(11-16-2021 11:23 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  I could see them stretching for 4b in your earlier post.

They realistically cant convict solely on 4b.

Rittenhouse's only defense to all of the actual act of shooting related charges is self-defense.

If Ritternhouse is not guilty of 4, the only reason will because he is privileged to do so because of self-defense. The privilege in the top charge affects all of the lesser included charges. So the only not guilty possible for count 4 would preclude a guilty in all of the other lesser includeds.

The only way to reach a guilty on 4b with anything but a guilty on 4 is a hung jury on 4, and a guilty on 4b. The families pretty much all have to stand or fall together as a group, but only within the shooting 'family'

One exception: a 'self defense' on the Rosenbaum family precludes a guilty on the endangerment detailed in number 2 --- the underlying act causing the recklessness would be a legal act under a finding of self defense re: Rosenbaum.

They evidently have 34 pages of jury instructions, so I'm guessing it will be awhile.

For it to be BLM lead, man there's a bunch of pale faces leading the charge.

(11-16-2021 11:40 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-16-2021 11:23 AM)Bill83 Wrote:  I could see them stretching for 4b in your earlier post.

They realistically cant convict solely on 4b.

Rittenhouse's only defense to all of the actual act of shooting related charges is self-defense.

If Ritternhouse is not guilty of 4, the only reason will because he is privileged to do so because of self-defense. The privilege in the top charge affects all of the lesser included charges. So the only not guilty possible for count 4 would preclude a guilty in all of the other lesser includeds.

The only way to reach a guilty on 4b with anything but a guilty on 4 is a hung jury on 4, and a guilty on 4b. The families pretty much all have to stand or fall together as a group, but only within the shooting 'family'

One exception: a 'self defense' on the Rosenbaum family precludes a guilty on the endangerment detailed in number 2 --- the underlying act causing the recklessness would be a legal act under a finding of self defense re: Rosenbaum.

I have a bad feeling we are going to see a run away jury that is going to convict on some of these charges despite the overwhelming evidence for acquittal and despite the prosecution utterly failing in its burden of proof.

It’s scary that this kid’s life could be over due to what politicians and members of the media want and feel versus what the law is. It’s scary that the threat of a riot that could destroy other lives is pending if the jury follows the law.

God help you if you live in places filled with these nuts. Your rights are permanently forfeit.

BLM rioters really find some of the dumbest hills to die on.

Jurors asked for clarification on self-defense.

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(11-16-2021 12:36 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  BLM rioters really find some of the dumbest hills to die on. have zero life worth living?!

another simple fify…

@reiterate

(11-16-2021 02:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Jurors asked for clarification on self-defense.

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That should be good news for Kyle. The prosecution basically flat out lied about what it means for self-defense, so the jury can read the law for themselves.

(11-16-2021 02:02 PM)hburg Wrote:  Jurors asked for clarification on self-defense.

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when did the jury go from max 12 to 18?!

is this a special needs case?!

I reck’n that’s what happens when dipshite law is invoked…

6 are just alternates. They have to soak up all the testimony and deliberations in case they have to step in for someone.

(11-16-2021 02:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  6 are just alternates. They have to soak up all the testimony and deliberations in case they have to step in for someone.

And 2 jurors have been dismissed previously.

How the Rittenhouse jury was narrowed

Quote:The Rittenhouse jury pool had started at 20, but one juror was dismissed for health reasons and another was let go after he told a joke related to the case to a bailiff.

If the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. If the law is on your side, pound on the law. If neither is on your side, sweep the jury with an AR-15.

(11-16-2021 10:40 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(11-16-2021 10:30 AM)hburg Wrote:  The longer the deliberate the more we know there is disagreement.

Aren't there 5 charges to hash out? One does not always immediately mean the next one is the same verdict.

As an interested observer it would seem that this should not take more than 2 days to deliberate. I am guessing that the jury will pin at least one charge to him if for no other reason to appease the blood thirsty.... and possibly to protect themselves from the backlash they are set up to receive.

The second that Glockenspiel dope said he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse first all bets should have been off on anything other than self defense. The real problem is why did this kid bring his gun in the first place .... The real reason. If you leave that question to open speculation, the jury is gonna find guilt on something. If they believe the kid's answer as forthright - he should walk.

With 5 charges and all that evidence, its not something that would likely be all solved in one day.

https://twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1...1207968772

HOLD THE ANCHOVIES

(11-16-2021 03:17 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1...1207968772

HOLD THE ANCHOVIES

It takes a while to go through 34 pages of instructions. Good chance there is no verdict today even with relative consensus.

I hope there is a verdict today, I need something to keep me entertained for the rest of the week.

(11-16-2021 02:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  6 are just alternates. They have to soak up all the testimony and deliberations in case they have to step in for someone.

yeah…which is why it should’ve been stated as such in the article… 12 comprised of xx + xy with 6 alternates comprised of xx + xy … of course, they would’ve added more ‘colour’ if’n whitey v. Blackey

#moireLazy

(11-16-2021 03:21 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  I hope there is a verdict today, I need something to keep me entertained for the rest of the week.

At least make the verdict early enough for Kyle to get his AR-15 back and hit the streets.

(11-16-2021 03:42 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-16-2021 03:21 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  I hope there is a verdict today, I need something to keep me entertained for the rest of the week.

At least make the verdict early enough for Kyle to get his AR-15 back and hit the streets.

amen to that!

Well....

Wisconsin statutes

941.20 Endangering safety by use of dangerous weapon.
(1) Whoever does any of the following is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor:
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( c ) intentionally points a firearm at or toward another.