(01-15-2021 01:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 12:53 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 12:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 12:34 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 12:16 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  Then they need to lobby BYU to be part of that group of 3. I think Boise is being careful trying not to get BYU excited about the AAC without them being apart of it bc BYU could just say yes to the #12 spot and the AAC end the conversation.

BYU makes far more money as an independent with their own TV deal. The only thing that would make BYU consider a move to the AAC would be revenue closer to what they’re making now and an expanded playoff with an auto bid. Otherwise this scheme is a non-starter.

our tv deal pays 7mil per,
according to foia in 2017 byu made 4.3mil from its tv deal that year...they just signed an extension and the amount is unknown, but its almost certainly less than than what we ar making...and that deal is short term and has no espn+ and espn has only shelled out huge deals that are long term and incorperate espn+ in some way (sec, big 12, aac etc.)

byu doesnt make far more money with their tv deal as an independant... you can argue they get better ticket sales playing an indy schedule but not from tv money

Where are you getting that number? BYU isn’t beholden to FOIA as they’re a private institution. Here’s a link to their latest deal with no financials disclosed:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanquis...dependence

the foia wasnt to byu but to the department of education, where boise reports its revenue
https://lawlessrepublic.com/2017/09/21/b...act-money/

I don’t think we’ll be able to settle on an exact number. The local station in Utah was reporting the old contract to be around $6 million.

https://kslsports.com/423502/byu-espn-co...hru-2026/?

(01-15-2021 01:11 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  I don’t think we’ll be able to settle on an exact number. The local station in Utah was reporting the old contract to be around $6 million.

https://kslsports.com/423502/byu-espn-co...hru-2026/?

not unless you think byu is lying to the government i dont know what there is to "settle".. the article you just linked even notes that it cant back its own guess and that it's speculating on that 6mil ...

the most sensible and realistic answer is probably around 4.3 mil

tv money has never been the reason byu wasnt in the aac....

edit: i want to clarify- tv money in "deficit" from what it currently makes... wanting "p5 tv money" could actually play a reason

(01-15-2021 01:16 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:11 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  I don’t think we’ll be able to settle on an exact number. The local station in Utah was reporting the old contract to be around $6 million.

https://kslsports.com/423502/byu-espn-co...hru-2026/?

not unless you think byu is lying to the government i dont know what there is to "settle".. the article you just linked even notes that it cant back its own guess and that it's speculating on that 6mil ...

the most sensible and realistic answer is probably around 4.3 mil

The link you posted also mentioned that the 4.3 figure wasn’t entirely accurate as things change from year to year. That was a snapshot in time and there is no line item detail, YoY figures, or total contract amount with which to compare to. But hey, if BYU decides all of a sudden that the moola and opportunity is far greater in the AAC, they’ll likely jump. So far there hasn’t been any smoke to suggest any interest from BYU.

(01-15-2021 01:29 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:16 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:11 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  I don’t think we’ll be able to settle on an exact number. The local station in Utah was reporting the old contract to be around $6 million.

https://kslsports.com/423502/byu-espn-co...hru-2026/?

not unless you think byu is lying to the government i dont know what there is to "settle".. the article you just linked even notes that it cant back its own guess and that it's speculating on that 6mil ...

the most sensible and realistic answer is probably around 4.3 mil

The link you posted also mentioned that the 4.3 figure wasn’t entirely accurate as things change from year to year. That was a snapshot in time and there is no line item detail, YoY figures, or total contract amount with which to compare to. But hey, if BYU decides all of a sudden that the moola and opportunity is far greater in the AAC, they’ll likely jump. So far there hasn’t been any smoke to suggest any interest from BYU.

I believe this was a strategic leak to tell BYU we're talking with Boise & SDSU and that this 3 team western expansion is on the table but the door is closing soon. Unless we lose another member we wont be expanding again.

(01-15-2021 10:26 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  The rumor of being more than one school moving might be due to Boise needing help placing non-fb in another league. SDSU is largely who got them into the BW last time. From there get three schools to even the divisions assuming ESPN bankrolls it enough.

If true, then SDSU & BSU could help each other by placing their BB/olympic teams in the same conference.

(01-15-2021 01:29 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:16 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:11 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  I don’t think we’ll be able to settle on an exact number. The local station in Utah was reporting the old contract to be around $6 million.

https://kslsports.com/423502/byu-espn-co...hru-2026/?

not unless you think byu is lying to the government i dont know what there is to "settle".. the article you just linked even notes that it cant back its own guess and that it's speculating on that 6mil ...

the most sensible and realistic answer is probably around 4.3 mil

The link you posted also mentioned that the 4.3 figure wasn’t entirely accurate as things change from year to year. That was a snapshot in time and there is no line item detail, YoY figures, or total contract amount with which to compare to. But hey, if BYU decides all of a sudden that the moola and opportunity is far greater in the AAC, they’ll likely jump. So far there hasn’t been any smoke to suggest any interest from BYU.

1) there has been smoke... byu ad tom holmoe said byu independence wasnt sustainable and that if a path the p5 wasnt possible in a few years that all options would be available

2) brett mcmuphy (college footballs biggest insider)- says byu would make more media money if they joined the aac
(an article debating if byu should join the aac, that references mcmurphy)
https://www.ksl.com/article/46582292/pat...n-of-sense

3) the money and opportunity has always been greater in the aac... byu doesnt care about that, which you dont seem to understand.... byu its about pride ...they want to be a p5 along with utah...

(01-15-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:29 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:16 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:11 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  I don’t think we’ll be able to settle on an exact number. The local station in Utah was reporting the old contract to be around $6 million.

https://kslsports.com/423502/byu-espn-co...hru-2026/?

not unless you think byu is lying to the government i dont know what there is to "settle".. the article you just linked even notes that it cant back its own guess and that it's speculating on that 6mil ...

the most sensible and realistic answer is probably around 4.3 mil

The link you posted also mentioned that the 4.3 figure wasn’t entirely accurate as things change from year to year. That was a snapshot in time and there is no line item detail, YoY figures, or total contract amount with which to compare to. But hey, if BYU decides all of a sudden that the moola and opportunity is far greater in the AAC, they’ll likely jump. So far there hasn’t been any smoke to suggest any interest from BYU.

1) there has been smoke... byu ad tom holmoe said byu independence wasnt sustainable and that if a path the p5 wasnt possible in a few years that all options would be available

2) brett mcmuphy (college footballs biggest insider)- says byu would make more media money if they joined the aac
(an article debating if byu should join the aac, that references mcmurphy)
https://kslsports.com/412042/should-byu-...-the-aac/?

3) the money and opportunity has always been greater in the aac... byu doesnt care about that, which you dont seem to understand.... byu its about pride ...they want to be a p5 along with utah...

Lol - please let me know when the contract is signed and BYU is your 12th.

(01-15-2021 01:50 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Lol - please let me know when the contract is signed and BYU is your 12th.

whats the lol for , you are making a joke for providing wrong information?

you- they make more tv money as an indy, thats why they wont considers the aac
me- mcmurphy says theyll make more tv money in the aac.. money isnt the reason

i never said they were joining...or that they would be the 12th..just that your justification for them not joining is wrong

(01-15-2021 10:19 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 07:30 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 10:27 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 10:18 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 07:39 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  They will change the rule. This is one of the recommendations made by the Knight Commission a few months ago and I think there are a lot of schools on board with this idea. Nobody wants to send their field hockey team 1,200 miles away when there are plenty of schools to play against relatively nearby.

I hope so because it’s a silly rule.

No its not.

It's a rule that keeps title IX feasible and no it won't be changed. For similar reasons the new rule that will likely pass about divisionless championship for football will have a minimum number of conference games and a minimum time frame to play every conference team. Not doing so opens the door for shenanigans. If you can't afford to send your field hockey team 1200 miles, maybe you shouldn't be in a conference with a team 1200 miles away. This rule also prevents the forever shuffle that will follow as people try and construct the best conference right now, this minute like this board and the realignment board enjoy doing.

I wish people would quit acting like college athletics are pro sports, there are all kinds of differences with the most obvious being the legal restraints, in particular title IX. You can't just pour all your money into football or men's basketball, you have to provide equal support to your women's programs.

Yes, it’s silly. Having different opponents for revenue and non-revenue sports does not cause title 9 problems. One could argue that the teams that would not be traveling as far have it better concerning study time.

Of course it won't why would spending the extra money to send teams across country and have them stay overnight in hotels not cost extra resources? I mean you can build up the baseball team stadium and give them luxury boxes but your softball team can play in an empty field no biggie.

Title IX requires at least the appearence of equality. So when Oklahoma St spent a ton of money to upgrade facilities, they got in trouble and had to ensure they put an equal amount of effort and time into upgrading the women sports facilities which is why they just got a brand new softball complex. Putting your women's volleyball team on a bus to play schools within an hours drive while flying your men's basketball team to the east coast then west coast for conference games won't fly.

You all like to talk about football or basketball like they are independent pro sports clubs who share a name. They aren't they are gears in an overall athletic program.

Army and Navy already fly their football team around the country and bus their other sports.

(01-15-2021 01:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:50 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Lol - please let me know when the contract is signed and BYU is your 12th.

whats the lol for , you are making a joke for providing wrong information?

you- they make more tv money as an indy, thats why they wont considers the aac
me- mcmurphy says theyll make more tv money in the aac.. money isnt the reason

i never said they were joining...or that they would be the 12th..just that your justification for them not joining is wrong

I find the argument that BYU would turn down more money and better access to the NY6 simply due to their pride as ridiculous.

I do not think people know just how important East Carolina takes their Football Program, Traditions, and each and every game played on Saturdays.

But what I do think is happening is that the ACC, CUSA, MWC, SEC, MAC, BIG 12, PAC 12, BIG 10, Sunbelt are all coming to grips about how serious The American takes Football and Basketball.
Anyone can be ignorant of a team here or there, especially being so far west, but its past time to be ignorant of The AAC

We all paid and invested not only in our programs but this conference. We will ALL be paying if we leave the American - serious cash. This is not like 2.5 million entry and 2.5 million exit. There is not going to be some dream scenario where people out west get to choose the dream conference about kicking anyone out, because when there is this much invested in The AAC, we made the life raft. We Are the life raft.

Been following American Realignment since 2013 when ECU accepted invitation into Big East, and we take all of our information seriously and vet for days.
BYU works because we are like minded, and would benefit from us.

From my perspective from The American, "We are the ones who knock"

We are all Power 6 Programs, Not a 1.5 star Wonder of the MWC, where BSU tells some random school in SDSU what to do or not do, and then sue in court because your conference is bad.
Pick up BYU and stay at 12.

I don't think BYU is as concerned about money and some seem to think. BYU is owned by the Church of Latter-day Saints. The Church of Latter-day Saints has about 100 billion in an investment fund according to a 2019 report. They also own numerous other properties.

(01-15-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  byu its about pride ...they want to be a p5 along with utah...

Correct, and since it doesn't seem particularly likely that they will be invited to join a P5 conference any time soon, BYU's best bet would to join the AAC along with two other great FB schools, helping to propel the conference and themselves to P5 status in the next 5-10 years.

Moreover, they've got nothing to lose, because they can always back out if they ever do get an invitation to join an existing P5 conference.

Everything to gain and nothing to lose...seems like a good option, and unlike Boise, they've already got their BB and olympic teams in a western conference.

(01-15-2021 02:33 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  byu its about pride ...they want to be a p5 along with utah...

Correct, and since it doesn't seem particularly likely that they will be invited to join a P5 conference any time soon, BYU's best bet would to join the AAC along with two other great FB schools, helping to propel the conference and themselves to P5 status in the next 5-10 years.

Moreover, they've got nothing to lose, because they can always back out if they ever do get an invitation to join an existing P5 conference.

Everything to gain and nothing to lose...seems like a good option, and unlike Boise, they've already got their BB and olympic teams in a western conference.

My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

(01-15-2021 10:40 AM)CoogPaw Wrote:  I find it so odd that a Waco cubbie wishes to chime in over here. You'd think that they'd be just quietly grateful that they landed with extreme luck in the B12, knowing that they would have continued to be nothing without that silver spoon handed to them.

I sense some hostility.

(01-15-2021 10:47 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 10:19 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 07:30 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 10:27 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 10:18 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I hope so because it’s a silly rule.

No its not.

It's a rule that keeps title IX feasible and no it won't be changed. For similar reasons the new rule that will likely pass about divisionless championship for football will have a minimum number of conference games and a minimum time frame to play every conference team. Not doing so opens the door for shenanigans. If you can't afford to send your field hockey team 1200 miles, maybe you shouldn't be in a conference with a team 1200 miles away. This rule also prevents the forever shuffle that will follow as people try and construct the best conference right now, this minute like this board and the realignment board enjoy doing.

I wish people would quit acting like college athletics are pro sports, there are all kinds of differences with the most obvious being the legal restraints, in particular title IX. You can't just pour all your money into football or men's basketball, you have to provide equal support to your women's programs.

Yes, it’s silly. Having different opponents for revenue and non-revenue sports does not cause title 9 problems. One could argue that the teams that would not be traveling as far have it better concerning study time.

Of course it won't why would spending the extra money to send teams across country and have them stay overnight in hotels not cost extra resources? I mean you can build up the baseball team stadium and give them luxury boxes but your softball team can play in an empty field no biggie.

Title IX requires at least the appearence of equality. So when Oklahoma St spent a ton of money to upgrade facilities, they got in trouble and had to ensure they put an equal amount of effort and time into upgrading the women sports facilities which is why they just got a brand new softball complex. Putting your women's volleyball team on a bus to play schools within an hours drive while flying your men's basketball team to the east coast then west coast for conference games won't fly.

You all like to talk about football or basketball like they are independent pro sports clubs who share a name. They aren't they are gears in an overall athletic program.

Derp...Do you really think the Boise and SDSU softnall, golf, t &f teams want to travel to Wichita, Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, and Tulsa when they could be playing conference games in Cali?

Is there an equivalent female sport to football? Say something with 85 scholarships?

No? Ok, there is a reason why football only members are allowed. No matter what they will not equal out football so your overall athletic department has to do it somehow, which is also why most schools have more women's teams then men. It's also a small part of the reason why schools prefer to have all their sports in one single conference. If the school is sued they have to prove they are complying, if you have a men and womens soccer team going to the same places, playing the same teams with roughly the same budgets and shared facilities, etc its going to be hard to say you aren't providing equal support and opportunity.

Sports money isn't a drop in the bucket compared to that sweet endless federal money. Schools will not be risking that because the casual fan wants to see a super competitive men's basketball conference of pro quality.

Olympic sports will continue to be pinned together and basketball will continue to establish the home conference. All of which is why Aresco said geography doesn't matter for football only but will be relevant for any all sports or olympic sports add.

So there will be no splitting because it is against the current rule. The rule won't be changed very little of that commission's recommendations have found support or been moved towards NCAA rules.

(01-15-2021 02:11 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:50 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Lol - please let me know when the contract is signed and BYU is your 12th.

whats the lol for , you are making a joke for providing wrong information?

you- they make more tv money as an indy, thats why they wont considers the aac
me- mcmurphy says theyll make more tv money in the aac.. money isnt the reason

i never said they were joining...or that they would be the 12th..just that your justification for them not joining is wrong

I find the argument that BYU would turn down more money and better access to the NY6 simply due to their pride as ridiculous.

Than you understand very little about the overall dynamics of Utah and the Mormon religions national public relations. For BYU and the LDS this is all about where Utah is in perception and how they use BYU football for outreach and as a focal point of pride for the whole religion the same way the subway alum use to look at Notre Dame as a point of foisr and pride as catholics. It's has a little bit of their identity wrapped up in it, in a country that is largely ambivalent but occasionally degrading of them. To let BYU football be perceived as less than Utah football is a direct blow to the collective ego.

(01-15-2021 02:11 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:50 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Lol - please let me know when the contract is signed and BYU is your 12th.

whats the lol for , you are making a joke for providing wrong information?

you- they make more tv money as an indy, thats why they wont considers the aac
me- mcmurphy says theyll make more tv money in the aac.. money isnt the reason

i never said they were joining...or that they would be the 12th..just that your justification for them not joining is wrong

I find the argument that BYU would turn down more money and better access to the NY6 simply due to their pride as ridiculous.

the biggest source in college football says theyd make more tv money in the aac...

also by your very bad logic ....the aac can take any mwc team it wants at will??
last i checked the aac makes double what the mwc makes-- and boise leaked emails it almost a 10mil profit a year to join our league ..its not all about money

byu's top decision maker in athletics tom holmoe has declared that byu is power conference team.. in the quote i mentioned earlier that tom holmoe says all option will be considered if they cant get into a p5.. he declares that byu is a power team, and them will not move position until the power conference makes their move which he thinks is 2023, and will wait till all doors are closed ....
byu has made it clear they do not want to be associated with the "lower tier" of athletics and will hold out as long as possible

in the similar note, academics and religious affiliation has little to nothing to do with athletics ..yet conferences hold those 2 distinctions extremely high.... you are the one being ridiculous if you dont think pride and association plays a major role in conference expansion

(01-15-2021 03:05 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:33 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  byu its about pride ...they want to be a p5 along with utah...

Correct, and since it doesn't seem particularly likely that they will be invited to join a P5 conference any time soon, BYU's best bet would to join the AAC along with two other great FB schools, helping to propel the conference and themselves to P5 status in the next 5-10 years.

Moreover, they've got nothing to lose, because they can always back out if they ever do get an invitation to join an existing P5 conference.

Everything to gain and nothing to lose...seems like a good option, and unlike Boise, they've already got their BB and olympic teams in a western conference.

My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

Solid point. However, BYU doesn't usually play more than 4 games vs. P5 teams per year, and they could continue to do that if they were to join the AAC...

...but they wouldn't have to, because their strength of schedule would improve sufficiently if they were to play in the west division of the AAC that they wouldn't have to play four P5 games every single season, and they would gain the opportunity to play for a chance to compete in an expanded CFP.

BYU would be able to play a whole slew of high-profile games nearly every year, vs. teams including Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Navy, SMU, Tulsa, Houston, and Tulane (which has had surprisingly high viewership recently), plus whichever other western teams should choose to join them as new AAC members.