(01-19-2022 10:36 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I think the P-5 should cut back the number conference games and in place of the 12th game being their own 4 school playoff for the league title which is itself and ticket to the playoff.

Using this year for example:

ACC - Pitt/NC State/WF/Clemson
SEC - Bama/UGa/Ole Miss/Kentucky
B10 - Ohio State/MSU/Michigan/Iowa
P12 - Utah/Oregon/ASU/UCLA
B12 - OU/Baylor/Ok State/?
American - Cincy/Houston/UCF/?

At the end of that, the Big 10 winner hosts the Rose Bowl, ACC winner hosts the Orange Bowl, SEC winner hosts the Sugar Bowl, and the P12 winner can host the Fiesta Bowl or play in the Rose Bowl.

Rated 1 Sugar - Bama plays Notre Dame - rated 8th and without host bowl
Rated 3 Orange - Pitt - plays Georgia - rated 6fh as SEC runner up
Rated 2 Rose - Michigan - plays Cincy - rated 7th as American champ without host bowl.
Rated 4 Fiesta -Utah plays Ok State B12 Champ and highest rated without without host bowl.

Play games on December 31st and January 1.

Peach and Cotton or any other hosts get the winners. Peach gets Sugar and Orange. Cotton gets Rose and Fiesta - play games January 9 and 10.

Championship game is a week later at any site.

Opens Peach and Cotton bowls back up as real NYD bowl games. Caps all games at 16. Conference winners will have played 13 games as they do now.

While the P-5 champs get an automatic spot, the 3 best schools can't really miss out unless they are blackballed at selection time. Each year you might get 1-2 "undeserving" schools, but if they are truly undeserving, they will get their ass kicked. And using the above example, I would expect Georgia to stomp Pitt pretty well and I expect Alabama to stomp ND also. But those other two games - they are a mystery and it may be that Utah and Cincy agree to switch for Rose Bowl tradition.

Agree that this is the vision that Phillips and the ACC will try to sell over the next couple of years. A 5-1-2 format, with a 16 game maximum. His talking points will be safety and player-welfare. He'll use coaches and players to make the case...and try to obtain converts.

Unfortunately for Phillips, Sankey and ESPN have done a masterful job discrediting the more modest expansion. This proposal has been labelled a crass attempt to force Notre Dame into the ACC (even though ND has increased opportunity to make the playoffs and the rationale for staying independent remains). To date, Phillips has gained little popular backing...and no other decision-makers are expressing support.

(01-20-2022 11:48 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:36 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I think the P-5 should cut back the number conference games and in place of the 12th game being their own 4 school playoff for the league title which is itself and ticket to the playoff.

Using this year for example:

ACC - Pitt/NC State/WF/Clemson
SEC - Bama/UGa/Ole Miss/Kentucky
B10 - Ohio State/MSU/Michigan/Iowa
P12 - Utah/Oregon/ASU/UCLA
B12 - OU/Baylor/Ok State/?
American - Cincy/Houston/UCF/?

At the end of that, the Big 10 winner hosts the Rose Bowl, ACC winner hosts the Orange Bowl, SEC winner hosts the Sugar Bowl, and the P12 winner can host the Fiesta Bowl or play in the Rose Bowl.

Rated 1 Sugar - Bama plays Notre Dame - rated 8th and without host bowl
Rated 3 Orange - Pitt - plays Georgia - rated 6fh as SEC runner up
Rated 2 Rose - Michigan - plays Cincy - rated 7th as American champ without host bowl.
Rated 4 Fiesta -Utah plays Ok State B12 Champ and highest rated without without host bowl.

Play games on December 31st and January 1.

Peach and Cotton or any other hosts get the winners. Peach gets Sugar and Orange. Cotton gets Rose and Fiesta - play games January 9 and 10.

Championship game is a week later at any site.

Opens Peach and Cotton bowls back up as real NYD bowl games. Caps all games at 16. Conference winners will have played 13 games as they do now.

While the P-5 champs get an automatic spot, the 3 best schools can't really miss out unless they are blackballed at selection time. Each year you might get 1-2 "undeserving" schools, but if they are truly undeserving, they will get their ass kicked. And using the above example, I would expect Georgia to stomp Pitt pretty well and I expect Alabama to stomp ND also. But those other two games - they are a mystery and it may be that Utah and Cincy agree to switch for Rose Bowl tradition.

Agree that this is the vision that Phillips and the ACC will try to sell over the next couple of years. A 5-1-2 format, with a 16 game maximum. His talking points will be safety and player-welfare. He'll use coaches and players to make the case...and try to obtain converts.

Unfortunately for Phillips, Sankey and ESPN have done a masterful job discrediting the more modest expansion. This proposal has been labelled a crass attempt to force Notre Dame into the ACC (even though ND has increased opportunity to make the playoffs and the rationale for staying independent remains). To date, Phillips has gained little popular backing...and no other decision-makers are expressing support.

8 of the 11 think the P5 autobids is a bad idea. And Pac 12 doesn't care that much.

(01-20-2022 12:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:48 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:36 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I think the P-5 should cut back the number conference games and in place of the 12th game being their own 4 school playoff for the league title which is itself and ticket to the playoff.

Using this year for example:

ACC - Pitt/NC State/WF/Clemson
SEC - Bama/UGa/Ole Miss/Kentucky
B10 - Ohio State/MSU/Michigan/Iowa
P12 - Utah/Oregon/ASU/UCLA
B12 - OU/Baylor/Ok State/?
American - Cincy/Houston/UCF/?

At the end of that, the Big 10 winner hosts the Rose Bowl, ACC winner hosts the Orange Bowl, SEC winner hosts the Sugar Bowl, and the P12 winner can host the Fiesta Bowl or play in the Rose Bowl.

Rated 1 Sugar - Bama plays Notre Dame - rated 8th and without host bowl
Rated 3 Orange - Pitt - plays Georgia - rated 6fh as SEC runner up
Rated 2 Rose - Michigan - plays Cincy - rated 7th as American champ without host bowl.
Rated 4 Fiesta -Utah plays Ok State B12 Champ and highest rated without without host bowl.

Play games on December 31st and January 1.

Peach and Cotton or any other hosts get the winners. Peach gets Sugar and Orange. Cotton gets Rose and Fiesta - play games January 9 and 10.

Championship game is a week later at any site.

Opens Peach and Cotton bowls back up as real NYD bowl games. Caps all games at 16. Conference winners will have played 13 games as they do now.

While the P-5 champs get an automatic spot, the 3 best schools can't really miss out unless they are blackballed at selection time. Each year you might get 1-2 "undeserving" schools, but if they are truly undeserving, they will get their ass kicked. And using the above example, I would expect Georgia to stomp Pitt pretty well and I expect Alabama to stomp ND also. But those other two games - they are a mystery and it may be that Utah and Cincy agree to switch for Rose Bowl tradition.

Agree that this is the vision that Phillips and the ACC will try to sell over the next couple of years. A 5-1-2 format, with a 16 game maximum. His talking points will be safety and player-welfare. He'll use coaches and players to make the case...and try to obtain converts.

Unfortunately for Phillips, Sankey and ESPN have done a masterful job discrediting the more modest expansion. This proposal has been labelled a crass attempt to force Notre Dame into the ACC (even though ND has increased opportunity to make the playoffs and the rationale for staying independent remains). To date, Phillips has gained little popular backing...and no other decision-makers are expressing support.

8 of the 11 think the P5 autobids is a bad idea. And Pac 12 doesn't care that much.

I agree, which IMO is a good reason for the ACC not wanting to go along with early playoff expansion. If they know their preferences would lose now, better to wait a couple more years to make a decision, which gives them more time to change minds, or maybe events will develop that cause others to change their minds.

(01-20-2022 12:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 12:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:48 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:36 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I think the P-5 should cut back the number conference games and in place of the 12th game being their own 4 school playoff for the league title which is itself and ticket to the playoff.

Using this year for example:

ACC - Pitt/NC State/WF/Clemson
SEC - Bama/UGa/Ole Miss/Kentucky
B10 - Ohio State/MSU/Michigan/Iowa
P12 - Utah/Oregon/ASU/UCLA
B12 - OU/Baylor/Ok State/?
American - Cincy/Houston/UCF/?

At the end of that, the Big 10 winner hosts the Rose Bowl, ACC winner hosts the Orange Bowl, SEC winner hosts the Sugar Bowl, and the P12 winner can host the Fiesta Bowl or play in the Rose Bowl.

Rated 1 Sugar - Bama plays Notre Dame - rated 8th and without host bowl
Rated 3 Orange - Pitt - plays Georgia - rated 6fh as SEC runner up
Rated 2 Rose - Michigan - plays Cincy - rated 7th as American champ without host bowl.
Rated 4 Fiesta -Utah plays Ok State B12 Champ and highest rated without without host bowl.

Play games on December 31st and January 1.

Peach and Cotton or any other hosts get the winners. Peach gets Sugar and Orange. Cotton gets Rose and Fiesta - play games January 9 and 10.

Championship game is a week later at any site.

Opens Peach and Cotton bowls back up as real NYD bowl games. Caps all games at 16. Conference winners will have played 13 games as they do now.

While the P-5 champs get an automatic spot, the 3 best schools can't really miss out unless they are blackballed at selection time. Each year you might get 1-2 "undeserving" schools, but if they are truly undeserving, they will get their ass kicked. And using the above example, I would expect Georgia to stomp Pitt pretty well and I expect Alabama to stomp ND also. But those other two games - they are a mystery and it may be that Utah and Cincy agree to switch for Rose Bowl tradition.

Agree that this is the vision that Phillips and the ACC will try to sell over the next couple of years. A 5-1-2 format, with a 16 game maximum. His talking points will be safety and player-welfare. He'll use coaches and players to make the case...and try to obtain converts.

Unfortunately for Phillips, Sankey and ESPN have done a masterful job discrediting the more modest expansion. This proposal has been labelled a crass attempt to force Notre Dame into the ACC (even though ND has increased opportunity to make the playoffs and the rationale for staying independent remains). To date, Phillips has gained little popular backing...and no other decision-makers are expressing support.

8 of the 11 think the P5 autobids is a bad idea. And Pac 12 doesn't care that much.

I agree, which IMO is a good reason for the ACC not wanting to go along with early playoff expansion. If they know their preferences would lose now, better to wait a couple more years to make a decision, which gives them more time to change minds, or maybe events will develop that cause others to change their minds.

The problem is for the next contract, realistically they'll be starting to do that next year. It's not like that much longer of a wait.

I think TV is going to make it where they can't not expand to 12. 8 games that would be very well viewed.