(11-16-2020 10:19 AM)gleadley Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 05:18 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  THREAD RECAP:

We Don't Have A ******* Clue Who Is Joining, But...

Excellent summary for 38 pages worth of nonsense.

But, but, Matt Brown said.....

If there is any truth to Matt Brown's prognostications, WAC expansion will happen in due course. But it will happen with the programs that logically fit the WAC's scope of influence; not with programs who some here have literally pull out of their respective asses (pardon my French). It's not going to happen with any well established FBS programs nor is it going to be a bunch of obscure DIII schools. The logic of some here is what makes these type of threads an exercise in futility.

(11-16-2020 01:32 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  If there is any truth to Matt Brown's prognostications, WAC expansion will happen in due course. But it will happen with the programs that logically fit the WAC's scope of influence; not with programs who some here have literally pull out of their respective asses (pardon my French). It's not going to happen with any well established FBS programs nor is it going to a bunch of obscure DIII schools. The logic of some here is what makes these type of threads an exercise in futility.

There is only one pea-brained poster who comes up with constant, unrealistic garbage. He uses “could” for every “prediction” and just recently “predicted” UTRGV to the Big West. He will turn up in any expansion/realignment thread and spew his trash.

So this goes down as the most epic thread in WAC forum history, right?

Now this:

https://twitter.com/kendallrogers/status...33026?s=21

UCA leaving SLC for ASUN

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/...73921?s=21

(11-10-2020 11:52 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(11-09-2020 01:58 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Wow. Everything you ever wanted to know (or already know) on the subject:

https://www.college-sports-journal.com/w...ys-shadow/

His "NEW WAC" setup is interesting.

I'd take out Pueblo and plug in Azusa, but it looks pretty good on paper

THE NEW WAC

New Mexico State*
Dixie State
Tarleton State
Southern Utah
San Diego
Cal Poly
Northern Arizona
Abilene Christian
West Texas A&M / Azusa Pacific
Colorado State-Pueblo

The article was fine. He definitely did some research. But he talks about San Diego being a huge outlier in the Pioneer and huge travel costs as being reasons to move to the WAC. The costs to provide FB scholarships in the WAC would far outnumber any travel costs.

He also says NMSU needs to do a study about dropping to FCS. We did and concluded it's a no-go. He also talks about the expenses of being an Indy in the FBS and how hard it is to make an indy schedule. We have solid schedules out to 2025 and make $2-3M in P5 games, so that doesn't compute.

Thank you! Any time somebody mentions USD to a scholarship football conference, I don't read that part.

(11-16-2020 03:18 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  UCA leaving SLC for ASUN

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/...73921?s=21

Is this strictly a baseball alliance (as an affiliate member) where all other sports stay in the SLC. Or, is UCA moving to the ASUN in total? If so, will football stay in the SLC or will they be looking for a new FCS home? The tweet by Goodman is kind of vague.

(11-16-2020 03:56 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 03:18 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  UCA leaving SLC for ASUN

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/...73921?s=21

Is this strictly a baseball alliance (as an affiliate member) where all other sports stay in the SLC. Or, is UCA moving to the ASUN in total? If so, will football stay in the SLC or will they be looking for a new FCS home? The tweet by Goodman is kind of vague.

Are there any baseball alliances? The ASun and Big South have an alliance for FCS football. UCA is definitely leaving the SLC and not joining the WAC.

(11-16-2020 04:02 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 03:56 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 03:18 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  UCA leaving SLC for ASUN

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/...73921?s=21

Is this strictly a baseball alliance (as an affiliate member) where all other sports stay in the SLC. Or, is UCA moving to the ASUN in total? If so, will football stay in the SLC or will they be looking for a new FCS home? The tweet by Goodman is kind of vague.

Are there any baseball alliances? The ASun and Big South have an alliance for FCS football. UCA is definitely leaving the SLC and not joining the WAC.

That sounds right. Unless things have changed, I doubt the SLC would allow affiliate membership in another conference with an SLC sponsored sport.

As I recall, the SLC has (or at least had) a rule where members are required to participate within the conference for sports sponsored by the conference. I've slept since then, but I recall UTSA and maybe Texas State explored staying in the SLC except for football at least on a short term basis when looking at moving to FBS. Northeast Louisiana, now named University of Louisiana-Monroe, was the exception. That school participated as a D-IA, now DI (FBS), independent in football for a few years and as a D-I member of the SLC in non-football sports. I believe the SLC had a setup similar to the MVC and MVFC during those years so ULM would not have technically been breaking the rule. The Southland Football Conference was dissolved around the time ULM completely cut ties with the SLC.

Here's a link to an article discussing UTSA's original plans.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/coll...785166.php

(11-16-2020 04:51 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 04:02 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 03:56 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 03:18 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  UCA leaving SLC for ASUN

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/...73921?s=21

Is this strictly a baseball alliance (as an affiliate member) where all other sports stay in the SLC. Or, is UCA moving to the ASUN in total? If so, will football stay in the SLC or will they be looking for a new FCS home? The tweet by Goodman is kind of vague.

Are there any baseball alliances? The ASun and Big South have an alliance for FCS football. UCA is definitely leaving the SLC and not joining the WAC.

That sounds right. Unless things have changed, I doubt the SLC would allow affiliate membership in another conference with an SLC sponsored sport.

As I recall, the SLC has (or at least had) a rule where members are required to participate within the conference for sports sponsored by the conference. I've slept since then, but I recall UTSA and maybe Texas State explored staying in the SLC except for football at least on a short term basis when looking at moving to FBS. Northeast Louisiana, now named University of Louisiana-Monroe, was the exception. That school participated as a D-IA, now DI (FBS), independent in football for a few years and as a D-I member of the SLC in non-football sports. I believe the SLC had a setup similar to the MVC and MVFC during those years so ULM would not have technically been breaking the rule. The Southland Football Conference was dissolved around the time ULM completely cut ties with the SLC.

That’s way different though. ULM was FBS Independent and kept their Olympics in the SLC. This is not that. I don’t believe any school would move their baseball team to another league when their current conference sponsors it.

(11-16-2020 05:03 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 04:51 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 04:02 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 03:56 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 03:18 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  UCA leaving SLC for ASUN

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/...73921?s=21

Is this strictly a baseball alliance (as an affiliate member) where all other sports stay in the SLC. Or, is UCA moving to the ASUN in total? If so, will football stay in the SLC or will they be looking for a new FCS home? The tweet by Goodman is kind of vague.

Are there any baseball alliances? The ASun and Big South have an alliance for FCS football. UCA is definitely leaving the SLC and not joining the WAC.

That sounds right. Unless things have changed, I doubt the SLC would allow affiliate membership in another conference with an SLC sponsored sport.

As I recall, the SLC has (or at least had) a rule where members are required to participate within the conference for sports sponsored by the conference. I've slept since then, but I recall UTSA and maybe Texas State explored staying in the SLC except for football at least on a short term basis when looking at moving to FBS. Northeast Louisiana, now named University of Louisiana-Monroe, was the exception. That school participated as a D-IA, now DI (FBS), independent in football for a few years and as a D-I member of the SLC in non-football sports. I believe the SLC had a setup similar to the MVC and MVFC during those years so ULM would not have technically been breaking the rule. The Southland Football Conference was dissolved around the time ULM completely cut ties with the SLC.

That’s way different though. ULM was FBS Independent and kept their Olympics in the SLC. This is not that. I don’t believe any school would move their baseball team to another league when their current conference sponsors it.

The SLC formalized their rule in June, 2010. "...[T]he Southland Conference's Board of Directors approved a measure that requires its members to operate all varsity sports within the league.

Passed by an 11-1 vote of member school presidents, the decision will take effect on July 1, 2011..."

Here's the article I later added above.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/coll...785166.php

Also, I had included this in my original post recognizing there might be a difference. Technically, football was not a Southland Conference sponsored sport for a few years. There was a separate Southland Football League which was managed by the Southland Conference during ULM's independent FBS years.

"I believe the SLC had a setup similar to the MVC and MVFC during those years so ULM would not have technically been breaking the rule."

Whatever you want to cite, those were teams moving to FBS and their current conference wasn’t. Names don’t matter. It’s besides the point. Which is, no school would move their baseball team to a different conference without the other Olympic sports coming along.

(11-16-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 10:19 AM)gleadley Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 05:18 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  THREAD RECAP:

We Don't Have A ******* Clue Who Is Joining, But...

Excellent summary for 38 pages worth of nonsense.

But, but, Matt Brown said.....

(11-16-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 10:19 AM)gleadley Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 05:18 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  THREAD RECAP:

We Don't Have A ******* Clue Who Is Joining, But...

Excellent summary for 38 pages worth of nonsense.

But, but, Matt Brown said.....

*39 pages

(11-16-2020 05:34 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 10:19 AM)gleadley Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 05:18 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  THREAD RECAP:

We Don't Have A ******* Clue Who Is Joining, But...

Excellent summary for 38 pages worth of nonsense.

But, but, Matt Brown said.....

*39 pages

(11-16-2020 05:34 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 10:19 AM)gleadley Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 05:18 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  THREAD RECAP:

We Don't Have A ******* Clue Who Is Joining, But...

Excellent summary for 38 pages worth of nonsense.

But, but, Matt Brown said.....

*39 pages

Matt Brown’s looking mighty good right now. Why would UCA leave a LA/TX league for a southeastern league if Southland schools weren’t on the verge of moving to the WAC?

(11-16-2020 06:22 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 05:34 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 10:19 AM)gleadley Wrote:  

(11-15-2020 05:18 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  THREAD RECAP:

We Don't Have A ******* Clue Who Is Joining, But...

Excellent summary for 38 pages worth of nonsense.

But, but, Matt Brown said.....

*39 pages

Matt Brown’s looking mighty good right now. Why would UCA leave a LA/TX league for a southeastern league if Southland schools weren’t on the verge of moving to the WAC?

Not 100% credit. He did say that UCA to the WAC was possible

(11-16-2020 05:29 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Whatever you want to cite, those were teams moving to FBS and their current conference wasn’t. Names don’t matter. It’s besides the point. Which is, no school would move their baseball team to a different conference without the other Olympic sports coming along.

While I agree with the bolded segment above, UCA's situation involves membership in a conference which has a rule prohibiting an affiliate membership in another conference in a sport where their current conference, the Southland Conference, sponsors that sport. The conference rule takes precedence over a "would/could" type situation. It's not a matter of "would not". In the case of the SLC, it's "can't".

Take a look at the article link about the Southland Conference rule passed in 2010. Here are the key points as I see them.
1. UCA is a current member of the Southland Conference.
2. The conference has a rule precluding affiliate membership in another conference if the Southland Conference sponsors that sport.
3. UCA could not be an affiliate member of another conference in a sport sponsored by the SLC.
4. To move baseball means moving everything (which I was agreeing to originally).

Back to the WAC, it looks like UCA might be moving off the list of possible future members. As I recall, there were some posts listing them as a possibility.

(11-16-2020 06:23 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 06:22 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 05:34 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-16-2020 10:19 AM)gleadley Wrote:  Excellent summary for 38 pages worth of nonsense.

But, but, Matt Brown said.....

*39 pages

Matt Brown’s looking mighty good right now. Why would UCA leave a LA/TX league for a southeastern league if Southland schools weren’t on the verge of moving to the WAC?

Not 100% credit. He did say that UCA to the WAC was possible

And, as a football-only member, it is still possible. the A-Sun doesn't have FCS football. So, maybe UCA is considering moving its football program to the WAC; while putting all its other sports in the A-Sun. Augustana could be looking at doing something similar with the Summit as well. Now, if the WAC adds, Sam Houston State, Stephen F. Austin, Abilene Christian, Lamar and Southern Utah as full members while adding Central Arkansas and Augustana as affiliate football members, the WAC would have a 9 member FCS conference. And, a 14 member basketball conference... just following Matt Brown's possible bread crumbs.