(09-16-2020 08:50 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Capt Ed:

Geography and a football only mentality are the issues with the Sunbelt. App is good at one sport and it is intentional. Their fanbase are rabid football supporters. Nothing wrong with this but it doesn’t align with JMU’s athletics philosophy of being strong in all sports.

JMU made the tough decision to cut sports for two reasons ...Title IX but also to fully fund each varsity sport. Previously, some varsity sports were only partially funded. JMU knew without TV money, their financial resources were limited. Since these cuts, JMU has enjoyed success throughout its programs. Softball, women’s lacrosse and men’s soccer have been successful to the point of advancing deep into the NCAA tournament. Women’s basketball deep into the NIT. Other programs have won multiple CAA titles.

App would be a good rival for us and you too. I would like to see us in a conference with you guys. If that were the only consideration, it would have happened when the SB commissioner invited JMU.

Im jump in here, while yes Geography is a major issue for JMU and the Sun Belt, the idea that JMU focus on all sports and the Sun Belt only focus on football is not true. the league has top 25 teams in both baseball and softball with great stadiums and high attendance. women soccer and volleyball also rank high in the nation. We are a work in progress for Basketball, but the point is we are working at it and all sports.

(09-15-2020 04:12 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 04:00 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Your natural rival is the University of Richmond.

Intellectually yes, but from a public school of similar size ODU is our natural rival.

I was thinking of your shared love of sweater vests.

(09-16-2020 02:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 04:12 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 04:00 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Your natural rival is the University of Richmond.

Intellectually yes, but from a public school of similar size ODU is our natural rival.

I was thinking of your shared love of sweater vests.

he he - I was giving you too much credit of thinking intellectually.

(09-16-2020 02:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 04:12 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-15-2020 04:00 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Your natural rival is the University of Richmond.

Intellectually yes, but from a public school of similar size ODU is our natural rival.

I was thinking of your shared love of sweater vests.

Thoughts on discussions about a G5 unicorn conference, when would discussions heat up and would JMU aggressively participate or wait for somebody to call JMU?

If a covid season does not flip the coin, what would?

(09-20-2020 09:34 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Thoughts on discussions about a G5 unicorn conference, when would discussions heat up and would JMU aggressively participate or wait for somebody to call JMU?

If a covid season does not flip the coin, what would?

A different administration.

I'm not making judgement good or bad. Simply saying they simply don't seem motivated to move from FBS.

Look at it:

App State was vocal about wanting to move for years.
ODU moved with the same option we rejected.
Ga St and UNCC only played FCS briefly as a stepping stone to FBS.
CCU moved right up.
Liberty, while a different animal, did not hide their intention.

There have been many schools that have moved up (with FAR less credentials than JMU) in the last decade. (History, results, facilities, fan support) There is no one in FBS how that has a better resume for FBS than JMU. The only thing some of them can be said have over JMU is location, but an hour outside of Northern VA is hardly a bad market.

Many think the Sunbelt is much improved after last weekend, I'm not there right now. Would I take a conference with ASU, CCU, Ga State, and ability to schedule 1 fer1 annual games with ODU, and some occasional P5 home games. I'd probably lean that way in order to take the next step.

I'd love to be in this new mid-atlantic conference that has been proposed over a hundred times on here, but it has not happened. It does not seem any closer today than 15 years ago. The only difference - we've had many programs that did not even have football 20 years ago blow by us on the way to FBS. And while some on here will point out what a mistake it was, I don't hear that from their fans or see any of the schools step back to FCS.


I think it's time we move. But the admin and many on here do not unless we get the mid-atlantic dream conference that very possibly, if not likely, will not happen in many of our lifetimes.

You are right Dukster, this administration will not change conferences period. All the can kicking has been strategically worded lies.

For a decade many of us have been adking for athletic goals beyond trite JMU crap.

I am sure my monetary contributions will be mocked by the apologists, whatever those contributions are-were they may be going elsewhere...fcs football does not get a contribution. JMU is not the only school from which many of us have graduated

(09-20-2020 12:07 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(09-20-2020 09:34 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Thoughts on discussions about a G5 unicorn conference, when would discussions heat up and would JMU aggressively participate or wait for somebody to call JMU?

If a covid season does not flip the coin, what would?

A different administration.

I'm not making judgement good or bad. Simply saying they simply don't seem motivated to move from FBS.

Look at it:

App State was vocal about wanting to move for years.
ODU moved with the same option we rejected.
Ga St and UNCC only played FCS briefly as a stepping stone to FBS.
CCU moved right up.
Liberty, while a different animal, did not hide their intention.

There have been many schools that have moved up (with FAR less credentials than JMU) in the last decade. (History, results, facilities, fan support) There is no one in FBS how that has a better resume for FBS than JMU. The only thing some of them can be said have over JMU is location, but an hour outside of Northern VA is hardly a bad market.

Many think the Sunbelt is much improved after last weekend, I'm not there right now. Would I take a conference with ASU, CCU, Ga State, and ability to schedule 1 fer1 annual games with ODU, and some occasional P5 home games. I'd probably lean that way in order to take the next step.

I'd love to be in this new mid-atlantic conference that has been proposed over a hundred times on here, but it has not happened. It does not seem any closer today than 15 years ago. The only difference - we've had many programs that did not even have football 20 years ago blow by us on the way to FBS. And while some on here will point out what a mistake it was, I don't hear that from their fans or see any of the schools step back to FCS.


I think it's time we move. But the admin and many on here do not unless we get the mid-atlantic dream conference that very possibly, if not likely, will not happen in many of our lifetimes.

You are absolutely correct, I believe, except I think our admin will jump on an FBS opportunity within the next year or two. I blame Lin Rose, specifically, for the position we find ourselves in today. He was the most incompetent president in JMU history, in my opinion.

Some will say, "look at the growth of JMU under Rose." That growth was forced on him. I recall him saying when he first assumed office that under his administration, JMU was going to stop the growth and concentrate on "quality over quantity," and I thought to myself, 'Yeah, right. Parents across the state are screaming at their legislators because their kids were denied admission to JMU and you are going to stick your middle finger in their faces, while believing you can tell the governor and legislature what you are going to do with their school?' The growth of JMU happened despite Lin Rose, not because of him.

Now we are an FBS-caliber school (that would kick Marshall's ass if they would only agree to play us) trapped in FCS. Thanks, Lin!

Maybe I am a hopeless optimist, but I believe Alger is actively and energetically seeking an FBS home for us.

Go, Dukes!

(09-21-2020 08:06 PM)Purple Wrote:  Now we are an FBS-caliber school (that would kick Marshall’s ass...)

You think so, huh? Okay. You are more than entitled to your opinion. I disagree.

Thank you for sharing that opinion here.

(09-21-2020 08:06 PM)Purple Wrote:  Now we are an FBS-caliber school (that would kick Marshall's ass if they would only agree to play us) trapped in FCS. Thanks, Lin!

Maybe I am a hopeless optimist, but I believe Alger is actively and energetically seeking an FBS home for us.

Go, Dukes!

Just like Sat Sept 19th Marshall's Brenden Knox run wild over #23 Appalachian State, he would run it right down JMUs throat behind the 2nd most experienced OL in college football. Marshall just knocked off #23 and became ranked for the 18th time in IA and have been ranked 16 of the 24 years we have been in IA.

Both Marshall and Appy would take out JMU.

But as you think we are sooooooooo scared to play you. Here is a clue: You are in the wrong subdivision. Just like Appy was from 1997-2013. Marshall only played Appy 1 time during that time. In 2001 Appy came in ranked #2 in IAA and went home with a 50-17 loss.

Alger aggressively trying to find you an FBS conference is laughable plus who would want to take you now. They have turned down any conference that would actually accept them.

Nice. Thanks for sharing that here.

JMU won't move up because they can't compete. JMU didn't start winning at the FCS level until the top programs like Marshall already left for FBS. They couldn't compete in the old FCS so they are enjoying their time in the little FCS.

You guys are a good program for the current FCS. I'm happy you are winning and actually root for you, but there's no comparison when it comes to JMU and Marshall/App St.

Thank you for sharing that here.

(09-22-2020 10:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  JMU won't move up because they can't compete. JMU didn't start winning at the FCS level until the top programs like Marshall already left for FBS. They couldn't compete in the old FCS so they are enjoying their time in the little FCS.

You guys are a good program for the current FCS. I'm happy you are winning and actually root for you, but there's no comparison when it comes to JMU and Marshall/App St.

Let’s not act like Marshall was light years ahead of JMU when they were FCS. The last game between the two was a 28-21 OT win by Marshall at home in the FCS playoffs in 1994. Marshall was like NDSU back then as they never had to play an away playoff game including the championship game.

Jon Alger "aggressively seeking a FBS home for JMU" is less likely than Nancy Pelosi voting for Donald Trump in Nov on live television.

The best I can see from Alger is not publishing an anti college sports manifesto if a geo 5 conference were to invite JMU to join on ESPN so another conference invitation cannot be denied after the next member train leaves the station.

JMU's "cautious approach" = the most expensive fcs stadium in America and the largest gap in across the board conference facilities (JMU vs the CAA) in the history of organized athletic conferences which I struggle to see as anything close to "cautious."

We will spend the rest of our lives claiming we can defeat the regional G5s that we can't play home or away (home by definition, away because we have to fund the non revenue programs with P5 body bag money that is always less the App State used to get when fcs).

(09-22-2020 10:55 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 10:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  JMU won't move up because they can't compete. JMU didn't start winning at the FCS level until the top programs like Marshall already left for FBS. They couldn't compete in the old FCS so they are enjoying their time in the little FCS.

You guys are a good program for the current FCS. I'm happy you are winning and actually root for you, but there's no comparison when it comes to JMU and Marshall/App St.

Let’s not act like Marshall was light years ahead of JMU when they were FCS. The last game between the two was a 28-21 OT win by Marshall at home in the FCS playoffs in 1994. Marshall was like NDSU back then as they never had to play an away playoff game including the championship game.

We haven't been FCS for almost 25 years and still have more FCS National Championships than JMU. It's hard telling how many we would have if we were still FCS.

(09-22-2020 09:11 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-21-2020 08:06 PM)Purple Wrote:  Now we are an FBS-caliber school (that would kick Marshall's ass if they would only agree to play us) trapped in FCS. Thanks, Lin!

Maybe I am a hopeless optimist, but I believe Alger is actively and energetically seeking an FBS home for us.

Go, Dukes!

Just like Sat Sept 19th Marshall's Brenden Knox run wild over #23 Appalachian State, he would run it right down JMUs throat behind the 2nd most experienced OL in college football. Marshall just knocked off #23 and became ranked for the 18th time in IA and have been ranked 16 of the 24 years we have been in IA.

Both Marshall and Appy would take out JMU.

But as you think we are sooooooooo scared to play you. Here is a clue: You are in the wrong subdivision. Just like Appy was from 1997-2013. Marshall only played Appy 1 time during that time. In 2001 Appy came in ranked #2 in IAA and went home with a 50-17 loss.

Alger aggressively trying to find you an FBS conference is laughable plus who would want to take you now. They have turned down any conference that would actually accept them.

You are comparing Marshall to ASU?

I will unbiasedly say ASU has been better than JMU the last 5 years, but JMU has been has been better than Marshall, and JMU has been closer to ASU than Marshall. I'm sure the Sags would back that up.

(09-23-2020 01:51 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 10:55 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(09-22-2020 10:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  JMU won't move up because they can't compete. JMU didn't start winning at the FCS level until the top programs like Marshall already left for FBS. They couldn't compete in the old FCS so they are enjoying their time in the little FCS.

You guys are a good program for the current FCS. I'm happy you are winning and actually root for you, but there's no comparison when it comes to JMU and Marshall/App St.

Let’s not act like Marshall was light years ahead of JMU when they were FCS. The last game between the two was a 28-21 OT win by Marshall at home in the FCS playoffs in 1994. Marshall was like NDSU back then as they never had to play an away playoff game including the championship game.

We haven't been FCS for almost 25 years and still have more FCS National Championships than JMU. It's hard telling how many we would have if we were still FCS.

You’re ignorance is beautiful. As a fellow West Virginian allow me to enlighten you. Marshall has 2 FCS National Championships...One against Montana and one against Youngstown. Coincidentally, JMU has 2 National Championships... One against Montana and one against Youngstown. Perhaps you can keep that straight next time. Marshall is playing football right now because otherwise the Athletic Department would be bankrupt.

Western KY, LA Tech, FIU, FAU, Charlotte... Solid chest thumping competition. Go ahead and give me the transitive property on how you’d beat WVU this season and Marshall deserves top 25 votes blah blah blah...
Have you donated that $25MM to get that baseball diamond built yet? I haven’t seen a lot of dirt moving around on 5th Avenue.