(05-25-2021 09:41 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm curious, OO.

Let's say it's 1982 and there are little to no black executives in the NBA/NFL despite the majority of players being black (not to mention a significant portion of the fan base).

What do you do if anything?

What does the player make-up have to do with management? Two different skill sets.

You don't think that there were black people capable of handling those management positions?

You don't think that there were black people that were interested in those executive positions?

This is what both Lad and 93 do - restate the question assuming they know what we think.

Quote:Let the market provide quality people without regard to race. some of those quality will be black, but they will be selected on their qualities, not their race.

Didn't the market already "provide quality people without regard to race"? We see what happened there. Why were there so few (if any) POC? Was it just that white men were the most capable for the job?
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Maybe. What evidence do you have that any better qualified black man was passed over?

(05-25-2021 03:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:41 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm curious, OO.

Let's say it's 1982 and there are little to no black executives in the NBA/NFL despite the majority of players being black (not to mention a significant portion of the fan base).

What do you do if anything?

What does the player make-up have to do with management? Two different skill sets.

You don't think that there were black people capable of handling those management positions?

You don't think that there were black people that were interested in those executive positions?

This is what both Lad and 93 do - restate the question assuming they know what we think.

Quote:Let the market provide quality people without regard to race. some of those quality will be black, but they will be selected on their qualities, not their race.

Didn't the market already "provide quality people without regard to race"? We see what happened there. Why were there so few (if any) POC? Was it just that white men were the most capable for the job?

Maybe. What evidence do you have that any better qualified black man was passed over?
[/quote]


11 y/o me was not privy to the hiring practices of the 1982 NBA/NFL however I can use common sense to deduce that there were qualified black people to bring into the executive arena had they decided to go in that direction.

(05-25-2021 03:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 03:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 11:52 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I also don't think the government having a goal of contracting 5% of federal contracts to women-owned small businesses through set-asides and preferential contracting is the government exerting tremendous power (sure, they are definitely exerting some power), but its an action with a positive goal in mind (provide opportunities for women entrepreneurs who are still underrepresented).

This statement implies that if you have a positive goal in mind, its okay to exert 'more' power. I think the thing you clearly miss here is that politicians quite often determine 'whom to help' based on 'whom will vote for them' and not this altruistic belief you state above. Provide opportunities for CERTAIN women, offering CERTAIN opportunities. Oprah Winfrey would qualify for more support from the government than my daughter would. Barack Obama would qualify for more support from the government than I would. That's not right. How does more support for Oprah result in providing more opportunities for women entrepreneurs who are still underrepresented? Instead it only supports one woman entrepreneur, who doesn't need help. I'm not really speaking of those individuals... I am merely speaking of people whom most would agree, would not be 'first' on the list of people needing help.

If everyone on here agrees (if begrudgingly) that 'help' from the government should be given to those who most need it, why does that not happen? Instead what happens is that we decide that 'this class' of people (or this voting block) need help, so if you meet these criteria, you get help... and FEW of those criteria have to do with 'need'. They almost always have to do with race, gender, sexual orientation etc etc etc... and not 'need'.

Are there white people who need help? Are they quite often the most likely to otherwise engage in racism out of spite/envy? I hope you'd answer 'yes' to both of those questions. So why would an NCAWP type organization, whether necessary or not, be met with derision without even a consideration of what they do or support??

Tactics aside (and the tactics are horrendous, let's not go there)... would the Klan (or some new version that completely eschewed the tactics of the Klan) be any better if they simply walked around saying, Buy white... hire white... For White, By White??? White Power? Miss White America? White entertainment television? The argument that this happens 'anyway', i.e. Miss America MEANS Miss White America ignores and completely glosses over the overt and 'in your face' nature of the alternative. It's the difference between choosing to vote for a Democrat, and saying that you do so because Republicans are racists. One is a choice, and the other is an intentional insult and yes, arguably an overt act of racism.

I don't get how Miss Black America and BET are intentional insults. Those came about as a result as a lack of opportunities for black people in certain arenas (an uneven playing field if you will). Who is insulted by the existence of these entities?

I don't get how I can write 4 paragraphs and the only thing you seem worth responding to is a relatively meaningless reference.

I was more thinking of the 'For Us By Us' exclusionary insult. SOmeone might say that "Abercrombie' is 'For White, By White'... but it certainly seems more insulting to me to specifically exclude people than it is to simply not appeal to them. I listen to plenty of radio stations that play what some would call 'black' music... and feel perfectly comfortable doing so, despite the fact that I am in the minority of their listeners... but if their 'hook' were... 'The radio station for Black people', I'd feel less comfortable, excluded and insulted.

Are you telling me that 'White Power' wouldn't be an insult to black people?? Be serious.

I'm sorry that I can't give a littany of examples and then find a perfect adjective that suits each and every one. For Miss Black America, I'd say that since black models can also compete and win in Miss America but a white person can't compete for Miss Black America, they might feel short-changed... and I really don't see how the presence of such a forum changes anything about what happened. Guys who like heavier women and heavier women themselves are excluded from BOTH processes.

As I've said numerous times... ANY time you are a minority position, you will find it more difficult to find representation in advertising in favor of the majority.

(05-25-2021 03:12 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 03:11 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 01:38 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 01:27 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 01:23 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am against the policy of set asides, period.

And THIS is what makes anything OK for the right - pull yourself up by the bootstraps, history, current events, reality be damned.

I did it, so why can't you.

Seems like a good time to mention again that study (among others) where fictitious job applicants with "black-sounding" names but identical resumes got significantly fewer call-backs than people with "white-sounding" names. And this wasn't 1947. Nothing to see here?

So pass a law making people do as you wish. Government power!

Ignore these studies and black people can just deal with the ramifications. White power!

What does white power have to do with it? Are you implying I am racist? I thought you were not going there, but what the heck, you did.

Is 93 also in favor of a Miss Fat America or a Miss Ugly America?

This discussion has gone down the tubes thanks to the closed mindedness of the lefties, that the only way for social justice to happen is by legislation that favors one race over another.

Clearly they are not here to discuss or listen. White power! (93) Reality! (Lad).

I will stick to the principle of "you don't do right by doing wrong". They may insult me as they wish.

But I am through trying to explain to them why being racist is not the answer to racism.

Next topic. Hunter Biden? The border? Middle East?

(05-25-2021 05:23 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Clearly they are not here to discuss or listen. White power! (93) Reality! (Lad).

I will stick to the principle of "you don't do right by doing wrong". They may insult me as they wish.

But I am through trying to explain to them why being racist is not the answer to racism.

Next topic. Hunter Biden? The border? Middle East?

Bro... "White power!" was a silly play on your "Government Power!" quote.

Why did you take this to heart? I have told you a billion times that I don't think that you are racist (and yet you continue to tell me that I am racist because of my support for affirmative action).

I think that you are simply looking for something to get riled up about TBH. If you don't think that I have spent my valuable time here for discussion then I don't know what to tell you.

(05-25-2021 05:12 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Is 93 also in favor of a Miss Fat America or a Miss Ugly America?

This discussion has gone down the tubes thanks to the closed mindedness of the lefties, that the only way for social justice to happen is by legislation that favors one race over another.

L. to the O.L.

(05-25-2021 07:28 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 05:23 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Clearly they are not here to discuss or listen. White power! (93) Reality! (Lad).

I will stick to the principle of "you don't do right by doing wrong". They may insult me as they wish.

But I am through trying to explain to them why being racist is not the answer to racism.

Next topic. Hunter Biden? The border? Middle East?

Bro... "White power!" was a silly play on your "Government Power!" quote.

Why did you take this to heart? I have told you a billion times that I don't think that you are racist (and yet you continue to tell me that I am racist because of my support for affirmative action).

I think that you are simply looking for something to get riled up about TBH. If you don't think that I have spent my valuable time here for discussion then I don't know what to tell you.

What I continue to tell is that you support racist policies. What you infer from that is your own interpretation of what supporting racist policies means.

Nobody is riled (or enraged, if you prefer). Like I said before, I don't allow myself to get upset over these petty swipes. I sure as hell am not going to hike my skirts and leave in a huff.

No, I think it is all unconscious from you two.

just thought it was ironic you two would go there.

(05-25-2021 07:36 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 07:28 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 05:23 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Clearly they are not here to discuss or listen. White power! (93) Reality! (Lad).

I will stick to the principle of "you don't do right by doing wrong". They may insult me as they wish.

But I am through trying to explain to them why being racist is not the answer to racism.

Next topic. Hunter Biden? The border? Middle East?

Bro... "White power!" was a silly play on your "Government Power!" quote.

Why did you take this to heart? I have told you a billion times that I don't think that you are racist (and yet you continue to tell me that I am racist because of my support for affirmative action).

I think that you are simply looking for something to get riled up about TBH. If you don't think that I have spent my valuable time here for discussion then I don't know what to tell you.

What I continue to tell is that you support racist policies. What you infer from that is your own interpretation of what supporting racist policies means.

What I infer from that? A couple posts above you said, "But I am through trying to explain to them why being racist is not the answer to racism."

I don't think I need to infer anything when it comes to the bolded.

(05-25-2021 02:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 02:17 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:41 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm curious, OO.

Let's say it's 1982 and there are little to no black executives in the NBA/NFL despite the majority of players being black (not to mention a significant portion of the fan base).

What do you do if anything?

What does the player make-up have to do with management? Two different skill sets.

You don't think that there were black people capable of handling those management positions?

You don't think that there were black people that were interested in those executive positions?

Why dont YOU answer the question posed first. For once. Or, how about even just answering A question, for once.

Oh good, guys, Tanq showed up. That pesky discussion we were having that was nearly devoid of antagonism can now devolve into that which we have become accustomed here.

Perhaps if you answered a question or two on the way, as opposed to replying with *your* question, that alleged 'antagonism' above wouldnt be present. Just a wild thought.

Quote:

Quote:There might BE blacks interested in those positions. Running a post pattern for 13 years doesnt really give itself to those skillsets by default, as you seemingly imply.

How about all the black people that grew up playing football and perhaps played it in high school and college?

So you think "grew up playing football and perhaps played it in high school and college" is an ironclad pedigree to being an executive in those fields? Again, stop and think about that for a second....

Quote:Perhaps some of those people might be a good fit?

They might, or they might not. What a wasted non-sequitor of a comment.

Quote:I'm sure there were (and are) plenty of well-educated football players out there.

I actually roomed with football players. And know other 'well educated football players'. I dont think the patent attorney would make a good executive. Nor the orthopedic surgeon. Nor the four or five non-patent attorneys. Nor the money funds manager.

Again, stop and think about what you are typing.

Quote:There are like 20-30 football/basketball players who graduate from Stanford, Harvard, Penn, Rice, UCLA, Michigan, etc. annually. Many of these graduates are black. I imagine you could find somebody with an acceptable skillset from that cohort.

Maybe. I dont know. See above. You seemingly think that all there is to NFL executive is 'one played the game', from what I can gather. Kind of stupid prerequisite, but you can certainly battle for that.

Quote:Do you think that there were white executives in the NFL/NBA in 1982 that played college basketball/football? How did they develop their skillset that made them good candidates?

Tell ya what dude. I'll answer *your*questions when for gd once you answer some tossed out your way.

(05-25-2021 02:55 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 02:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm curious, OO.

Let's say it's 1982 and there are little to no black executives in the NBA/NFL despite the majority of players being black (not to mention a significant portion of the fan base).

What do you do if anything?

So, if my company employs 74 Poles (out of 80 line workers), the requirement is that Pole's should make up the C-level ring of the company, regardless of any other factor? Seriously? I mean, when you strip away the 'well 50 years ago problem' at the outset, that is the crux of your argument.

If Poles make up 15% of the population in your area and your company employed 74/80 as line workers then, yes... it would be weird if NONE were employed at the upper levels. Especially assuming that you could find plenty of Poles out there with similar educational backgrounds to your current non-Pole executives.

I guess that in my mind set, I find the best candidate for the position. And the fact that 74 of 80 front line workers are Poles would give exactly zero weight to whether I hired Wojohowitz Kowalski to a C-level position.

I take it from your defense that would be a major driving onus in that search. Got it.

(05-25-2021 03:27 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 03:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:41 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm curious, OO.

Let's say it's 1982 and there are little to no black executives in the NBA/NFL despite the majority of players being black (not to mention a significant portion of the fan base).

What do you do if anything?

What does the player make-up have to do with management? Two different skill sets.

You don't think that there were black people capable of handling those management positions?

You don't think that there were black people that were interested in those executive positions?

This is what both Lad and 93 do - restate the question assuming they know what we think.

Quote:Let the market provide quality people without regard to race. some of those quality will be black, but they will be selected on their qualities, not their race.

Didn't the market already "provide quality people without regard to race"? We see what happened there. Why were there so few (if any) POC? Was it just that white men were the most capable for the job?

Maybe. What evidence do you have that any better qualified black man was passed over?

11 y/o me was not privy to the hiring practices of the 1982 NBA/NFL however I can use common sense to deduce that there were qualified black people to bring into the executive arena had they decided to go in that direction.
[/quote]

So in all the big words, you have no evidence. As to the last part the translation is: 'well it must have been', right?

(05-25-2021 05:07 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 03:12 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 03:11 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 01:38 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 01:27 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  And THIS is what makes anything OK for the right - pull yourself up by the bootstraps, history, current events, reality be damned.

I did it, so why can't you.

Seems like a good time to mention again that study (among others) where fictitious job applicants with "black-sounding" names but identical resumes got significantly fewer call-backs than people with "white-sounding" names. And this wasn't 1947. Nothing to see here?

So pass a law making people do as you wish. Government power!

Ignore these studies and black people can just deal with the ramifications. White power!

What does white power have to do with it? Are you implying I am racist? I thought you were not going there, but what the heck, you did.

He doesnt have a objective, truthful, and logical answer to the very real issue that it is great government power. So he decides to do a stupid, emotive filled corollary verbiage response.

Remember, always fight cold hard facts with emotion. Always fight lack of evidence with emotion.

(05-25-2021 07:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 02:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 02:17 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:41 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  What does the player make-up have to do with management? Two different skill sets.

You don't think that there were black people capable of handling those management positions?

You don't think that there were black people that were interested in those executive positions?

Why dont YOU answer the question posed first. For once. Or, how about even just answering A question, for once.

Oh good, guys, Tanq showed up. That pesky discussion we were having that was nearly devoid of antagonism can now devolve into that which we have become accustomed here.

Perhaps if you answered a question or two on the way, as opposed to replying with *your* question, that alleged 'antagonism' above wouldnt be present. Just a wild thought.

Quote:

Quote:There might BE blacks interested in those positions. Running a post pattern for 13 years doesnt really give itself to those skillsets by default, as you seemingly imply.

How about all the black people that grew up playing football and perhaps played it in high school and college?

So you think "grew up playing football and perhaps played it in high school and college" is an ironclad pedigree to being an executive in those fields? Again, stop and think about that for a second....

I didn't say that. You implied that all they knew was playing football (running post patterns) and I pointed out that many of the white football executives likely had played football in their younger years. These ex-football players were able to find a path to the executive level. I'm sure that there were black players with similar backgrounds.

Quote:

Quote:Perhaps some of those people might be a good fit?

They might, or they might not. What a wasted non-sequitor of a comment.

You are really going to argue the possibility that there were no reasonable black candidates for these positions. LOL are you serious???

Quote:

Quote:I'm sure there were (and are) plenty of well-educated football players out there.

I actually roomed with football players. And know other 'well educated football players'. I dont think the patent attorney would make a good executive. Nor the orthopedic surgeon. Nor the four or five non-patent attorneys. Nor the money funds manager.

Again, stop and think about what you are typing.

I have thought about it. Hilarious to me (or perhaps sad) that you are planting your flag on the hill of perhaps there were just no qualified black people for these executive positions back then.

I knew (and know) plenty of older and younger Rice football players. Dozens and dozens would make excellent executives.

Quote:

Quote:There are like 20-30 football/basketball players who graduate from Stanford, Harvard, Penn, Rice, UCLA, Michigan, etc. annually. Many of these graduates are black. I imagine you could find somebody with an acceptable skillset from that cohort.

Maybe. I dont know. See above. You seemingly think that all there is to NFL executive is 'one played the game', from what I can gather. Kind of stupid prerequisite, but you can certainly battle for that.

Again.. I never argued for that... see above.

(05-25-2021 07:51 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 07:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 02:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 02:17 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 09:41 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  You don't think that there were black people capable of handling those management positions?

You don't think that there were black people that were interested in those executive positions?

Why dont YOU answer the question posed first. For once. Or, how about even just answering A question, for once.

Oh good, guys, Tanq showed up. That pesky discussion we were having that was nearly devoid of antagonism can now devolve into that which we have become accustomed here.

Perhaps if you answered a question or two on the way, as opposed to replying with *your* question, that alleged 'antagonism' above wouldnt be present. Just a wild thought.

Quote:

Quote:There might BE blacks interested in those positions. Running a post pattern for 13 years doesnt really give itself to those skillsets by default, as you seemingly imply.

How about all the black people that grew up playing football and perhaps played it in high school and college?

So you think "grew up playing football and perhaps played it in high school and college" is an ironclad pedigree to being an executive in those fields? Again, stop and think about that for a second....

I didn't say that. You implied that all they knew was playing football (running post patterns) and I pointed out that many of the white football executives likely had played football in their younger years. These ex-football players were able to find a path to the executive level. I'm sure that there were black players with similar backgrounds.

Quote:

Quote:Perhaps some of those people might be a good fit?

They might, or they might not. What a wasted non-sequitor of a comment.

You are really going to argue the possibility that there were no reasonable black candidates for these positions. LOL are you serious???

Quote:

Quote:I'm sure there were (and are) plenty of well-educated football players out there.

I actually roomed with football players. And know other 'well educated football players'. I dont think the patent attorney would make a good executive. Nor the orthopedic surgeon. Nor the four or five non-patent attorneys. Nor the money funds manager.

Again, stop and think about what you are typing.

I have thought about it. Hilarious to me (or perhaps sad) that you are planting your flag on the hill of perhaps there were just no qualified black people for these executive positions back then.

I knew (and know) plenty of older and younger Rice football players. Dozens and dozens would make excellent executives.

Quote:

Quote:There are like 20-30 football/basketball players who graduate from Stanford, Harvard, Penn, Rice, UCLA, Michigan, etc. annually. Many of these graduates are black. I imagine you could find somebody with an acceptable skillset from that cohort.

Maybe. I dont know. See above. You seemingly think that all there is to NFL executive is 'one played the game', from what I can gather. Kind of stupid prerequisite, but you can certainly battle for that.

Again.. I never argued for that... see above.

All I see in the above is :

1) grew up playing football
2) perhaps played it in high school and college
3) I'm sure there were (and are) plenty of well-educated football players
4) There are like 20-30 football/basketball players who graduate from Stanford, Harvard, Penn, Rice, UCLA, Michigan

So the entire skillset to you of NFL is 'playing football in high school', playing football, played it in college, and graduate.

Seems to be a rather oblique and amorphous set of skills for being an NFL or NBA executive in your mind.

93: played high school ball; played college ball; went to college. *** **** SIGN THAT GUY UP!

My comment isnt on a 'lack' of skill set, it is more of your comic book level of comprises the skill set for an NFL/NBA executive.

Your threshhold is seemingly any person who played ball and got a degree from a 'good' school is ipso facto qualified to be an NFL or NBA executive.


As to your comments on 'lack of skill set' -- I know a bunch of people who are highly skilled, football players to boot, but I dont think have the 'skill set' to be an NFL executive.

So, please dont put words in my mouth, especially when you warp them so amazingly. I made zero comment or implication at the existence of the skill sets amongst black candidates. I *am* saying, I dont know whom they were, nor if they applied to such organizations.

But apparently you do. Sounds fun. Or you are just trying to backfill the 'requirements' with your own formulation. Honestly, this isnt the first time we have ahd this exact conversation before, dude. Was with head coaching positions where you brought up the story of 'why arent many head coaches/coordinators black when all the players are'. And you went down the same specious argument then as you do now.

Amazing how he jumps to the conclusion that you said that there were no reasonable black candidates for these positions. He gets that read from "they might or they might not".

He did the same to me. Extrapolated an extreme yes/no position from a maybe.

And apparently I’m the issue for the devolving arguments here... L-O-L.

Looks like the Quad can devolve into **** flinging without my help. It’s been all downhill since someone commented on the quality of back and forth.

(05-25-2021 08:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Amazing how he jumps to the conclusion that you said that there were no reasonable black candidates for these positions. He gets that read from "they might or they might not".

He did the same to me. Extrapolated an extreme yes/no position from a maybe.

The suggestion that "there might not" be qualified black candidates is ludicrous in my opinion. You and Tanq can die on that particular hill all that you want.

(05-25-2021 08:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 07:51 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 07:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 02:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(05-25-2021 02:17 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Why dont YOU answer the question posed first. For once. Or, how about even just answering A question, for once.

Oh good, guys, Tanq showed up. That pesky discussion we were having that was nearly devoid of antagonism can now devolve into that which we have become accustomed here.

Perhaps if you answered a question or two on the way, as opposed to replying with *your* question, that alleged 'antagonism' above wouldnt be present. Just a wild thought.

Quote:

Quote:There might BE blacks interested in those positions. Running a post pattern for 13 years doesnt really give itself to those skillsets by default, as you seemingly imply.

How about all the black people that grew up playing football and perhaps played it in high school and college?

So you think "grew up playing football and perhaps played it in high school and college" is an ironclad pedigree to being an executive in those fields? Again, stop and think about that for a second....

I didn't say that. You implied that all they knew was playing football (running post patterns) and I pointed out that many of the white football executives likely had played football in their younger years. These ex-football players were able to find a path to the executive level. I'm sure that there were black players with similar backgrounds.

Quote:

Quote:Perhaps some of those people might be a good fit?

They might, or they might not. What a wasted non-sequitor of a comment.

You are really going to argue the possibility that there were no reasonable black candidates for these positions. LOL are you serious???

Quote:

Quote:I'm sure there were (and are) plenty of well-educated football players out there.

I actually roomed with football players. And know other 'well educated football players'. I dont think the patent attorney would make a good executive. Nor the orthopedic surgeon. Nor the four or five non-patent attorneys. Nor the money funds manager.

Again, stop and think about what you are typing.

I have thought about it. Hilarious to me (or perhaps sad) that you are planting your flag on the hill of perhaps there were just no qualified black people for these executive positions back then.

I knew (and know) plenty of older and younger Rice football players. Dozens and dozens would make excellent executives.

Quote:

Quote:There are like 20-30 football/basketball players who graduate from Stanford, Harvard, Penn, Rice, UCLA, Michigan, etc. annually. Many of these graduates are black. I imagine you could find somebody with an acceptable skillset from that cohort.

Maybe. I dont know. See above. You seemingly think that all there is to NFL executive is 'one played the game', from what I can gather. Kind of stupid prerequisite, but you can certainly battle for that.

Again.. I never argued for that... see above.

All I see in the above is :

1) grew up playing football
2) perhaps played it in high school and college
3) I'm sure there were (and are) plenty of well-educated football players
4) There are like 20-30 football/basketball players who graduate from Stanford, Harvard, Penn, Rice, UCLA, Michigan

So the entire skillset to you of NFL is 'playing football in high school', playing football, played it in college, and graduate.

Seems to be a rather oblique and amorphous set of skills for being an NFL or NBA executive in your mind.

93: played high school ball; played college ball; went to college. *** **** SIGN THAT GUY UP!

My comment isnt on a 'lack' of skill set, it is more of your comic book level of comprises the skill set for an NFL/NBA executive.

Your threshhold is seemingly any person who played ball and got a degree from a 'good' school is ipso facto qualified to be an NFL or NBA executive.


As to your comments on 'lack of skill set' -- I know a bunch of people who are highly skilled, football players to boot, but I dont think have the 'skill set' to be an NFL executive.

So, please dont put words in my mouth, especially when you warp them so amazingly. I made zero comment or implication at the existence of the skill sets amongst black candidates. I *am* saying, I dont know whom they were, nor if they applied to such organizations.

But apparently you do. Sounds fun. Or you are just trying to backfill the 'requirements' with your own formulation. Honestly, this isnt the first time we have ahd this exact conversation before, dude. Was with head coaching positions where you brought up the story of 'why arent many head coaches/coordinators black when all the players are'. And you went down the same specious argument then as you do now.

I made that comment that there were obviously black people who were qualified for an executive position and that would be interested in such a position.

You came back with "Running a post pattern for 13 years doesnt really give itself to those skillsets by default, as you seemingly imply."

So you were the one that brought up former football players, not me. I'm sure there are plenty of non-athlete folks who could serve in those roles and I also made the point that you would find plenty of former white athletes filling those positions.

So your straw man that I suggested that as long as one plays football then one can be an executive in the NFL is a crummy one.