Why would Texas or Oklahoma want to leave? If the BIG dissolves maybe they poach both Iowa and NE?

Big 12 North would be NE, KU, KSU, IA, ISU, WV

South would go back to UT,Tech, TCU, BU, ou, OSU

This conference would be perfect for a Arkansas/WV trade with the SEC.. It won't happen but it would benefit both schools. You could put TCU in the North and put Arkansas in the South.

Tech and Ark could play at Jerry World since DFW has tons of Tech/Ark alumni and fans.

(08-25-2020 09:03 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Why would Texas or Oklahoma want to leave? If the BIG dissolves maybe they poach both Iowa and NE?

OK let's go really fantasy here. The SEC can take anyone they want from any conference (Notre Dame included). Who's on their wish list? Assume no baggage required (Texas won't require Texas Tech, Oklahoma won't require Oklahoma State, etc). How many teams would they take? How about Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame? If the SEC could get all six of them, would they still want to get Clemson and Florida State if they could get them too?

(08-25-2020 10:04 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:03 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Why would Texas or Oklahoma want to leave? If the BIG dissolves maybe they poach both Iowa and NE?

OK let's go really fantasy here. The SEC can take anyone they want from any conference (Notre Dame included). Who's on their wish list? Assume no baggage required (Texas won't require Texas Tech, Oklahoma won't require Oklahoma State, etc). How many teams would they take? How about Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame? If the SEC could get all six of them, would they still want to get Clemson and Florida State if they could get them too?

at that point, I would root that the P5 breaks free and they all sign under the same umbrella and divisions are made geographically..

Better than the SEC absorbing every other blueblood outside it's conference.

An expansion of the "SEC" beyond 18 means the SEC is no longer a conference but a league. It might have the name SEC, but it will be the defacto old Southern Conference that had 23 members and it does not matter the exact makeup of the extra 8 or so because that "league" will be the main college football league and the issues that faced the 23 team Southern Conference in 1932 will all resurface, namely how do you structure something to keep so many happy. Keep in mind that this new league will still need at least 4-6 "chumps" in football - schools whose fan base will support them when they are perpetually 5-7.

(08-24-2020 12:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 12:13 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  From the few Husker fans I actually talk with.. they want to return to the Big 12 just for the proximity of games factor. But to me, it's hard to turn down 50 plus mil guaranteed. Now maybe if they decide taking 43 mil or so for it's tier 1 and 2.. leaving it's tier 3 package for them to decide what to do with.. maybe they can work something out with the Big 12?

Just realized with the Big 12 being CST-centric.. They really are the glue for EST and PST game starts. Maybe the money will be much closer?

Happy donors can easily make up 7 million a year. There's that too. But to put this into perspective let's say the Big 12 can draw U.S.C., a private, and pick up Colorado with possibly a Utah or Arizona school or both. Then making in the 50 million range is not impossible. It's a question of the mix.

What will eventually face Ohio State and Penn State is the prospect of making more than Big 10 money, a good bit more, and gaining access to Southern recruiting by looking at a move. People think that impossible, but if some form of pay for play is adopted I think the splits that result everywhere will blow the minds of many. And even if it doesn't come to that the demographics indicate that a change in the thinking of Northern Midwest schools is inevitable. If Texas and Oklahoma won't move North, and if Notre Dame keeps saying no and gets healthier for seeing the demographic shifts earlier and making their move more into the East Coast and Deep South then the key Big 10 schools will be out of options. How many Rutgers and Marylands can you add? They aren't profitable now that the model has shifted to more of a content driven one.

Ohio State and Penn State can stay in the Big 10 and get their 55 million, but the SEC is going to blow through that to 67 to 72 million by 2024, if not sooner. At some point Ohio State and Penn State are going to be very tempted to preserve their sports heritage, make more money, and free themselves of those who are living off of the money they make.

(08-25-2020 10:04 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:03 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Why would Texas or Oklahoma want to leave? If the BIG dissolves maybe they poach both Iowa and NE?

OK let's go really fantasy here. The SEC can take anyone they want from any conference (Notre Dame included). Who's on their wish list? Assume no baggage required (Texas won't require Texas Tech, Oklahoma won't require Oklahoma State, etc). How many teams would they take? How about Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame? If the SEC could get all six of them, would they still want to get Clemson and Florida State if they could get them too?

My guess is that the SEC and Notre Dame are a mutual no.

(08-25-2020 07:00 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 12:27 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 12:13 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  From the few Husker fans I actually talk with.. they want to return to the Big 12 just for the proximity of games factor. But to me, it's hard to turn down 50 plus mil guaranteed. Now maybe if they decide taking 43 mil or so for it's tier 1 and 2.. leaving it's tier 3 package for them to decide what to do with.. maybe they can work something out with the Big 12?

Just realized with the Big 12 being CST-centric.. They really are the glue for EST and PST game starts. Maybe the money will be much closer?

Happy donors can easily make up 7 million a year. There's that too. But to put this into perspective let's say the Big 12 can draw U.S.C., a private, and pick up Colorado with possibly a Utah or Arizona school or both. Then making in the 50 million range is not impossible. It's a question of the mix.

What will eventually face Ohio State and Penn State is the prospect of making more than Big 10 money, a good bit more, and gaining access to Southern recruiting by looking at a move. People think that impossible, but if some form of pay for play is adopted I think the splits that result everywhere will blow the minds of many. And even if it doesn't come to that the demographics indicate that a change in the thinking of Northern Midwest schools is inevitable. If Texas and Oklahoma won't move North, and if Notre Dame keeps saying no and gets healthier for seeing the demographic shifts earlier and making their move more into the East Coast and Deep South then the key Big 10 schools will be out of options. How many Rutgers and Marylands can you add? They aren't profitable now that the model has shifted to more of a content driven one.

Ohio State and Penn State can stay in the Big 10 and get their 55 million, but the SEC is going to blow through that to 67 to 72 million by 2024, if not sooner. At some point Ohio State and Penn State are going to be very tempted to preserve their sports heritage, make more money, and free themselves of those who are living off of the money they make.

(08-25-2020 10:04 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:03 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Why would Texas or Oklahoma want to leave? If the BIG dissolves maybe they poach both Iowa and NE?

OK let's go really fantasy here. The SEC can take anyone they want from any conference (Notre Dame included). Who's on their wish list? Assume no baggage required (Texas won't require Texas Tech, Oklahoma won't require Oklahoma State, etc). How many teams would they take? How about Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame? If the SEC could get all six of them, would they still want to get Clemson and Florida State if they could get them too?

My guess is that the SEC and Notre Dame are a mutual no.

True, but that doesn't mean we are on bad terms either. It just means we know who we are. Scheduling agreements are good enough. Other than that you are the ACC's dream team, not ours.

(08-25-2020 05:05 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Obviously money conquers all. You shove enough money in front of someone and they'll change conferences. I'll say though if I were in charge of Penn State it would take a ton of $ to get me to come to the SEC (same for Illinois although I would guess the Illini would be pretty far down on the SEC's wish list). If PSU were forced to leave the B1G, I'd feel much more comfortable in the ACC than the SEC as they fit better geographically, academically, demographically, and culturally. Illinois wouldn't fit with the ACC geographically but they are pretty close to Notre Dame and are definitely academically/demographically/culturally more ACC than SEC. Like it or not, I have two big problems with the SEC and they both start with M. You think I don't like being in the same conference with Nebraska? I'd rather be in the same conference with Nebraska (and Iowa) than be with the two Mississippi schools. Until this past June, Mississippi still had the Confederate flag on its state flag. I get they're a part of your conference but it doesn't mean we outside of the conference need to accept them and at least to me they're deal breakers. Call me an academic snob. Then again, if academic presidents are deciding conference realignment moves, they may want to be in a conference with Mississippi and Mississippi State as much as I do. The SEC schools feel a southern and historical connection with the Mississippi schools. Penn State, Illinois, Ohio State, Michigan, and the other Big Ten schools won't, they'll just see them as academic dead weight.

Academics may not mean as much in the SEC but they still matter in the Big Ten and ACC and I'll respect those two conferences more than the SEC because of it. In college football, the SEC is no doubt king but football isn't everything to everybody.

So at CSNBBS we've discussed the Big 12 breaking up/getting raided (mainly by me:) ), the Pac-12 breaking up/getting raided, the ACC breaking up/getting raided, and now the Big 10 breaking up/getting raided. When are we going to start discussing the SEC breaking up/getting raided so we can finish off all of the P5's?

What has this got to do with academics?

(08-26-2020 05:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 05:05 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Obviously money conquers all. You shove enough money in front of someone and they'll change conferences. I'll say though if I were in charge of Penn State it would take a ton of $ to get me to come to the SEC (same for Illinois although I would guess the Illini would be pretty far down on the SEC's wish list). If PSU were forced to leave the B1G, I'd feel much more comfortable in the ACC than the SEC as they fit better geographically, academically, demographically, and culturally. Illinois wouldn't fit with the ACC geographically but they are pretty close to Notre Dame and are definitely academically/demographically/culturally more ACC than SEC. Like it or not, I have two big problems with the SEC and they both start with M. You think I don't like being in the same conference with Nebraska? I'd rather be in the same conference with Nebraska (and Iowa) than be with the two Mississippi schools. Until this past June, Mississippi still had the Confederate flag on its state flag. I get they're a part of your conference but it doesn't mean we outside of the conference need to accept them and at least to me they're deal breakers. Call me an academic snob. Then again, if academic presidents are deciding conference realignment moves, they may want to be in a conference with Mississippi and Mississippi State as much as I do. The SEC schools feel a southern and historical connection with the Mississippi schools. Penn State, Illinois, Ohio State, Michigan, and the other Big Ten schools won't, they'll just see them as academic dead weight.

Academics may not mean as much in the SEC but they still matter in the Big Ten and ACC and I'll respect those two conferences more than the SEC because of it. In college football, the SEC is no doubt king but football isn't everything to everybody.

So at CSNBBS we've discussed the Big 12 breaking up/getting raided (mainly by me:) ), the Pac-12 breaking up/getting raided, the ACC breaking up/getting raided, and now the Big 10 breaking up/getting raided. When are we going to start discussing the SEC breaking up/getting raided so we can finish off all of the P5's?

What has this got to do with academics?

The Confederate flag and the poor academic standing of the two Mississippi schools are two separate issues I have with wanting to be in a conference with them. Then again, if Mississippi people were smarter, they probably would've figured that flag was racist a long time ago. How come the rest of the South figured it out a long time ago? Why did it take 2020 for them to finally change things?

(08-25-2020 03:23 PM)Statefan Wrote:  An expansion of the "SEC" beyond 18 means the SEC is no longer a conference but a league. It might have the name SEC, but it will be the defacto old Southern Conference that had 23 members and it does not matter the exact makeup of the extra 8 or so because that "league" will be the main college football league and the issues that faced the 23 team Southern Conference in 1932 will all resurface, namely how do you structure something to keep so many happy. Keep in mind that this new league will still need at least 4-6 "chumps" in football - schools whose fan base will support them when they are perpetually 5-7.

Texas aggys aren't going anywhere lol

(08-25-2020 09:03 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Why would Texas or Oklahoma want to leave? If the BIG dissolves maybe they poach both Iowa and NE?

Big 12 North would be NE, KU, KSU, IA, ISU, WV

South would go back to UT,Tech, TCU, BU, ou, OSU

This conference would be perfect for a Arkansas/WV trade with the SEC.. It won't happen but it would benefit both schools. You could put TCU in the North and put Arkansas in the South.

Tech and Ark could play at Jerry World since DFW has tons of Tech/Ark alumni and fans.

I don't think you could get Arkansas without having to take Missouri back. Missouri's location would demand it. (leaves Big 12 with 12 schools).

Adding West Virginia would leave the SEC with 13 and if Notre Dame joins the ACC full time as expected the ACC becomes a 15 team conference.
Odd numbers don't work well, so the goal would be to move 1 ACC team to the SEC to even everybody out.

With the ONLY criteria being looking at a map, it would make sense to move Louisville into the SEC's #14 slot. This (WV, KY, Tenn, SC, GA, FLA, AUB) could be the east (ALA, MSU, UM, LSU, A&M, VU, UL) the west.

This three conference alignment is all ESPN would need to completely dominate college football broadcasts until people no longer watch college football.

(08-25-2020 10:04 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:03 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Why would Texas or Oklahoma want to leave? If the BIG dissolves maybe they poach both Iowa and NE?

OK let's go really fantasy here. The SEC can take anyone they want from any conference (Notre Dame included). Who's on their wish list? Assume no baggage required (Texas won't require Texas Tech, Oklahoma won't require Oklahoma State, etc). How many teams would they take? How about Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame? If the SEC could get all six of them, would they still want to get Clemson and Florida State if they could get them too?

They would go to 16 with Texas and Oklahoma.

(08-29-2020 05:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 10:04 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:03 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Why would Texas or Oklahoma want to leave? If the BIG dissolves maybe they poach both Iowa and NE?

OK let's go really fantasy here. The SEC can take anyone they want from any conference (Notre Dame included). Who's on their wish list? Assume no baggage required (Texas won't require Texas Tech, Oklahoma won't require Oklahoma State, etc). How many teams would they take? How about Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame? If the SEC could get all six of them, would they still want to get Clemson and Florida State if they could get them too?

They would go to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida State.

Fixed it for you, Bullet. FSU is right on up there with Texas and Oklahoma. Clemson will only be taken if UofSC can't schedule Clemson OOC anymore.

(08-29-2020 07:09 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 05:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 10:04 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:03 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Why would Texas or Oklahoma want to leave? If the BIG dissolves maybe they poach both Iowa and NE?

OK let's go really fantasy here. The SEC can take anyone they want from any conference (Notre Dame included). Who's on their wish list? Assume no baggage required (Texas won't require Texas Tech, Oklahoma won't require Oklahoma State, etc). How many teams would they take? How about Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame? If the SEC could get all six of them, would they still want to get Clemson and Florida State if they could get them too? Those are the three Big 12 properties in which ESPN would be most interested to have 100% of the rights.

They would go to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida State.

Fixed it for you, Bullet. FSU is right on up there with Texas and Oklahoma. Clemson will only be taken if UofSC can't schedule Clemson OOC anymore.

ESPN wants to play happy family with the SEC and ACC. They will not permit the SEC to take from the ACC. Should Vanderbilt ever decide to become a partial or step down the SEC could easily move to 16 full members again with Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas with the Jayhawks coming in for a Kentucky rival. ESPN would be most interested in acquiring the rights to those three brands. So Bullet is correct the two top preferences are Texas and Oklahoma to 16. Vanderbilt is the only SEC school that might waffle on pay for play. So if they seek less of a role to play Kansas is the next choice, IMO.

(08-29-2020 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 07:09 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 05:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 10:04 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:03 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Why would Texas or Oklahoma want to leave? If the BIG dissolves maybe they poach both Iowa and NE?

OK let's go really fantasy here. The SEC can take anyone they want from any conference (Notre Dame included). Who's on their wish list? Assume no baggage required (Texas won't require Texas Tech, Oklahoma won't require Oklahoma State, etc). How many teams would they take? How about Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame? If the SEC could get all six of them, would they still want to get Clemson and Florida State if they could get them too? Those are the three Big 12 properties in which ESPN would be most interested to have 100% of the rights.

They would go to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida State.

Fixed it for you, Bullet. FSU is right on up there with Texas and Oklahoma. Clemson will only be taken if UofSC can't schedule Clemson OOC anymore.

ESPN wants to play happy family with the SEC and ACC. They will not permit the SEC to take from the ACC. Should Vanderbilt ever decide to become a partial or step down the SEC could easily move to 16 full members again with Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas with the Jayhawks coming in for a Kentucky rival. ESPN would be most interested in acquiring the rights to those three brands. So Bullet is correct the two top preferences are Texas and Oklahoma to 16. Vanderbilt is the only SEC school that might waffle on pay for play. So if they seek less of a role to play Kansas is the next choice, IMO.

And FSU doesn't have the same value as Texas and Oklahoma. Even more so to the SEC which already has the most valuable program in Florida in Gainesville.

(08-29-2020 08:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 07:09 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 05:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 10:04 AM)schmolik Wrote:  OK let's go really fantasy here. The SEC can take anyone they want from any conference (Notre Dame included). Who's on their wish list? Assume no baggage required (Texas won't require Texas Tech, Oklahoma won't require Oklahoma State, etc). How many teams would they take? How about Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame? If the SEC could get all six of them, would they still want to get Clemson and Florida State if they could get them too? Those are the three Big 12 properties in which ESPN would be most interested to have 100% of the rights.

They would go to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida State.

Fixed it for you, Bullet. FSU is right on up there with Texas and Oklahoma. Clemson will only be taken if UofSC can't schedule Clemson OOC anymore.

ESPN wants to play happy family with the SEC and ACC. They will not permit the SEC to take from the ACC. Should Vanderbilt ever decide to become a partial or step down the SEC could easily move to 16 full members again with Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas with the Jayhawks coming in for a Kentucky rival. ESPN would be most interested in acquiring the rights to those three brands. So Bullet is correct the two top preferences are Texas and Oklahoma to 16. Vanderbilt is the only SEC school that might waffle on pay for play. So if they seek less of a role to play Kansas is the next choice, IMO.

And FSU doesn't have the same value as Texas and Oklahoma. Even more so to the SEC which already has the most valuable program in Florida in Gainesville.

Yeah that one isn't even close. You have nearly 2 billion in ancillary value for Texas and Oklahoma as a pair and 2 schools that without SEC media revenue are averaging nearly 400 million between them in Gross Revenue, with one being the top earner in the nation and the other #7. FSU was up there this year but a lot of that was a donation. They do well but not usually top 10.

(08-29-2020 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 07:09 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 05:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 10:04 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 09:03 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Why would Texas or Oklahoma want to leave? If the BIG dissolves maybe they poach both Iowa and NE?

OK let's go really fantasy here. The SEC can take anyone they want from any conference (Notre Dame included). Who's on their wish list? Assume no baggage required (Texas won't require Texas Tech, Oklahoma won't require Oklahoma State, etc). How many teams would they take? How about Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame? If the SEC could get all six of them, would they still want to get Clemson and Florida State if they could get them too? Those are the three Big 12 properties in which ESPN would be most interested to have 100% of the rights.

They would go to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida State.

Fixed it for you, Bullet. FSU is right on up there with Texas and Oklahoma. Clemson will only be taken if UofSC can't schedule Clemson OOC anymore.

ESPN wants to play happy family with the SEC and ACC. They will not permit the SEC to take from the ACC. Should Vanderbilt ever decide to become a partial or step down the SEC could easily move to 16 full members again with Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas West Virginia with the Jayhawks Mountaineers coming in for a Kentucky rival. ESPN would be most interested in acquiring the rights to those three brands. So Bullet is correct the two top preferences are Texas and Oklahoma to 16. Vanderbilt is the only SEC school that might waffle on pay for play. So if they seek less of a role to play Kansas is the next choice, IMO.

(08-29-2020 08:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 07:09 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 05:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 10:04 AM)schmolik Wrote:  OK let's go really fantasy here. The SEC can take anyone they want from any conference (Notre Dame included). Who's on their wish list? Assume no baggage required (Texas won't require Texas Tech, Oklahoma won't require Oklahoma State, etc). How many teams would they take? How about Oklahoma, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, and Notre Dame? If the SEC could get all six of them, would they still want to get Clemson and Florida State if they could get them too? Those are the three Big 12 properties in which ESPN would be most interested to have 100% of the rights.

They would go to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida State.

Fixed it for you, Bullet. FSU is right on up there with Texas and Oklahoma. Clemson will only be taken if UofSC can't schedule Clemson OOC anymore.

ESPN wants to play happy family with the SEC and ACC. They will not permit the SEC to take from the ACC. Should Vanderbilt ever decide to become a partial or step down the SEC could easily move to 16 full members again with Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas West Virginia with the Jayhawks Mountaineers coming in for a Kentucky rival. ESPN would be most interested in acquiring the rights to those three brands. So Bullet is correct the two top preferences are Texas and Oklahoma to 16. Vanderbilt is the only SEC school that might waffle on pay for play. So if they seek less of a role to play Kansas is the next choice, IMO.

Nah, West Virginia is destined for the ACC.

(08-29-2020 09:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 08:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 07:09 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 05:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  They would go to 16 with Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida State.

Fixed it for you, Bullet. FSU is right on up there with Texas and Oklahoma. Clemson will only be taken if UofSC can't schedule Clemson OOC anymore.

ESPN wants to play happy family with the SEC and ACC. They will not permit the SEC to take from the ACC. Should Vanderbilt ever decide to become a partial or step down the SEC could easily move to 16 full members again with Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas West Virginia with the Jayhawks Mountaineers coming in for a Kentucky rival. ESPN would be most interested in acquiring the rights to those three brands. So Bullet is correct the two top preferences are Texas and Oklahoma to 16. Vanderbilt is the only SEC school that might waffle on pay for play. So if they seek less of a role to play Kansas is the next choice, IMO.

Nah, West Virginia is destined for the ACC.

At one point in the past, I would have thought that too.
If Texas and Oklahoma joined the SEC there would be absolutely no way the Conference would NEED any other presence in the west.
Kansas football is below cannon fodder level and would be the worst cultural "fit" in the entirety of college sports.

No if Vandy leaves it won't be to accept a partial roll in the SEC, but it will be to join to ACC which would give that conference more westward penetration along with Notre Dame and Louisville and further taking advantage of Georgia Tech's position at the tail end of the Appalachians.

West Virginia will join the SEC to give Kentucky a couch burning partner and to give Tennessee a local rival in basketball as well as football.

Even if the SEC only went to 15, that one add would be the Mountaineers.

Sorry JR, West Virginia is not destined to join the ACC, but it is the SEC that will be stuck with them.

(08-30-2020 08:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 09:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 08:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 07:09 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Fixed it for you, Bullet. FSU is right on up there with Texas and Oklahoma. Clemson will only be taken if UofSC can't schedule Clemson OOC anymore.

ESPN wants to play happy family with the SEC and ACC. They will not permit the SEC to take from the ACC. Should Vanderbilt ever decide to become a partial or step down the SEC could easily move to 16 full members again with Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas West Virginia with the Jayhawks Mountaineers coming in for a Kentucky rival. ESPN would be most interested in acquiring the rights to those three brands. So Bullet is correct the two top preferences are Texas and Oklahoma to 16. Vanderbilt is the only SEC school that might waffle on pay for play. So if they seek less of a role to play Kansas is the next choice, IMO.

Nah, West Virginia is destined for the ACC.

At one point in the past, I would have thought that too.
If Texas and Oklahoma joined the SEC there would be absolutely no way the Conference would NEED any other presence in the west.
Kansas football is below cannon fodder level and would be the worst cultural "fit" in the entirety of college sports.

No if Vandy leaves it won't be to accept a partial roll in the SEC, but it will be to join to ACC which would give that conference more westward penetration along with Notre Dame and Louisville and further taking advantage of Georgia Tech's position at the tail end of the Appalachians.

West Virginia will join the SEC to give Kentucky a couch burning partner and to give Tennessee a local rival in basketball as well as football.

Even if the SEC only went to 15, that one add would be the Mountaineers.

Sorry JR, West Virginia is not destined to join the ACC, but it is the SEC that will be stuck with them.

The SEC has one hard and fast rule for expansion, and one strong caveat.

They must add to the bottom line. West Virginia Doesn't.
They must be a cultural fit. Neither West Virginia nor Kansas are. But Kansas is AAU and a national brand in a sport where we want national branding, and ESPN wants them.

(08-30-2020 09:40 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-30-2020 08:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 09:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 08:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-29-2020 07:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ESPN wants to play happy family with the SEC and ACC. They will not permit the SEC to take from the ACC. Should Vanderbilt ever decide to become a partial or step down the SEC could easily move to 16 full members again with Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas West Virginia with the Jayhawks Mountaineers coming in for a Kentucky rival. ESPN would be most interested in acquiring the rights to those three brands. So Bullet is correct the two top preferences are Texas and Oklahoma to 16. Vanderbilt is the only SEC school that might waffle on pay for play. So if they seek less of a role to play Kansas is the next choice, IMO.

Nah, West Virginia is destined for the ACC.

At one point in the past, I would have thought that too.
If Texas and Oklahoma joined the SEC there would be absolutely no way the Conference would NEED any other presence in the west.
Kansas football is below cannon fodder level and would be the worst cultural "fit" in the entirety of college sports.

No if Vandy leaves it won't be to accept a partial roll in the SEC, but it will be to join to ACC which would give that conference more westward penetration along with Notre Dame and Louisville and further taking advantage of Georgia Tech's position at the tail end of the Appalachians.

West Virginia will join the SEC to give Kentucky a couch burning partner and to give Tennessee a local rival in basketball as well as football.

Even if the SEC only went to 15, that one add would be the Mountaineers.

Sorry JR, West Virginia is not destined to join the ACC, but it is the SEC that will be stuck with them.

The SEC has one hard and fast rule for expansion, and one strong caveat.

They must add to the bottom line. West Virginia Doesn't.
They must be a cultural fit. Neither West Virginia nor Kansas are. But Kansas is AAU and a national brand in a sport where we want national branding, and ESPN wants them.

:lol:

Old rules are out the window, JR.
Paradigms have shifted again.
The SEC no longer has the liberty of being a partial ESPN entity. They are now owned lock stock and barrel by the Mouse, and because of such, they will obey.
West Virginia strengthens the SEC where they are they are the weakest and provides a ready made ACC crossover partner with Pitt. This, by the way allows another crossover with Tennessee and Virginia Tech. It's all part of ESPN's plan.
Don't be surprised when Mizzou leaves the SEC to return to the Big 12 as their #10 to replace WVU.

Your way of thinking over the last several years is passe'. Your old arguments are no longer valid because they don't represent ESPN's overall plan for college football.:cheers: