lackluster to say the least. If I was a NMSU fan I'd keep my mouth shut and pretend it never happened instead of continually bringing it up for all to remember the beatdown TSU gave NMSU. And to think, Whitten was nice as it could have been worse. Shellacking is a good word for happened.

What are you on about? A TSU fan brought it up. We don’t see a need to discuss a season that was, as mentioned, basically a season of scrimmages.

(01-25-2022 11:28 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 10:25 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 02:16 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  “Too good for CUSA”, but trying to brag about beating future school of said conference. Par for the course.

That was Tarletons shining moment in the sun. How many others can say they won what was basically a scrimmage? I’m just wondering when they’re gonna put up the banner in the rafters. For NMSU being such a crappy fb school he sure celebrates that win like he won an Olympic medal.

NMSU Obsession: For IlliterateTexan Men

It was a royal azz kicking no matter how you try to spin it. Totally embarrassing moment for an Aggie program that is lackluster to say the least. If I was a NMSU fan I'd keep my mouth shut and pretend it never happened instead of continually bringing it up for all to remember the beatdown TSU gave NMSU. And to think, Whitten was nice as it could have been worse. Shellacking is a good word for happened.

What are you on about? A TSU fan brought it up. We don’t see a need to discuss a season that was, as mentioned, basically a season of scrimmages.

So that's what football season is called if you are NMSU fan. A season of scrimmages. Yep, I'd come up with another way to deflect all the losing seasons I've endured as well if I were you.

(01-26-2022 12:10 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 11:28 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 10:25 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 02:16 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  “Too good for CUSA”, but trying to brag about beating future school of said conference. Par for the course.

That was Tarletons shining moment in the sun. How many others can say they won what was basically a scrimmage? I’m just wondering when they’re gonna put up the banner in the rafters. For NMSU being such a crappy fb school he sure celebrates that win like he won an Olympic medal.

NMSU Obsession: For IlliterateTexan Men

It was a royal azz kicking no matter how you try to spin it. Totally embarrassing moment for an Aggie program that is lackluster to say the least. If I was a NMSU fan I'd keep my mouth shut and pretend it never happened instead of continually bringing it up for all to remember the beatdown TSU gave NMSU. And to think, Whitten was nice as it could have been worse. Shellacking is a good word for happened.

What are you on about? A TSU fan brought it up. We don’t see a need to discuss a season that was, as mentioned, basically a season of scrimmages.

So that's what football season is called if you are NMSU fan. A season of scrimmages. Yep, I'd come up with another way to deflect all the losing seasons I've endured as well if I were you.

So let me get this straight... I corrected your lie about an NMSU fan bringing up the TSU/NMSU game. Then you deflected by ignoring my correction and accusing ME of deflection. Someone has been spending too much time in the spin room.

(01-25-2022 06:36 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 04:47 PM)TSU’10 Wrote:  Tarleton’s ambitions are driven from two angles.

1.) The university itself (leadership, alumni, etc.)

2.) TAMU System.

The 2nd factor cannot be understated. TAMU is making a concerted effort to elevate the prestige of system institutions (of which TSU is the bell cow).

TAMU System endowment: $13.6 BILLION
NMSU endowment: $235 million

Money plays, and we will all see this play itself out when TSU comes out of all of this conference realignment in a better position than any current WAC member.

Why can't it be understated? Are you trying to say underestimated?

What's your official prediction for how Tarleton comes out of conference realignment? Curious how high you will go. I'm assuming the Big 12 is too bush league to you, so it would almost have to be SEC, right?

Haha. My ‘official prediction’ is TSU lands in the NFC East.

Y’all relax. I’m just saying Tarleton will land as an FBS mid-major.

(01-26-2022 01:01 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:10 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 11:28 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 10:25 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 02:16 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  That was Tarletons shining moment in the sun. How many others can say they won what was basically a scrimmage? I’m just wondering when they’re gonna put up the banner in the rafters. For NMSU being such a crappy fb school he sure celebrates that win like he won an Olympic medal.

NMSU Obsession: For IlliterateTexan Men

It was a royal azz kicking no matter how you try to spin it. Totally embarrassing moment for an Aggie program that is lackluster to say the least. If I was a NMSU fan I'd keep my mouth shut and pretend it never happened instead of continually bringing it up for all to remember the beatdown TSU gave NMSU. And to think, Whitten was nice as it could have been worse. Shellacking is a good word for happened.

What are you on about? A TSU fan brought it up. We don’t see a need to discuss a season that was, as mentioned, basically a season of scrimmages.

So that's what football season is called if you are NMSU fan. A season of scrimmages. Yep, I'd come up with another way to deflect all the losing seasons I've endured as well if I were you.

So let me get this straight... I corrected your lie about an NMSU fan bringing up the TSU/NMSU game. Then you deflected by ignoring my correction and accusing ME of deflection. Someone has been spending too much time in the spin room.

There was no Lie just a fact that Tarleton gave NMSU a beat down in football. Not sure what world you live in. You and others want to downplay it because your embarrassed. Still, kinda funny you do a google search and there it is the score and the game and highlights Try doing a google search on a scrimmage. Btw, arrogance is not a good look.

(01-25-2022 07:53 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 07:40 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  From a competition aspect, CUSA is a very solid conference. The big knock on CUSA like many FBS conferences is it's spread out across States without many "natural" rivalries. However, UTEP and NMSU have a rivalry and probably WKU and MTSU probably have one as well. If another Texas school (SFA or Tarleton) joined CUSA in the future another natural rivalry could/would be added with Sam Houston. And, maybe the deep South schools (Louisiana Tech, Jacksonville State, and Florida International) could create some rivalries... and everyone hates Liberty.

I will miss the WAC. It was finally developing an identity again with the addition of the Texas and Utah schools.

In basketball, CUSA won’t be any worse off than they currently are now. Will still be a Top 15ish basketball league. With less teams than currently, it might be a better scenario for UTEP, WKU, MTSU, and LaTech - FIU is hopeless no matter what.

Football, is another story though. CUSA will (and should be) the worst FBS conference there is. If Liberty comes in and starts smoking teams, that’s all you need to know about it’s quality and future.

The MAC is by far the worst FBS football conference. As it stands now:

-AAC
-MWC
-SunBelt
-CUSA
-MAC

(01-26-2022 08:44 AM)StroKat Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 07:53 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 07:40 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  From a competition aspect, CUSA is a very solid conference. The big knock on CUSA like many FBS conferences is it's spread out across States without many "natural" rivalries. However, UTEP and NMSU have a rivalry and probably WKU and MTSU probably have one as well. If another Texas school (SFA or Tarleton) joined CUSA in the future another natural rivalry could/would be added with Sam Houston. And, maybe the deep South schools (Louisiana Tech, Jacksonville State, and Florida International) could create some rivalries... and everyone hates Liberty.

I will miss the WAC. It was finally developing an identity again with the addition of the Texas and Utah schools.

In basketball, CUSA won’t be any worse off than they currently are now. Will still be a Top 15ish basketball league. With less teams than currently, it might be a better scenario for UTEP, WKU, MTSU, and LaTech - FIU is hopeless no matter what.

Football, is another story though. CUSA will (and should be) the worst FBS conference there is. If Liberty comes in and starts smoking teams, that’s all you need to know about it’s quality and future.

The MAC is by far the worst FBS football conference. As it stands now:

-AAC
-MWC
-SunBelt
-CUSA
-MAC

CUSA has never made a NY6/BCS bowl game. The MAC has been several times. The MAC also has an ESPN contract. CUSA will be lucky to make $100k per team and remain on ESPN+ for their new configuration. If CUSA was truly better, they would be able to claim a better media deal.

(01-26-2022 08:22 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:01 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:10 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 11:28 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 10:25 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  It was a royal azz kicking no matter how you try to spin it. Totally embarrassing moment for an Aggie program that is lackluster to say the least. If I was a NMSU fan I'd keep my mouth shut and pretend it never happened instead of continually bringing it up for all to remember the beatdown TSU gave NMSU. And to think, Whitten was nice as it could have been worse. Shellacking is a good word for happened.

What are you on about? A TSU fan brought it up. We don’t see a need to discuss a season that was, as mentioned, basically a season of scrimmages.

So that's what football season is called if you are NMSU fan. A season of scrimmages. Yep, I'd come up with another way to deflect all the losing seasons I've endured as well if I were you.

So let me get this straight... I corrected your lie about an NMSU fan bringing up the TSU/NMSU game. Then you deflected by ignoring my correction and accusing ME of deflection. Someone has been spending too much time in the spin room.

There was no Lie just a fact that Tarleton gave NMSU a beat down in football. Not sure what world you live in. You and others want to downplay it because your embarrassed. Still, kinda funny you do a google search and there it is the score and the game and highlights Try doing a google search on a scrimmage. Btw, arrogance is not a good look.

Take a look at ESPN's 2020 CFB standings. NMSU's record is 0-0. They had 2 scrimmages in 2021. And for the record, I don't see any NMSU fans making excuses for the TSU game. There are plenty to be made, but no one is making them other than to say the games were scrimmages, because they were. They have never counted in our record. Hang a banner. Brag all you want.

And if I was 97th most well known college in Texas, I'd keep my mouth shut.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...eason/2020

(01-26-2022 09:10 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 08:44 AM)StroKat Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 07:53 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 07:40 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  From a competition aspect, CUSA is a very solid conference. The big knock on CUSA like many FBS conferences is it's spread out across States without many "natural" rivalries. However, UTEP and NMSU have a rivalry and probably WKU and MTSU probably have one as well. If another Texas school (SFA or Tarleton) joined CUSA in the future another natural rivalry could/would be added with Sam Houston. And, maybe the deep South schools (Louisiana Tech, Jacksonville State, and Florida International) could create some rivalries... and everyone hates Liberty.

I will miss the WAC. It was finally developing an identity again with the addition of the Texas and Utah schools.

In basketball, CUSA won’t be any worse off than they currently are now. Will still be a Top 15ish basketball league. With less teams than currently, it might be a better scenario for UTEP, WKU, MTSU, and LaTech - FIU is hopeless no matter what.

Football, is another story though. CUSA will (and should be) the worst FBS conference there is. If Liberty comes in and starts smoking teams, that’s all you need to know about it’s quality and future.

The MAC is by far the worst FBS football conference. As it stands now:

-AAC
-MWC
-SunBelt
-CUSA
-MAC

CUSA has never made a NY6/BCS bowl game. The MAC has been several times. The MAC also has an ESPN contract. CUSA will be lucky to make $100k per team and remain on ESPN+ for their new configuration. If CUSA was truly better, they would be able to claim a better media deal.

I could care less if CUSA is the worst CFB conference. There are only 10 CFP participating conferences: 5 P5 and 5 G5. And NMSU is finally back in one of them. That's good enough for me. Add in the fact that CUSA is a better BB conference and we are in a conference with one of our main rivals? That is just a cherry on top.

Look, I don't want to bash the WAC. They have been good to us. And I was really excited about the TX4 and SUU additions. In season one of WAC 3.0 we can already see the BB is much improved. I wish we could have had more than 2 seasons in WAC 3.0, but FBS football drives the ship.

(01-26-2022 01:46 AM)TSU’10 Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 06:36 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 04:47 PM)TSU’10 Wrote:  Tarleton’s ambitions are driven from two angles.

1.) The university itself (leadership, alumni, etc.)

2.) TAMU System.

The 2nd factor cannot be understated. TAMU is making a concerted effort to elevate the prestige of system institutions (of which TSU is the bell cow).

TAMU System endowment: $13.6 BILLION
NMSU endowment: $235 million

Money plays, and we will all see this play itself out when TSU comes out of all of this conference realignment in a better position than any current WAC member.

Why can't it be understated? Are you trying to say underestimated?

What's your official prediction for how Tarleton comes out of conference realignment? Curious how high you will go. I'm assuming the Big 12 is too bush league to you, so it would almost have to be SEC, right?

Haha. My ‘official prediction’ is TSU lands in the NFC East.

Y’all relax. I’m just saying Tarleton will land as an FBS mid-major.

"I’m just saying Tarleton will land as an FBS mid-major." That's not what you said. What you actually you said was "TSU comes out of all of this conference realignment in a better position than any current WAC member". Really? Better than any current WAC member? NMSU and SHSU are already in an FBS conference. For you to come out better than them, you need to be in a better conference than CUSA. Since there is debate about who is better, the MAC or CUSA, then lets leave those 2 out. You are going to be a member of one of the other 8 CFP conferences? SB? MWC? AAC? B12?

(01-25-2022 10:25 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 02:16 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 12:45 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  “Too good for CUSA”, but trying to brag about beating future school of said conference. Par for the course.

That was Tarletons shining moment in the sun. How many others can say they won what was basically a scrimmage? I’m just wondering when they’re gonna put up the banner in the rafters. For NMSU being such a crappy fb school he sure celebrates that win like he won an Olympic medal.

NMSU Obsession: For IlliterateTexan Men

It was a royal azz kicking no matter how you try to spin it. Totally embarrassing moment for an Aggie program that is lackluster to say the least. If I was a NMSU fan I'd keep my mouth shut and pretend it never happened instead of continually bringing it up for all to remember the beatdown TSU gave NMSU. And to think, Whitten was nice as it could have been worse. Shellacking is a good word for happened.

I agree. Any loss to Tarleton in any sport is an embarrassment.

(01-26-2022 09:30 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:46 AM)TSU’10 Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 06:36 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 04:47 PM)TSU’10 Wrote:  Tarleton’s ambitions are driven from two angles.

1.) The university itself (leadership, alumni, etc.)

2.) TAMU System.

The 2nd factor cannot be understated. TAMU is making a concerted effort to elevate the prestige of system institutions (of which TSU is the bell cow).

TAMU System endowment: $13.6 BILLION
NMSU endowment: $235 million

Money plays, and we will all see this play itself out when TSU comes out of all of this conference realignment in a better position than any current WAC member.

Why can't it be understated? Are you trying to say underestimated?

What's your official prediction for how Tarleton comes out of conference realignment? Curious how high you will go. I'm assuming the Big 12 is too bush league to you, so it would almost have to be SEC, right?

Haha. My ‘official prediction’ is TSU lands in the NFC East.

Y’all relax. I’m just saying Tarleton will land as an FBS mid-major.

"I’m just saying Tarleton will land as an FBS mid-major." That's not what you said. What you actually you said was "TSU comes out of all of this conference realignment in a better position than any current WAC member". Really? Better than any current WAC member? NMSU and SHSU are already in an FBS conference. For you to come out better than them, you need to be in a better conference than CUSA. Since there is debate about who is better, the MAC or CUSA, then lets leave those 2 out. You are going to be a member of one of the other 8 CFP conferences? SB? MWC? AAC? B12?

Just more of Tarleton’s delusions of grandeur. Just like they were the “junkyard dogs” because they caught a couple of teams sleeping, but they still got beat by 15+ Or when they were “calling the shots” in the WAC and turning down CUSA invites. Just a bunch of lies from some fans taking turns posting from the one public computer at the Tarleton City Library.

If any team in the WAC should be able to pump themselves up about their fb program it’s former National Champions Sam Houston St. They won when it matters. During the season. Tarleton fans don’t know that in FBS spring ball is glorified practices. And we all know we got beat. But it was a scrimmage.

NMSU scrimmage = Tarleton Super Bowl.

SammyH > IlliterateTexan

What the heck. Pecking orders change continually. UTA was D-1 in the Southland, along with Lamar, ACU, ASU, Trinity and later, McNeese, Louisiana Tech and USL. The other schools that moved up to the Southland after it became FCS, schools like SFA, SWT and SHSU came from the D-2 Lone Star Conference. That was in the 1970s and later. The main thing, as we have learned so painfully, is that they are playing now and we are not.

I think because of geography, NMSU has had to struggle to keep their program alive. But they have toughed it out and it's great that now they are on the verge of what could be a better conference setup. Any discomfort they may have to endure from beatdowns by "upstarts" really won't matter in the long run.

Good luck to both TSU and NMSU!

(01-26-2022 11:34 AM)wewererebels Wrote:  What the heck. Pecking orders change continually. UTA was D-1 in the Southland, along with Lamar, ACU, ASU, Trinity and later, McNeese, Louisiana Tech and USL. The other schools that moved up to the Southland after it became FCS, schools like SFA, SWT and SHSU came from the D-2 Lone Star Conference. That was in the 1970s and later. The main thing, as we have learned so painfully, is that they are playing now and we are not.

I think because of geography, NMSU has had to struggle to keep their program alive. But they have toughed it out and it's great that now they are on the verge of what could be a better conference setup. Any discomfort they may have to endure from beatdowns by "upstarts" really won't matter in the long run.

Good luck to both TSU and NMSU!

Great post. Thank you rebels. And welcome UTA to the WAC. I think they are a nice addition.

(01-25-2022 08:48 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 08:27 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 07:53 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 07:40 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  From a competition aspect, CUSA is a very solid conference. The big knock on CUSA like many FBS conferences is it's spread out across States without many "natural" rivalries. However, UTEP and NMSU have a rivalry and probably WKU and MTSU probably have one as well. If another Texas school (SFA or Tarleton) joined CUSA in the future another natural rivalry could/would be added with Sam Houston. And, maybe the deep South schools (Louisiana Tech, Jacksonville State, and Florida International) could create some rivalries... and everyone hates Liberty.

I will miss the WAC. It was finally developing an identity again with the addition of the Texas and Utah schools.

In basketball, CUSA won’t be any worse off than they currently are now. Will still be a Top 15ish basketball league. With less teams than currently, it might be a better scenario for UTEP, WKU, MTSU, and LaTech - FIU is hopeless no matter what.

Football, is another story though. CUSA will (and should be) the worst FBS conference there is. If Liberty comes in and starts smoking teams, that’s all you need to know about it’s quality and future.

The new CUSA is a big upgrade over WAC 3.0 in basketball. They are ranked higher now over the WAC and should go up even higher with the additions of NMSU/Liberty and the removal of several bottom feeders to other conferences.

For WAC 3.0, replacing CSU with UIW and SHSU with SUU is a wash. UTA will bring down the rankings a bit (231 KP, 241 NET). Losing NMSU will greatly affect the WAC rankings yet we would be #2-3 team in the CUSA rankings. Here are some numbers for reference.

KenPom numbers for the new WAC and new CUSA.


New CUSA #141.4

New WAC #208.4

NET numbers for the new WAC and new CUSA.


New CUSA #139

New WAC #207


As for Liberty and football, they are regularly ranked, go to bowl games and win bowl games…as an independent.

They also lose to Syracuse, La-Monroe, Rutgers, NMSU, and UMass.

UMass and New Mexico State losses were before they were even fully FBS and Rutgers was their first full year in FBS. Syracuse took Wake Forest to overtime, nearly beat Clemson, and beat Va. Tech and Boston College. ULM loss was inexcusable. Liberty lost 2 safeties the week before and two of the TD's were on busted coverages. ULM was 4-2 at home and nearly beat Louisiana on the road. Liberty is the only team other than App. State to win bowl games their first 3 years in FBS.

(01-26-2022 09:17 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 08:22 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:01 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:10 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 11:28 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  What are you on about? A TSU fan brought it up. We don’t see a need to discuss a season that was, as mentioned, basically a season of scrimmages.

So that's what football season is called if you are NMSU fan. A season of scrimmages. Yep, I'd come up with another way to deflect all the losing seasons I've endured as well if I were you.

So let me get this straight... I corrected your lie about an NMSU fan bringing up the TSU/NMSU game. Then you deflected by ignoring my correction and accusing ME of deflection. Someone has been spending too much time in the spin room.

There was no Lie just a fact that Tarleton gave NMSU a beat down in football. Not sure what world you live in. You and others want to downplay it because your embarrassed. Still, kinda funny you do a google search and there it is the score and the game and highlights Try doing a google search on a scrimmage. Btw, arrogance is not a good look.

Take a look at ESPN's 2020 CFB standings. NMSU's record is 0-0. They had 2 scrimmages in 2021. And for the record, I don't see any NMSU fans making excuses for the TSU game. There are plenty to be made, but no one is making them other than to say the games were scrimmages, because they were. They have never counted in our record. Hang a banner. Brag all you want.

And if I was 97th most well known college in Texas, I'd keep my mouth shut.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...eason/2020

Well, since I wouldn't want to bruise the fragile egos. I'll pose a question to you would the outcome been any different if it had been a game and not a scrimmage?

Yes, Tarleton is so unknown its amazing how we have already scheduled FOOTBALL GAMES with TCU, BAYLOR, TEXAS TECH, and TEXAS A&M. You might want to rethink that statement. I know its hard when your school is basically on a desert island to keep up.

Hey, but at least y'all have those Hatch chilis and great New Mexico mexican food.

(01-26-2022 09:13 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 09:17 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 08:22 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 01:01 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 12:10 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  So that's what football season is called if you are NMSU fan. A season of scrimmages. Yep, I'd come up with another way to deflect all the losing seasons I've endured as well if I were you.

So let me get this straight... I corrected your lie about an NMSU fan bringing up the TSU/NMSU game. Then you deflected by ignoring my correction and accusing ME of deflection. Someone has been spending too much time in the spin room.

There was no Lie just a fact that Tarleton gave NMSU a beat down in football. Not sure what world you live in. You and others want to downplay it because your embarrassed. Still, kinda funny you do a google search and there it is the score and the game and highlights Try doing a google search on a scrimmage. Btw, arrogance is not a good look.

Take a look at ESPN's 2020 CFB standings. NMSU's record is 0-0. They had 2 scrimmages in 2021. And for the record, I don't see any NMSU fans making excuses for the TSU game. There are plenty to be made, but no one is making them other than to say the games were scrimmages, because they were. They have never counted in our record. Hang a banner. Brag all you want.

And if I was 97th most well known college in Texas, I'd keep my mouth shut.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...eason/2020

Well, since I wouldn't want to bruise the fragile egos. I'll pose a question to you would the outcome been any different if it had been a game and not a scrimmage?

Yes, Tarleton is so unknown its amazing how we have already scheduled FOOTBALL GAMES with TCU, BAYLOR, TEXAS TECH, and TEXAS A&M. You might want to rethink that statement. I know its hard when your school is basically on a desert island to keep up.

Hey, but at least y'all have those Hatch chilis and great New Mexico mexican food.

Cmon brother, I drinks a lot of purple drank but our Texans are on these schedules because everyone of them needs an FCS money game and they don't expect us to be very good.