(11-05-2020 04:51 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  So, we can expect an announcement that Southern Utah will join the WAC. I think everybody agrees that is a done deal.

Except, perhaps, the president of Southern Utah. Has he said or signed anything to indicate it's a done deal?

Hardly a done deal. Do you think SUU wants to announce they’re leaving the Big Sky to play football with Dixie And Tarleton State?

From the information I have seen and heard I don't see a done deal just yet. Lots of speculation, which we have all seen on multiple fronts in the past.

(11-05-2020 08:26 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Hardly a done deal. Do you think SUU wants to announce they’re leaving the Big Sky to play football with Dixie And Tarleton State?

(11-05-2020 04:51 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  So, we can expect an announcement that Southern Utah will join the WAC. I think everybody agrees that is a done deal.

Now, will the four, or any combination of the four, SLC schools also come in? Could the hold up be the exit fees for the SLC? Not sure what the SLC exit fees are, but usually the more notice you give, the less the exit fees are! So, if the SLC schools want to join for the 21-22 season, it may cost more than if they waited until 22-23.

Which, reminds me, has Matt Brown, or anybody else mentioned when any of the possible schools would join the WAC! 21-22? 22-23?

If there is a serious attempt to build a WAC football conference, no single FCS school is going to move to the WAC by themselves. It is all or nothing. Southern Utah is waiting for the Southland schools to get their ducks in a row so all schools move to the WAC at once. If the southland school do not move to the WAC, then Southern Utah will not move to the WAC either. So, Southern Utah is not a done deal.

I'm rapidly losing any interest in an FCS WAC. Football aside, Dixie and Tarleton joined the WAC for lack of better options. I no longer consider consider the fact that the last D2 move ups both have football as any indication that FCS football is anywhere in the short-term future. And I'm now kind of hoping it doesn't happen. A basketball focused WAC probably does the most good for the conference anyway. Aggie football has long been on their own path anyway.

(11-06-2020 01:26 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-05-2020 04:51 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  So, we can expect an announcement that Southern Utah will join the WAC. I think everybody agrees that is a done deal.

Now, will the four, or any combination of the four, SLC schools also come in? Could the hold up be the exit fees for the SLC? Not sure what the SLC exit fees are, but usually the more notice you give, the less the exit fees are! So, if the SLC schools want to join for the 21-22 season, it may cost more than if they waited until 22-23.

Which, reminds me, has Matt Brown, or anybody else mentioned when any of the possible schools would join the WAC! 21-22? 22-23?

If there is a serious attempt to build a WAC football conference, no single FCS school is going to move to the WAC by themselves. It is all or nothing. Southern Utah is waiting for the Southland schools to get their ducks in a row so all schools move to the WAC at once. If the southland school do not move to the WAC, then Southern Utah will not move to the WAC either. So, Southern Utah is not a done deal.

Correct. Only a certain Tarleton fan would announce leaving a FCS conference for Independence with 2 first year FCS teams. Bad optics.

(11-06-2020 05:12 AM)Todor Wrote:  I'm rapidly losing any interest in an FCS WAC. Football aside, Dixie and Tarleton joined the WAC for lack of better options. I no longer consider consider the fact that the last D2 move ups both have football as any indication that FCS football is anywhere in the short-term future. And I'm now kind of hoping it doesn't happen. A basketball focused WAC probably does the most good for the conference anyway. Aggie football has long been on their own path anyway.

Ohhhhh that's a BINGO! Is that how you say it?

(11-06-2020 03:13 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 01:26 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-05-2020 04:51 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  So, we can expect an announcement that Southern Utah will join the WAC. I think everybody agrees that is a done deal.

Now, will the four, or any combination of the four, SLC schools also come in? Could the hold up be the exit fees for the SLC? Not sure what the SLC exit fees are, but usually the more notice you give, the less the exit fees are! So, if the SLC schools want to join for the 21-22 season, it may cost more than if they waited until 22-23.

Which, reminds me, has Matt Brown, or anybody else mentioned when any of the possible schools would join the WAC! 21-22? 22-23?

If there is a serious attempt to build a WAC football conference, no single FCS school is going to move to the WAC by themselves. It is all or nothing. Southern Utah is waiting for the Southland schools to get their ducks in a row so all schools move to the WAC at once. If the southland school do not move to the WAC, then Southern Utah will not move to the WAC either. So, Southern Utah is not a done deal.

Correct. Only a certain Tarleton fan would announce leaving a FCS conference for Independence with 2 first year FCS teams. Bad optics.

Lol..Guess what? If SUU and these SLC schools do end up joining the WAC, the only "bad optic" will be the two major geographical outliers that don't/can't sponsor football and no longer have value. AKA soon to be homeless. Bet you'll still troll this board, though.

(11-06-2020 07:57 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 03:13 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 01:26 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-05-2020 04:51 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  So, we can expect an announcement that Southern Utah will join the WAC. I think everybody agrees that is a done deal.

Now, will the four, or any combination of the four, SLC schools also come in? Could the hold up be the exit fees for the SLC? Not sure what the SLC exit fees are, but usually the more notice you give, the less the exit fees are! So, if the SLC schools want to join for the 21-22 season, it may cost more than if they waited until 22-23.

Which, reminds me, has Matt Brown, or anybody else mentioned when any of the possible schools would join the WAC! 21-22? 22-23?

If there is a serious attempt to build a WAC football conference, no single FCS school is going to move to the WAC by themselves. It is all or nothing. Southern Utah is waiting for the Southland schools to get their ducks in a row so all schools move to the WAC at once. If the southland school do not move to the WAC, then Southern Utah will not move to the WAC either. So, Southern Utah is not a done deal.

Correct. Only a certain Tarleton fan would announce leaving a FCS conference for Independence with 2 first year FCS teams. Bad optics.

Lol..Guess what? If SUU and these SLC schools do end up joining the WAC, the only "bad optic" will be the two major geographical outliers that don't/can't sponsor football and no longer have value. AKA soon to be homeless. Bet you'll still troll this board, though.

Look man, I don’t have any issue with TSU or any proposed Texas schools joining. Simply stating, that it is stupid to announce leaving a conference to join Independence. That’s why SUU has to wait for everyone else.

Yeah Seattle would be an outlier. I guess since you’re SOOOO close to Utah Valley and Cal Baptist, you will be making regular trips out there to basketball games.

Since you’re slow, I am not dumping on any schools or the proposed expansion, it just doesn’t make sense to me, at the moment. Get it? I will be ignoring your posts going forward.

(11-06-2020 07:57 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 03:13 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 01:26 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-05-2020 04:51 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  So, we can expect an announcement that Southern Utah will join the WAC. I think everybody agrees that is a done deal.

Now, will the four, or any combination of the four, SLC schools also come in? Could the hold up be the exit fees for the SLC? Not sure what the SLC exit fees are, but usually the more notice you give, the less the exit fees are! So, if the SLC schools want to join for the 21-22 season, it may cost more than if they waited until 22-23.

Which, reminds me, has Matt Brown, or anybody else mentioned when any of the possible schools would join the WAC! 21-22? 22-23?

If there is a serious attempt to build a WAC football conference, no single FCS school is going to move to the WAC by themselves. It is all or nothing. Southern Utah is waiting for the Southland schools to get their ducks in a row so all schools move to the WAC at once. If the southland school do not move to the WAC, then Southern Utah will not move to the WAC either. So, Southern Utah is not a done deal.

Correct. Only a certain Tarleton fan would announce leaving a FCS conference for Independence with 2 first year FCS teams. Bad optics.

Lol..Guess what? If SUU and these SLC schools do end up joining the WAC, the only "bad optic" will be the two major geographical outliers that don't/can't sponsor football and no longer have value. AKA soon to be homeless. Bet you'll still troll this board, though.

By keeping both you have more cushion for defections and Seattle would help conference rating.

Unlike Chicago State, I don't see Seattle going anywhere even if SUU and some SLC schools join. It's a financially and academically sound university, has a solid athletic program, is in a great market and is an easy travel destination. A conference can do fine with a single outlier when the relationship is mutually beneficial, as has been the case with the BWC and Hawaii.

Chicago State is staying put unless they drop out of D1, which they won't do.

Why they won't be dropping out of D1-
1. They don't want to-if they did they would have long ago
2. They don't need to-Illinois budgets and CSU enrollment have rebounded some

They have a larger enrollment and athletics budget than numerous existing D1 schools.
They found a conference that needs them. Why would they leave? They won't be forced out.

(11-06-2020 07:57 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 03:13 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(11-06-2020 01:26 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-05-2020 04:51 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  So, we can expect an announcement that Southern Utah will join the WAC. I think everybody agrees that is a done deal.

Now, will the four, or any combination of the four, SLC schools also come in? Could the hold up be the exit fees for the SLC? Not sure what the SLC exit fees are, but usually the more notice you give, the less the exit fees are! So, if the SLC schools want to join for the 21-22 season, it may cost more than if they waited until 22-23.

Which, reminds me, has Matt Brown, or anybody else mentioned when any of the possible schools would join the WAC! 21-22? 22-23?

If there is a serious attempt to build a WAC football conference, no single FCS school is going to move to the WAC by themselves. It is all or nothing. Southern Utah is waiting for the Southland schools to get their ducks in a row so all schools move to the WAC at once. If the southland school do not move to the WAC, then Southern Utah will not move to the WAC either. So, Southern Utah is not a done deal.

Correct. Only a certain Tarleton fan would announce leaving a FCS conference for Independence with 2 first year FCS teams. Bad optics.

Lol..Guess what? If SUU and these SLC schools do end up joining the WAC, the only "bad optic" will be the two major geographical outliers that don't/can't sponsor football and no longer have value. AKA soon to be homeless. Bet you'll still troll this board, though.

I hate to break it to you, but until the move ups actually become full D1 members, it is they that have little value. As of right now, which is all that counts, the "outliers" are the only reason there was a conference for aspiring members to join.

(11-07-2020 02:10 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Unlike Chicago State, I don't see Seattle going anywhere even if SUU and some SLC schools join. It's a financially and academically sound university, has a solid athletic program, is in a great market and is an easy travel destination. A conference can do fine with a single outlier when the relationship is mutually beneficial, as has been the case with the BWC and Hawaii.

Although said outlier can also become an unexpected headache. But I hardly call Seattle that.

(11-07-2020 09:04 AM)Todor Wrote:  Chicago State is staying put unless they drop out of D1, which they won't do.

Why they won't be dropping out of D1-
1. They don't want to-if they did they would have long ago
2. They don't need to-Illinois budgets and CSU enrollment have rebounded some

They have a larger enrollment and athletics budget than numerous existing D1 schools.
They found a conference that needs them. Why would they leave? They won't be forced out.

Good post. They are not going anywhere. Who in their right mind thinks the WAC is in position to actually drop teams?! Ridiculous.

Mongoose is the same guy that says SJSU needs to be booted out of the MWC. SJSU is also not going anywhere.

(11-07-2020 07:18 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:04 AM)Todor Wrote:  Chicago State is staying put unless they drop out of D1, which they won't do.

Why they won't be dropping out of D1-
1. They don't want to-if they did they would have long ago
2. They don't need to-Illinois budgets and CSU enrollment have rebounded some

They have a larger enrollment and athletics budget than numerous existing D1 schools.
They found a conference that needs them. Why would they leave? They won't be forced out.

Good post. They are not going anywhere. Who in their right mind thinks the WAC is in position to actually drop teams?! Ridiculous.

Mongoose is the same guy that says SJSU needs to be booted out of the MWC. SJSU is also not going anywhere.

Don’t know where you got that idea. I’m fine with SJSU being a member of the MWC, and in fact advocated adding SJSU and Utah State to the MWC back in 2012.

(11-07-2020 09:04 AM)Todor Wrote:  Chicago State is staying put unless they drop out of D1, which they won't do.

Why they won't be dropping out of D1-
1. They don't want to-if they did they would have long ago
2. They don't need to-Illinois budgets and CSU enrollment have rebounded some

They have a larger enrollment and athletics budget than numerous existing D1 schools.
They found a conference that needs them. Why would they leave? They won't be forced out.

Also you:

"I hate to break it to you, but until the move ups actually become full D1 members, it is they that have little value. As of right now, which is all that counts, the "outliers" are the only reason there was a conference for aspiring members to join."

Lol, I just caught this one...
Delusional much? <3k enrollment, and a <$6mil athletic budget? C'mon, man! Facts: WAC has been reinvigorated with the addition of Dixie and Tarleton. All this SUU and SLC talk wouldn't even be happening if we weren't already on board. These schools from existing FCS conferences want to join us financially stable football-playing schools, not Chi St. or Seattle. You chumps really need to knock it off with all the "moveup" hate, and go ahead and roll out that red carpet. You're welcome.

(11-08-2020 12:34 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:04 AM)Todor Wrote:  Chicago State is staying put unless they drop out of D1, which they won't do.

Why they won't be dropping out of D1-
1. They don't want to-if they did they would have long ago
2. They don't need to-Illinois budgets and CSU enrollment have rebounded some

They have a larger enrollment and athletics budget than numerous existing D1 schools.
They found a conference that needs them. Why would they leave? They won't be forced out.

Also you:

"I hate to break it to you, but until the move ups actually become full D1 members, it is they that have little value. As of right now, which is all that counts, the "outliers" are the only reason there was a conference for aspiring members to join."

Lol, I just caught this one...
Delusional much? <3k enrollment, and a <$6mil athletic budget? C'mon, man! Facts: WAC has been reinvigorated with the addition of Dixie and Tarleton. All this SUU and SLC talk wouldn't even be happening if we weren't already on board. These schools from existing FCS conferences want to join us financially stable football-playing schools, not Chi St. or Seattle. You chumps really need to knock it off with all the "moveup" hate, and go ahead and roll out that red carpet. You're welcome.

Ok, fact: Chicago State is not the smallest D1 school and does not have the smallest athletic budget. Do you dispute those facts?

I'll get that red carpet ready for, what, 2024 when you become full D1 members.

(11-08-2020 12:57 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 12:34 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:04 AM)Todor Wrote:  Chicago State is staying put unless they drop out of D1, which they won't do.

Why they won't be dropping out of D1-
1. They don't want to-if they did they would have long ago
2. They don't need to-Illinois budgets and CSU enrollment have rebounded some

They have a larger enrollment and athletics budget than numerous existing D1 schools.
They found a conference that needs them. Why would they leave? They won't be forced out.

Also you:

"I hate to break it to you, but until the move ups actually become full D1 members, it is they that have little value. As of right now, which is all that counts, the "outliers" are the only reason there was a conference for aspiring members to join."

Lol, I just caught this one...
Delusional much? <3k enrollment, and a <$6mil athletic budget? C'mon, man! Facts: WAC has been reinvigorated with the addition of Dixie and Tarleton. All this SUU and SLC talk wouldn't even be happening if we weren't already on board. These schools from existing FCS conferences want to join us financially stable football-playing schools, not Chi St. or Seattle. You chumps really need to knock it off with all the "moveup" hate, and go ahead and roll out that red carpet. You're welcome.

Ok, fact: Chicago State is not the smallest D1 school and does not have the smallest athletic budget. Do you dispute those facts?

I'll get that red carpet ready for, what, 2024 when you become full D1 members.

Five. Exactly five other D1 programs in the entire U.S. are worse off than Chi St. budget wise. I wouldn't call that "numerous", by any stretch.
No, we'd actually prefer that well-deserved red carpet now, thanks!