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I may be wrong but I think the College Football committee responded to Mike Aresco complaints regarding the G5 teams and respect for Cincinnati or the AAC by dropping Cincinnati to 9th. The committee response included the UCF claiming to by National Champ.

In other words Shut Up or I will drop drop some more.
Thoughts?

(12-20-2020 01:29 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I may be wrong but I think the College Football committee responded to Mike Aresco complaints regarding the G5 teams and respect for Cincinnati or the AAC by dropping Cincinnati to 9th. The committee response included the UCF claiming to by National Champ.

In other words Shut Up or I will drop drop some more.
Thoughts?

I don't buy it... barring a huge string of weird events, UC wasn't going to be ranked in the Top 4. Anything other than that was irrelevant anyway. And by dropping UC to 8 and then 9, the committee generated far more publicity and support for UC than ranking them at 5 or 6. Remember the committee has already established a precedent for jumping teams out of order when the moved OSU over Baylor and TCU. SO having UC at even 5 and then jumping someone over them would not have been a big deal

Have they only come up with top 6 so far? When do the rest of rankings come out?

(12-20-2020 01:44 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  Have they only come up with top 6 so far? When do the rest of rankings come out?

230 apparently. How can they drag this out for 4 hours.. it's the same teams, what is there to talk about lol. Announce the top 4 and ny6 matchups and be done in 30 min to an hour

(12-20-2020 01:29 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I may be wrong but I think the College Football committee responded to Mike Aresco complaints regarding the G5 teams and respect for Cincinnati or the AAC by dropping Cincinnati to 9th. The committee response included the UCF claiming to by National Champ.

In other words Shut Up or I will drop drop some more.
Thoughts?

We have altered your ranking; pray we don't alter it further.

I flipped on the selection show to see what they were saying and Knobstreit was saying that the G5'ers should just shut up and not complain about their treatment and they would get treated better.

That's Baghdad Bob level crap.

Mack Brown said the G5 should give up and have their own lesser level championship to keep them happy, because they are never getting into any playoff system including the P5.

Programs like Cincinnati can never agree to a G5 championship. It will kill the gains we’ve made in recruiting and the brand we are building.

With a new committee and the backlash from this season, does anyone think we actually have a shot if we run the table next season?

If the backlash is as great as it is this season I think we have a shot, but I still think they would try to keep us out next season looking for any excuse possible why we aren’t deserving. That may be what is needed to actually change the system though as the cries for change could finally be too much if we ran the table with ND and Indiana both on the schedule.

(12-20-2020 07:27 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Mack Brown said the G5 should give up and have their own lesser level championship to keep them happy, because they are never getting into any playoff system including the P5.

UNC should join them since they'll never make the CFP over Clemson as long as Mack Brown is alive.

(12-20-2020 07:34 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 07:27 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Mack Brown said the G5 should give up and have their own lesser level championship to keep them happy, because they are never getting into any playoff system including the P5.

UNC should join them since they'll never make the CFP over Clemson as long as Mack Brown is alive.

I laughed that one off. Sounded like Mack was pissed Cincinnati is getting all this media attention instead of his very average Tar Holes. The only difference between us and a program like UNC is they have the "P" status and all the big cash that comes with it. He knows if we played in the ACC we would be competitive as hell - more than Cuse and Pitt - and threaten His Precious.

(12-20-2020 01:37 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 01:29 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I may be wrong but I think the College Football committee responded to Mike Aresco complaints regarding the G5 teams and respect for Cincinnati or the AAC by dropping Cincinnati to 9th. The committee response included the UCF claiming to by National Champ.

In other words Shut Up or I will drop drop some more.
Thoughts?

I don't buy it... barring a huge string of weird events, UC wasn't going to be ranked in the Top 4. Anything other than that was irrelevant anyway. And by dropping UC to 8 and then 9, the committee generated far more publicity and support for UC than ranking them at 5 or 6. Remember the committee has already established a precedent for jumping teams out of order when the moved OSU over Baylor and TCU. SO having UC at even 5 and then jumping someone over them would not have been a big deal

And I think they put a buffer between the "Top 4" and UC in case COVID eliminates a team or two. That would be justice for the CFP committee. Can you imagein 4 teams eliminated and UC moves up?

(12-20-2020 07:33 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Programs like Cincinnati can never agree to a G5 championship. It will kill the gains we’ve made in recruiting and the brand we are building.

With a new committee and the backlash from this season, does anyone think we actually have a shot if we run the table next season?

If the backlash is as great as it is this season I think we have a shot, but I still think they would try to keep us out next season looking for any excuse possible why we aren’t deserving. That may be what is needed to actually change the system though as the cries for change could finally be too much if we ran the table with ND and Indiana both on the schedule.

Not just run the table but positively crush the competition. No hiccups, no "squeaking by" with a 3 pt W, no slow starts. i don't know who posted it (may have been multiple posters) but we need to be undisputed in terms of being kingpins of the g5, a la Boise State. And even with all that, we need a ton of luck.

i think the other thing that we need is more advocacy on how bad the p5 really is. if they are going to give credit to p5 schools for the schedule that they play, it needs to be screamed from the rooftops what a p5 schedule looks like in earnest, b12 and pac12 are awful, 2/3rds of the b10 and ACC, and 60% of the SEC are awful; and in most years they are playing at least two, and sometimes more, cupcakes. They shouldn't get gold stars for winning those games.

(12-20-2020 08:09 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 07:33 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Programs like Cincinnati can never agree to a G5 championship. It will kill the gains we’ve made in recruiting and the brand we are building.

With a new committee and the backlash from this season, does anyone think we actually have a shot if we run the table next season?

If the backlash is as great as it is this season I think we have a shot, but I still think they would try to keep us out next season looking for any excuse possible why we aren’t deserving. That may be what is needed to actually change the system though as the cries for change could finally be too much if we ran the table with ND and Indiana both on the schedule.

Not just run the table but positively crush the competition. No hiccups, no "squeaking by" with a 3 pt W, no slow starts. i don't know who posted it (may have been multiple posters) but we need to be undisputed in terms of being kingpins of the g5, a la Boise State. And even with all that, we need a ton of luck.

i think the other thing that we need is more advocacy on how bad the p5 really is. if they are going to give credit to p5 schools for the schedule that they play, it needs to be screamed from the rooftops what a p5 schedule looks like in earnest, b12 and pac12 are awful, 2/3rds of the b10 and ACC, and 60% of the SEC are awful; and in most years they are playing at least two, and sometimes more, cupcakes. They shouldn't get gold stars for winning those games.

Absolutely agree. Sadly, we are expected to build out brand for multiple years before we are taken seriously while all P5 programs get the benefit of the doubt from the start.

Unfortunately this is the only thing we can do...keep fighting and continue to gain more supporters like we have this year. Beating Georgia will help and knocking off Indiana and Notre Dame next season, will also help. Still, they will look for excuses why we aren’t able to compete. Even if they are false excuses. That’s the hand we are dealt.

Woah Todd McShay just said fickell is building what Dabo built at clemson 8-9 years ago. Pretty awesome

(12-20-2020 09:36 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  Woah Todd McShay just said fickell is building what Dabo built at clemson 8-9 years ago. Pretty awesome

If Fick remains here the sky truly is the limit IMO.

Go back and look at the recruiting rankings. The avg recruit was like .81 just 5-6 years ago. Now we have multiple classes over .85. It’s not just us either. The entire American conference has improved their class the last few years. We are still the leaders of the conference in recruiting, but the entire conference is going to continue improving and the more P5 wins the conference gets on top of our wins it will continue to legitimize all of us and as the team most likely to dominate the conference or will benefit us.

With the built on advantages we have of being in a metro area with a rich and fertile recruiting ground we will only see better and bette classes. With recruits seeing more and more Bearcats getting drafted and winning AAC championships and going to NY6 bowls the momentum is building to something special.

The key is to keep Fick and Co as long as possible and have suitable replacements for any coordinator or position coach that leaves. Right now if Fick leaves we have his replacement in Freeman, but that’s not always going to be the case and may not be after this season. We just have to make sure we are grooming good coaches and make the right hires and we will be fine.

(12-20-2020 07:34 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  

(12-20-2020 07:27 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Mack Brown said the G5 should give up and have their own lesser level championship to keep them happy, because they are never getting into any playoff system including the P5.

UNC should join them since they'll never make the CFP over Clemson as long as Mack Brown is alive.

Could also be said that UNC will never make the playoff as long as Dabo is still alive.

All I know is the have nots (I'm looking @ you Group of Five and Pac 12,) need to strike why the iron is hot.

They need to put pressure on in the media and not let the playoff issue die down anytime soon. Lets face it-- Virtually 3 of Bama, Clemson, OSU and Oklahoma on average make it every year. Every other team in football should be looking for an 8 team playoff. If UC can get a decent win against Georgia-- I think the complaints will get louder.

That said-- if the committee is terrible @ picking 4 teams, they will be bad @ picking 8 teams.

Also-- I can see an 8 team playoff where the major conferences get a bid and 3 at large bids without offering a bid to the group of 5. Or-- putting in something like the Group of 5 team must be in the top 12 or top 15. So this gives the committee a chance to push down a 1 loss group of 5 team to 13th or 16th so they miss the playoff.

Also, if you are Bama or OSU and you lose 1 game-- you probably still get into the playoffs if their are 8 teams. I really can't see any teams who are against it.

Like I said- they will try to screw the Group of 5 if they go 8 teams.

Never is a long time, but the more i think of it, the more i feel like this will require legal action. While the g5 may have agreed to this agreement, it was agreed upon contingent upon all parties acting in good faith. While this is an egregious example of bad faith on the part of the p5/cfb playoff committee, there are too many anomalies due to COVID for this to be the best case. That said, the fact that the charade has been allowed, more or less, unchallenged by key stakeholders will likely embolden the cartel-like behavior going forward and provide more applicable cases.

My only fear is that calling out the bad faith will only result in the codification of bad faith behavior by the cartel. iirc, this "compromise" was the lesser of the evils. it's reminiscent of the B.East calling out the ACC for recruiting its members behind the scenes, which only resulted in the negotiations being conducted above the surface and in public, but did not stop the negotiations or the members from jumping ship.

(12-20-2020 11:18 PM)eroc Wrote:  Never is a long time, but the more i think of it, the more i feel like this will require legal action. While the g5 may have agreed to this agreement, it was agreed upon contingent upon all parties acting in good faith. While this is an egregious example of bad faith on the part of the p5/cfb playoff committee, there are too many anomalies due to COVID for this to be the best case. That said, the fact that the charade has been allowed, more or less, unchallenged by key stakeholders will likely embolden the cartel-like behavior going forward and provide more applicable cases.

My only fear is that calling out the bad faith will only result in the codification of bad faith behavior by the cartel. iirc, this "compromise" was the lesser of the evils. it's reminiscent of the B.East calling out the ACC for recruiting its members behind the scenes, which only resulted in the negotiations being conducted above the surface and in public, but did not stop the negotiations or the members from jumping ship.

If public sentiment keeps growing something will have to change. We aren’t there yet, but it’s a step in that direction. What I worry about though, is that they agree to expansion without any type of guarantee for a G5 slot. That will once again give the impression there is a path, when we have seen they can and will manipulate the rankings to achieve their desired outcome. Expansion would have to include a path for a G5 team. Whether that’s simply the highest ranked, or if they put a qualifier on it that for the autobid it requires an undefeated G5 team, that would at least give us a clear path. That has to be a breaking point though because without an autobid, we have no legit path IMO.

Next year we play multiple P5 opponents but if either have a bad year, if any of our games are close, or if we lose any games, we are automatically out. Even if we go undefeated and things go out way, I think they will make the justification that other teams are better. I mean, we have an 8-3 Florida team in front of us. Doesn’t matter what else we do, those are the facts and I don’t think they will be much different even with expansion if there is not some sort of guaranteed path for G5 teams.