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(12-20-2020 07:46 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 01:37 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 01:29 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I may be wrong but I think the College Football committee responded to Mike Aresco complaints regarding the G5 teams and respect for Cincinnati or the AAC by dropping Cincinnati to 9th. The committee response included the UCF claiming to by National Champ.

In other words Shut Up or I will drop drop some more.
Thoughts?

I don't buy it... barring a huge string of weird events, UC wasn't going to be ranked in the Top 4. Anything other than that was irrelevant anyway. And by dropping UC to 8 and then 9, the committee generated far more publicity and support for UC than ranking them at 5 or 6. Remember the committee has already established a precedent for jumping teams out of order when the moved OSU over Baylor and TCU. SO having UC at even 5 and then jumping someone over them would not have been a big deal

And I think they put a buffer between the "Top 4" and UC in case COVID eliminates a team or two. That would be justice for the CFP committee. Can you imagein 4 teams eliminated and UC moves up?

Definitely believe that could be a big part of it. Same way that is the CFP is expanded to 8 teams suddenly UC and/or the best G5 teams will fly works the 8th spot but suddenly barely crack the to 10. Unless a guaranteed G5 spot is made available, the Turf Ceiling will stay in place.

I just hope we can continue to schedule middle two upper middle P5 teams to build our resumé, brand and SOS

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Love seeing this as the lead story on Yahoo this morning. It's the same Wetzel article Bearhawkeye shared above. There is a ton of momentum and sentiment in our favor right now. Hopefully this will help spur change soon.

Clemson is the better team and i expect them to win handily but Dabo with some bulletin board material:

(12-21-2020 10:34 AM)eroc Wrote:  Clemson is the better team and i expect them to win handily but Dabo with some bulletin board material:

Yeah, Dabo might be getting a little too cocky for his own good. That said... if that's truly what he believes (or his grad assistant who fills out the poll believes), then so be it. There is a very valid argument against OSU, even though I don't think there is anyone who missed the playoff who is definitively a better team.

(12-21-2020 06:06 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 07:46 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 01:37 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 01:29 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I may be wrong but I think the College Football committee responded to Mike Aresco complaints regarding the G5 teams and respect for Cincinnati or the AAC by dropping Cincinnati to 9th. The committee response included the UCF claiming to by National Champ.

In other words Shut Up or I will drop drop some more.
Thoughts?

I don't buy it... barring a huge string of weird events, UC wasn't going to be ranked in the Top 4. Anything other than that was irrelevant anyway. And by dropping UC to 8 and then 9, the committee generated far more publicity and support for UC than ranking them at 5 or 6. Remember the committee has already established a precedent for jumping teams out of order when the moved OSU over Baylor and TCU. SO having UC at even 5 and then jumping someone over them would not have been a big deal

And I think they put a buffer between the "Top 4" and UC in case COVID eliminates a team or two. That would be justice for the CFP committee. Can you imagein 4 teams eliminated and UC moves up?

Definitely believe that could be a big part of it. Same way that is the CFP is expanded to 8 teams suddenly UC and/or the best G5 teams will fly works the 8th spot but suddenly barely crack the to 10. Unless a guaranteed G5 spot is made available, the Turf Ceiling will stay in place.

I just hope we can continue to schedule middle two upper middle P5 teams to build our resumé, brand and SOS

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Bolded, agreed. You would still have five "G" conferences battling for one slot while five "P" conferences shared seven slots. Short of that guarantee, we would see the same collusion occur that resulted in the manipulation of poll positions five through ten this year. It was so blatant that many in the usually "P5 loyal media" joined the chorus of critics.

I think in that case, we would begin to see the G5 herd begin to thin. It could be the American and a small handful of others from the MWC and Sun Belt that decide to form some sort of scheduling alignment or superconference.

(12-21-2020 11:21 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 06:06 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 07:46 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 01:37 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 01:29 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I may be wrong but I think the College Football committee responded to Mike Aresco complaints regarding the G5 teams and respect for Cincinnati or the AAC by dropping Cincinnati to 9th. The committee response included the UCF claiming to by National Champ.

In other words Shut Up or I will drop drop some more.
Thoughts?

I don't buy it... barring a huge string of weird events, UC wasn't going to be ranked in the Top 4. Anything other than that was irrelevant anyway. And by dropping UC to 8 and then 9, the committee generated far more publicity and support for UC than ranking them at 5 or 6. Remember the committee has already established a precedent for jumping teams out of order when the moved OSU over Baylor and TCU. SO having UC at even 5 and then jumping someone over them would not have been a big deal

And I think they put a buffer between the "Top 4" and UC in case COVID eliminates a team or two. That would be justice for the CFP committee. Can you imagein 4 teams eliminated and UC moves up?

Definitely believe that could be a big part of it. Same way that is the CFP is expanded to 8 teams suddenly UC and/or the best G5 teams will fly works the 8th spot but suddenly barely crack the to 10. Unless a guaranteed G5 spot is made available, the Turf Ceiling will stay in place.

I just hope we can continue to schedule middle two upper middle P5 teams to build our resumé, brand and SOS

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Bolded, agreed. You would still have five "G" conferences battling for one slot while five "P" conferences shared seven slots. Short of that guarantee, we would see the same collusion occur that resulted in the manipulation of poll positions five through ten this year. It was so blatant that many in the usually "P5 loyal media" joined the chorus of critics.

I think in that case, we would begin to see the G5 herd begin to thin. It could be the American and a small handful of others from the MWC and Sun Belt that decide to form some sort of scheduling alignment or superconference.

The move is the 6 highest ranked conference champions regardless of conference. This year that would include Cincinnati and Coastal and the PAC 12 would be left out. Most years it would be P5 + 1 G5. Then 2 at large teams.

(12-21-2020 11:23 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 11:21 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 06:06 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 07:46 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 01:37 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  I don't buy it... barring a huge string of weird events, UC wasn't going to be ranked in the Top 4. Anything other than that was irrelevant anyway. And by dropping UC to 8 and then 9, the committee generated far more publicity and support for UC than ranking them at 5 or 6. Remember the committee has already established a precedent for jumping teams out of order when the moved OSU over Baylor and TCU. SO having UC at even 5 and then jumping someone over them would not have been a big deal

And I think they put a buffer between the "Top 4" and UC in case COVID eliminates a team or two. That would be justice for the CFP committee. Can you imagein 4 teams eliminated and UC moves up?

Definitely believe that could be a big part of it. Same way that is the CFP is expanded to 8 teams suddenly UC and/or the best G5 teams will fly works the 8th spot but suddenly barely crack the to 10. Unless a guaranteed G5 spot is made available, the Turf Ceiling will stay in place.

I just hope we can continue to schedule middle two upper middle P5 teams to build our resumé, brand and SOS

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Bolded, agreed. You would still have five "G" conferences battling for one slot while five "P" conferences shared seven slots. Short of that guarantee, we would see the same collusion occur that resulted in the manipulation of poll positions five through ten this year. It was so blatant that many in the usually "P5 loyal media" joined the chorus of critics.

I think in that case, we would begin to see the G5 herd begin to thin. It could be the American and a small handful of others from the MWC and Sun Belt that decide to form some sort of scheduling alignment or superconference.

The move is the 6 highest ranked conference champions regardless of conference. This year that would include Cincinnati and Coastal and the PAC 12 would be left out. Most years it would be P5 + 1 G5. Then 2 at large teams.

I agree that's the right way to do it. Don't know if the P5 would go for it though. If that was the case this year, the Pac 12 would be raising hell.

(12-21-2020 11:55 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 11:23 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 11:21 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 06:06 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 07:46 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  And I think they put a buffer between the "Top 4" and UC in case COVID eliminates a team or two. That would be justice for the CFP committee. Can you imagein 4 teams eliminated and UC moves up?

Definitely believe that could be a big part of it. Same way that is the CFP is expanded to 8 teams suddenly UC and/or the best G5 teams will fly works the 8th spot but suddenly barely crack the to 10. Unless a guaranteed G5 spot is made available, the Turf Ceiling will stay in place.

I just hope we can continue to schedule middle two upper middle P5 teams to build our resumé, brand and SOS

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Bolded, agreed. You would still have five "G" conferences battling for one slot while five "P" conferences shared seven slots. Short of that guarantee, we would see the same collusion occur that resulted in the manipulation of poll positions five through ten this year. It was so blatant that many in the usually "P5 loyal media" joined the chorus of critics.

I think in that case, we would begin to see the G5 herd begin to thin. It could be the American and a small handful of others from the MWC and Sun Belt that decide to form some sort of scheduling alignment or superconference.

The move is the 6 highest ranked conference champions regardless of conference. This year that would include Cincinnati and Coastal and the PAC 12 would be left out. Most years it would be P5 + 1 G5. Then 2 at large teams.

I agree that's the right way to do it. Don't know if the P5 would go for it though. If that was the case this year, the Pac 12 would be raising hell.

Of all years, this year the Pac12 would have zero argument. They chose to get in the game late. You have to pay for that decision.

If those were the rules, somehow Oregon would have wound up ranked higher than Coastal Carolina. The fix will still be in no matter the official rules are.

(12-21-2020 05:09 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

I saw that and thought it was amazing.

Honestly, we need more of this. The fans and programs need to pull for each other when they have these kind of seasons. We need to be United!

Instead of laughing at UCF, we should back them as much as possible.

Instead of arguing whether Cincy or Coastal Carolina deserve the NY6 bid this year, we should be arguing that both deserve it.

(12-21-2020 11:23 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 11:21 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 06:06 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 07:46 PM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 01:37 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  I don't buy it... barring a huge string of weird events, UC wasn't going to be ranked in the Top 4. Anything other than that was irrelevant anyway. And by dropping UC to 8 and then 9, the committee generated far more publicity and support for UC than ranking them at 5 or 6. Remember the committee has already established a precedent for jumping teams out of order when the moved OSU over Baylor and TCU. SO having UC at even 5 and then jumping someone over them would not have been a big deal

And I think they put a buffer between the "Top 4" and UC in case COVID eliminates a team or two. That would be justice for the CFP committee. Can you imagein 4 teams eliminated and UC moves up?

Definitely believe that could be a big part of it. Same way that is the CFP is expanded to 8 teams suddenly UC and/or the best G5 teams will fly works the 8th spot but suddenly barely crack the to 10. Unless a guaranteed G5 spot is made available, the Turf Ceiling will stay in place.

I just hope we can continue to schedule middle two upper middle P5 teams to build our resumé, brand and SOS

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Bolded, agreed. You would still have five "G" conferences battling for one slot while five "P" conferences shared seven slots. Short of that guarantee, we would see the same collusion occur that resulted in the manipulation of poll positions five through ten this year. It was so blatant that many in the usually "P5 loyal media" joined the chorus of critics.

I think in that case, we would begin to see the G5 herd begin to thin. It could be the American and a small handful of others from the MWC and Sun Belt that decide to form some sort of scheduling alignment or superconference.

The move is the 6 highest ranked conference champions regardless of conference. This year that would include Cincinnati and Coastal and the PAC 12 would be left out. Most years it would be P5 + 1 G5. Then 2 at large teams.

Well that’s similar to what I suggest, but it actually opens up a very slim chance that 2 G5 teams get in at the expense of a P5 conference. Doubt the P5 would agree to that, but we have to have one spot guaranteed for the G5 or they will just manipulate the polls so that we are still left out. If we can slip that language by them, then it would absolutely be the best option, and easier to explain.

(12-21-2020 12:12 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  If those were the rules, somehow Oregon would have wound up ranked higher than Coastal Carolina. The fix will still be in no matter the official rules are.

Agree, but we would still be guaranteed one spot, which is a huge win for us.

(12-21-2020 12:55 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 12:12 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  If those were the rules, somehow Oregon would have wound up ranked higher than Coastal Carolina. The fix will still be in no matter the official rules are.

Agree, but we would still be guaranteed one spot, which is a huge win for us.

Yep. And in their fans' arrogance, they would consider that G5 opponent as a bye for whoever drew that seed. Don't let the truth get in the way of their good story aobut the inferiority of the G5; short memories for all of when Boise beat Oklahoma, UCF beat Auburn or Houston beat Florida State.

Columbus radio guys today are ripping the committee for shafting Cincinnati, especially having Florida ahead of them. I don't recall them banging the drum in support of UCF, so we have a lot of people on our side.

(12-21-2020 03:30 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Columbus radio guys today are ripping the committee for shafting Cincinnati, especially having Florida ahead of them. I don't recall them banging the drum in support of UCF, so we have a lot of people on our side.

Can we beat Alabama or Clemson. Honestly probably not but we know Notre Dame and Texas A&M can't so we should be given a chance. Our defense is capable of making plays so we might make the game interesting. No possibility of a Cinderella season in the current system.

(12-21-2020 03:41 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 03:30 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Columbus radio guys today are ripping the committee for shafting Cincinnati, especially having Florida ahead of them. I don't recall them banging the drum in support of UCF, so we have a lot of people on our side.

Can we beat Alabama or Clemson. Honestly probably not but we know Notre Dame and Texas A&M can't so we should be given a chance. Our defense is capable of making plays so we might make the game interesting. No possibility of a Cinderella season in the current system.

Bolded... no disrespect but the question is not whether we should be "given" a chance, it is whether we could beat ND or A&M or whomever finished 4th-5th. If not, then we didn't earn a spot. This year, I believe we could be as competitive as the two teams above us. I don't want, nor do I believe the Bearcats would want, anything given to them. If I'm being too word picky, I apologize. I just think there's a major perception difference between the general public hearing "why not" in relation to UC and "they earned it, give them their due".

(12-21-2020 04:06 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 03:41 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 03:30 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Columbus radio guys today are ripping the committee for shafting Cincinnati, especially having Florida ahead of them. I don't recall them banging the drum in support of UCF, so we have a lot of people on our side.

Can we beat Alabama or Clemson. Honestly probably not but we know Notre Dame and Texas A&M can't so we should be given a chance. Our defense is capable of making plays so we might make the game interesting. No possibility of a Cinderella season in the current system.

Bolded... no disrespect but the question is not whether we should be "given" a chance, it is whether we could beat ND or A&M or whomever finished 4th-5th. If not, then we didn't earn a spot. This year, I believe we could be as competitive as the two teams above us. I don't want, nor do I believe the Bearcats would want, anything given to them. If I'm being too word picky, I apologize. I just think there's a major perception difference between the general public hearing "why not" in relation to UC and "they earned it, give them their due".

No I definitely think we could beat ND and A&M. Would love a shot at Ohio State also; they have great talent but in many ways I think we are a playing a better brand of football this year. Heck in my eyes Indiana is very overrated and they gave OSU a scare and Northwestern a very poor offensive team gave them a game.

(12-21-2020 04:18 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 04:06 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 03:41 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-21-2020 03:30 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Columbus radio guys today are ripping the committee for shafting Cincinnati, especially having Florida ahead of them. I don't recall them banging the drum in support of UCF, so we have a lot of people on our side.

Can we beat Alabama or Clemson. Honestly probably not but we know Notre Dame and Texas A&M can't so we should be given a chance. Our defense is capable of making plays so we might make the game interesting. No possibility of a Cinderella season in the current system.

Bolded... no disrespect but the question is not whether we should be "given" a chance, it is whether we could beat ND or A&M or whomever finished 4th-5th. If not, then we didn't earn a spot. This year, I believe we could be as competitive as the two teams above us. I don't want, nor do I believe the Bearcats would want, anything given to them. If I'm being too word picky, I apologize. I just think there's a major perception difference between the general public hearing "why not" in relation to UC and "they earned it, give them their due".

No I definitely think we could beat ND and A&M. Would love a shot at Ohio State also; they have great talent but in many ways I think we are a playing a better brand of football this year. Heck in my eyes Indiana is very overrated and they gave OSU a scare and Northwestern a very poor offensive team gave them a game.

Yeah, if our CFP opponent was OSU or ND, I would have preferred to make the CFP. But with the options being Alabama or Clemson, I think I'd rather be in the Peach Bowl against a winnable opponent. With the type of talent our staff is recruiting, I'll feel better about our chances against a juggernaut in a few years.