(01-18-2022 04:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There is a news article that the MAAC are looking to expand to grab schools from the NEC. NEC might be the next one to be picked apart.

That would make a lot of sense. Crap moves downstream.

Amazing all the ripples from the Texas/Oklahoma moves. And I don't think we're close to being done with those at all. (and really even the Loyola move to the A10).

(01-18-2022 04:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  There is a news article that the MAAC are looking to expand to grab schools from the NEC. NEC might be the next one to be picked apart.

That is is purely the article author's speculation, based on Monmouth and Quinnipiac having come from the NEC. What the MAAC commissioner said is they prefer more, 12 being ideal, and they prefer an even number for scheduling. He also said these things are not overnight take years. Nothing imminent, no targets mentioned.

Stop taking speculation by a writer as being a directive from the conference.

I still can’t imagine this being a really popular addition for all. Between them and Hampton, which don’t make CAAF stronger in any ways, but at least puts/returns flags into the Virginia Beach area and now NJ.

I have to believe there is something else going on here.

And I am crossing my fingers Stony Brook decides to stay in AmEast. This isn’t the same CAA they wanted years back, and it stinks of a consolation prize for not achieving something better when they had their collection plates passed around saying they were going bigger and better. This isn’t either of those things, other than a bigger travel budget for a single-bid league.

(01-18-2022 03:11 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Nobody will leave the MEAC as long as Howard stays. They are the glue. Nobody wants to be the one to break it up.

Also the racial guilt movement has hit much of corporate America, and literally $Billions are being directed at race based organizations (image taken from a NY Times op-ed piece, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/opini...itics.html)


The MEAC is one of the potential beneficiaries; the cash infusion improves it's value just at the moment it appeared near death. This is not the time for most schools to leave an HBCU organization --financially speaking. Howard's flirtation, like Hampton's move, is an attempt to cash in on that equity by moving "up" in status (CAA >> MEAC in institutional eyes).

ESPN is putting more HBCU games on it's prime channels, and there are other opportunities that were not there a couple years ago. It's suddenly far more attractive to be a member. (I am not convinced the MEAC has the leader to capitalize on this opportunity, but I do think the SWAC does.)

Anyway, this is a long winded way of saying the window has probably closed for the next few years on the Big South being able to pull NC Central, SC State and/or Norfolk State from the MEAC.

Are there metrics suggesting donations to Hampton and NC A&T declined, or that Hampton and NC A&T are missing out on an HBCU donation windfall because of their moves to Big South?

(01-18-2022 05:03 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I still can’t imagine this being a really popular addition for all. Between them and Hampton, which don’t make CAAF stronger in any ways, but at least puts/returns flags into the Virginia Beach area and now NJ.

I have to believe there is something else going on here.

And I am crossing my fingers Stony Brook decides to stay in AmEast. This isn’t the same CAA they wanted years back, and it stinks of a consolation prize for not achieving something better when they had their collection plates passed around saying they were going bigger and better. This isn’t either of those things, other than a bigger travel budget for a single-bid league.

Stony Brook to the CAA gives them better basketball, better baseball, better lacrosse, better exposure and more efficient travel. There’s no incentive for them to stay in the AE.

(01-18-2022 12:00 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 11:45 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 11:39 AM)Bogg Wrote:  Flipping MAAC teams would be cleanest, but I don't think losing Monmouth and Fairfield would have the MAAC presidents THAT antsy.

America East won’t be so lucky. The Metro Atlantic will be fine.

Probably. AE has to at least try on QU and Marist, but I don't think they can get it done. Sacred Heart is probably ambitious enough to park football in the Big South for a MAAC invite - they've been spending a relative ton on that campus.

Why Marist? What would put them on a list?

(01-18-2022 01:08 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  Fairfield can still get in to the CAA if Hampton's invitation is delivered to the wrong hotel...

I don't get it. What is this referencing?

(01-18-2022 05:54 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:08 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  Fairfield can still get in to the CAA if Hampton's invitation is delivered to the wrong hotel...

I don't get it. What is this referencing?

Hampton Inn
Fairfield Inn

(01-18-2022 06:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:54 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:08 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  Fairfield can still get in to the CAA if Hampton's invitation is delivered to the wrong hotel...

I don't get it. What is this referencing?

Hampton Inn
Fairfield Inn

Perhaps Howard will absorb fellow HBCU Johnson C. Smith to create Howard Johnson?

(01-18-2022 06:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:54 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:08 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  Fairfield can still get in to the CAA if Hampton's invitation is delivered to the wrong hotel...

I don't get it. What is this referencing?

Hampton Inn
Fairfield Inn

Perhaps Howard will absorb fellow HBCU Johnson C. Smith to create Howard Johnson?

If there's ever a Marriott University, sportswriters will cover the crap out of it.

There *is* a Spring Hill in Division 2 but they're no risk to move up, most likely.

(01-18-2022 06:20 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:54 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:08 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  Fairfield can still get in to the CAA if Hampton's invitation is delivered to the wrong hotel...

I don't get it. What is this referencing?

Hampton Inn
Fairfield Inn

Perhaps Howard will absorb fellow HBCU Johnson C. Smith to create Howard Johnson?

If there's ever a Marriott University, sportswriters will cover the crap out of it.

There *is* a Spring Hill in Division 2 but they're no risk to move up, most likely.

If Fairfield and Marist goes to the CAA along Marist? That means MAAC have to get 4 schools from NEC to get to 12. AEC would get one from NEC. NEC would be in trouble. Bentley, New Haven and Stonehill from NEC 10 would be called up.

Post as a for profit NEC
Thomas Jefferson NEC
UNC-Pembroke Big South
Francis Marion Big South
Mount Olive Big South
North Greenville Big South
Queens College AEC
Staten Island AEC
Mercy NEC
Frostberg State AEC or Big South
U. of Charleston NEC
Pace NEC
S. Conn. State AEC
Le moyne NEC
West Chester, Indiana PA, Kutztown AEC
Gannon NEC
Shepherd Big South


I am not saying they all going to D1, but they are possible targets for the three conferences could look at.

(01-18-2022 07:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:20 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:54 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I don't get it. What is this referencing?

Hampton Inn
Fairfield Inn

Perhaps Howard will absorb fellow HBCU Johnson C. Smith to create Howard Johnson?

If there's ever a Marriott University, sportswriters will cover the crap out of it.

There *is* a Spring Hill in Division 2 but they're no risk to move up, most likely.

If Fairfield and Marist goes to the CAA along Marist? That means MAAC have to get 4 schools from NEC to get to 12. AEC would get one from NEC. NEC would be in trouble. Bentley, New Haven and Stonehill from NEC 10 would be called up.

Post as a for profit NEC
Thomas Jefferson NEC - Under 4K undergrads
UNC-Pembroke Big South
Francis Marion Big South Under 4K undergrads
Mount Olive Big South Under 4K undergrads
North Greenville Big South Under 3K undergrads
Queens College AEC
Staten Island AEC
Mercy NEC
Frostberg State AEC or Big South - 4K undergrad
U. of Charleston NEC - Under 1.5K Undergrad
Pace NEC
S. Conn. State AEC
Le moyne NEC - Under 3K Undergrad
West Chester, Indiana PA, Kutztown AEC
Gannon NEC - Under 4K undergrads
Shepherd Big South - Under 3K Undergrad


I am not saying they all going to D1, but they are possible targets for the three conferences could look at.

So another random list with no basis in thought or fact.

Got it.

Show valid, recent links that EVERY one is interested in DI

George Washington/Thomas Jefferson is a potential big time D1 rivalry.

(01-18-2022 06:20 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:54 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:08 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  Fairfield can still get in to the CAA if Hampton's invitation is delivered to the wrong hotel...

I don't get it. What is this referencing?

Hampton Inn
Fairfield Inn

Perhaps Howard will absorb fellow HBCU Johnson C. Smith to create Howard Johnson?

If there's ever a Marriott University, sportswriters will cover the crap out of it.

There *is* a Spring Hill in Division 2 but they're no risk to move up, most likely.

Drury University was unavailable for comment, as was Clarion University of Pennsylvania.

(01-18-2022 07:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 07:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:20 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Hampton Inn
Fairfield Inn

Perhaps Howard will absorb fellow HBCU Johnson C. Smith to create Howard Johnson?

If there's ever a Marriott University, sportswriters will cover the crap out of it.

There *is* a Spring Hill in Division 2 but they're no risk to move up, most likely.

If Fairfield and Marist goes to the CAA along Marist? That means MAAC have to get 4 schools from NEC to get to 12. AEC would get one from NEC. NEC would be in trouble. Bentley, New Haven and Stonehill from NEC 10 would be called up.

Post as a for profit NEC
Thomas Jefferson NEC
UNC-Pembroke Big South
Francis Marion Big South
Mount Olive Big South
North Greenville Big South
Queens College AEC
Staten Island AEC
Mercy NEC
Frostberg State AEC or Big South
U. of Charleston NEC
Pace NEC
S. Conn. State AEC
Le moyne NEC
West Chester, Indiana PA, Kutztown AEC
Gannon NEC
Shepherd Big South


I am not saying they all going to D1, but they are possible targets for the three conferences could look at.

So another random list with no basis in thought or fact.

Got it.

It is all speculations right now, and we need to think outside of the box. AEC might be able to sponsor football in the future if they bring up D2 schools with football along with Central Connecticutt State and the three AEC schools that do play football. They might be able to get URI as a football affiliate.

I still have not seen any credible rumors about Marist to the CAA, even the Fairfield talk seems to have died down a lot.

(01-18-2022 07:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:20 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:54 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I don't get it. What is this referencing?

Hampton Inn
Fairfield Inn

Perhaps Howard will absorb fellow HBCU Johnson C. Smith to create Howard Johnson?

If there's ever a Marriott University, sportswriters will cover the crap out of it.

There *is* a Spring Hill in Division 2 but they're no risk to move up, most likely.

If Fairfield and Marist goes to the CAA along Marist? That means MAAC have to get 4 schools from NEC to get to 12. AEC would get one from NEC. NEC would be in trouble. Bentley, New Haven and Stonehill from NEC 10 would be called up.

Post as a for profit NEC
Thomas Jefferson NEC
UNC-Pembroke Big South
Francis Marion Big South
Mount Olive Big South
North Greenville Big South
Queens College AEC
Staten Island AEC
Mercy NEC
Frostberg State AEC or Big South
U. of Charleston NEC
Pace NEC
S. Conn. State AEC
Le moyne NEC
West Chester, Indiana PA, Kutztown AEC
Gannon NEC
Shepherd Big South


I am not saying they all going to D1, but they are possible targets for the three conferences could look at.

I predict that in the next 25-30 yrs, someone on this list will move to DI and once again this board will declare David to be an ingenious prophet.

(01-18-2022 07:12 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:20 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 05:54 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I don't get it. What is this referencing?

Hampton Inn
Fairfield Inn

Perhaps Howard will absorb fellow HBCU Johnson C. Smith to create Howard Johnson?

If there's ever a Marriott University, sportswriters will cover the crap out of it.

There *is* a Spring Hill in Division 2 but they're no risk to move up, most likely.

If Fairfield and Marist goes to the CAA along Marist? That means MAAC have to get 4 schools from NEC to get to 12. AEC would get one from NEC. NEC would be in trouble. Bentley, New Haven and Stonehill from NEC 10 would be called up.

Post as a for profit NEC
Thomas Jefferson NEC
UNC-Pembroke Big South
Francis Marion Big South
Mount Olive Big South
North Greenville Big South
Queens College AEC
Staten Island AEC
Mercy NEC
Frostberg State AEC or Big South
U. of Charleston NEC
Pace NEC
S. Conn. State AEC
Le moyne NEC
West Chester, Indiana PA, Kutztown AEC
Gannon NEC
Shepherd Big South


I am not saying they all going to D1, but they are possible targets for the three conferences could look at.

David has no idea where Shepherd is other than it is in WV. No way it would be a Big South school when the nearest D1 school to the place is Mount St. Mary. It moved to PSAC since it was closer to half the schools in that conference than to any Mountain East school.

The PASSHE schools really don't have the money to go D1, save maybe for West Chester. IUP has a $7 million dollar endowment. Even West Chester's is only ~$40 million. The lowest in the American East is Albany, with $77 million.

PA is closing down/merging a lot of the campuses at the moment. Maybe in 10 years some of the post-merger schools would consider moving up, since they should have more resources, students, and money.

(01-18-2022 07:59 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I still have not seen any credible rumors about Marist to the CAA, even the Fairfield talk seems to have died down a lot.

Yeah it was that 1 tweet from months ago, I bet he meant to put Fairfield instead of Marist.