(01-18-2022 09:53 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine

This was taken from COVID 101 site



So, Tom while it’s not common doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

You are so blinded in your ideology you can no longer even come to reasonable or rational decisions. You try to defend an ideology that in itself goes against every moral code known to man. Blind subjugation Tom

That’s where you are in life at this very moment.

As with every vaccine ever developed, some people will develop complications directly from it and die. Some have died from the COVID vaccines as well. But it's extremely rare. I've never said otherwise.

That being said, VAERS is not verified data. It's just a site where A N Y O N E can file a report saying a vaccine caused a death. Doesn't mean it did. Any reports of deaths due directly to a vaccine are actually investigated by the CDC. And the deaths you site above are only for fully vaccinated people. Again, just means they died, not that a vaccine caused it.

I think you're conflating others comments to me for stuff I never said. Please be careful.

(01-18-2022 11:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 09:53 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine

This was taken from COVID 101 site



So, Tom while it’s not common doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

You are so blinded in your ideology you can no longer even come to reasonable or rational decisions. You try to defend an ideology that in itself goes against every moral code known to man. Blind subjugation Tom

That’s where you are in life at this very moment.

As with every vaccine ever developed, some people will develop complications directly from it and die. Some have died from the COVID vaccines as well. But it's extremely rare. I've never said otherwise.

That being said, VAERS is not verified data. It's just a site where A N Y O N E can file a report saying a vaccine caused a death. Doesn't mean it did. Any reports of deaths due directly to a vaccine are actually investigated by the CDC. And the deaths you site above are only for fully vaccinated people. Again, just means they died, not that a vaccine caused it.

I think you're conflating others comments to me for stuff I never said. Please be careful.

Get 5 more jabs. Be super sure

(01-14-2022 01:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:22 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:03 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 02:54 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 02:52 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  They can't mandate them. Lol

Actually they can. What they are saying is that OSHA can't fine companies for not having the mandate.

That’s not what the majority said

I probably didn't write that well. I meant that individual companies can still mandate vaccines if they want. It's just blocking the White House from mandating that companies mandate vaccines.

And get sued and pay a heavy price. Its discriminatory in nature.

FWIW - Most every company in every state is totally within their rights to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. There's only a few exceptions for disabilities and religious grounds.

(01-18-2022 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:22 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:03 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 02:54 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Actually they can. What they are saying is that OSHA can't fine companies for not having the mandate.

That’s not what the majority said

I probably didn't write that well. I meant that individual companies can still mandate vaccines if they want. It's just blocking the White House from mandating that companies mandate vaccines.

And get sued and pay a heavy price. Its discriminatory in nature.

FWIW - Most every company in every state is totally within their rights to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. There's only a few exceptions for disabilities and religious grounds.

So why arent they doing it then?

(01-18-2022 02:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:22 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:03 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  That’s not what the majority said

I probably didn't write that well. I meant that individual companies can still mandate vaccines if they want. It's just blocking the White House from mandating that companies mandate vaccines.

And get sued and pay a heavy price. Its discriminatory in nature.

FWIW - Most every company in every state is totally within their rights to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. There's only a few exceptions for disabilities and religious grounds.

So why arent they doing it then?

A list

Not sure if you meant why aren't they allowing exceptions or not requiring it because there are quite a few businesses requiring it.

(01-18-2022 02:47 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 02:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:22 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I probably didn't write that well. I meant that individual companies can still mandate vaccines if they want. It's just blocking the White House from mandating that companies mandate vaccines.

And get sued and pay a heavy price. Its discriminatory in nature.

FWIW - Most every company in every state is totally within their rights to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. There's only a few exceptions for disabilities and religious grounds.

So why arent they doing it then?

A list

Not sure if you meant why aren't they allowing exceptions or not requiring it because there are quite a few businesses requiring it.

Behind a paywall. Supply the list of companies.

(01-18-2022 02:50 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 02:47 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 02:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  And get sued and pay a heavy price. Its discriminatory in nature.

FWIW - Most every company in every state is totally within their rights to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. There's only a few exceptions for disabilities and religious grounds.

So why arent they doing it then?

A list

Not sure if you meant why aren't they allowing exceptions or not requiring it because there are quite a few businesses requiring it.

Behind a paywall. Supply the list of companies.

Sorry about that. It lets you view a couple pages for free. Looks like ass because of the format on the page but you get the idea.

Company Industry Vaccine requirement for some staff? Termination for noncompliance? Incentives for vaccination?
Albertsons Retail Yes — $100
Anthem Health Care Yes — —
AstraZeneca Health Care Yes — —
AT&T Telecommunications Yes — —
BlackRock Asset Management Yes — —
Capital One Banking Yes — —
Centene Health Care Yes — Up to 10 days of paid leave, $1,000 discount on health premiums
Chevron Energy Yes — —
Cigna Health Care Yes — $200
Citigroup Banking Yes — —
Comcast Media Yes — —
CVS Health Care Yes Yes —
Deloitte Professional Services Yes — —
Disney Entertainment Yes — —
DoorDash Technology Yes — —
Equinox Fitness Yes — —
Facebook Technology Yes — —
Ford Autos Yes — —
Frontier Airlines Transportation Yes — —
Gap Retail Yes — Weekly drawings to win $1000
Gilead Health Care Yes — —
Goldman Sachs Banking Yes — —
Google Technology Yes — —
Hasbro Consumer Goods Yes — —
Hawaiian Air Transportation Yes — —
Hershey Food Yes — Four hours pay for front-line employees
Hess Energy Yes — —
Humana Health Care Yes Yes Reward points as part of existing employee incentive program
Jefferies Banking Yes — —
Johnson & Johnson Health Care Yes Yes —
Kraft Heinz Food Yes Yes None for office staff. Non-mandated employees get one paid floating holiday
Lyft Technology Yes — —
McDonald's Restaurants Yes — Four hours pay
MGM Resorts Entertainment Yes — —
Microsoft Technology Yes — —
Moderna Health Care Yes — —
Morgan Stanley Banking Yes — —
Pfizer Health Care Yes — —
Pioneer Natural Resources Energy Yes — $1,000
Related Real Estate Yes Yes —
Roblox Technology Yes — —
Salesforce Technology Yes — —
TJX Retail Yes Yes —
Tyson Foods Food Yes — $200 and up to 4 hours pay to frontline workers/lottery of $10,000 per week for five weeks for getting at least one dose
Uber Technology Yes — —
United Airlines Transportation Yes Yes Extra day of pay
UPS Logistics Yes — —
Walgreens Health Care Yes — —
Walmart Retail Yes Yes $150 for store/warehouse workers only
Washington Post Media Yes Yes —

(01-18-2022 03:14 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 02:50 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 02:47 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 02:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  FWIW - Most every company in every state is totally within their rights to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. There's only a few exceptions for disabilities and religious grounds.

So why arent they doing it then?

A list

Not sure if you meant why aren't they allowing exceptions or not requiring it because there are quite a few businesses requiring it.

Behind a paywall. Supply the list of companies.

Sorry about that. It lets you view a couple pages for free. Looks like ass because of the format on the page but you get the idea.

Company Industry Vaccine requirement for some staff? Termination for noncompliance? Incentives for vaccination?
Albertsons Retail Yes — $100
Anthem Health Care Yes — —
AstraZeneca Health Care Yes — —
AT&T Telecommunications Yes — —
BlackRock Asset Management Yes — —
Capital One Banking Yes — —
Centene Health Care Yes — Up to 10 days of paid leave, $1,000 discount on health premiums
Chevron Energy Yes — —
Cigna Health Care Yes — $200
Citigroup Banking Yes — —
Comcast Media Yes — —
CVS Health Care Yes Yes —
Deloitte Professional Services Yes — —
Disney Entertainment Yes — —
DoorDash Technology Yes — —
Equinox Fitness Yes — —
Facebook Technology Yes — —
Ford Autos Yes — —
Frontier Airlines Transportation Yes — —
Gap Retail Yes — Weekly drawings to win $1000
Gilead Health Care Yes — —
Goldman Sachs Banking Yes — —
Google Technology Yes — —
Hasbro Consumer Goods Yes — —
Hawaiian Air Transportation Yes — —
Hershey Food Yes — Four hours pay for front-line employees
Hess Energy Yes — —
Humana Health Care Yes Yes Reward points as part of existing employee incentive program
Jefferies Banking Yes — —
Johnson & Johnson Health Care Yes Yes —
Kraft Heinz Food Yes Yes None for office staff. Non-mandated employees get one paid floating holiday
Lyft Technology Yes — —
McDonald's Restaurants Yes — Four hours pay
MGM Resorts Entertainment Yes — —
Microsoft Technology Yes — —
Moderna Health Care Yes — —
Morgan Stanley Banking Yes — —
Pfizer Health Care Yes — —
Pioneer Natural Resources Energy Yes — $1,000
Related Real Estate Yes Yes —
Roblox Technology Yes — —
Salesforce Technology Yes — —
TJX Retail Yes Yes —
Tyson Foods Food Yes — $200 and up to 4 hours pay to frontline workers/lottery of $10,000 per week for five weeks for getting at least one dose
Uber Technology Yes — —
United Airlines Transportation Yes Yes Extra day of pay
UPS Logistics Yes — —
Walgreens Health Care Yes — —
Walmart Retail Yes Yes $150 for store/warehouse workers only
Washington Post Media Yes Yes —

Here's what is very misleading about that list. It says Vaccine requirement for SOME STAFF. Not vaccine mandate for everyone or you get terminated.

There are certain sectors, such as healthcare, which can require mandates and the company isnt liable. Walmart can likely mandate their pharmacy staff be vaxxed, but noone else.

Once you remove the healthcare sectors, which are a vast majority, you are left with almost no companies who would require a universal mandate for all employees to get vaxxed or get fired. And there are a few stragglers out there that havent publicly announced an end to their mandates, but every day more do. (Shell oil just ended their mandate, for example)

The reason no sane company would do a mandate now is because they would be liable for any damages a vaxx did to an employee if they dont have an umbrella protection, such as their employees who work in the healthcare sector.

(01-18-2022 04:03 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 03:14 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 02:50 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 02:47 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 02:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So why arent they doing it then?

A list

Not sure if you meant why aren't they allowing exceptions or not requiring it because there are quite a few businesses requiring it.

Behind a paywall. Supply the list of companies.

Sorry about that. It lets you view a couple pages for free. Looks like ass because of the format on the page but you get the idea.

Company Industry Vaccine requirement for some staff? Termination for noncompliance? Incentives for vaccination?
Albertsons Retail Yes — $100
Anthem Health Care Yes — —
AstraZeneca Health Care Yes — —
AT&T Telecommunications Yes — —
BlackRock Asset Management Yes — —
Capital One Banking Yes — —
Centene Health Care Yes — Up to 10 days of paid leave, $1,000 discount on health premiums
Chevron Energy Yes — —
Cigna Health Care Yes — $200
Citigroup Banking Yes — —
Comcast Media Yes — —
CVS Health Care Yes Yes —
Deloitte Professional Services Yes — —
Disney Entertainment Yes — —
DoorDash Technology Yes — —
Equinox Fitness Yes — —
Facebook Technology Yes — —
Ford Autos Yes — —
Frontier Airlines Transportation Yes — —
Gap Retail Yes — Weekly drawings to win $1000
Gilead Health Care Yes — —
Goldman Sachs Banking Yes — —
Google Technology Yes — —
Hasbro Consumer Goods Yes — —
Hawaiian Air Transportation Yes — —
Hershey Food Yes — Four hours pay for front-line employees
Hess Energy Yes — —
Humana Health Care Yes Yes Reward points as part of existing employee incentive program
Jefferies Banking Yes — —
Johnson & Johnson Health Care Yes Yes —
Kraft Heinz Food Yes Yes None for office staff. Non-mandated employees get one paid floating holiday
Lyft Technology Yes — —
McDonald's Restaurants Yes — Four hours pay
MGM Resorts Entertainment Yes — —
Microsoft Technology Yes — —
Moderna Health Care Yes — —
Morgan Stanley Banking Yes — —
Pfizer Health Care Yes — —
Pioneer Natural Resources Energy Yes — $1,000
Related Real Estate Yes Yes —
Roblox Technology Yes — —
Salesforce Technology Yes — —
TJX Retail Yes Yes —
Tyson Foods Food Yes — $200 and up to 4 hours pay to frontline workers/lottery of $10,000 per week for five weeks for getting at least one dose
Uber Technology Yes — —
United Airlines Transportation Yes Yes Extra day of pay
UPS Logistics Yes — —
Walgreens Health Care Yes — —
Walmart Retail Yes Yes $150 for store/warehouse workers only
Washington Post Media Yes Yes —

Here's what is very misleading about that list. It says Vaccine requirement for SOME STAFF. Not vaccine mandate for everyone or you get terminated.

There are certain sectors, such as healthcare, which can require mandates and the company isnt liable. Walmart can likely mandate their pharmacy staff be vaxxed, but noone else.

Once you remove the healthcare sectors, which are a vast majority, you are left with almost no companies who would require a universal mandate for all employees to get vaxxed or get fired. And there are a few stragglers out there that havent publicly announced an end to their mandates, but every day more do. (Shell oil just ended their mandate, for example)

The reason no sane company would do a mandate now is because they would be liable for any damages a vaxx did to an employee if they dont have an umbrella protection, such as their employees who work in the healthcare sector.

In addition to liability most companies can't afford to lose people either and mandating a vaccine will cost companies employees.

(01-18-2022 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:22 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:03 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 02:54 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Actually they can. What they are saying is that OSHA can't fine companies for not having the mandate.

That’s not what the majority said

I probably didn't write that well. I meant that individual companies can still mandate vaccines if they want. It's just blocking the White House from mandating that companies mandate vaccines.

And get sued and pay a heavy price. Its discriminatory in nature.

FWIW - Most every company in every state is totally within their rights to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. There's only a few exceptions for disabilities and religious grounds.

If any of them require an AIDS vaccine let me know….

Hoorah hoorah for the Free Southern States that passed laws preventing the jab requirement.

RIP multi jabbed prog filth.

(01-18-2022 04:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:22 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:03 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  That’s not what the majority said

I probably didn't write that well. I meant that individual companies can still mandate vaccines if they want. It's just blocking the White House from mandating that companies mandate vaccines.

And get sued and pay a heavy price. Its discriminatory in nature.

FWIW - Most every company in every state is totally within their rights to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. There's only a few exceptions for disabilities and religious grounds.

If any of them require an AIDS vaccine let me know….

There are no FDA approved vaccines for AIDS as far as I'm aware.

While yes, many companies will either drop their requirement or only institute it for their health care sectors, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to mandate one if they choose as long as the state hasn't instituted a ban on the requirement.

(01-19-2022 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  While yes, many companies will either drop their requirement or only institute it for their health care sectors, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to mandate one if they choose as long as the state hasn't instituted a ban on the requirement.

Why did Biden knowingly circumvent the Constitution of the United States?

Why did he want to create more confusion with COVID?

Legitimate questions you should try answering

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(01-19-2022 08:45 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  While yes, many companies will either drop their requirement or only institute it for their health care sectors, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to mandate one if they choose as long as the state hasn't instituted a ban on the requirement.

Why did Biden knowingly circumvent the Constitution of the United States?

Why did he want to create more confusion with COVID?

Legitimate questions you should try answering

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There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

(01-19-2022 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:45 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  While yes, many companies will either drop their requirement or only institute it for their health care sectors, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to mandate one if they choose as long as the state hasn't instituted a ban on the requirement.

Why did Biden knowingly circumvent the Constitution of the United States?

Why did he want to create more confusion with COVID?

Legitimate questions you should try answering

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There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

Why is it so hard for you to directly answer questions?

(01-19-2022 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:45 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  While yes, many companies will either drop their requirement or only institute it for their health care sectors, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to mandate one if they choose as long as the state hasn't instituted a ban on the requirement.

Why did Biden knowingly circumvent the Constitution of the United States?

Why did he want to create more confusion with COVID?

Legitimate questions you should try answering

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There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

Lawyers everywhere are licking their chops with a SC decision and discrimination precedents in their back pocket. I'll guarantee you wouldn't put your azz on the line for a multimillion dollar lawsuit.

(01-19-2022 07:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 04:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 03:22 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I probably didn't write that well. I meant that individual companies can still mandate vaccines if they want. It's just blocking the White House from mandating that companies mandate vaccines.

And get sued and pay a heavy price. Its discriminatory in nature.

FWIW - Most every company in every state is totally within their rights to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. There's only a few exceptions for disabilities and religious grounds.

If any of them require an AIDS vaccine let me know….

There are no FDA approved vaccines for AIDS as far as I'm aware.

There are as many Covid vaxxes with full fda approval in the US as there are aids vaxxes with full fda approval.

And before you post some fake fact check on that, you better read in-between the lines of what the fake fact check said.

(01-19-2022 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:45 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  While yes, many companies will either drop their requirement or only institute it for their health care sectors, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to mandate one if they choose as long as the state hasn't instituted a ban on the requirement.

Why did Biden knowingly circumvent the Constitution of the United States?

Why did he want to create more confusion with COVID?

Legitimate questions you should try answering

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

You didnt answer mine... you first then Ill answer yours.

Your post has nothing to do with the poor attempt to circumvent the Constitution of the United States.

Now answer the questions

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