(11-27-2021 04:48 AM)Stammers Wrote: I don't get it. We ran the ball 33 times and averaged 1.9 yards per carry. How much more did you want us to run?
PSU
Points Allowed
39 Memphis
31 Minnesota
28 Ohio State
27 Indiana
21 Michigan
13 Buffalo
12 Iowa
10 Pitt
7 Purdue
7 Michigan State
7 Idaho
6 Rutgers
0 Maryland
Yards Allowed
542 Memphis
462 Indiana
459 Minnesota
429 Buffalo
417 Ohio State
417 Michigan
396 Pitt
383 Rutgers
356 Iowa
265 Michigan State
145 Idaho
128 Maryland
104 Purdue
Passing Yards Allowed
479 Memphis
372 Pitt
371 Indiana
339 Minnesota
286 Iowa
276 Michigan
245 Buffalo
199 Rutgers
188 Ohio State
182 Michigan State
141 Idaho
123 Purdue
68 Maryland
Memphis Yards Per Carry
7.9 ULM
6.9 USA
5.8 Tulsa
5.6 USF
5.2 Cincinnati 1
4.3 Cincinnati 2
4.2 Southern
4.2 Navy
4.2 SMU
4.2 Houston
3.9 Temple
3.8 Ole Piss
3.3 Tulane
1.9 Penn State
Gainwell 2019
231 - 1,459 - 4.7
Memphis 2021
382 - 1,589 - 4.2
That isn't even counting Gibson and Taylor.
I don't know how you can look at the data and say that we should have run the ball more, or find fault in any way with the gameplan. Also, keep in mind that we were were missing Dill. Orona-Lopez took his place and got destroyed. If not, we would have probably put up 50 on them.
Quote:And I still believe that if Brandon Thomas was under Norvell, we would be putting him up there with the others that made it to the NFL.
Florida State Scoring
2018 - 21.2
2019 - 27.9
2020 - 25.8
2021 - 28.2
Seems like you made a mistake and mentioned the team's yards per rush instead of Gainwell's 2019 number which like I mentioned before was 6.3. I'm guessing that because you said that doesn't include Gibson or Taylor. But that doesn't change that I believe the numbers this year would be higher with better play calling or that Gainwell would likely perform worse in the current system. That goes back to the subjectiveness you mentioned.
And the data supports what I watched. That's how I can say what I do about that game. Saying we averaged 1.9 yards per carry is misleading at best. It ignores the whole picture. Sacks count as rushing attempts. Brady White is listed as having 11 carries for -23 yards. I'm assuming you know that sacks count as rushing in college football. Here is how BW's "rushing" looked like:
Runs
(5:34 - 1st) Brady White run for 3 yds to the PnSt 40
(3:36 - 1st) Brady White run for 8 yds to the PnSt 19
(7:40 - 2nd) Brady White run for 5 yds to the Memph 17
(14:33 - 3rd) Brady White run for 5 yds to the Memph 32
(12:16 - 3rd) Brady White run for 1 yd for a TD, (Riley Patterson KICK)
Sacks
(10:36 - 2nd) Brady White sacked by Micah Parsons for a loss of 9 yards to the Memph 11 Brady White fumbled, forced by Micah Parsons, recovered by Memph Obinna Eze , return for 0 yards
(9:16 - 2nd) Brady White sacked by Yetur Gross-Matos for a loss of 10 yards to the Memph 6
(12:09 - 3rd) Brady White sacked by PJ Mustipher for a loss of 9 yards to the PnSt 38
(12:59 - 4th) Brady White sacked by Micah Parsons for a loss of 9 yards to the PnSt 35
(5:44 - 4th) Brady White sacked by Robert Windsor for a loss of 4 yards to the PnSt 46
(0:00 - 4th) Brady White sacked by Jayson Oweh for a loss of 4 yards to the Memph 32
On actual runs BW had 22 yards on five carries averaging 4.4 per carry. He was sacked six times for -45 yards. His "rushes" were 1/3 of the team carries and over half of those were sacks.
Other than that Austin had two carries for -6 yards. The first for -10 in the 1st qtr and the second +4 in the 2nd.
Then look at our main running backs. Patrick Taylor had eight carries for 50 yards at 6.3 per carry. Gainwell 9-34-3.8, and Gibson 2-6-3.0.
I don't know if the staff was concerned about PSU and/or wanted to change it up, but there was not much effort to try and run like we usually did that season. Gainwell had a season low for carries that game and the only game he had single-digit carries. He only had one carry that lost yards and it was his last carry of the game.
(1:53 - 3rd) Kenneth Gainwell run for a loss of 3 yards to the Memph 19
Three of his carries were for no gain and two for 10 and 19. He also had an 11 yard run that was called back due to penalty. Taylor only had one run for a loss also on his last carry of the game.
(15:00 - 4th) Patrick Taylor Jr. run for a loss of 1 yard to the Memph 48
Taylor had runs of 13, 13, and 10.
PSU definitely wasn't shutting down the run. We did that on our own by not trying enough.
We relied early and way too often on passing. In the first drive, the first five plays and seven out of 10 (ignoring the FG) were pass plays. And I'm not saying BW wasn't capable. I also think we score more not because of a healthy lineman, but because we should have stuck to our identity that got us in the NY6 in the first place.
All of this of course leaves out that on defense we should have made them beat us passing.
And I'm not sure what FSU's team scoring average has to do with individual running back performance. Like I showed, per rush they have two RB's currently on par with Gainwell. Heck Brandon Thomas' 5.8 average is right there with Patrick Taylor's best of 5.9 (2016). Again with it being subjective I believe that 5.8 would be higher under Norvell.
(11-27-2021 09:04 AM)tpaw09 Wrote: Nice info… data and logic is hard for these posters bc it doesn’t work for their agenda.
Depends on the individual.