(09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)maximus Wrote:  This has been my stance and point on abortion for a long time.

Its a logical time frame and both sides should agree.... whiiiiiccch will never happen

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

6 weeks is not a logical time frame.

Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.

Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.

Also, Texas requires at least two visits to a abortion clinic before they can perform the procedure. That further limits the time women have to make this decision.

None of us know when human life begins. Science doesn't have that answer yet and neither does the Medical Community.

So what I have learned is that some people are okay with killing another person if it suits their beliefs.

I am also okay with that, but in general I tend to believe those guilty of heinous crimes or someone that is actively trying to "abort" me would fall into that category.

I believe there is a moral justification in those cases.

I certainly don't believe there is a moral justification to kill innocent children so long as they might be a "burden". That's something the Nazi's did. I'm good with not following in their footsteps.

(09-02-2021 08:15 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I've always been on the fence about abortion. I'm morally against it, but I can see reasons where it could be necessary. I don't think it's my place to make those decisions for someone else. That said, abortions for birth control are abhorrent. And let's be honest, some huge percentage of them are precisely that.

You either think it’s just a mass of cells and tissue or it’s a human life. When you determine at what point in development it becomes the latter, there are really no more philosophical questions to grapple with.

(09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)maximus Wrote:  This has been my stance and point on abortion for a long time.

Its a logical time frame and both sides should agree.... whiiiiiccch will never happen

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

6 weeks is not a logical time frame.

Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.

Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.

Also, Texas requires at least two visits to a abortion clinic before they can perform the procedure. That further limits the time women have to make this decision.

Heartbeat detected too bad

The gnashing of teeth.... its like its horrible that someone actually has to be responsible and have the mental wherewithal to not conceive a baby.

You know there are preventions for that... shots, pills, patches, implants...JUST LIKE FOR COVID.... but no you all want to reward irresponsible dopes by killing babies.

So why the hypocrisy ?



Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

(09-02-2021 08:43 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)maximus Wrote:  This has been my stance and point on abortion for a long time.

Its a logical time frame and both sides should agree.... whiiiiiccch will never happen

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

6 weeks is not a logical time frame.

Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.

Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.

Also, Texas requires at least two visits to a abortion clinic before they can perform the procedure. That further limits the time women have to make this decision.

Heartbeat detected too bad

The gnashing of teeth.... its like its horrible that someone actually has to be responsible and have the mental wherewithal to not conceive a baby.

You know there are preventions for that... shots, pills, patches, implants...JUST LIKE FOR COVID.... but no you all want to reward irresponsible dopes by killing babies.

So why the hypocrisy ?



Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

Why punish society by bringing an unwanted kid into this world?

(09-02-2021 08:43 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)maximus Wrote:  This has been my stance and point on abortion for a long time.

Its a logical time frame and both sides should agree.... whiiiiiccch will never happen

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

6 weeks is not a logical time frame.

Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.

Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.

Also, Texas requires at least two visits to a abortion clinic before they can perform the procedure. That further limits the time women have to make this decision.

Heartbeat detected too bad

The gnashing of teeth.... its like its horrible that someone actually has to be responsible and have the mental wherewithal to not conceive a baby.

You know there are preventions for that... shots, pills, patches, implants...JUST LIKE FOR COVID.... but no you all want to reward irresponsible dopes by killing babies.

So why the hypocrisy ?



Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

45% of pregnancies are unplanned.

Birth control (shots, patches, implants, condoms, etc... ) aren't 100% effective.

Improperly put on a condom one night or forget to take the daily pill just once and there's a chance sexual activity will result in a pregnancy.

Oh jeez.

Let’s have boards and licenses to determine who can procreate.

(09-02-2021 08:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Why punish society by bringing an unwanted kid into this world?

So you're completely okay with murdering babies for the good of society?

(09-02-2021 08:12 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 08:02 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I am a Pro Choice Republican..... There is a point where it should be too late to abort, but I do not have a specific opinion of when that should be.

There are people who are simply unfit to bare and raise a child. Children born to these people have a high likelihood to be exposed to abuse, drugs, poverty, abandonment and just a long (or short) hard life that had nothing to do with anything but being unlucky enough to be born by a parent who was probably raised the same way. AKA socio-economic abortions - AKA "Ooops Abortions". I don't know how I feel about these in totality, but in general terms I still agree with them.


As for abortions that are health related (for the fetus or the mother) I am 100% on board with.

It’s a common cop out agreeing that there is a point that is too late but not having an opinion as to when that is. It either is or it isn’t.

And your entire second paragraph screams minorities. Planned parenthood would agree as they abort black babies like there is a BOGO sale going on every day.

It is not a cop out. I am not a doctor or scientist. I simply cannot tell you when life begins. You want to say heartbeat... that is an opinion, you want to say the nano-second the sperm and egg join... this is an opinion as well, you want to pull some other benchmark of time in the process that is opinion too.

From a pure speculative point of when the fetus can "feel" anything - that is opinion as well. Other than a hand full of people who are likely crazy and/or lying to attempt to make a point, nobody remembers anything from being in the womb.

As for your second comment I did not mention minorities, you did. I have come across lots and lots of people of all ethnicities who should never be raising a child in any capacity.

So people that aren't fit to be parents is a justifiable excuse for murder?

Fascinating subject matter but I don't think I should be participating in this conversation.

(09-02-2021 08:58 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 08:12 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 08:02 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I am a Pro Choice Republican..... There is a point where it should be too late to abort, but I do not have a specific opinion of when that should be.

There are people who are simply unfit to bare and raise a child. Children born to these people have a high likelihood to be exposed to abuse, drugs, poverty, abandonment and just a long (or short) hard life that had nothing to do with anything but being unlucky enough to be born by a parent who was probably raised the same way. AKA socio-economic abortions - AKA "Ooops Abortions". I don't know how I feel about these in totality, but in general terms I still agree with them.


As for abortions that are health related (for the fetus or the mother) I am 100% on board with.

It’s a common cop out agreeing that there is a point that is too late but not having an opinion as to when that is. It either is or it isn’t.

And your entire second paragraph screams minorities. Planned parenthood would agree as they abort black babies like there is a BOGO sale going on every day.

It is not a cop out. I am not a doctor or scientist. I simply cannot tell you when life begins. You want to say heartbeat... that is an opinion, you want to say the nano-second the sperm and egg join... this is an opinion as well, you want to pull some other benchmark of time in the process that is opinion too.

From a pure speculative point of when the fetus can "feel" anything - that is opinion as well. Other than a hand full of people who are likely crazy and/or lying to attempt to make a point, nobody remembers anything from being in the womb.

As for your second comment I did not mention minorities, you did. I have come across lots and lots of people of all ethnicities who should never be raising a child in any capacity.

Do you have kids?

If so, did you see a sonogram? If you did, you’d fight to the death to defend the human in that sonogram

Blow jobs are 100% effective. What other mistake in our society causes another person's death and isn't punished besides unwanted pregnancy and Capital Police shooting an unarmed woman?

(09-02-2021 09:18 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Blow jobs are 100% effective. What other mistake in our society causes another person's death and isn't punished besides unwanted pregnancy and Capital Police shooting an unarmed woman?

Nice points. +3

(09-02-2021 08:58 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 08:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Why punish society by bringing an unwanted kid into this world?

So you're completely okay with murdering babies for the good of society?

That begs an interesting philosophical question.

However, as we said earlier, it isn’t murder just because you wish to use that word for dramatic effect.

Killing a baby isn't murder? Interesting viewpoint. How do you feel about killing puppies?

(09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)maximus Wrote:  This has been my stance and point on abortion for a long time.

Its a logical time frame and both sides should agree.... whiiiiiccch will never happen

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

6 weeks is not a logical time frame.

Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.

Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.

Apparently, it is YOU who doesnt know how averages work.

(09-02-2021 10:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)maximus Wrote:  This has been my stance and point on abortion for a long time.

Its a logical time frame and both sides should agree.... whiiiiiccch will never happen

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

6 weeks is not a logical time frame.

Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.

Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.

Apparently, it is YOU who doesnt know how averages work.

The sources I've seen only present the mean, not the median. That's why I said roughly half.

The point remains the same though. At six weeks, a significant percentage of women still won't know they are pregnant.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5269518/

Leftists love to kill babies. However, if you so much as mention having a puppy euthanized because you can't take care of it... well... welcome to hell.

(09-02-2021 10:13 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Leftists love to kill babies. However, if you so much as mention having a puppy euthanized because you can't take care of it... well... welcome to hell.

Its insanity. Pure insanity. A selfish, narcissistic, vapid culture.

(09-02-2021 10:08 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 10:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 08:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 06:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:31 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  6 weeks is not a logical time frame.

Dude, you just stated that the average time for a woman to become aware she is pregnant is 5.5 weeks.

Dude, you know how averages work right? That means roughly half of women don't know they're pregnant until after 5.5 weeks.

Apparently, it is YOU who doesnt know how averages work.

The sources I've seen only present the mean, not the median. That's why I said roughly half.

The point remains the same though. At six weeks, a significant percentage of women still won't know they are pregnant.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5269518/

The MEAN is AVERAGE. What you were presenting, where you said that half of the women didnt know until after 5.5 weeks, would be the MODE, which is not what these papers were saying if they were speaking of averages. You could have 90% of the women knowing by week 3, and a few who claim willful ignorance until the 5th month where they have missed a handful of periods and gained 30 pounds that they "guess" they might be pregnant. That skews the numbers significantly wo where it would push the average out to almost 6 weeks. The true mode for that age group would be 3 to 4 weeks.

Most women are going to know around week 3 that something is up. By week 6, most women in that study group of ages would have missed their second period.