(01-13-2022 03:03 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote: That’s not what the majority said
I probably didn't write that well. I meant that individual companies can still mandate vaccines if they want. It's just blocking the White House from mandating that companies mandate vaccines.
How are they going to do that without access to vax status?
Ummm...ask for your Vaccine Record Card.
I lost it. It's fake. Fire me.
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Not lying, I came within a conveniently located trashcan, which there wasn't one, of just tossing the stupid little card right in it the day of the first shot. What am I gonna do with that? Carry it around with me? No. Not a chance.
(01-13-2022 02:54 PM)fsquid Wrote: Actually they can. What they are saying is that OSHA can't fine companies for not having the mandate.
That’s not what the majority said
I probably didn't write that well. I meant that individual companies can still mandate vaccines if they want. It's just blocking the White House from mandating that companies mandate vaccines.
I would assume that without the OSHA mandate in effect, these companies can mandate employees get the jab, but they would also assume liability if something goes wrong (which we know has been happening regularly).
I guess we will see how many companies are willing to take that gamble……
Can you be held responsible for something that is FDA approved? Like I said above, another aspect that will probably have to be litigated.
From my company's standpoint, we are having a hard enough time keeping headcount where it needs to be so we were going to go the testing route if the OSHA statute took effect. I bet our upper management is quite happy with today's ruling.
It is NOT FDA approved. The jabs being given here in the states are Emergency Use Only. The Pfizer jab that was approved is Cominarty (?) which is not available in the USA. Lots of people fell for the head fake, when the FDA approved one but kept the BioNTech shot which is the U.S. jab on EUA. There was a lot of vague reporting that went on that fooled a lot of people into thinking the jab used here was approved. It is not.
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And the glaring LACK of therapeutics and prevention had to be maintained for the EUA to be granted.
Heard a Doc the other eve state that the early use of proven therapeutics (which the jab essentially is as well) could have saved perhaps as many as a half million Americans. Yes, including Ivermectin and others.
(01-13-2022 05:21 PM)Claw Wrote: Healthcare workers receiving federal money (FIFY) are still screwed. Military is still screwed. This is a nice win for some, but others are still being bullied.
Quote:The Supreme Court came in today with a decision blocking the Biden administration’s OSHA mandate on private businesses with 100 or more employees requiring that employees be vaccinated or tested weekly. The Court ruled they didn’t have the unilateral power to impose such a mandate. The Court did, however, allow a vaccine mandate for workers at federally funded health care facilities to take effect nationwide.
Not only did the Court soundly reject Joe Biden in the effort to impose his will on private businesses, Justice Neil Gorsuch also reserved a few words for White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain.
When the Biden team initially announced this idea of the OSHA mandate back in September, MSNBC’s Stephanie Ruhle took note suggesting how clever it was that they found the “ultimate work-around” to imposing a national mandate. Klain then retweeted it.
As I noted the next day — along with Sen. Ted Cruz and law professor Jonathan Turley — that was a bad move that was likely going to come back on Klain and Biden. Indeed it did, then later in November, when the 5th Circuit upheld the stay on the vaccine mandate, noting what Klain had said, noting Biden was against mandates before he was for them and didn’t have any explanation as to why they were trying to impose this now when it clearly wasn’t emergent earlier in the pandemic.
Now, in an example of how stupid Klain’s retweet was and how tweets can come back to haunt you, Klain was nailed for it when Gorsuch, in his concurrence, took note of what Klain had done. Gorsuch was joined by Justice Samuel Alito and Justice Clarence Thomas. Gorsuch referenced the 5th Circuit in noting the “ultimate work-around.” “It seems, too, that the agency pursued its regulatory initiative only as a legislative ‘work-around,’” Gorsuch wrote.
Pro-tip to Ron Klain? When you brag about how clever you are on Twitter while revealing your unconstitutional intention, it just may come back to bite you in the butt, and it did big time.
Ron Klain is not reacting well in response. Someone should tell him to step away from Twitter before he gets Biden into more trouble.
The bottom line was you telegraphed your game, Ron. SCOTUS sent you a clear message — you are not a king and you don’t get to impose your illegal will by stomping all over the Constitution. And saying something akin to “They didn’t listen to us so that’s why we had to act illegally” is also not a good look. And you wonder why Joe Biden is at 33 percent approval?
Many companies were using the threat of federal mandates as a cover to implement the mandates themselves. Now that it’s gone it’ll be very interesting how they navigate this as I believe they are now held liable or lawsuits will fly
(01-13-2022 02:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Remember when you guys hated judicial activism?
Doesn't really matter that much. Companies who actually care about their employees are mandating common sense regardless.
Let the rest die...**** em!
Uh, NO they are not. If they do or have forced someone to take the jab or dismissal those companies will pay heavy price in court.
Let us hope that this is the truth. CommieTom isn't having a good week, is he? The Constitution, not his silly opinion shared by Spongebrain Sh*tpants, that "Imma force you to take this jab because the companies making it told you it was good for you" jab.
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