(05-04-2021 10:00 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote: (05-04-2021 09:03 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: (05-04-2021 08:25 AM)RuckleSt Wrote: (05-04-2021 08:09 AM)OKIcat Wrote: (05-02-2021 07:52 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote: Insanity. I can see that for an Ivy-Chicago-Stanford level school or even the next level Northwestern-Duke-Notre Dame types. To pay that to go to entirely run of the mill, mediocre colleges just so you can say you went to a private Catholic school is ridiculous.
You nailed it. If an outstanding student has the chance to go to a truly prestigious private (or public) university they may be wise to do so. But to spend $42,460 for lesser privates is nonsense. And I know that X and others will deeply discount that price through subsidies. But X only has about 1/3 of the endowment that a Dayton or Marquette has so it begs the question, how will it continue to complete as that well gets tapped for so many incoming freshmen?
I would not have guessed that.
It's not even about endowment. It's also about the type of professors they hire and the salaries they pay.
Dayton is a research school. I'd guess they pay professors roughly as much as UC.
Xavier is a teaching school. I'd guess they pay professors 2/3 as much as UC.
Edit: most professors I've talked to think teaching ability and research ability are highly correlated. While there's plenty of examples of people who are great at one and horrible at the other, a lot of times that stereotypical professor who is "overly focused on his research" is only ignoring his teaching because he's a poor researcher who's about to perish due to lack of publications.
Great news about those kids choosing UC over OSU. May I ask was it just that they felt it was a better fit or did UC pony up some aid packages that made it more attractive than OSU?
Neither ponied up any money, yet (but we are still trying).
OSU had the better tour by a long shot, and for us north-of-Dayton country folk I have to admit that the OSU campus with all of it's greenspace is nicer in my eyes. You can tell that OSU has plenty of money to invest in their campus.
But the UC campus is also very nice after you get past the lack of greenspace as compared to OSU.
The clincher for my daughter was the advisors that she spoke to from each university.
The UC advisors were very enthusiastic about their programs, and really made an effort to sell her on them. When she asked them what was unique about the UC program that sets it apart they responded enthusiastically.
When she asked specific questions they either had the answer or followed up afterwards with the answer.
The OSU advisors did not come off as engaged. Many of their answers to specific questions were along the lines of "you can google that. it is online". When she asked the question about what is unique about the OSU program that sets it apart, they turned the question back on her "I will turn that question back to you and ask you what kinds of things you are lookng for in a program".
That in particular really turned her off. She had done a lot of research, and was still really stressing between OSU and UC. And instead of selling OSU to her they (that particular advisor) took the lazy way out.
She called me in the middle of the school day to complain to me about how her Zoom meeting with OSU went. She said that they were no help at all.
Additionally she had scheduled that Zoom call with OSU during the school day (only times OSU offered a meeting), so she had to arrange to get out of class. When she logged on at the set time no one from OSU was there. She scrambled for 15 minutes, in a panic wondering if she had done something wrong, before being able to get through to a secretary, who rescheduled it for an hour later.
She had to get out of class again, logged on, and the advisor did not even mention, let alone apologize for, the earlier meeting that the advisor had missed.
That is only one person out of thousands that work there, but it made a big impact.
I also think my daughter feels more comfortable with UC because I have taken her there for football and basketball games ever since she was a toddler (with me telling stories of my college days there, and pointing out things around campus). And we usually go to the Taste of Cincinnati every Memorial Day weekend, visit the Cincy Zoo, etc. So she is more comfortable with the thought of the campus and the city because she has some familiarity with it.
My advice to my daughter was to choose the one she felt more comfortable with. Both programs are very good, and very respected. So she had the very good problem of having to choose between two excellent options.