(06-24-2020 09:39 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 03:50 AM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Move this to spin room.

The whole thing was an attempt to troll Liberty. Maybe the wild west spin room.

So you’re saying that any time a university president or coach does something that is ticketed or racist and causes star players to leave it automatically is political?

(06-24-2020 09:07 AM)panama Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:50 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  It doesn't really matter what your views are on BLM. I mean, it does but not in this discussion.

The issue here is Jerry Falwell, Jr. I don't care for his politics but I'll admit that he's made a lot of smart moves that have quickly propelled the University to where it is and where it's going. Now though he's becoming a toxic element that a lot of the students, alumni and other interest holders feel doesn't represent the schools value as a Christian University and will ultimately hold them back. I know this as I know plenty of these people living an hour from Lynchburg. He needs to be forced out. They've also lost a star ladies basketball player, many black staff and the support of alumni. Most of this is due to JFJ's tweet depicting our governor in blackface on a facemask.

https://wset.com/news/local/top-liberty-...sitivities

I'm hoping Old Dominion can land one or both of these transfers.

Is it just him or the environment on campus. It seems like that's what the player statement is referring to.

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All have cited a problem with "leadership" and not with regard to the program leadership but the school leadership. Many of the black staff that left were pretty unambiguous about it as was the letter from black alumni. He's a large part of the problem, sure there's probably a fair portion of the student population that agree's 100% with him but it's not as a homogeneous student body as you might think.

(06-24-2020 08:51 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 05:33 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Who would have thought an arch-conservative religious school would be racially insensitive?

Exactly. I always hate to blame the players but what did they think Liberty was going to be like? None of this is exactly new stuff.

I know someone who went to Liberty's medical school, not because of any deep affection for Liberty's worldview but because it provided an opportunity. That's the calculus I presume that those players (and many people who attend/work at Liberty) make: Is the benefit of being there enough to counterbalance the issues I have with them, and is it my best course of action.

It's entirely believable that the two football players, the women's basketball player, and the staffers joined Liberty knowing who they were but also willing to accept it for the sake of the opportunity, but reversing when Falwell crossed a line and what Liberty stands for can no longer be counterbalanced.

tl;dr they don't mind working for/attending a conservative Christian school but do mind it when its president promotes Northam blackface facemasks.

(06-23-2020 03:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 02:44 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  So much denial on their forum. yikes

Yeah - it is scary. Outright racism, denialism, and more. A few level heads.

Can you link the racist thread? Is it this one: https://forums.aseaofred.com/forums/view...=2&t=27242

No racism on first page but I stopped there.

(06-24-2020 10:11 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 08:51 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 05:33 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Who would have thought an arch-conservative religious school would be racially insensitive?

Exactly. I always hate to blame the players but what did they think Liberty was going to be like? None of this is exactly new stuff.

I know someone who went to Liberty's medical school, not because of any deep affection for Liberty's worldview but because it provided an opportunity. That's the calculus I presume that those players (and many people who attend/work at Liberty) make: Is the benefit of being there enough to counterbalance the issues I have with them, and is it my best course of action.

It's entirely believable that the two football players, the women's basketball player, and the staffers joined Liberty knowing who they were but also willing to accept it for the sake of the opportunity, but reversing when Falwell crossed a line and what Liberty stands for can no longer be counterbalanced.

tl;dr they don't mind working for/attending a conservative Christian school but do mind it when its president promotes Northam blackface facemasks.

Calculus = use someone until it doesn't benefit them anymore. Great people.

(06-23-2020 05:56 PM)TuckerGnat Wrote:  I saw that somebody on their boards posted, "Although I don't agree with the concept of BLM, I hope the best for them."

The concept of BLM is that Black Lives Matter... what about that doesn't this guy agree with? It's not saying no other lives matter. It's simply asking the rest of the world to agree that African Americans shouldn't be strangled, shot in the back, sodomized with a broom handle, etc. I would hope we can all agree with that pretty basic concept.

Yes, 99.9999% of people agree with your 2nd paragraph.
They don't agree with the BLM Marxist mission.

(06-23-2020 07:32 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:14 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 05:56 PM)TuckerGnat Wrote:  I saw that somebody on their boards posted, "Although I don't agree with the concept of BLM, I hope the best for them."

The concept of BLM is that Black Lives Matter... what about that doesn't this guy agree with? It's not saying no other lives matter. It's simply asking the rest of the world to agree that African Americans shouldn't be strangled, shot in the back, sodomized with a broom handle, etc. I would hope we can all agree with that pretty basic concept.

No, the concept and value of the current BLM movement has been completely lost in the last month. It's now a vehicle for extreme left wing propoganda. We as a country lost a huge opportunity to call for real.change and unity after Floyd's death was caught on video. Battle lines have now been draw and folks have made up their minds on what BLM means to them.

If that is what you have taken away from the Protests over the last month, then you are part of the problem.

No change was going to happen without protests. Change is happening. Change is sometimes messy, but for many POC, status quo is worse.

We never could have had unity because 35% of the country don't think the Police did anything wrong, and since Floyd had a record, he someone was at fault.

When Kaepernick tried to protest peacefully, he was run out the league. Every time a Black person was killed there was always the excuse and coverups, with little or no punishments.

Sorry if some of you have been made uncomfortable over the last month - maybe that will open enough eyes to make a difference.

Equality, equal treatment under the law, freedom to live without being in fear of being shot or killed aren't left wing ideals. They should be AMERICAN Ideals. HUMAN ideals.

Look at Ahmaud Arbery - hunted down, terrorized and killed solely because he was black. And Law Enforcement covered for the murderers.

Look at Breonna Taylor - murdered in her own home by sheer incompetence, no charges filed yet, Louisville tried to sweep it under the rug.

Change is needed. Change will happen. Count on it.

Let me address the insanity here:
Kaepernick was never going to resigned at the price he wanted. Mike Florio, a staunch Communist like yourself, said as much in September 2016 or 1/4 through that season. He would have been signed if he took less.

2nd, would you be uncomfortable if someone threw a Molotov cocktail through your living room window. I would expect as much. Please stop with the hypocrisy. If any of this happened to you, you'd be begging for the police at your door. You're fine as long as the war doesn't come to your door.

Since before I was born, many white people have been using the bogeyman of "marxism" or "communism" to justify their position on civil rights for African Americans. And for all that time, that excuse has been a crock. It's a lot easier to convince yourself that you are just anti-communist than to admit that you are just prejudiced.

In all my 75 years, I can honestly say I have never heard anyone describe himself as being a bigot. Bigots truly believe they are good people. It must be hard for them to accept that, on this issue, it is the "marxists" who hold the moral high ground.

(06-24-2020 10:44 AM)ken d Wrote:  Since before I was born, many white people have been using the bogeyman of "marxism" or "communism" to justify their position on civil rights for African Americans. And for all that time, that excuse has been a crock. It's a lot easier to convince yourself that you are just anti-communist than to admit that you are just prejudiced.

In all my 75 years, I can honestly say I have never heard anyone describe himself as being a bigot. Bigots truly believe they are good people. It must be hard for them to accept that, on this issue, it is the "marxists" who hold the moral high ground.

https://youtu.be/rdpIIiBe7Wc

I’m only describing them as they have described themselves.

Liberty’s conservative social and political views are very well known—its a major factor in why a lot of folks choose to go there. If you can’t deal with the fact that they have a different world view than you then you probably shouldn’t have gone to the school in the first place.

(06-24-2020 11:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Liberty’s conservative social and political views are very well known—its a major factor in why a lot of folks choose to go there. If you can’t deal with the fact that they have a different world view than you then you probably shouldn’t have gone to the school in the first place.

Exactly, they have no hidden agenda.

(06-24-2020 11:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Liberty’s conservative social and political views are very well known—its a major factor in why a lot of folks choose to go there. If you can’t deal with the fact that they have a different world view than you then you probably shouldn’t have gone to the school in the first place.

The irony being that the African-American community is very socially conservative and religious by-and-large. If the conservatives could get ahold of their racism, they could win over a lot of A-A voters. I'm sure these kids signed with Liberty to be in the religious atmosphere, but obviously the disrespect for the lives of fellow Christians by many on the right seems to be a bit too much for these players to bear.

(06-24-2020 11:35 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Liberty’s conservative social and political views are very well known—its a major factor in why a lot of folks choose to go there. If you can’t deal with the fact that they have a different world view than you then you probably shouldn’t have gone to the school in the first place.

The irony being that the African-American community is very socially conservative and religious by-and-large. If the conservatives could get ahold of their racism, they could win over a lot of A-A voters. I'm sure these kids signed with Liberty to be in the religious atmosphere, but obviously the disrespect for the lives of fellow Christians by many on the right seems to be a bit too much for these players to bear.

Explain how is exactly you are equating [white] conservatives with racism?

By in large, your average American conservative is defined by these ideas:

Small Government/Low Taxes
Pro-life
Pro-family values
Pro-2nd amendment
Against expensive social programs that have been failures for decades (welfare)
Anti-illegal immigration
Loves their country

How are any of these things racist?

(06-24-2020 10:26 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 03:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 02:44 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  So much denial on their forum. yikes

Yeah - it is scary. Outright racism, denialism, and more. A few level heads.

Can you link the racist thread? Is it this one: https://forums.aseaofred.com/forums/view...=2&t=27242

No racism on first page but I stopped there.

Some of the same crap you are posting on this page. Dismissing Black concerns because you believe they are Marxist, pro-LGBT, etc.

(06-24-2020 07:37 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:27 AM)army56mike Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:20 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 03:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 02:44 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  So much denial on their forum. yikes

Yeah - it is scary. Outright racism, denialism, and more. A few level heads.

After reading the post about how BLM is conspiring with the LGBT to destroy the traditional family set which they also said was the last thing the blacks need right now (that tired stereotype that black people don't have dads), I decided I had read enough.

Good ole Liberty

You do realize that the only fan from Liberty to make a post in this thread is me right? And I only wished the best to both our former players?
I’m not sure how Liberty is being lumped into all these other comments and receiving the ire of the public here.

I realize that. I'm referring to what I read on ASeaOfRed.com not this board.

I love LU but steer clear of that board. It’s like a echo chamber of die hard LU fans from the old folks home. One post they put some blame on the democrats......HUH??!! I’m a fan of the movement of BLM and think something needs to change. Joe Rogen had some guests on this past week that had some insightful views on how this all happened and what could be done.

(06-24-2020 10:35 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:32 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 07:14 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 05:56 PM)TuckerGnat Wrote:  I saw that somebody on their boards posted, "Although I don't agree with the concept of BLM, I hope the best for them."

The concept of BLM is that Black Lives Matter... what about that doesn't this guy agree with? It's not saying no other lives matter. It's simply asking the rest of the world to agree that African Americans shouldn't be strangled, shot in the back, sodomized with a broom handle, etc. I would hope we can all agree with that pretty basic concept.

No, the concept and value of the current BLM movement has been completely lost in the last month. It's now a vehicle for extreme left wing propoganda. We as a country lost a huge opportunity to call for real.change and unity after Floyd's death was caught on video. Battle lines have now been draw and folks have made up their minds on what BLM means to them.

If that is what you have taken away from the Protests over the last month, then you are part of the problem.

No change was going to happen without protests. Change is happening. Change is sometimes messy, but for many POC, status quo is worse.

We never could have had unity because 35% of the country don't think the Police did anything wrong, and since Floyd had a record, he someone was at fault.

When Kaepernick tried to protest peacefully, he was run out the league. Every time a Black person was killed there was always the excuse and coverups, with little or no punishments.

Sorry if some of you have been made uncomfortable over the last month - maybe that will open enough eyes to make a difference.

Equality, equal treatment under the law, freedom to live without being in fear of being shot or killed aren't left wing ideals. They should be AMERICAN Ideals. HUMAN ideals.

Look at Ahmaud Arbery - hunted down, terrorized and killed solely because he was black. And Law Enforcement covered for the murderers.

Look at Breonna Taylor - murdered in her own home by sheer incompetence, no charges filed yet, Louisville tried to sweep it under the rug.

Change is needed. Change will happen. Count on it.

Let me address the insanity here:
Kaepernick was never going to resigned at the price he wanted. Mike Florio, a staunch Communist like yourself, said as much in September 2016 or 1/4 through that season. He would have been signed if he took less.

2nd, would you be uncomfortable if someone threw a Molotov cocktail through your living room window. I would expect as much. Please stop with the hypocrisy. If any of this happened to you, you'd be begging for the police at your door. You're fine as long as the war doesn't come to your door.

The only insanity is you and your wacko, anti-American views

(06-24-2020 11:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Liberty’s conservative social and political views are very well known—its a major factor in why a lot of folks choose to go there. If you can’t deal with the fact that they have a different world view than you then you probably shouldn’t have gone to the school in the first place.

18-year old kids don't always do all the research - they see the facilities, like the coach, and think, it can't be that bad. One of the players did say that he SHOULD have done more research on it and the culture at Falwell U

(06-24-2020 11:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:35 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Liberty’s conservative social and political views are very well known—its a major factor in why a lot of folks choose to go there. If you can’t deal with the fact that they have a different world view than you then you probably shouldn’t have gone to the school in the first place.

The irony being that the African-American community is very socially conservative and religious by-and-large. If the conservatives could get ahold of their racism, they could win over a lot of A-A voters. I'm sure these kids signed with Liberty to be in the religious atmosphere, but obviously the disrespect for the lives of fellow Christians by many on the right seems to be a bit too much for these players to bear.

Explain how is exactly you are equating [white] conservatives with racism?

By in large, your average American conservative is defined by these ideas:

Small Government/Low Taxes
Pro-life
Pro-family values
Pro-2nd amendment
Against expensive social programs that have been failures for decades (welfare)
Anti-illegal immigration
Loves their country

How are any of these things racist?

Because a good portion of them hold racist views, regardless of other positions.

Like your 2nd Amendment example - California used to have lax gun laws. Then the Black Panthers started arming themselves. Turns out they only wanted the 2nd Amendment to apply to whites.

(06-24-2020 11:54 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:37 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:27 AM)army56mike Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 07:20 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 03:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Yeah - it is scary. Outright racism, denialism, and more. A few level heads.

After reading the post about how BLM is conspiring with the LGBT to destroy the traditional family set which they also said was the last thing the blacks need right now (that tired stereotype that black people don't have dads), I decided I had read enough.

Good ole Liberty

You do realize that the only fan from Liberty to make a post in this thread is me right? And I only wished the best to both our former players?
I’m not sure how Liberty is being lumped into all these other comments and receiving the ire of the public here.

I realize that. I'm referring to what I read on ASeaOfRed.com not this board.

I love LU but steer clear of that board. It’s like a echo chamber of die hard LU fans from the old folks home. One post they put some blame on the democrats......HUH??!! I’m a fan of the movement of BLM and think something needs to change. Joe Rogen had some guests on this past week that had some insightful views on how this all happened and what could be done.

And to be fair, there are a good number of posters there that don't like JFJ, and wish he would shut his mouth, and understand why the players would feel uncomfortable there.

(06-24-2020 12:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:35 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Liberty’s conservative social and political views are very well known—its a major factor in why a lot of folks choose to go there. If you can’t deal with the fact that they have a different world view than you then you probably shouldn’t have gone to the school in the first place.

The irony being that the African-American community is very socially conservative and religious by-and-large. If the conservatives could get ahold of their racism, they could win over a lot of A-A voters. I'm sure these kids signed with Liberty to be in the religious atmosphere, but obviously the disrespect for the lives of fellow Christians by many on the right seems to be a bit too much for these players to bear.

Explain how is exactly you are equating [white] conservatives with racism?

By in large, your average American conservative is defined by these ideas:

Small Government/Low Taxes
Pro-life
Pro-family values
Pro-2nd amendment
Against expensive social programs that have been failures for decades (welfare)
Anti-illegal immigration
Loves their country

How are any of these things racist?

Because a good portion of them hold racist views, regardless of other positions.

Like your 2nd Amendment example - California used to have lax gun laws. Then the Black Panthers started arming themselves. Turns out they only wanted the 2nd Amendment to apply to whites.

The Milford Act was co-authored by Democrat John T Knox. It was a bipartisan bill, unconstitutional bill, that was supported by 3 republicans and 3 democrats.