Good luck to all those teams leaving. Dont care about sharing conferences with most of the teams leaving but I hope you are successful.

Ready for new CUSA in 2023.

(12-04-2021 09:29 PM)PredatorUTEP Wrote:  Good luck to all those teams leaving. Dont care about sharing conferences with most of the teams leaving but I hope you are successful.

Ready for new CUSA in 2023.

You'll probably largely get it in 2022. Sam Houston and Jax State are working to move early. We're planning as if JMU will be an SBC Football member next year.

(12-04-2021 09:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:48 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 07:38 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 04:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 01:54 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  Us working out a deal to leave early has been a terrible secret. Looks like a lot of schools are doing the same. Good for all!
Link

I really enjoyed conferencing with USM. Too bad y'all have fallen on hard times. But, I don't really view the Sun Belt West as an improvement. Of course the Belt's media deal is far better than C-USA's. But If I were a USM fan, I'd rather the team stay in C-USA West for another season with LA Tech, UAB, UNT, Rice, UTSA, & UTEP. In my opinion it is a better divisional line-up than ULM, Arkansas State, Texas State, ULL, & USA.

As if UNT has ever done anything. If your horrible coach had not found Mason Fine in a garbage pile somewhere in OK you would have 2 more losing seasons. As decent as Fine was he only had 2 winning seasons at UNT, 5-7, 9-5, 9-4, 4-8.

UNT has had exactly 6 winning seasons since 2000 (2002, 2003, 2005, 2013, 2018, 2019). And you think UNT going to extremely watered down American is going to change that, and its going to miraculously make Rice winners too HuH. You understand that not one of the programs left behind in the AAC wants you there right.

First off, if our horrible coach finally wins a bowl game, then it will be SEVEN winning seasons good sir!

Second, he didn't say anything about us suddenly getting better because we are going to the AAC. He just said he thought the current CUSA West is better than the future SBC West. We've played almost a decade against both groupings, so I can agree with Joe. However, I can also see why the SBC west is more desirable to USM for regionality. He didn't say anything about Marshall and SBc east, because honestly, the SBC East does look like a good division to be a part of.

We have 4 Sun Belt conference championships, btw. Good luck catching up to us.

You can book mark this thread and come back and bump it in 2045 when you finally do

I love the revisionist UNT history where they somehow dominated the Sun Belt despite not appearing in a bowl the last 7 years in the league and not having won a football conference title since Bryce Young was an infant.

Nothing revisionist about his comment. UNT won the first 4 Sun Belt titles. Just because you don't like it, doesn't change the truth.

Here is an important question... If USM, ODU, and Marshall all bail for the Sun Belt before next season, do the members leaving for the AAC in 23 get a cut? I mean, we will still be a part of C-USA....

(12-04-2021 09:39 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Here is an important question... If USM, ODU, and Marshall all bail for the Sun Belt before next season, do the members leaving for the AAC in 23 get a cut? I mean, we will still be a part of C-USA....

No, because your fee to exit the league are this year's conference distributions and next... so only the same 5 would benefit.

(12-04-2021 09:36 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:48 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 07:38 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 04:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I really enjoyed conferencing with USM. Too bad y'all have fallen on hard times. But, I don't really view the Sun Belt West as an improvement. Of course the Belt's media deal is far better than C-USA's. But If I were a USM fan, I'd rather the team stay in C-USA West for another season with LA Tech, UAB, UNT, Rice, UTSA, & UTEP. In my opinion it is a better divisional line-up than ULM, Arkansas State, Texas State, ULL, & USA.

As if UNT has ever done anything. If your horrible coach had not found Mason Fine in a garbage pile somewhere in OK you would have 2 more losing seasons. As decent as Fine was he only had 2 winning seasons at UNT, 5-7, 9-5, 9-4, 4-8.

UNT has had exactly 6 winning seasons since 2000 (2002, 2003, 2005, 2013, 2018, 2019). And you think UNT going to extremely watered down American is going to change that, and its going to miraculously make Rice winners too HuH. You understand that not one of the programs left behind in the AAC wants you there right.

First off, if our horrible coach finally wins a bowl game, then it will be SEVEN winning seasons good sir!

Second, he didn't say anything about us suddenly getting better because we are going to the AAC. He just said he thought the current CUSA West is better than the future SBC West. We've played almost a decade against both groupings, so I can agree with Joe. However, I can also see why the SBC west is more desirable to USM for regionality. He didn't say anything about Marshall and SBc east, because honestly, the SBC East does look like a good division to be a part of.

We have 4 Sun Belt conference championships, btw. Good luck catching up to us.

You can book mark this thread and come back and bump it in 2045 when you finally do

I love the revisionist UNT history where they somehow dominated the Sun Belt despite not appearing in a bowl the last 7 years in the league and not having won a football conference title since Bryce Young was an infant.

Nothing revisionist about his comment. UNT won the first 4 Sun Belt titles. Just because you don't like it, doesn't change the truth.

Well, you did go undefeated against NMSU, Idaho, and Utah State during that time period, so that is something.

(12-04-2021 09:14 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:10 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  The smaller CUSA gets the better it is. I'm looking forward to our 9 team league. I never liked the 14 team setup.

I agree. Plus we're getting rid of some of the biggest crybabies and non-performers in this conference. Good riddance. No more Texas or Judy to blame for them. Soon they'll have to look in the mirror.

I think a nine team league (for now) is definitely the way to go. No need to add just to add to get to some arbitrary number. I have always said nine was the ideal number. It allows for a complete round-robin in football and a very manageable 16 game conference basketball schedule...Everyone plays everyone the same amount of times.

(12-04-2021 09:10 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  The smaller CUSA gets the better it is. I'm looking forward to our 9 team league. I never liked the 14 team setup.

I'd like one more team to get to 10. Somehow, 10 seems like a more legit league than 9 with two divisions. But I agree that 14 is too much.

(12-04-2021 10:02 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:14 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:10 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  The smaller CUSA gets the better it is. I'm looking forward to our 9 team league. I never liked the 14 team setup.

I agree. Plus we're getting rid of some of the biggest crybabies and non-performers in this conference. Good riddance. No more Texas or Judy to blame for them. Soon they'll have to look in the mirror.

I think a nine team league (for now) is definitely the way to go. No need to add just to add to get to some arbitrary number. I have always said nine was the ideal number. It allows for a complete round-robin in football and a very manageable 16 game conference basketball schedule...Everyone plays everyone the same amount of times.

We joined CUSA at the same time and it looks like our game in 2010 will be the last in our series.

(12-04-2021 09:46 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:39 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Here is an important question... If USM, ODU, and Marshall all bail for the Sun Belt before next season, do the members leaving for the AAC in 23 get a cut? I mean, we will still be a part of C-USA....

No, because your fee to exit the league are this year's conference distributions and next... so only the same 5 would benefit.

But if those 3 leave early for the Belt, then they will have to negotiate something other than two years of distributions. So if money is being doled out from those members it wouldn't be distribution money. Shouldn't every member still in C-USA next season get some of it.

So does this mean some of the new schools may appear in ‘22 with a few of the schools still a year away from transition?

(12-04-2021 10:22 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 10:02 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:14 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:10 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  The smaller CUSA gets the better it is. I'm looking forward to our 9 team league. I never liked the 14 team setup.

I agree. Plus we're getting rid of some of the biggest crybabies and non-performers in this conference. Good riddance. No more Texas or Judy to blame for them. Soon they'll have to look in the mirror.

I think a nine team league (for now) is definitely the way to go. No need to add just to add to get to some arbitrary number. I have always said nine was the ideal number. It allows for a complete round-robin in football and a very manageable 16 game conference basketball schedule...Everyone plays everyone the same amount of times.

We joined CUSA at the same time and it looks like our game in 2010 will be the last in our series.

Yeah man, I know. I always enjoyed playing you guys.. UTEP has a storied history.

(12-04-2021 10:02 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:14 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:10 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  The smaller CUSA gets the better it is. I'm looking forward to our 9 team league. I never liked the 14 team setup.

I agree. Plus we're getting rid of some of the biggest crybabies and non-performers in this conference. Good riddance. No more Texas or Judy to blame for them. Soon they'll have to look in the mirror.

I think a nine team league (for now) is definitely the way to go. No need to add just to add to get to some arbitrary number. I have always said nine was the ideal number. It allows for a complete round-robin in football and a very manageable 16 game conference basketball schedule...Everyone plays everyone the same amount of times.

I agree with this. 9 seems ideal, especially for a G5. 8 conference games + 4 non-con.
A P5 (like the current Big 12 and old Pac 10) at ten can make sense with 9 conference games, but non-con flexibility makes more sense for CUSA

In basketball 9 teams is pretty perfect too, allowing for late season flexibility to schedule with the odd-numbered leagues like ACC and Big East

(12-04-2021 10:22 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  Shouldn't every member still in C-USA next season get some of it.

... every member entitled to conference revenue distributions next season should... which is no longer any school leaving for the SBC or AAC.

(12-04-2021 09:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:48 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 07:38 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 04:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 01:54 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  Us working out a deal to leave early has been a terrible secret. Looks like a lot of schools are doing the same. Good for all!
Link

I really enjoyed conferencing with USM. Too bad y'all have fallen on hard times. But, I don't really view the Sun Belt West as an improvement. Of course the Belt's media deal is far better than C-USA's. But If I were a USM fan, I'd rather the team stay in C-USA West for another season with LA Tech, UAB, UNT, Rice, UTSA, & UTEP. In my opinion it is a better divisional line-up than ULM, Arkansas State, Texas State, ULL, & USA.

As if UNT has ever done anything. If your horrible coach had not found Mason Fine in a garbage pile somewhere in OK you would have 2 more losing seasons. As decent as Fine was he only had 2 winning seasons at UNT, 5-7, 9-5, 9-4, 4-8.

UNT has had exactly 6 winning seasons since 2000 (2002, 2003, 2005, 2013, 2018, 2019). And you think UNT going to extremely watered down American is going to change that, and its going to miraculously make Rice winners too HuH. You understand that not one of the programs left behind in the AAC wants you there right.

First off, if our horrible coach finally wins a bowl game, then it will be SEVEN winning seasons good sir!

Second, he didn't say anything about us suddenly getting better because we are going to the AAC. He just said he thought the current CUSA West is better than the future SBC West. We've played almost a decade against both groupings, so I can agree with Joe. However, I can also see why the SBC west is more desirable to USM for regionality. He didn't say anything about Marshall and SBc east, because honestly, the SBC East does look like a good division to be a part of.

We have 4 Sun Belt conference championships, btw. Good luck catching up to us.

You can book mark this thread and come back and bump it in 2045 when you finally do

I love the revisionist UNT history where they somehow dominated the Sun Belt despite not appearing in a bowl the last 7 years in the league and not having won a football conference title since Bryce Young was an infant.

I dont think that word (revisionist) means what you think it means.

I said we had 4 Sun Belt conference titles. Is that a lie or revisionist? No, its not.

Did I say we dominated? Nope. It would be revisionist to pretend that Arkansas State dominated while we were in the league, though. Yall won, what 2 titles while we were in the Belt? And then won 4 titles against a bunch of transitioning teams. Once App State and Coastal Carolina got up to speed, yall slid back to irrelevance.

With Marshall, Southern Miss, ODU, and JMU joining, yall might never win another conference title again. But at least you can claim 6 Sun Belt titles and noone can take that away.

(12-04-2021 07:15 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 03:51 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 03:13 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  My guess is individual schools will never see a dime of that. Judy needs a new jeep.

And the conference needs to put a new 20 year down payment on The Star in Dallas. Ive heard that the curtain at the Star wants a raise too.

Are you really that concerned about how we will spend your money???

FIU would just blow it on RC Coala and cheap ugly Miami hookers. and not the school, so I have no worries there. You havn't put a dime in coaches or facilities that matter in years, if ever at all.

126 years of football...and you’re in the Sun Belt. Impressive.

(12-04-2021 09:55 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:36 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:26 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 08:48 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 07:38 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  As if UNT has ever done anything. If your horrible coach had not found Mason Fine in a garbage pile somewhere in OK you would have 2 more losing seasons. As decent as Fine was he only had 2 winning seasons at UNT, 5-7, 9-5, 9-4, 4-8.

UNT has had exactly 6 winning seasons since 2000 (2002, 2003, 2005, 2013, 2018, 2019). And you think UNT going to extremely watered down American is going to change that, and its going to miraculously make Rice winners too HuH. You understand that not one of the programs left behind in the AAC wants you there right.

First off, if our horrible coach finally wins a bowl game, then it will be SEVEN winning seasons good sir!

Second, he didn't say anything about us suddenly getting better because we are going to the AAC. He just said he thought the current CUSA West is better than the future SBC West. We've played almost a decade against both groupings, so I can agree with Joe. However, I can also see why the SBC west is more desirable to USM for regionality. He didn't say anything about Marshall and SBc east, because honestly, the SBC East does look like a good division to be a part of.

We have 4 Sun Belt conference championships, btw. Good luck catching up to us.

You can book mark this thread and come back and bump it in 2045 when you finally do

I love the revisionist UNT history where they somehow dominated the Sun Belt despite not appearing in a bowl the last 7 years in the league and not having won a football conference title since Bryce Young was an infant.

Nothing revisionist about his comment. UNT won the first 4 Sun Belt titles. Just because you don't like it, doesn't change the truth.

Well, you did go undefeated against NMSU, Idaho, and Utah State during that time period, so that is something.

You forgot Arkansas State. We wouldn't have been able to win 4 Sun Belt titles without going undefeated during that time period against them too. Utah State and NMSU were more impressive wins though

(12-04-2021 04:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 01:54 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  Us working out a deal to leave early has been a terrible secret. Looks like a lot of schools are doing the same. Good for all!
Link

I really enjoyed conferencing with USM. Too bad y'all have fallen on hard times. But, I don't really view the Sun Belt West as an improvement. Of course the Belt's media deal is far better than C-USA's. But If I were a USM fan, I'd rather the team stay in C-USA West for another season with LA Tech, UAB, UNT, Rice, UTSA, & UTEP. In my opinion it is a better divisional line-up than ULM, Arkansas State, Texas State, ULL, & USA.

Objectively, I'd agree with this. In terms of cusa west vs Sunbelt west, it's definitely worth leaving, but not until everyone leaves also. The eastern schools leaving early make more sense.

(12-04-2021 10:45 PM)2009panther Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 07:15 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 03:51 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 03:13 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  My guess is individual schools will never see a dime of that. Judy needs a new jeep.

And the conference needs to put a new 20 year down payment on The Star in Dallas. Ive heard that the curtain at the Star wants a raise too.

Are you really that concerned about how we will spend your money???

FIU would just blow it on RC Coala and cheap ugly Miami hookers. and not the school, so I have no worries there. You havn't put a dime in coaches or facilities that matter in years, if ever at all.

126 years of football...and you’re in the Sun Belt. Impressive.

(12-04-2021 10:24 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 10:22 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 10:02 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:14 PM)deb025 Wrote:  

(12-04-2021 09:10 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  The smaller CUSA gets the better it is. I'm looking forward to our 9 team league. I never liked the 14 team setup.

I agree. Plus we're getting rid of some of the biggest crybabies and non-performers in this conference. Good riddance. No more Texas or Judy to blame for them. Soon they'll have to look in the mirror.

I think a nine team league (for now) is definitely the way to go. No need to add just to add to get to some arbitrary number. I have always said nine was the ideal number. It allows for a complete round-robin in football and a very manageable 16 game conference basketball schedule...Everyone plays everyone the same amount of times.

We joined CUSA at the same time and it looks like our game in 2010 will be the last in our series.

Yeah man, I know. I always enjoyed playing you guys.. UTEP has a storied history.

We may play more often now that we will be in separate leagues. If our football program has finally elevated itself to annual bowl eligibility then meeting once every 5 years in a bowl would be a hoot. Best of luck in the SBC.