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(12-07-2021 10:36 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Here's a feel-good story for you 93. AND it is from the Washington Post!!!!!

Love it!
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J. K. Rowling

"Rowling has endured a continued campaign of punishment and harassment ever since she (rightfully) ridiculed the term “people who menstruate” last year on social media. Her most recent transgression, according to activists, was criticizing the police in Scotland for classifying offenders based on their gender self-identification. This means that a male rapist who identifies as female will have his offense recorded as being committed by a woman.

Why might rapists want to be categorized as female and subsequently housed in women’s prisons?"

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I agree with her overall premise of banning Chinese nationals from Texas universities, but not her rationale. Not sure I’m too fussed about the whole communism thing, but these students have a strong potential to pose a national security threat, as we have all seen before. I would much rather see Rice focus on recruiting international students from other Asian countries, European (aside from Russia), African or South American countries than more Chinese citizens. Many of the students who are Chinese citizens also don’t integrate into the Rice student body unlike other international students that embrace all of the extracurricular offered by Rice/American universities.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-candida...59955.html
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While certainly liberal-friendly (given the source) I think this was a fairly even-handed summary of something that we have discussed a lot on the Quad:

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/...ns/629722/
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(05-02-2022 11:13 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  While certainly liberal-friendly (given the source) I think this was a fairly even-handed summary of something that we have discussed a lot on the Quad:

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/...ns/629722/

A pretty good article.

"Two forces turning in a gyre of unyielding grievance" is a nice description.
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(05-02-2022 11:13 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  While certainly liberal-friendly (given the source) I think this was a fairly even-handed summary of something that we have discussed a lot on the Quad:
https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/...ns/629722/

I would disagree with that characterization.
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(05-02-2022 11:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 11:13 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  While certainly liberal-friendly (given the source) I think this was a fairly even-handed summary of something that we have discussed a lot on the Quad:
https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/...ns/629722/

I would disagree with that characterization.

How so? You saw the bolded caveats? You felt this was an extremist-style characterization of the issue at hand?
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(05-02-2022 12:07 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 11:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 11:13 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  While certainly liberal-friendly (given the source) I think this was a fairly even-handed summary of something that we have discussed a lot on the Quad:
https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/...ns/629722/
I would disagree with that characterization.
How so? You saw the bolded caveats? You felt this was an extremist-style characterization of the issue at hand?

I thought there was a lot of loaded language:
- The characterization of Florida HB 1557 as the, "Don't Say Gay" bill, when in fact such a provision--or even the word gay--is nowhere to be found in the bill, is clearly adopting a partisan characterization of such legislation.
- Describing the bill as "vague" and again as "alarmingly vague."
- Describing the 2017 tax act as a "multitrillion dollar tax cut" for "the corporate class"
- Describing Trump as a "wannabe authoritarian" who "desperately tried to overturn a domestic election," and whose "clownish followers still stormed the seat of government, apparently thinking they could accomplish by force what the president couldn’t accomplish by law,' when in fact almost no force was used, particularly when compared to the "peaceful" demonstrations of Antifa, BLM, and others. I'm sorry, but walking around the capitol taking selfies does not constitute an insurrection.
- I agree that democrats are "yanking" things left, but I don't see how standing firm on positions that would have been mainstream 50 years ago constitutes "yanking politics right." I think the Elon Musk stick figure drawing more accurately represents what is happening.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519...nwG_mQcVCQ

I will agree with the comments that democrat leadership is lacking, although he seems to be suggesting that what is lacking is competence, where I would argue that what are lacking are integrity and honesty. I think Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are competent leaders. I just think they are dreadful human beings. I do think that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are incompetent, although they seem to have the dreadful part down pat.

I will agree (I think) with one of the author's points. I thought the follow-up bill to revoke Disney's special purpose district was kind of hissy-fittish and chicken****. Among other things, my guess is that Disney probably spends far more through the district to maintain infrastructure at above-average standards than it will ever pay in taxes for that purpose. And Orlando and Florida are the primary beneficiaries.

On balance, considering the reservations you have bolded, I think this may be about as balanced and objective an analysis as a leftist can provide, sort of like Lester Holt or Chuck Todd or Katie Couric or Charles Gibson or Diane Sawyer or Norah O'Donnell or Jake Tapper trying to come across as objective.
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Also, did you catch in what terms the author touched on in terms of the CRT mess? "Teaching reconstruction".

There is a reason I am sick and fing tired of progs ranting --- they tend to mischaracterize issues by glossing over huge swaths of territory.

Just like 'Dont say gay'. Or 'Its not discrimination when its discrimination based on skin color in favor of [blacks latinos oppressed group de jure]'

Dishonest as ****. The problem that they have still is based in Trump. Trump allowed the right to actually verbalize and denote the complete crap that was being thrown out, like the characterization of the bill as 'dont say gay'. Equally as dishonest as the 'hands up dont shoot' crap that followed Michael Brown. I guess if one characterizes wrestling an arresting officer and making a grab for the gun as 'hands up', it would be decent, by my viewpoint doesnt extend to the equating 'wrestling an officer for his gun' with 'hands up'. But boy, it is pithy and sounds great.

My advice to Disney is that when it wishes to belly up to the bar in the political arena -- it should do so in a manner that doesnt allow it to be characterized as simply bleating a talking point. If the bill *actually was* a 'Dont say gay' thingy, I would have zero problem with that opposition.

The problem is that that pithy cute statement doesnt come close to accurately characterizing that bill. And Disney acted like a corporate dumb*** by wading into the mess on that basis.

And the author of the piece does the same thing, almost exactly.
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A subtle tilt is the use of "liberal" to refer to today's leftists, who are among the most illiberal people in American history. I wonder if the author is conscious of the bias in that usage?
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(05-02-2022 02:24 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  My advice to Disney is that when it wishes to belly up to the bar in the political arena -- it should do so in a manner that doesnt allow it to be characterized as simply bleating a talking point.

I would add some more general advice: if you feed at the trough of political favors, you are vulnerable to politicians turning off the spigots.

Every classical liberal understands this. Seemingly every "progressive" does not.
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(05-02-2022 12:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  - Describing the bill as "vague" and again as "alarmingly vague."

I think those characterizations have merit.
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(05-02-2022 02:32 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 12:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  - Describing the bill as "vague" and again as "alarmingly vague."
I think those characterizations have merit.

Seriously?

I find it rather difficult to postulate a fact situation where I would have difficulty figuring out whether the law would apply or not. I can't make "vague" fit that reality.
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(05-02-2022 02:26 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  A subtle tilt is the use of "liberal" to refer to today's leftists, who are among the most illiberal people in American history. I wonder if the author is conscious of the bias in that usage?

I am liberal. I am not leftist.
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(05-02-2022 12:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'm sorry, but walking around the capitol taking selfies does not constitute an insurrection.

YES! The democrats are making a political mountain out of what really is a molehill. At most it was a "mostly peaceful" demonstration gone too far.
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