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RE: Record Number of Applicants, enrollment to swell
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(02-06-2021 08:48 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  It might just be me, but I will get good and dirty drunk in celebration when it's confirmed that UC is more selective than Miami. We're closing in fast, blew past OU a few years ago, and Miami is pretty much stagnant. OSU made them their ***** for in-state kids, and they can only scrape so many Big Ten rejects from the Chicago suburbs to keep themselves ahead of us.


Miami is irrelevant. Their alumni are scattered and have little presence in the metro area.

I think Ohio U and Dayton are both bigger competitors.

Agree about Ohio and UD. Last year I took the little ones to Summit Park in Blue Ash and it looked a UD alumnus convention was being held there. Granted it was during the time the Flyer basketball team was having a tremendous season, but I have never seen as much Miami merch in one setting. Anecdotally I work with a lot of people who either got their undergrad or postgraduate degree from Dayton.

I don't follow the privates all that closely but I do agree that Dayton is well positioned for maintaining or growing enrollment--much more so than X I would think given Dayton's academic profile, a broader base of majors (including engineering), and a bigger, better campus. In fact I think X will be hard pressed to grow when nearby public research universities offer better academic profiles at half the price while those who still want to attend a private Catholic university will have superior options as close as UD and St. Louis University, both of which have campuses that feel much more expansive and inviting than X.
 
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RE: Record Number of Applicants, enrollment to swell
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(02-06-2021 08:48 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  It might just be me, but I will get good and dirty drunk in celebration when it's confirmed that UC is more selective than Miami. We're closing in fast, blew past OU a few years ago, and Miami is pretty much stagnant. OSU made them their ***** for in-state kids, and they can only scrape so many Big Ten rejects from the Chicago suburbs to keep themselves ahead of us.

Miami is falling fast. Their discount rate is going up astronomically the past few years (when all other schools have been trying to get out of the budget sheet hole), enrollment got CRUSHED there these past two years as the main draw of that campus couldn't be realized by incoming students and their consistent tuition increases have hurt them with in-state enrollment and their Chicago and NE pipelines are drying up now that more and more schools are setting up regional admissions offices in those cities. They may be under 10,000 total student by the fall according to some buddies down there. It is not looking good at all.

10,000? They had 19,900 in fall 2019. 17,300 undergrads. Is such a large decline even possible?

I should clarify, I meant Undergrads in person at Oxford campus. But yes, Miami was hit incredibly hard by the pandemic. This past fall they were under 14,000 undergrads enrolled full-time, and their app numbers look terrible supposedly. Toledo, OU, and Kent State are all up or even in apps to last year (which was pre-pandemic), BGSU is even to slightly down (though that is to be expected based on their unsustainable trajectory over the last few years), Akron and Wright State continue to bomb out, and Miami's reliance on out of state markets has killed them now, with more of the Chicago/New England students choosing to stay closer to home. If they domt get back on campus in full-effect they're going to have a ton of ossues.
 
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RE: Record Number of Applicants, enrollment to swell
(02-08-2021 05:30 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
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(02-06-2021 08:48 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  It might just be me, but I will get good and dirty drunk in celebration when it's confirmed that UC is more selective than Miami. We're closing in fast, blew past OU a few years ago, and Miami is pretty much stagnant. OSU made them their ***** for in-state kids, and they can only scrape so many Big Ten rejects from the Chicago suburbs to keep themselves ahead of us.


Miami is irrelevant. Their alumni are scattered and have little presence in the metro area.

I think Ohio U and Dayton are both bigger competitors.

Agree about Ohio and UD. Last year I took the little ones to Summit Park in Blue Ash and it looked a UD alumnus convention was being held there. Granted it was during the time the Flyer basketball team was having a tremendous season, but I have never seen as much Miami merch in one setting. Anecdotally I work with a lot of people who either got their undergrad or postgraduate degree from Dayton.

The Miami grads all go back to Chicago as soon as they graduate, and they take a fair number of their Ohio born classmates with them. I think the state has started to figure that out and that Miami isn't really drawing new residents to Ohio with their out of state student recruitment. Honestly, I think the state should just cut them loose. They don't do anything for Ohio. They clearly took their ball and left the state after OSU started whipping their ass for Ohio kids. They don't bring any kind of research dollars and benefits into the state. Being a safety school for rich kids in Chicago doesn't justify their taxpayer support.
 
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(02-08-2021 07:55 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(02-08-2021 05:30 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(02-06-2021 10:03 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-06-2021 08:48 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  It might just be me, but I will get good and dirty drunk in celebration when it's confirmed that UC is more selective than Miami. We're closing in fast, blew past OU a few years ago, and Miami is pretty much stagnant. OSU made them their ***** for in-state kids, and they can only scrape so many Big Ten rejects from the Chicago suburbs to keep themselves ahead of us.


Miami is irrelevant. Their alumni are scattered and have little presence in the metro area.

I think Ohio U and Dayton are both bigger competitors.

Agree about Ohio and UD. Last year I took the little ones to Summit Park in Blue Ash and it looked a UD alumnus convention was being held there. Granted it was during the time the Flyer basketball team was having a tremendous season, but I have never seen as much Miami merch in one setting. Anecdotally I work with a lot of people who either got their undergrad or postgraduate degree from Dayton.

I don't follow the privates all that closely but I do agree that Dayton is well positioned for maintaining or growing enrollment--much more so than X I would think given Dayton's academic profile, a broader base of majors (including engineering), and a bigger, better campus. In fact I think X will be hard pressed to grow when nearby public research universities offer better academic profiles at half the price while those who still want to attend a private Catholic university will have superior options as close as UD and St. Louis University, both of which have campuses that feel much more expansive and inviting than X.

I think Dayton is well positioned due to the city itself making a small comeback. My wife's from Dayton, so we go out that way about 10 times a year. It has a nice little vibe going on downtown, and it only seems to be getting better.

I could have never gone and spent 4 years in a place like Oxford, Athens or Bowling Green. I always wanted to be in a city, and I think Dayton would be enjoyable for 4 years even if it is a bit smaller.
 
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RE: Record Number of Applicants, enrollment to swell
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(02-06-2021 08:48 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  It might just be me, but I will get good and dirty drunk in celebration when it's confirmed that UC is more selective than Miami. We're closing in fast, blew past OU a few years ago, and Miami is pretty much stagnant. OSU made them their ***** for in-state kids, and they can only scrape so many Big Ten rejects from the Chicago suburbs to keep themselves ahead of us.

Miami is falling fast. Their discount rate is going up astronomically the past few years (when all other schools have been trying to get out of the budget sheet hole), enrollment got CRUSHED there these past two years as the main draw of that campus couldn't be realized by incoming students and their consistent tuition increases have hurt them with in-state enrollment and their Chicago and NE pipelines are drying up now that more and more schools are setting up regional admissions offices in those cities. They may be under 10,000 total student by the fall according to some buddies down there. It is not looking good at all.

10,000? They had 19,900 in fall 2019. 17,300 undergrads. Is such a large decline even possible?

I should clarify, I meant Undergrads in person at Oxford campus. But yes, Miami was hit incredibly hard by the pandemic. This past fall they were under 14,000 undergrads enrolled full-time, and their app numbers look terrible supposedly. Toledo, OU, and Kent State are all up or even in apps to last year (which was pre-pandemic), BGSU is even to slightly down (though that is to be expected based on their unsustainable trajectory over the last few years), Akron and Wright State continue to bomb out, and Miami's reliance on out of state markets has killed them now, with more of the Chicago/New England students choosing to stay closer to home. If they domt get back on campus in full-effect they're going to have a ton of ossues.

They're proper ******. 9 out of 10 Ohio kids who have an acceptance to both Miami and OSU and end up at one of those schools choose OSU, and I'm guessing that 10th one is either the child of Miami alums or a preppy douche all in on the Miami lifestyle. They made their bed when they decided to be Chicago's safety school. Let them lie in it.
 
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RE: Record Number of Applicants, enrollment to swell
(02-08-2021 09:16 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
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(02-06-2021 08:48 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  It might just be me, but I will get good and dirty drunk in celebration when it's confirmed that UC is more selective than Miami. We're closing in fast, blew past OU a few years ago, and Miami is pretty much stagnant. OSU made them their ***** for in-state kids, and they can only scrape so many Big Ten rejects from the Chicago suburbs to keep themselves ahead of us.


Miami is irrelevant. Their alumni are scattered and have little presence in the metro area.

I think Ohio U and Dayton are both bigger competitors.

Agree about Ohio and UD. Last year I took the little ones to Summit Park in Blue Ash and it looked a UD alumnus convention was being held there. Granted it was during the time the Flyer basketball team was having a tremendous season, but I have never seen as much Miami merch in one setting. Anecdotally I work with a lot of people who either got their undergrad or postgraduate degree from Dayton.

The Miami grads all go back to Chicago as soon as they graduate, and they take a fair number of their Ohio born classmates with them. I think the state has started to figure that out and that Miami isn't really drawing new residents to Ohio with their out of state student recruitment. Honestly, I think the state should just cut them loose. They don't do anything for Ohio. They clearly took their ball and left the state after OSU started whipping their ass for Ohio kids. They don't bring any kind of research dollars and benefits into the state. Being a safety school for rich kids in Chicago doesn't justify their taxpayer support.

You make a great case and I kind of agree. I wonder how many state representatives and senators are MU graduates? That might determine, in part, their longer term viability as a state institution. I have to think the schools that are most enrollment challenged (if that's Akron and Wright State) will be first on the chopping block for some combination of program eliminations or mergers with other state institutions. I'd love to see UC swoop in on WSU, particularly because of the Air Force and aviation businesses clustered near its campus along with the potential for graduate research with the Air Force Institute of Technology a couple of miles from that campus.
 
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(02-08-2021 09:24 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
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(02-06-2021 08:48 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  It might just be me, but I will get good and dirty drunk in celebration when it's confirmed that UC is more selective than Miami. We're closing in fast, blew past OU a few years ago, and Miami is pretty much stagnant. OSU made them their ***** for in-state kids, and they can only scrape so many Big Ten rejects from the Chicago suburbs to keep themselves ahead of us.


Miami is irrelevant. Their alumni are scattered and have little presence in the metro area.

I think Ohio U and Dayton are both bigger competitors.

Agree about Ohio and UD. Last year I took the little ones to Summit Park in Blue Ash and it looked a UD alumnus convention was being held there. Granted it was during the time the Flyer basketball team was having a tremendous season, but I have never seen as much Miami merch in one setting. Anecdotally I work with a lot of people who either got their undergrad or postgraduate degree from Dayton.

The Miami grads all go back to Chicago as soon as they graduate, and they take a fair number of their Ohio born classmates with them. I think the state has started to figure that out and that Miami isn't really drawing new residents to Ohio with their out of state student recruitment. Honestly, I think the state should just cut them loose. They don't do anything for Ohio. They clearly took their ball and left the state after OSU started whipping their ass for Ohio kids. They don't bring any kind of research dollars and benefits into the state. Being a safety school for rich kids in Chicago doesn't justify their taxpayer support.

You make a great case and I kind of agree. I wonder how many state representatives and senators are MU graduates? That might determine, in part, their longer term viability as a state institution. I have to think the schools that are most enrollment challenged (if that's Akron and Wright State) will be first on the chopping block for some combination of program eliminations or mergers with other state institutions. I'd love to see UC swoop in on WSU, particularly because of the Air Force and aviation businesses clustered near its campus along with the potential for graduate research with the Air Force Institute of Technology a couple of miles from that campus.

I've mentioned before that OSU literally founded WSU and given their statewide political clout they'll be first in line for WSU if they want it. I think UC's best play will be some form of collaboration with them, which I think is entirely possible now that Ono is long gone. My guess is that Akron becomes a downtown campus for Kent.
 
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(02-08-2021 09:11 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I should clarify, I meant Undergrads in person at Oxford campus. But yes, Miami was hit incredibly hard by the pandemic. This past fall they were under 14,000 undergrads enrolled full-time, and their app numbers look terrible supposedly. Toledo, OU, and Kent State are all up or even in apps to last year (which was pre-pandemic), BGSU is even to slightly down (though that is to be expected based on their unsustainable trajectory over the last few years), Akron and Wright State continue to bomb out, and Miami's reliance on out of state markets has killed them now, with more of the Chicago/New England students choosing to stay closer to home. If they domt get back on campus in full-effect they're going to have a ton of ossues.

I heard a new thing recently. Apparently, one of the most successful parts of Wright State is their branch campus in Celina. Bowling Green has been trying to buy it from Wright State to expand their teacher education down into the greater Mercer/Auglaize county area. Supposedly, the state does not want to approve this, even though Wright State desperately needs the cash, because they fear Wright State would not survive long term without the branch campus.
 
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However this all shakes out, the good news here is that UC is superbly positioned now in Ohio's best major metro: beautiful campus, large endowment, top flight research, growing enrollments and more attractive neighborhood housing options that ever before. Toss in the excitement of high major athletics, OTR, and our city's major league sports and arts options and it's perfect for sustainable growth.
 
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I have a family member who went to Wright State. For the "UC should disband football and put all their money in men's hoops" types that still occasionally pop up around here and on other outlets, they are example 1A of what happens when you have a football team-- a very good one like we do. Cleveland State doesn't have a football team but I think the fact they are located downtown props them up over a school like WSU located in suburbia (although Cleveland State has had their own issues).

I remember visiting back in the 1990s and that school had no campus life, nothing to do on the weekends but to go visit other Ohio campuses on the weekends or go back to your friends hometowns.
 
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(02-08-2021 09:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I have a family member who went to Wright State. For the "UC should disband football and put all their money in men's hoops" types that still occasionally pop up around here and on other outlets, they are example 1A of what happens when you have a football team-- a very good one like we do. Cleveland State doesn't have a football team but I think the fact they are located downtown props them up over a school like WSU located in suburbia (although Cleveland State has had their own issues).

I remember visiting back in the 1990s and that school had no campus life, nothing to do on the weekends but to go visit other Ohio campuses on the weekends or go back to your friends hometowns.

Interesting observations. There has been some anecdotal evidence shared by staff at UC, more frequent particularly since the rebirth of our campus, that first time visitors from out of town or out of state are "blown away" by UC's campus setting amid neighboring areas such as Burnet Woods and the gaslight district.

Their pre-visit expectation? A city, commuter school embedded in the downtown area (see Wayne State and Cleveland State for examples) without a clearly delineated campus footprint.

I fear that is a perception that has been shared by some academic leaders when the subject of conference realignment has come up--other university presidents harbor similar misconceptions. I remember talking to some UCONN football fans the first time they came to campus for a game; they were surprised and impressed by UC's campus. More recently, so were FC Cincinnati fans who avoided Uptown for years.

I wouldn't want to be in charge of enrollment management right now at many of these other Ohio schools.
 
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(02-08-2021 09:53 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I have a family member who went to Wright State. For the "UC should disband football and put all their money in men's hoops" types that still occasionally pop up around here and on other outlets, they are example 1A of what happens when you have a football team-- a very good one like we do. Cleveland State doesn't have a football team but I think the fact they are located downtown props them up over a school like WSU located in suburbia (although Cleveland State has had their own issues).

I remember visiting back in the 1990s and that school had no campus life, nothing to do on the weekends but to go visit other Ohio campuses on the weekends or go back to your friends hometowns.

I took one class at Cleveland State. I was extremely impressed. It was more of a "campus" feel than I expected considering that it's in downtown Cleveland (it's literally across the street from Playhouse Square). Most notably, their customer service was incredible. They had a "Campus 411" service to answer every question that anyone had, and the people at Campus 411 actually knew what they were talking about.

I don't know anything about their academics. My department chair (at CWRU) actually told me that if I didn't get an A, he'd be inclined to reject the transfer credits. But from the outside, CSU seemed to be well run.
 
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(02-08-2021 09:11 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I should clarify, I meant Undergrads in person at Oxford campus. But yes, Miami was hit incredibly hard by the pandemic. This past fall they were under 14,000 undergrads enrolled full-time, and their app numbers look terrible supposedly. Toledo, OU, and Kent State are all up or even in apps to last year (which was pre-pandemic), BGSU is even to slightly down (though that is to be expected based on their unsustainable trajectory over the last few years), Akron and Wright State continue to bomb out, and Miami's reliance on out of state markets has killed them now, with more of the Chicago/New England students choosing to stay closer to home. If they domt get back on campus in full-effect they're going to have a ton of ossues.

I heard a new thing recently. Apparently, one of the most successful parts of Wright State is their branch campus in Celina. Bowling Green has been trying to buy it from Wright State to expand their teacher education down into the greater Mercer/Auglaize county area. Supposedly, the state does not want to approve this, even though Wright State desperately needs the cash, because they fear Wright State would not survive long term without the branch campus.

That is 100% the truth. The State also doesn't want BGSU to have another branch campus due to their...let's say interesting...management of their other two.

Wright State will NOT survive as it currently stands into the 2030's...I could very easily see it become Ohio State-Dayton or a joint educational venture, however, it will not completely fail, as the research affiliations with WPAFB alone would be enough to keep it running as they cannot lose those resources on the USAF side.
 
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(02-08-2021 09:11 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I should clarify, I meant Undergrads in person at Oxford campus. But yes, Miami was hit incredibly hard by the pandemic. This past fall they were under 14,000 undergrads enrolled full-time, and their app numbers look terrible supposedly. Toledo, OU, and Kent State are all up or even in apps to last year (which was pre-pandemic), BGSU is even to slightly down (though that is to be expected based on their unsustainable trajectory over the last few years), Akron and Wright State continue to bomb out, and Miami's reliance on out of state markets has killed them now, with more of the Chicago/New England students choosing to stay closer to home. If they domt get back on campus in full-effect they're going to have a ton of ossues.

I heard a new thing recently. Apparently, one of the most successful parts of Wright State is their branch campus in Celina. Bowling Green has been trying to buy it from Wright State to expand their teacher education down into the greater Mercer/Auglaize county area. Supposedly, the state does not want to approve this, even though Wright State desperately needs the cash, because they fear Wright State would not survive long term without the branch campus.

That is 100% the truth. The State also doesn't want BGSU to have another branch campus due to their...let's say interesting...management of their other two.

Wright State will NOT survive as it currently stands into the 2030's...I could very easily see it become Ohio State-Dayton or a joint educational venture, however, it will not completely fail, as the research affiliations with WPAFB alone would be enough to keep it running as they cannot lose those resources on the USAF side.

The problem with a merger is that there are 360 tenured faculty at Wright State, most of whom are probably part of the problem.

If all that OSU wants is the engineering contacts, why don't they only buy the college of engineering? The state can let the rest of the school fail on its own. OSU will still end up with the physical campus in the end, but without the albatross that's been weighing the school down all these years.
 
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(02-08-2021 09:30 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(02-08-2021 09:11 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I should clarify, I meant Undergrads in person at Oxford campus. But yes, Miami was hit incredibly hard by the pandemic. This past fall they were under 14,000 undergrads enrolled full-time, and their app numbers look terrible supposedly. Toledo, OU, and Kent State are all up or even in apps to last year (which was pre-pandemic), BGSU is even to slightly down (though that is to be expected based on their unsustainable trajectory over the last few years), Akron and Wright State continue to bomb out, and Miami's reliance on out of state markets has killed them now, with more of the Chicago/New England students choosing to stay closer to home. If they domt get back on campus in full-effect they're going to have a ton of ossues.

I heard a new thing recently. Apparently, one of the most successful parts of Wright State is their branch campus in Celina. Bowling Green has been trying to buy it from Wright State to expand their teacher education down into the greater Mercer/Auglaize county area. Supposedly, the state does not want to approve this, even though Wright State desperately needs the cash, because they fear Wright State would not survive long term without the branch campus.

That is 100% the truth. The State also doesn't want BGSU to have another branch campus due to their...let's say interesting...management of their other two.

Wright State will NOT survive as it currently stands into the 2030's...I could very easily see it become Ohio State-Dayton or a joint educational venture, however, it will not completely fail, as the research affiliations with WPAFB alone would be enough to keep it running as they cannot lose those resources on the USAF side.

The problem with a merger is that there are 360 tenured faculty at Wright State, most of whom are probably part of the problem.

If all that OSU wants is the engineering contacts, why don't they only buy the college of engineering? The state can let the rest of the school fail on its own. OSU will still end up with the physical campus in the end, but without the albatross that's been weighing the school down all these years.

I agree...that's why I said it will not exist as it currently stands. It will be pieced out, as will some of the other institutions that offer FAR too many Colleges or Degrees for the populations they serve...Akron is on the leading edge of that discussion, and it'll be interesting to see what happens there. I haven't had a chance to see their new CBA, but that's going to be fun to see all of the force majeure/admin outs that are in it.

The one thing this whole virtual thing is going to do is allow for an expansion of the State Education Requirements to be taught online. I could easily see schools with branch campuses providing those from the main campus as hybrid learning rather than there being redundant faculty in those areas (Composition, Liberal Arts, etc.). Then again, I know for a fact there have been discussions about there being a state-wide online instructional hub to free up budgets for some of the more cash-strapped institutions. This finally allowed for those ancients in higher education to realize what us young-ins who know the way things are moving to finally see what can be done.

I had a fellow member of faculty say in a meeting with multiple individuals within a Provost's Office that "this is the first time I realized that giving no credit for late work or not allowing them to see recordings of my classes if they didn't attend was really restrictive and could make [the students] really not like their experiences with me. I guess it's a bad thing that I'm retiring this year."

I had to turn my camera off to make sure no one saw me laughing my ass off.
 
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(02-08-2021 04:37 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(02-08-2021 04:30 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-08-2021 01:40 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(02-08-2021 09:30 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(02-08-2021 09:11 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I should clarify, I meant Undergrads in person at Oxford campus. But yes, Miami was hit incredibly hard by the pandemic. This past fall they were under 14,000 undergrads enrolled full-time, and their app numbers look terrible supposedly. Toledo, OU, and Kent State are all up or even in apps to last year (which was pre-pandemic), BGSU is even to slightly down (though that is to be expected based on their unsustainable trajectory over the last few years), Akron and Wright State continue to bomb out, and Miami's reliance on out of state markets has killed them now, with more of the Chicago/New England students choosing to stay closer to home. If they domt get back on campus in full-effect they're going to have a ton of ossues.

I heard a new thing recently. Apparently, one of the most successful parts of Wright State is their branch campus in Celina. Bowling Green has been trying to buy it from Wright State to expand their teacher education down into the greater Mercer/Auglaize county area. Supposedly, the state does not want to approve this, even though Wright State desperately needs the cash, because they fear Wright State would not survive long term without the branch campus.

That is 100% the truth. The State also doesn't want BGSU to have another branch campus due to their...let's say interesting...management of their other two.

Wright State will NOT survive as it currently stands into the 2030's...I could very easily see it become Ohio State-Dayton or a joint educational venture, however, it will not completely fail, as the research affiliations with WPAFB alone would be enough to keep it running as they cannot lose those resources on the USAF side.

The problem with a merger is that there are 360 tenured faculty at Wright State, most of whom are probably part of the problem.

If all that OSU wants is the engineering contacts, why don't they only buy the college of engineering? The state can let the rest of the school fail on its own. OSU will still end up with the physical campus in the end, but without the albatross that's been weighing the school down all these years.

I agree...that's why I said it will not exist as it currently stands. It will be pieced out, as will some of the other institutions that offer FAR too many Colleges or Degrees for the populations they serve...Akron is on the leading edge of that discussion, and it'll be interesting to see what happens there. I haven't had a chance to see their new CBA, but that's going to be fun to see all of the force majeure/admin outs that are in it.

The one thing this whole virtual thing is going to do is allow for an expansion of the State Education Requirements to be taught online. I could easily see schools with branch campuses providing those from the main campus as hybrid learning rather than there being redundant faculty in those areas (Composition, Liberal Arts, etc.). Then again, I know for a fact there have been discussions about there being a state-wide online instructional hub to free up budgets for some of the more cash-strapped institutions. This finally allowed for those ancients in higher education to realize what us young-ins who know the way things are moving to finally see what can be done.

I had a fellow member of faculty say in a meeting with multiple individuals within a Provost's Office that "this is the first time I realized that giving no credit for late work or not allowing them to see recordings of my classes if they didn't attend was really restrictive and could make [the students] really not like their experiences with me. I guess it's a bad thing that I'm retiring this year."

I had to turn my camera off to make sure no one saw me laughing my ass off.

How do some people end up so far detached from reality? I guess some just have no self-awareness.
 
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(02-08-2021 05:16 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(02-08-2021 04:37 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(02-08-2021 04:30 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-08-2021 01:40 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(02-08-2021 09:30 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I heard a new thing recently. Apparently, one of the most successful parts of Wright State is their branch campus in Celina. Bowling Green has been trying to buy it from Wright State to expand their teacher education down into the greater Mercer/Auglaize county area. Supposedly, the state does not want to approve this, even though Wright State desperately needs the cash, because they fear Wright State would not survive long term without the branch campus.

That is 100% the truth. The State also doesn't want BGSU to have another branch campus due to their...let's say interesting...management of their other two.

Wright State will NOT survive as it currently stands into the 2030's...I could very easily see it become Ohio State-Dayton or a joint educational venture, however, it will not completely fail, as the research affiliations with WPAFB alone would be enough to keep it running as they cannot lose those resources on the USAF side.

The problem with a merger is that there are 360 tenured faculty at Wright State, most of whom are probably part of the problem.

If all that OSU wants is the engineering contacts, why don't they only buy the college of engineering? The state can let the rest of the school fail on its own. OSU will still end up with the physical campus in the end, but without the albatross that's been weighing the school down all these years.

I agree...that's why I said it will not exist as it currently stands. It will be pieced out, as will some of the other institutions that offer FAR too many Colleges or Degrees for the populations they serve...Akron is on the leading edge of that discussion, and it'll be interesting to see what happens there. I haven't had a chance to see their new CBA, but that's going to be fun to see all of the force majeure/admin outs that are in it.

The one thing this whole virtual thing is going to do is allow for an expansion of the State Education Requirements to be taught online. I could easily see schools with branch campuses providing those from the main campus as hybrid learning rather than there being redundant faculty in those areas (Composition, Liberal Arts, etc.). Then again, I know for a fact there have been discussions about there being a state-wide online instructional hub to free up budgets for some of the more cash-strapped institutions. This finally allowed for those ancients in higher education to realize what us young-ins who know the way things are moving to finally see what can be done.

I had a fellow member of faculty say in a meeting with multiple individuals within a Provost's Office that "this is the first time I realized that giving no credit for late work or not allowing them to see recordings of my classes if they didn't attend was really restrictive and could make [the students] really not like their experiences with me. I guess it's a bad thing that I'm retiring this year."

I had to turn my camera off to make sure no one saw me laughing my ass off.

How do some people end up so far detached from reality? I guess some just have no self-awareness.

It is a fallacy to think that this will end up leading to better student outcomes.

Remote learning is far more time-intensive than in-person learning. But that's only true if the same amount of learning is going on.

What you're seeing instead is that kids simply aren't learning.

I teach a capstone class to seniors every spring. It is appalling how much farther behind they are this year than the last 3 years that I've taught the same class. It's almost as if this is the first class in the major for some of them. And that's after just 1.5 online semesters.
 
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(02-08-2021 05:51 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It is a fallacy to think that this will end up leading to better student outcomes.

Remote learning is far more time-intensive than in-person learning. But that's only true if the same amount of learning is going on.

What you're seeing instead is that kids simply aren't learning.

I teach a capstone class to seniors every spring. It is appalling how much farther behind they are this year than the last 3 years that I've taught the same class. It's almost as if this is the first class in the major for some of them. And that's after just 1.5 online semesters.

Oh I completely agree...in no way do I think this should be the new normal. I just think this has finally FORCED some of the more "seasoned" faculty to adapt to modern instruction and realize some of the limitations of their antiquated beliefs about what constitutes good teaching . I can't tell you how many people would argue that by failing more students they are increasing the level of quality of students. It's stuff like that which we are FINALLY getting away from.
 
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(02-08-2021 05:16 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  How do some people end up so far detached from reality? I guess some just have no self-awareness.

Its not so much being detached from reality (even though many are). It is far more about having no external incentive to evolve your practices. I can't tell you how many people I've met over the years who teach the same way they learned things in the 60s/70s/80s and don't change things AT ALL to be relevant within the current landscape and allow for students to attach and develop mastery in content. I finally was able to talk some people into allowing a grading scale that doesn't include F's (instead, students receive a NC grade, which doesn't impact GPA so students can still remain at a University in other majors but still holds them from being able to progress in their curriculum), which is something many colleges and universities have been doing for years now.
 
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I've mentioned it before but if Wright State does fail I'd like to see UC and OSU partner together to take it over. Just make it our version of IUPUI. I'd think with UC and OSU working closer together in the state government that we could get it accomplished
 
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