I love threads like thie. You know, where people speculate on another persons speculation, about an unvarified conversation, letter or picture. It's so imaginative. You can literally imply anything and be semi-right or wrong. Yet no one can prove or disprove you one way or the other. Then they're all tossed in together to add just the right amount of spice.

(01-14-2021 11:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 10:24 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 11:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 06:21 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(01-14-2021 04:05 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Lol...Honestly, I can’t think of a less important factor than it’s appeal as a travel destination.

The AAC is a made for tv league. It’s about brand, media value, and competitive value. There are 2 million people in Vegas and around 3 million in the whole state. Fresno only has about half a million people, but it’s in the middle of the San Joaquin Valley, which has about 4 million people and no pro sports. A second California school helps build interest in a state with 37 million people and gives you 6 extra potential late night starts per year—which has value to ESPN.

I get that UNLV could improve, but we are talking about trying to dominate the G5 slot. UNLV doesn’t do crap for that. Yeah, they are getting a new stadium—but they are also getting an 800 pound NFL gorilla that will suck most of the air out of the sports landscape in Vegas. UNLV barely gets support with no competition—what happens to their season ticket base when the NFL becomes an option for season tickets? That massive NFL stadium might not be the panacea you think it will be. UNLV has the real potential to end up facing what Tulane dealt with playing before small crowds in the Superdome. A small crowd in a massive stadium isn’t the best college football atmosphere.

Your opinion is well intentioned but short on facts. While there isn’t any pro sports in the SJV it doesn’t matter. Pro is king here. No one really cares all that much for college that isn’t eight Oregon or USC.

Fresno is a big city but an awful city with poor travel options. There isn’t **** there, it’s akin to being California’s Lubbock.

I get that—but pro is King most EVERYWHERE. UNLV will be no different, likely more so with their own NFL team. As for Fresno being a poor destination—who cares? It’s a TV league. Treveling fans make up a minuscule part of crowds. We each rely on our own fans to fill stadiums and UNLV has none.

Fresno generally tends to field very competitive football teams winning the MW championship in 2012, 2013, and 2018. Frenso draws far more fans than UNLV—which is a decent proxy for relative interest in the two programs. Fresno sucked in 2019 (4-8) and still averaged over 31K a game in attendance. UNLV couldnt even break 20K in average attendance in 2019.

Bottom line is UNLV is the MW version UConn football....but without the fading P5 brand name. UNLV’s only value lies in basketball and we wouldn’t be getting that. UNLV does nothing to make the AAC more dominate with respect to the G5 slot—in fact, their crap football program would be an anchor dragging down our league performance relative to other leagues. From a performance standpoint, Literally any other team in the MW would make a better addition than UNLV.

That’s what I’m saying if it’s a tv league Fresno isn’t going to draw. I’d think getting in and out of Fresno would be something fans would be at least interested in. I also brought up pro sports as being king bc California and the West as a whole isn’t like the South. College football is an afterthought. Not popular.

lol...you do realize UNLV is in the west? Look, UNLV sucks. They are UConn west--but with no fans at all---and no TV value at all. Ask CUSA about taking teams with no history of success just because they are in a "market". There is a reason the Sunbelt has roared past CUSA. I can only hope we wont make that same error. Look, if we add UNLV---its not going to be the end of the world---but UNLV is a dead weight addition that does absolutely nothing to get us closer to our goal.

I can tell you honestly---I was not a big fan of a Fresno addition in 2011 when their name came up during the Big East western wing attempt---but the more research I did---the more I found them to be a decent option if BYU and Air Force fell through. They have done nothing since then to prove that view wrong---winning the MW in 2012, 2013, and 2018. They have a solid attendance numbers for a G5 and are in a 4 million person area of California where there is no real competition. I know they arent BYU---but they are kinda AppSt west with a larger fan base. They are solid choice for a western #3.

Yes I do realize that. Where was I advocating unlv? You’re conflating me with someone else.

(01-15-2021 03:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:11 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:50 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Lol - please let me know when the contract is signed and BYU is your 12th.

whats the lol for , you are making a joke for providing wrong information?

you- they make more tv money as an indy, thats why they wont considers the aac
me- mcmurphy says theyll make more tv money in the aac.. money isnt the reason

i never said they were joining...or that they would be the 12th..just that your justification for them not joining is wrong

I find the argument that BYU would turn down more money and better access to the NY6 simply due to their pride as ridiculous.

the biggest source in college football says theyd make more tv money in the aac...

also by your very bad logic ....the aac can take any mwc team it wants at will??
last i checked the aac makes double what the mwc makes-- and boise leaked emails it almost a 10mil profit a year to join our league ..its not all about money

byu's top decision maker in athletics tom holmoe has declared that byu is power conference team.. in the quote i mentioned earlier that tom holmoe says all option will be considered if they cant get into a p5.. he declares that byu is a power team, and them will not move position until the power conference makes their move which he thinks is 2023, and will wait till all doors are closed ....
byu has made it clear they do not want to be associated with the "lower tier" of athletics and will hold out as long as possible

in the similar note, academics and religious affiliation has little to nothing to do with athletics ..yet conferences hold those 2 distinctions extremely high.... you are the one being ridiculous if you dont think pride and association plays a major role in conference expansion

I was talking only about BYU, I never mentioned the MWC. I think we all know why Boise hasn’t jumped ship so no need to beat that dead horse, no pun intended.

On a side, I’ve also been talking with some BYU alums and showed them this thread, they’re laughing at your argument that the AAC makes a ton more money off tv than their school. McMurphy isn’t the ultimate know it all that you’re positioning him as and those links you provided were pretty damn old and speculative as well. Until there is actual evidence with a full line item list of BYU’s television revenue being less than what they would receive as a member of the AAC, you’ve got nothing but speculation. Nothing.

(01-15-2021 03:38 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 03:05 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:33 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  byu its about pride ...they want to be a p5 along with utah...

Correct, and since it doesn't seem particularly likely that they will be invited to join a P5 conference any time soon, BYU's best bet would to join the AAC along with two other great FB schools, helping to propel the conference and themselves to P5 status in the next 5-10 years.

Moreover, they've got nothing to lose, because they can always back out if they ever do get an invitation to join an existing P5 conference.

Everything to gain and nothing to lose...seems like a good option, and unlike Boise, they've already got their BB and olympic teams in a western conference.

My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

Solid point. However, BYU doesn't usually play more than 4 games vs. P5 teams per year, and they could continue to do that if they were to join the AAC...

...but they wouldn't have to, because their strength of schedule would improve sufficiently if they were to play in the west division of the AAC that they wouldn't have to play four P5 games every single season, and they would gain the opportunity to play for a chance to compete in an expanded CFP.

BYU would be able to play a whole slew of high-profile games nearly every year, vs. teams including Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Navy, SMU, Tulsa, Houston, and Tulane (which has had surprisingly high viewership recently), plus whichever other western teams should choose to join them as new AAC members.

They originally had 6 this year and have 6 scheduled next year. I would assume that's the goal going forward. They also play who they want to out of the AAC & MWC including an annual date with Boise. So if anything joining won't improve the profile on it's own schedule wise.

I just don't see the draw being enough to pull them until the postseason format shifts and then it's a matter of what the landscape looks like.

(01-15-2021 04:00 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  I was talking only about BYU, I never mentioned the MWC. I think we all know why Boise hasn’t jumped ship so no need to beat that dead horse, no pun intended.

On a side, I’ve also been talking with some BYU alums and showed them this thread, they’re laughing at your argument that the AAC makes a ton more money off tv than their school. McMurphy isn’t the ultimate know it all that you’re positioning him as and those links you provided were pretty damn old and speculative as well. Until there is actual evidence with a full line item list of BYU’s television revenue being less than what they would receive as a member of the AAC, you’ve got nothing but speculation. Nothing.

because you are an alum you have access to byu athletic distribution information??? (it doesnt work like that)

incase you are missing my point.. 100% chance McMurphy knows more than the average byu alum/donor about this... your response is a bad backing point.. also why would McMurphy lie? he is the woj of college football (the biggest source guy in the sport, where his entire occupation is based on his credibility)..if he wasnt sure he didnt have to say it but he stated it to a byu media outlet where he could have been called out if he was wrong...

even common sense says they make less, as stated before, they only made about 4.5 mil the last deal,, their new deal has no espn+ and is short term, also adding byu was drastically lower in status when signed (it was signed prior to this season)...there was no reason for significant increase

you are basically being a flat earther at this point

(01-15-2021 04:38 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 04:00 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  I was talking only about BYU, I never mentioned the MWC. I think we all know why Boise hasn’t jumped ship so no need to beat that dead horse, no pun intended.

On a side, I’ve also been talking with some BYU alums and showed them this thread, they’re laughing at your argument that the AAC makes a ton more money off tv than their school. McMurphy isn’t the ultimate know it all that you’re positioning him as and those links you provided were pretty damn old and speculative as well. Until there is actual evidence with a full line item list of BYU’s television revenue being less than what they would receive as a member of the AAC, you’ve got nothing but speculation. Nothing.

because you are an alum you have access to byu athletic distribution information??? (it doesnt work like that)

incase you are missing my point.. 100% chance McMurphy knows more than the average byu alum/donor about this... your response is a bad backing point.. also why would McMurphy lie? he is the woj of college football (the biggest source guy in the sport, where his entire occupation is based on his credibility)..if he wasnt sure he didnt have to say it but he stated it to a byu media outlet where he could have been called out if he was wrong...

even common sense says they make less, as stated before, they only made about 4.5 mil the last deal,, their new deal has no espn+ and is short term, also adding byu was drastically lower in status when signed (it was signed prior to this season)...there was no reason for significant increase

you are basically being a flat earther at this point

I never said McMurphy lied, I implied he was speculating. And the proof is in the pudding. Show me the accounting, an actual verification of BYU making peanuts, and you’ll change my mind. Otherwise you’re just spewing hot air.

More TV money doesn't mean more money overall. Many posit that BYU's donations and sponsorships would take a nose-dive with an AAC or MWC football schedule. A couple of great P5 home games with 64K+ fans are worth more than the entire annual TV contract.

And, exposure and fan access are worth more to BYU than many other schools...though COVID has taken a real toll...and realities could push BYU to some tough decisions.

(01-15-2021 10:40 AM)CoogPaw Wrote:  I find it so odd that a Waco cubbie wishes to chime in over here. You'd think that they'd be just quietly grateful that they landed with extreme luck in the B12, knowing that they would have continued to be nothing without that silver spoon handed to them.

I feel the same why when that lone Wake Forest fan makes an appearance.....

(12-29-2020 04:20 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  Add Boise. Better TV value than leaving a vacancy, greatly enhances the football perception compared to the team that left, opens the door for adding two more from the west (preferably BYU who would be wise to see the advantages of conference play with respect to NY6 and expanded CFP plus SDSU). The latter two probably desire an invite once the Big 12 contract renewal in 2025 ends any thoughts of expansion. It all screams P6 and inclusion.

(01-15-2021 06:00 PM)YNot Wrote:  More TV money doesn't mean more money overall. Many posit that BYU's donations and sponsorships would take a nose-dive with an AAC or MWC football schedule. A couple of great P5 home games with 64K+ fans are worth more than the entire annual TV contract.

And, exposure and fan access are worth more to BYU than many other schools...though COVID has taken a real toll...and realities could push BYU to some tough decisions.

Agree but with 4 OC games, there is no reason BYU couldn’t have two home games with P5. Looking at your future schedules so far it looks like other than 2021 most years you would be playing 4 P5 schools and no more than 2 at home.
I do understand that according to report by BYU only 6% of their income comes from TV revenue so about 4.5 million and doubt they will join AAC unless the league had a yearly automatic access to the NY6 bowl as Utah does in PAC.
But I do think adding SDSU and Boise to AAC could make BYU take a second look, specially if ESPN sweetens the deal.

(01-15-2021 03:05 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:33 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  byu its about pride ...they want to be a p5 along with utah...

Correct, and since it doesn't seem particularly likely that they will be invited to join a P5 conference any time soon, BYU's best bet would to join the AAC along with two other great FB schools, helping to propel the conference and themselves to P5 status in the next 5-10 years.

Moreover, they've got nothing to lose, because they can always back out if they ever do get an invitation to join an existing P5 conference.

Everything to gain and nothing to lose...seems like a good option, and unlike Boise, they've already got their BB and olympic teams in a western conference.

My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

(01-15-2021 03:38 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 03:05 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:33 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  byu its about pride ...they want to be a p5 along with utah...

Correct, and since it doesn't seem particularly likely that they will be invited to join a P5 conference any time soon, BYU's best bet would to join the AAC along with two other great FB schools, helping to propel the conference and themselves to P5 status in the next 5-10 years.

Moreover, they've got nothing to lose, because they can always back out if they ever do get an invitation to join an existing P5 conference.

Everything to gain and nothing to lose...seems like a good option, and unlike Boise, they've already got their BB and olympic teams in a western conference.

My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

Solid point. However, BYU doesn't usually play more than 4 games vs. P5 teams per year, and they could continue to do that if they were to join the AAC...

...but they wouldn't have to, because their strength of schedule would improve sufficiently if they were to play in the west division of the AAC that they wouldn't have to play four P5 games every single season, and they would gain the opportunity to play for a chance to compete in an expanded CFP.

BYU would be able to play a whole slew of high-profile games nearly every year, vs. teams including Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Navy, SMU, Tulsa, Houston, and Tulane (which has had surprisingly high viewership recently), plus whichever other western teams should choose to join them as new AAC members.

keep this in mind... in the current CFP format, an undefeated BYU has no chance of being in the playoffs, but as a member of the AAC with 4 AQ OOC on the schedule, they will more than likely be in the playoffs as an undefeated team.

Look at how they wee ranked this year with their less than average schedule... until they lost a game.

Lots of national media coverage if you are ranked 10 or better for most of the year.

(01-15-2021 07:47 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 03:05 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:33 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  byu its about pride ...they want to be a p5 along with utah...

Correct, and since it doesn't seem particularly likely that they will be invited to join a P5 conference any time soon, BYU's best bet would to join the AAC along with two other great FB schools, helping to propel the conference and themselves to P5 status in the next 5-10 years.

Moreover, they've got nothing to lose, because they can always back out if they ever do get an invitation to join an existing P5 conference.

Everything to gain and nothing to lose...seems like a good option, and unlike Boise, they've already got their BB and olympic teams in a western conference.

My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

(01-15-2021 03:38 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 03:05 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:33 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  byu its about pride ...they want to be a p5 along with utah...

Correct, and since it doesn't seem particularly likely that they will be invited to join a P5 conference any time soon, BYU's best bet would to join the AAC along with two other great FB schools, helping to propel the conference and themselves to P5 status in the next 5-10 years.

Moreover, they've got nothing to lose, because they can always back out if they ever do get an invitation to join an existing P5 conference.

Everything to gain and nothing to lose...seems like a good option, and unlike Boise, they've already got their BB and olympic teams in a western conference.

My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

Solid point. However, BYU doesn't usually play more than 4 games vs. P5 teams per year, and they could continue to do that if they were to join the AAC...

...but they wouldn't have to, because their strength of schedule would improve sufficiently if they were to play in the west division of the AAC that they wouldn't have to play four P5 games every single season, and they would gain the opportunity to play for a chance to compete in an expanded CFP.

BYU would be able to play a whole slew of high-profile games nearly every year, vs. teams including Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Navy, SMU, Tulsa, Houston, and Tulane (which has had surprisingly high viewership recently), plus whichever other western teams should choose to join them as new AAC members.

keep this in mind... in the current CFP format, an undefeated BYU has no chance of being in the playoffs, but as a member of the AAC with 4 AQ OOC on the schedule, they will more than likely be in the playoffs as an undefeated team.

Look at how they wee ranked this year with their less than average schedule... until they lost a game.

Lots of national media coverage if you are ranked 10 or better for most of the year.

Getting 4 scheduled isn’t likely on either front imo.

Both BYU’s desire for X amount of home games annually and the difficulty getting four all in september

(01-15-2021 03:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:11 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:50 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Lol - please let me know when the contract is signed and BYU is your 12th.

whats the lol for , you are making a joke for providing wrong information?

you- they make more tv money as an indy, thats why they wont considers the aac
me- mcmurphy says theyll make more tv money in the aac.. money isnt the reason

i never said they were joining...or that they would be the 12th..just that your justification for them not joining is wrong

I find the argument that BYU would turn down more money and better access to the NY6 simply due to their pride as ridiculous.

the biggest source in college football says theyd make more tv money in the aac...

also by your very bad logic ....the aac can take any mwc team it wants at will??
last i checked the aac makes double what the mwc makes-- and boise leaked emails it almost a 10mil profit a year to join our league ..its not all about money

byu's top decision maker in athletics tom holmoe has declared that byu is power conference team.. in the quote i mentioned earlier that tom holmoe says all option will be considered if they cant get into a p5.. he declares that byu is a power team, and them will not move position until the power conference makes their move which he thinks is 2023, and will wait till all doors are closed ....
byu has made it clear they do not want to be associated with the "lower tier" of athletics and will hold out as long as possible

in the similar note, academics and religious affiliation has little to nothing to do with athletics ..yet conferences hold those 2 distinctions extremely high.... you are the one being ridiculous if you dont think pride and association plays a major role in conference expansion

On the money side, AAC teams get about $2M each per year from the CFP, while BYU only gets $300k. Another half million or so for AAC's other bowl revenues (adjusted by ticket sales or lack thereof etc)
That would only be a small small portion of BYU's overall athletic/football revenues, but it does tip the scales in favor of the AAC over independence for a narrow look at TV + CFP/bowls football $
Can we assume attendance and therefore revenue at BYU home games would stay steady with AAC membership plus keeping their high value OOC games? I say yes, others could nitpick. It seems to me it's a fanbase that will still show up even if the opponent is Tulsa instead of Washington State.
And I don't even think money would be the deciding factor with bigger mission and pride and other considerations. But "more TV/CFP money in the AAC" passes the common sense check.

(01-15-2021 08:33 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 07:47 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 03:05 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:33 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  byu its about pride ...they want to be a p5 along with utah...

Correct, and since it doesn't seem particularly likely that they will be invited to join a P5 conference any time soon, BYU's best bet would to join the AAC along with two other great FB schools, helping to propel the conference and themselves to P5 status in the next 5-10 years.

Moreover, they've got nothing to lose, because they can always back out if they ever do get an invitation to join an existing P5 conference.

Everything to gain and nothing to lose...seems like a good option, and unlike Boise, they've already got their BB and olympic teams in a western conference.

My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

(01-15-2021 03:38 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 03:05 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:33 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Correct, and since it doesn't seem particularly likely that they will be invited to join a P5 conference any time soon, BYU's best bet would to join the AAC along with two other great FB schools, helping to propel the conference and themselves to P5 status in the next 5-10 years.

Moreover, they've got nothing to lose, because they can always back out if they ever do get an invitation to join an existing P5 conference.

Everything to gain and nothing to lose...seems like a good option, and unlike Boise, they've already got their BB and olympic teams in a western conference.

My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

Solid point. However, BYU doesn't usually play more than 4 games vs. P5 teams per year, and they could continue to do that if they were to join the AAC...

...but they wouldn't have to, because their strength of schedule would improve sufficiently if they were to play in the west division of the AAC that they wouldn't have to play four P5 games every single season, and they would gain the opportunity to play for a chance to compete in an expanded CFP.

BYU would be able to play a whole slew of high-profile games nearly every year, vs. teams including Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Navy, SMU, Tulsa, Houston, and Tulane (which has had surprisingly high viewership recently), plus whichever other western teams should choose to join them as new AAC members.

keep this in mind... in the current CFP format, an undefeated BYU has no chance of being in the playoffs, but as a member of the AAC with 4 AQ OOC on the schedule, they will more than likely be in the playoffs as an undefeated team.

Look at how they wee ranked this year with their less than average schedule... until they lost a game.

Lots of national media coverage if you are ranked 10 or better for most of the year.

Getting 4 scheduled isn’t likely on either front imo.

Both BYU’s desire for X amount of home games annually and the difficulty getting four all in september

I don't think it will be that hard, the drawback might be in the quality of opponent... I'm sure the AAC would work with BYU to fit 4 AQ on their schedule... Navy plays army after the regular season is over, the flexibility is there.

(01-15-2021 10:14 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 08:33 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 07:47 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 03:05 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:33 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Correct, and since it doesn't seem particularly likely that they will be invited to join a P5 conference any time soon, BYU's best bet would to join the AAC along with two other great FB schools, helping to propel the conference and themselves to P5 status in the next 5-10 years.

Moreover, they've got nothing to lose, because they can always back out if they ever do get an invitation to join an existing P5 conference.

Everything to gain and nothing to lose...seems like a good option, and unlike Boise, they've already got their BB and olympic teams in a western conference.

My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

(01-15-2021 03:38 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 03:05 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

Solid point. However, BYU doesn't usually play more than 4 games vs. P5 teams per year, and they could continue to do that if they were to join the AAC...

...but they wouldn't have to, because their strength of schedule would improve sufficiently if they were to play in the west division of the AAC that they wouldn't have to play four P5 games every single season, and they would gain the opportunity to play for a chance to compete in an expanded CFP.

BYU would be able to play a whole slew of high-profile games nearly every year, vs. teams including Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Navy, SMU, Tulsa, Houston, and Tulane (which has had surprisingly high viewership recently), plus whichever other western teams should choose to join them as new AAC members.

keep this in mind... in the current CFP format, an undefeated BYU has no chance of being in the playoffs, but as a member of the AAC with 4 AQ OOC on the schedule, they will more than likely be in the playoffs as an undefeated team.

Look at how they wee ranked this year with their less than average schedule... until they lost a game.

Lots of national media coverage if you are ranked 10 or better for most of the year.

Getting 4 scheduled isn’t likely on either front imo.

Both BYU’s desire for X amount of home games annually and the difficulty getting four all in september

I don't think it will be that hard, the drawback might be in the quality of opponent... I'm sure the AAC would work with BYU to fit 4 AQ on their schedule... Navy plays army after the regular season is over, the flexibility is there.

One steady game after title weekend most years everyone wants is one thing- scheduling a revolving door of teams each year is a different one given how far out teams schedule

(01-15-2021 11:10 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 10:14 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 08:33 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 07:47 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 03:05 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  My read on BYU is multi-motivation:


- The comparison with Utah as far as overall profile is accurate. Easier to claim P5 status playing 4-7 P5's and Boise annually

- They want exposure as the program is somewhat of a front doorstep marketing project for the church that owns the school. Getting as much tv exposure as possible was a major part of the desire for independence to begin with.

- Additionally they want a national profile which is why they are scheduling teams all over the country from the P5 for exposure as well. Not just tv but also being discussed as a major opponent for teams all over. For instance they got a lot of attention outside their footprint by beating Tennessee, Wisconsin, Texas, USC, and Nebraska in recent years.

- Money won't ever be irrelevant but a small jump won't motivate them the way it would schools with other goals in mind.

(01-15-2021 03:38 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  Solid point. However, BYU doesn't usually play more than 4 games vs. P5 teams per year, and they could continue to do that if they were to join the AAC...

...but they wouldn't have to, because their strength of schedule would improve sufficiently if they were to play in the west division of the AAC that they wouldn't have to play four P5 games every single season, and they would gain the opportunity to play for a chance to compete in an expanded CFP.

BYU would be able to play a whole slew of high-profile games nearly every year, vs. teams including Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Navy, SMU, Tulsa, Houston, and Tulane (which has had surprisingly high viewership recently), plus whichever other western teams should choose to join them as new AAC members.

keep this in mind... in the current CFP format, an undefeated BYU has no chance of being in the playoffs, but as a member of the AAC with 4 AQ OOC on the schedule, they will more than likely be in the playoffs as an undefeated team.

Look at how they wee ranked this year with their less than average schedule... until they lost a game.

Lots of national media coverage if you are ranked 10 or better for most of the year.

Getting 4 scheduled isn’t likely on either front imo.

Both BYU’s desire for X amount of home games annually and the difficulty getting four all in september

I don't think it will be that hard, the drawback might be in the quality of opponent... I'm sure the AAC would work with BYU to fit 4 AQ on their schedule... Navy plays army after the regular season is over, the flexibility is there.

One steady game after title weekend most years everyone wants is one thing- scheduling a revolving door of teams each year is a different one given how far out teams schedule

West Virginia is a bad fit in the Big 12 (all sport member). Travel ? Culture ? Fit ?
Is Boise State a worse fit in the American (all sport member). Travel ? Culture ? Fit ?

(01-15-2021 04:00 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 03:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 02:11 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 01:50 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Lol - please let me know when the contract is signed and BYU is your 12th.

whats the lol for , you are making a joke for providing wrong information?

you- they make more tv money as an indy, thats why they wont considers the aac
me- mcmurphy says theyll make more tv money in the aac.. money isnt the reason

i never said they were joining...or that they would be the 12th..just that your justification for them not joining is wrong

I find the argument that BYU would turn down more money and better access to the NY6 simply due to their pride as ridiculous.

the biggest source in college football says theyd make more tv money in the aac...

also by your very bad logic ....the aac can take any mwc team it wants at will??
last i checked the aac makes double what the mwc makes-- and boise leaked emails it almost a 10mil profit a year to join our league ..its not all about money

byu's top decision maker in athletics tom holmoe has declared that byu is power conference team.. in the quote i mentioned earlier that tom holmoe says all option will be considered if they cant get into a p5.. he declares that byu is a power team, and them will not move position until the power conference makes their move which he thinks is 2023, and will wait till all doors are closed ....
byu has made it clear they do not want to be associated with the "lower tier" of athletics and will hold out as long as possible

in the similar note, academics and religious affiliation has little to nothing to do with athletics ..yet conferences hold those 2 distinctions extremely high.... you are the one being ridiculous if you dont think pride and association plays a major role in conference expansion

I was talking only about BYU, I never mentioned the MWC. I think we all know why Boise hasn’t jumped ship so no need to beat that dead horse, no pun intended.

On a side, I’ve also been talking with some BYU alums and showed them this thread, they’re laughing at your argument that the AAC makes a ton more money off tv than their school. McMurphy isn’t the ultimate know it all that you’re positioning him as and those links you provided were pretty damn old and speculative as well. Until there is actual evidence with a full line item list of BYU’s television revenue being less than what they would receive as a member of the AAC, you’ve got nothing but speculation. Nothing.

I doubt the AAC makes more--I suspect it averages around the same amount. From what I understand, BYU's last deal was flexible. They received a certain amount for each game ESPN showed and it was sliding scale---more for ABC/ESPN games---less for ESPN2 or ESPNU. I believe ESPN had to pick up at least 4 games--but could show more. I think the per game pay supposedly maxed out at about a million for an ABC game. So---it could only be around 3 million--or around twice that much----depending on how many games ESPN picked up and what network they were broadcast on. I suspect the newest BYU deal has a similar structure with moderately increased game rates--but thats just a guess.

(01-15-2021 11:59 PM)DeeHee33 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 11:10 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 10:14 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 08:33 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(01-15-2021 07:47 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  keep this in mind... in the current CFP format, an undefeated BYU has no chance of being in the playoffs, but as a member of the AAC with 4 AQ OOC on the schedule, they will more than likely be in the playoffs as an undefeated team.

Look at how they wee ranked this year with their less than average schedule... until they lost a game.

Lots of national media coverage if you are ranked 10 or better for most of the year.

Getting 4 scheduled isn’t likely on either front imo.

Both BYU’s desire for X amount of home games annually and the difficulty getting four all in september

I don't think it will be that hard, the drawback might be in the quality of opponent... I'm sure the AAC would work with BYU to fit 4 AQ on their schedule... Navy plays army after the regular season is over, the flexibility is there.

One steady game after title weekend most years everyone wants is one thing- scheduling a revolving door of teams each year is a different one given how far out teams schedule

West Virginia is a bad fit in the Big 12 (all sport member). Travel ? Culture ? Fit ?
Is Boise State a worse fit in the American (all sport member). Travel ? Culture ? Fit ?

Boise is a good enough fit in the american.

I have no idea what that has to do with my point about BYU

BYU as a football only member makes sense, Air Force as a football only member makes sense, I guess Boise State as football only makes sense but I just don't see it happening. Though once the waiver is up, the AAC will have to recruit someone to make the move. Any dark horse candidates out there besides those 3?

(01-15-2021 08:36 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  First off adding 2 schools leaves you in the same unbalanced place you are right now. If you add you do 1 or 3, not 2. Second there is no sign that Espn has said they will add anything to AAC deal.

I don't think that ESPN willingness to add anything to the original AAC deal is as much the issue as it would trigger a new negotiation entirely.

(01-16-2021 01:50 AM)Realignment Wrote:  BYU as a football only member makes sense, Air Force as a football only member makes sense, I guess Boise State as football only makes sense but I just don't see it happening. Though once the waiver is up, the AAC will have to recruit someone to make the move. Any dark horse candidates out there besides those 3?

I think adding three football only teams is small-time thinking. If the AAC is going to pull the trigger, it's going to have to be three all sports invites. Actually that would benefit all parties tremendously. BYU, Boise and SDSU would really help to beef up the AAC on the men's basketball side of things while allowing those three to become the core of a new west division for football. Heck getting those three for basketball would probably make Gonzaga want to come along.
FOOTBALL:
West
Byu, Boise, SDSU, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Navy
EAST
Memphis, Cincy, UCF, USF, Temple, Tulane, ECU
BASKETBALL:
Gonzaga, Memphis, Cincy, UCF, USF, Temple, Tulsa, Tulane, ECU, BYU, Boise, SDSU, Houston, SMU, Wichita
Everyone plays once with four made for TV matchups for an 18 game conference schedule.
All Olympics play only in their respective divisions until the conference championships,,,,,,money saved with all parties happy.