(06-24-2020 11:23 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Liberty’s conservative social and political views are very well known—its a major factor in why a lot of folks choose to go there. If you can’t deal with the fact that they have a different world view than you then you probably shouldn’t have gone to the school in the first place.

Exactly, they have no hidden agenda.

I had a friend who was being recruited to play basketball for Liberty in the early 00's. He asked the assistant recruiting him about the school's atmosphere (he wasn't religious at all). The assistant assured him that in no way was being religious a requirement to go to Liberty and that "most of the student body doesn't go to church on a weekly basis."

It was one of three D-1 preferred walk-on offers he had. He wanted to take it. His mom paid his way to go down and visit the school for a long weekend because she had some concerns. He came back and swore he'd never set foot on that campus again. He had a nice D-II career.

My point is, we can't exactly be positive that these kids are going to Liberty with open eyes.

(06-24-2020 12:24 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:35 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Liberty’s conservative social and political views are very well known—its a major factor in why a lot of folks choose to go there. If you can’t deal with the fact that they have a different world view than you then you probably shouldn’t have gone to the school in the first place.

The irony being that the African-American community is very socially conservative and religious by-and-large. If the conservatives could get ahold of their racism, they could win over a lot of A-A voters. I'm sure these kids signed with Liberty to be in the religious atmosphere, but obviously the disrespect for the lives of fellow Christians by many on the right seems to be a bit too much for these players to bear.

Explain how is exactly you are equating [white] conservatives with racism?

By in large, your average American conservative is defined by these ideas:

Small Government/Low Taxes
Pro-life
Pro-family values
Pro-2nd amendment
Against expensive social programs that have been failures for decades (welfare)
Anti-illegal immigration
Loves their country

How are any of these things racist?

Because a good portion of them hold racist views, regardless of other positions.

Like your 2nd Amendment example - California used to have lax gun laws. Then the Black Panthers started arming themselves. Turns out they only wanted the 2nd Amendment to apply to whites.

The Milford Act was co-authored by Democrat John T Knox. It was a bipartisan bill, unconstitutional bill, that was supported by 3 republicans and 3 democrats.

And signed into law by Ronald Reagan

(06-24-2020 11:50 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 10:26 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 03:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-23-2020 02:44 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  So much denial on their forum. yikes

Yeah - it is scary. Outright racism, denialism, and more. A few level heads.

Can you link the racist thread? Is it this one: https://forums.aseaofred.com/forums/view...=2&t=27242

No racism on first page but I stopped there.

Some of the same crap you are posting on this page. Dismissing Black concerns because you believe they are Marxist, pro-LGBT, etc.

https://youtu.be/rdpIIiBe7Wc

What is your response to this video?

(06-24-2020 12:24 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:23 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Liberty’s conservative social and political views are very well known—its a major factor in why a lot of folks choose to go there. If you can’t deal with the fact that they have a different world view than you then you probably shouldn’t have gone to the school in the first place.

Exactly, they have no hidden agenda.

I had a friend who was being recruited to play basketball for Liberty in the early 00's. He asked the assistant recruiting him about the school's atmosphere (he wasn't religious at all). The assistant assured him that in no way was being religious a requirement to go to Liberty and that "most of the student body doesn't go to church on a weekly basis."

It was one of three D-1 preferred walk-on offers he had. He wanted to take it. His mom paid his way to go down and visit the school for a long weekend because she had some concerns. He came back and swore he'd never set foot on that campus again. He had a nice D-II career.

My point is, we can't exactly be positive that these kids are going to Liberty with open eyes.

I agree, Liberty is a gorgeous university. Great facilities and everything you could want in a college experience....IF your views align with theirs. If they don’t it is easy to see why one might not enjoy themselves at Liberty.

That doesn’t condemn Liberty or the kid. Just that it wasn’t the right atmosphere or relationship for the two party’s.

(06-24-2020 12:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:24 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:35 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  The irony being that the African-American community is very socially conservative and religious by-and-large. If the conservatives could get ahold of their racism, they could win over a lot of A-A voters. I'm sure these kids signed with Liberty to be in the religious atmosphere, but obviously the disrespect for the lives of fellow Christians by many on the right seems to be a bit too much for these players to bear.

Explain how is exactly you are equating [white] conservatives with racism?

By in large, your average American conservative is defined by these ideas:

Small Government/Low Taxes
Pro-life
Pro-family values
Pro-2nd amendment
Against expensive social programs that have been failures for decades (welfare)
Anti-illegal immigration
Loves their country

How are any of these things racist?

Because a good portion of them hold racist views, regardless of other positions.

Like your 2nd Amendment example - California used to have lax gun laws. Then the Black Panthers started arming themselves. Turns out they only wanted the 2nd Amendment to apply to whites.

The Milford Act was co-authored by Democrat John T Knox. It was a bipartisan bill, unconstitutional bill, that was supported by 3 republicans and 3 democrats.

And signed into law by Ronald Reagan

Yup. Does that make it racist because Reagan was a Republican?

(06-24-2020 12:31 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:24 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Explain how is exactly you are equating [white] conservatives with racism?

By in large, your average American conservative is defined by these ideas:

Small Government/Low Taxes
Pro-life
Pro-family values
Pro-2nd amendment
Against expensive social programs that have been failures for decades (welfare)
Anti-illegal immigration
Loves their country

How are any of these things racist?

Because a good portion of them hold racist views, regardless of other positions.

Like your 2nd Amendment example - California used to have lax gun laws. Then the Black Panthers started arming themselves. Turns out they only wanted the 2nd Amendment to apply to whites.

The Milford Act was co-authored by Democrat John T Knox. It was a bipartisan bill, unconstitutional bill, that was supported by 3 republicans and 3 democrats.

And signed into law by Ronald Reagan

Yup. Does that make it racist because Reagan was a Republican?

No it makes it racist because it was overtly targeting blacks. Reagan may not have been racist because he was a Republican but he was most certainly racist.

(06-24-2020 12:30 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:24 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:23 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 11:17 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Liberty’s conservative social and political views are very well known—its a major factor in why a lot of folks choose to go there. If you can’t deal with the fact that they have a different world view than you then you probably shouldn’t have gone to the school in the first place.

Exactly, they have no hidden agenda.

I had a friend who was being recruited to play basketball for Liberty in the early 00's. He asked the assistant recruiting him about the school's atmosphere (he wasn't religious at all). The assistant assured him that in no way was being religious a requirement to go to Liberty and that "most of the student body doesn't go to church on a weekly basis."

It was one of three D-1 preferred walk-on offers he had. He wanted to take it. His mom paid his way to go down and visit the school for a long weekend because she had some concerns. He came back and swore he'd never set foot on that campus again. He had a nice D-II career.

My point is, we can't exactly be positive that these kids are going to Liberty with open eyes.

I agree, Liberty is a gorgeous university. Great facilities and everything you could want in a college experience....IF your views align with theirs. If they don’t it is easy to see why one might not enjoy themselves at Liberty.

That doesn’t condemn Liberty or the kid. Just that it wasn’t the right atmosphere or relationship for the two party’s.

It's a Christian University for sure. But many there don't feel Falwell's actions and speech reflect their Christian values. Like I said, he's toxic.

(06-24-2020 12:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:31 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:24 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Because a good portion of them hold racist views, regardless of other positions.

Like your 2nd Amendment example - California used to have lax gun laws. Then the Black Panthers started arming themselves. Turns out they only wanted the 2nd Amendment to apply to whites.

The Milford Act was co-authored by Democrat John T Knox. It was a bipartisan bill, unconstitutional bill, that was supported by 3 republicans and 3 democrats.

And signed into law by Ronald Reagan

Yup. Does that make it racist because Reagan was a Republican?

No it makes it racist because it was overtly targeting blacks. Reagan may not have been racist because he was a Republican but he was most certainly racist.

Got neg repped for this one so in case you didn't know that Reagan was a racist, thanks to Richard Nixon's fastidious record keeping there's audio of Reagan calling an African a monkey and saying they're still not comfortable wearing shoes. Nixon laughs so he's a racist as well. Sorry.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...on/595102/

(06-24-2020 01:14 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:31 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:24 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  The Milford Act was co-authored by Democrat John T Knox. It was a bipartisan bill, unconstitutional bill, that was supported by 3 republicans and 3 democrats.

And signed into law by Ronald Reagan

Yup. Does that make it racist because Reagan was a Republican?

No it makes it racist because it was overtly targeting blacks. Reagan may not have been racist because he was a Republican but he was most certainly racist.

Got neg repped for this one so in case you didn't know that Reagan was a racist, thanks to Richard Nixon's fastidious record keeping there's audio of Reagan calling an African a monkey and saying they're still not comfortable wearing shoes. Nixon laughs so he's a racist as well. Sorry.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...on/595102/

Lyndon Johnson and Harry Truman uttered racial slurs as well, so they were definitely racist.

In fact, the Democratic party has a rich history of racism and was pro-segregation for years. I think they should be put out to pasture just like the Confederacy.

(06-24-2020 01:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 01:14 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:31 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(06-24-2020 12:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  And signed into law by Ronald Reagan

Yup. Does that make it racist because Reagan was a Republican?

No it makes it racist because it was overtly targeting blacks. Reagan may not have been racist because he was a Republican but he was most certainly racist.

Got neg repped for this one so in case you didn't know that Reagan was a racist, thanks to Richard Nixon's fastidious record keeping there's audio of Reagan calling an African a monkey and saying they're still not comfortable wearing shoes. Nixon laughs so he's a racist as well. Sorry.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archiv...on/595102/

Lyndon Johnson and Harry Truman uttered racial slurs as well, so they were definitely racist.

In fact, the Democratic party has a rich history of racism and was pro-segregation for years. I think they should be put out to pasture just like the Confederacy.

Indeed, I agree both parties should. The one thing that's clear is that anyone trying to make the argument that slavery was long ago and we've left racism behind. Or that the civil rights act put blacks on equal footing and we're living in a post-racial society. Or that systemic racism isn't a problem throughout our country is naive.

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that both candidate's for POTUS have uttered racial slurs as well?


We're getting off topic though. Liberty needs to address this face on or they're going to have more problems.

The United States and its 300 million or so people should have more than two choices of dimwits every four years. Technically, we have more than two, but the stranglehold is so tight that it never appears realistic. I think everyone can agree on that.

Could you imagine if Americans only had two television stations?

All black lives matter.

Communism is bad.

Both of these can still be true in American I hope.

Go to the Fox news home page and click the link about the white woman yelling at black cops and calling them "part of the problem" and then saying that she is fighting racism.

I'm black and this is one of my biggest issues with where BLM is going. I appreciate that the movement is gaining more attention. But now I feel as thought white liberals are controlling it an making it more of an anti-capitalism movement.

I don't give a crap about you wanting to de-fund the police or what you think should offend me. I simply want for us to be treated as friends/countrymen/women.

Notre Dame is interested in CB Tayvion Land as a potential transfer candidate.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/notre-...k-transfer

(06-24-2020 02:54 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Notre Dame is interested in CB Tayvion Land as a potential transfer candidate.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/notre-...k-transfer

I'm sure he's getting a lot of attention. He was highly recruited coming out of high school, has 3 years left and a decent shot at a waiver to play next year. I'm hoping he wants to come home to the 757.

(06-24-2020 02:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Go to the Fox news home page and click the link about the white woman yelling at black cops and calling them "part of the problem" and then saying that she is fighting racism.

I'm black and this is one of my biggest issues with where BLM is going. I appreciate that the movement is gaining more attention. But now I feel as thought white liberals are controlling it an making it more of an anti-capitalism movement.

I don't give a crap about you wanting to de-fund the police or what you think should offend me. I simply want for us to be treated as friends/countrymen/women.

Defunding police is an interesting idea, terribly marketed. To me it's about return on investment. If we're able to spend money reducing crime instead of spending the money fighting crime then that's a win. I'm not sure what that looks like or if it'll work or if cities have enough leverage in their budgets to make a difference. But it's an interesting idea. We've been losing the "War on Drugs" for decades by fighting it supply side and using incarceration, seems like coming at it from the demand side would be more effective.

(06-24-2020 02:16 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  All black lives matter.

Communism is bad.

Both of these can still be true in American I hope.

They could be true. But for many Americans, all black lives don't matter. "Black Lives Matter" is a slogan meaning black lives should matter as much as any other lives. As such, it is aspirational for many, and threatening for some. Until it is aspirational for everyone, racism will continue to haunt America as it has unabated for hundreds of years.

(06-24-2020 02:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Go to the Fox news home page and click the link about the white woman yelling at black cops and calling them "part of the problem" and then saying that she is fighting racism.

I'm black and this is one of my biggest issues with where BLM is going. I appreciate that the movement is gaining more attention. But now I feel as thought white liberals are controlling it an making it more of an anti-capitalism movement.

I don't give a crap about you wanting to de-fund the police or what you think should offend me. I simply want for us to be treated as friends/countrymen/women.

Yep. Our lone Republican on city council in Cincinnati is black. We've had some contentious debate at council meetings over the past few days and had the same thing happen here with the white libs. He tweeted a comment the other day that said something to the effect of "I appreciate the passion of white progressive women, but I don't need you lecturing me on the what its like to be black in America."

(06-24-2020 02:03 PM)esayem Wrote:  The United States and its 300 million or so people should have more than two choices of dimwits every four years. Technically, we have more than two, but the stranglehold is so tight that it never appears realistic. I think everyone can agree on that.

Could you imagine if Americans only had two television stations?

When I was a kid we only had 2 TV stations.

(06-24-2020 02:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Go to the Fox news home page and click the link about the white woman yelling at black cops and calling them "part of the problem" and then saying that she is fighting racism.

I'm black and this is one of my biggest issues with where BLM is going. I appreciate that the movement is gaining more attention. But now I feel as thought white liberals are controlling it an making it more of an anti-capitalism movement.

I don't give a crap about you wanting to de-fund the police or what you think should offend me. I simply want for us to be treated as friends/countrymen/women.

This^^^