(06-02-2020 02:28 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:45 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:42 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to divorce as a nation (or at the very least something like the articles of confederation). Let the liberal states become communist paradises while the red states return to a constitutional patriotic America (or perhaps even an illiberal democracy). Only solution I see to end things peacefully.

I'm Southern born and bred, and when I die, I'll be Southern dead... However the War of Northern Aggression was about keeping this nation as a whole nation and not divided, hence the name United States.

The War of Northern Aggression was about the North trying shove their way of life down the South’s throat. Like you Sir I am a Southerner to the bone. I refuse to travel North of the M/D for every time I do I break out in hives. Once went to Chicago and asked for Sweet Tea. You would have thought I had just declared war.

PS...
These Antifa idiots can Kiss My Rebel Ass.

Unfortunately for me, I married a Yankee gal and I've moved here. However the area is beautiful and I don't tire of the mountains.

(06-02-2020 02:26 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:22 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:17 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:58 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  NFL. Outside of city limits, sheriffs are elected not chosen. Different ball game.

When the rioters realize that the sh*t they're destroying affects them, they'll move outside the city limits.

The Antifa people aren't going to attack their homes, and the inner city people don't have the transportation to get out of the cities and get back.

So, how does your theory work? I'm not saying your are wrong, but there are a lot of things that will have to take place.

Can they do small scale riots...attack a walmart or target...yes, but large scale ransacking of suburbia seems like a tremendous resource issue for those that don't have resources.

If they decide to coordinate they can. Let's take the bricks for example, if true about the bundles of bricks being left all over cities, if that can be coordinated so can loading up people and attacking places outside the city limits...

The only goal would be to try and cut off people from trying to get from point A to B, meaning coming from outside the city to inside the city and attacking the vehicles. Let's be honest, there are many people who are going to stop for idiots in the middle of the road.

My comment was how do they coordinate and who pays for it...the suburbs are much more spread out than the cities and getting in and out in a scale that couldnt' be stopped would be rather costly. You have to be able to get them into and out of the suburbs.

Also, about the bricks, that was my point about Antifa not attacking their homes. These little snotty white anarchists appear to be from the suburbs and I doubt they want their neighbors seeing them torch houses and local establishments.

You make good points Bucco.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.

I know last night there were threats in Montgomery, AL on the nicer shopping areas and nicer neighborhoods..

The other thing you must remember, not all these attacks are from locals... Some are from out of state... You think Billy from NY cares about how nice a neighborhood Tim from Georgia lives in before he attacks it?

(06-02-2020 02:33 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:26 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:22 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:17 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  When the rioters realize that the sh*t they're destroying affects them, they'll move outside the city limits.

The Antifa people aren't going to attack their homes, and the inner city people don't have the transportation to get out of the cities and get back.

So, how does your theory work? I'm not saying your are wrong, but there are a lot of things that will have to take place.

Can they do small scale riots...attack a walmart or target...yes, but large scale ransacking of suburbia seems like a tremendous resource issue for those that don't have resources.

If they decide to coordinate they can. Let's take the bricks for example, if true about the bundles of bricks being left all over cities, if that can be coordinated so can loading up people and attacking places outside the city limits...

The only goal would be to try and cut off people from trying to get from point A to B, meaning coming from outside the city to inside the city and attacking the vehicles. Let's be honest, there are many people who are going to stop for idiots in the middle of the road.

My comment was how do they coordinate and who pays for it...the suburbs are much more spread out than the cities and getting in and out in a scale that couldnt' be stopped would be rather costly. You have to be able to get them into and out of the suburbs.

Also, about the bricks, that was my point about Antifa not attacking their homes. These little snotty white anarchists appear to be from the suburbs and I doubt they want their neighbors seeing them torch houses and local establishments.

You make good points Bucco.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.

I know last night there were threats in Montgomery, AL on the nicer shopping areas and nicer neighborhoods..

The other thing you must remember, not all these attacks are from locals... Some are from out of state... You think Billy from NY cares about how nice a neighborhood Tim from Georgia lives in before he attacks it?

Please take my comments as hopeful, since I live 20 miles east of Philly.

(06-02-2020 02:29 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:25 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:55 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:52 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  The simple solution is don’t resist arrest. Simple as that. If you got a problem with an officer take it up at the next city council meeting. Chances are with the membership there you will get a favorable ear.

Seriously. DON’T RESIST ARREST AND YOU WILL NOT BE KILLED OR BEATEN.

There is much truth to this. Not 100% but fairly close.

A better solution is to not get arrested.

If the three of you think that is a viable solution, then you are naive or maybe you really think that is all it takes. It is much deeper than that. You may see it this way if you have blinders on or you choose not to see what the real issue is.

I have spent my entire life not getting arrested. I consider that the civic duty of every person.

You want my active approval and cooperation? Then have these protesters list as their number one action:

1. Obey the laws so you don't get arrested for a cause.

Other than numerous church organizations, I have never seen this.

It certainly is not front and center here.

Again, it is much deeper than that and you know it. But let's continue to cover our eyes and ears. You will stay in your safe place.

(06-02-2020 02:38 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:33 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:26 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:22 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:17 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  The Antifa people aren't going to attack their homes, and the inner city people don't have the transportation to get out of the cities and get back.

So, how does your theory work? I'm not saying your are wrong, but there are a lot of things that will have to take place.

Can they do small scale riots...attack a walmart or target...yes, but large scale ransacking of suburbia seems like a tremendous resource issue for those that don't have resources.

If they decide to coordinate they can. Let's take the bricks for example, if true about the bundles of bricks being left all over cities, if that can be coordinated so can loading up people and attacking places outside the city limits...

The only goal would be to try and cut off people from trying to get from point A to B, meaning coming from outside the city to inside the city and attacking the vehicles. Let's be honest, there are many people who are going to stop for idiots in the middle of the road.

My comment was how do they coordinate and who pays for it...the suburbs are much more spread out than the cities and getting in and out in a scale that couldnt' be stopped would be rather costly. You have to be able to get them into and out of the suburbs.

Also, about the bricks, that was my point about Antifa not attacking their homes. These little snotty white anarchists appear to be from the suburbs and I doubt they want their neighbors seeing them torch houses and local establishments.

You make good points Bucco.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.

I know last night there were threats in Montgomery, AL on the nicer shopping areas and nicer neighborhoods..

The other thing you must remember, not all these attacks are from locals... Some are from out of state... You think Billy from NY cares about how nice a neighborhood Tim from Georgia lives in before he attacks it?

Please take my comments as hopeful, since I live 20 miles east of Philly.

Jersey right?

(06-02-2020 02:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:38 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:33 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:26 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:22 PM)gdunn Wrote:  If they decide to coordinate they can. Let's take the bricks for example, if true about the bundles of bricks being left all over cities, if that can be coordinated so can loading up people and attacking places outside the city limits...

The only goal would be to try and cut off people from trying to get from point A to B, meaning coming from outside the city to inside the city and attacking the vehicles. Let's be honest, there are many people who are going to stop for idiots in the middle of the road.

My comment was how do they coordinate and who pays for it...the suburbs are much more spread out than the cities and getting in and out in a scale that couldnt' be stopped would be rather costly. You have to be able to get them into and out of the suburbs.

Also, about the bricks, that was my point about Antifa not attacking their homes. These little snotty white anarchists appear to be from the suburbs and I doubt they want their neighbors seeing them torch houses and local establishments.

You make good points Bucco.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.

I know last night there were threats in Montgomery, AL on the nicer shopping areas and nicer neighborhoods..

The other thing you must remember, not all these attacks are from locals... Some are from out of state... You think Billy from NY cares about how nice a neighborhood Tim from Georgia lives in before he attacks it?

Please take my comments as hopeful, since I live 20 miles east of Philly.

Jersey right?

Yes...for now. Looking to buy down in Florida and live part time in both, while the family lives full time in a state that functions.

the solution is always more cowbell.

(06-02-2020 02:56 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:38 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:33 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:26 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  My comment was how do they coordinate and who pays for it...the suburbs are much more spread out than the cities and getting in and out in a scale that couldnt' be stopped would be rather costly. You have to be able to get them into and out of the suburbs.

Also, about the bricks, that was my point about Antifa not attacking their homes. These little snotty white anarchists appear to be from the suburbs and I doubt they want their neighbors seeing them torch houses and local establishments.

You make good points Bucco.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.

I know last night there were threats in Montgomery, AL on the nicer shopping areas and nicer neighborhoods..

The other thing you must remember, not all these attacks are from locals... Some are from out of state... You think Billy from NY cares about how nice a neighborhood Tim from Georgia lives in before he attacks it?

Please take my comments as hopeful, since I live 20 miles east of Philly.

Jersey right?

Yes...for now. Looking to buy down in Florida and live part time in both, while the family lives full time in a state that functions.

Florida is full

(06-02-2020 03:02 PM)fsquid Wrote:  the solution is always more cowboy.

naw man...the boomers only sawed off.....

(06-02-2020 10:48 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Somehow Police brutality needs to be addressed. Rioters & Looters need to be arrested and charged, and protesters should be allowed to peaceably protest.

Now it is very easy to say those things, but harder to to do. It's too bad that our President hasn't been a little more unifying in this. As much as I despise Obama who was most certainly a divider and not a unifier, Trump should have attempted to bring him in for a "summit" and press conference.

Heck, that Pinto is the last person that you want to see in the WH. Can you imagine the outrage from Conservatives who despise Oblunder and the propaganda from the Commie media that Trump couldn't handle the problem. That would be like waving the white flag in defeat. No way, that summit idea really sucks. Keep Oblunder away from the WH and send him to Congress instead to answer questions about his treason. Not reward him by asking for his "opinion".

(06-02-2020 01:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:16 PM)maximus Wrote:  At a high level....truly loving one another and all sides reciprocating that love.

At a granular level, sitting down and having discussions on what the barriers are and what are reasonable and real solutions. Discuss up front what is absolutely off the table and work back from there. There are solutions, but they must be defined, measurable, agreed upon, and reevaluated on a regular basis.

And, it has to happen on the local level, one size will not fit all.



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With all due respect there Batman, the League of Shadows has already overrun Gotham Asylum and let the loons out and it is being repeated in blue cities everywhere. Honest discussion would be nice, but I have profound reservations about the "Honest" part, especially after the antics of the Deep State in the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and in the House Committees and among RINO's. Oh, and the "Love" never was.

The discussions are not just 2 sided. Bring in local conservatives, liberals, libertarians, denominations, non denomination, law enforcement, etc.. Define the problem, propose measurable solutions, start small, measure, reevaluate and adjust and expand based on whats working or not. Involve the citizens of the local community in the planning, execution, and evaluation. Live stream the discussions so everyone can see the dialogue or sometimes lack there of.

Key is to remove the off the wall asks and demands from the beginning, find middle ground....it is there, just damn hard to find.

Notice I didnt mention "politician" anywhere, they should not be included in the discussion. Those clowns are the main deterrent to finding middle ground.

After plans are made bring them in, and as one voice, you demand the proposed solutions. If they dont want to play nice... make sure everyone knows, scream it from the rooftops.

Im naturally a realist, do i think this would work everywhere? Well no, but there are communitues who long for togetherness and, well, community.



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(06-02-2020 11:09 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:34 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I'm seeing a lot of complaining and virtual signalling all over social media but I have yet to see one "outraged" person offer a solution that is reasonable.

So I am asking our minority posters to tell us all what we as a nation can do to end this reasonably.

I'm not a minority poster, but I am a far leftist so I'll throw in my opinion anyway. I think some kind of mass protesting/rioting has been coming for a while. You could obviously see it percolating with the "open up" protests, and it's been a powder keg waiting to explode. The Floyd murder was just the spark that finally set this off. Normally these things kinda break down and calm down after a few days because most people have jobs and lives they need to get back to, but the entire societal structure is breaking down. You've got like 40 million people unemployed and both parties have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt they will not help you. A lot of these people don't have lives and jobs to go back to, they are broke, they are going to lose their home as soon as evictions are allowed again, and they don't see any reason to hope for better. If the government was making it clear that they were going to make sure everyone was whole and no ones life was going to be completely ruined because of this crisis then it wouldn't be this ugly, but that ship has long since sailed.

Whenever this does eventually calm down some kind of riots/protests are going to break out again if the material conditions of people continue to not be met at all. Don't know what will be the cause of it, but it will happen.

And, likely unintentionally, you swerved into some truthiness here.

This ^^^ is precisely why you DON'T put your lives in the hands of your benevolent "Government".

Government can't make you whole, the government produces nothing (burdensome regs and dictates aside). Relying on some arbitrary decision by some unknown, unaccountable, unpredictable government or government employee to "make you whole" makes you a subject or worse.
Not "you" personally, but you as in "one". Makes one a subject.

I think en macro you are right, this has been a long time coming. We've groomed far too many younger folk to think of Gov't as their savior- Things head south, Gov't will save me. Dependence on gov't is exactly what the left has strived and yearned for, for decades.

It is a helpless and hopeless feeling when that same Gov't eventually fails you. When they then come and say "Oh, we'll help you along, just submit to our authority", that's when you know it's time to head for the tall grass. Now, they gotcha.

Suckers bet.

(06-02-2020 11:19 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:09 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If the government was making it clear that they were going to make sure everyone was whole and no ones life was going to be completely ruined because of this crisis then it wouldn't be this ugly, but that ship has long since sailed.

The problem with this is the fact that the government cannot make everyone whole because in order to make someone "whole" they have to make someone else less than "whole". Not to mention the fact that it's not the government's responsibility to make you "whole", it's the government's responsibility to grease the skids so that you can make yourself "whole".

Yea, or this.

Knew I shoulda just kept reading.

(06-02-2020 02:56 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:54 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:38 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:33 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:26 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  My comment was how do they coordinate and who pays for it...the suburbs are much more spread out than the cities and getting in and out in a scale that couldnt' be stopped would be rather costly. You have to be able to get them into and out of the suburbs.

Also, about the bricks, that was my point about Antifa not attacking their homes. These little snotty white anarchists appear to be from the suburbs and I doubt they want their neighbors seeing them torch houses and local establishments.

You make good points Bucco.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.

I know last night there were threats in Montgomery, AL on the nicer shopping areas and nicer neighborhoods..

The other thing you must remember, not all these attacks are from locals... Some are from out of state... You think Billy from NY cares about how nice a neighborhood Tim from Georgia lives in before he attacks it?

Please take my comments as hopeful, since I live 20 miles east of Philly.

Jersey right?

Yes...for now. Looking to buy down in Florida and live part time in both, while the family lives full time in a state that functions.

It gets real, drive west on 80. Our county is in the Green and re-opened for the most part, but if it gets real there, it's gonna get real here too, and I'm headed for the mountain retreat.

(06-02-2020 03:14 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:16 PM)maximus Wrote:  At a high level....truly loving one another and all sides reciprocating that love.

At a granular level, sitting down and having discussions on what the barriers are and what are reasonable and real solutions. Discuss up front what is absolutely off the table and work back from there. There are solutions, but they must be defined, measurable, agreed upon, and reevaluated on a regular basis.

And, it has to happen on the local level, one size will not fit all.



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With all due respect there Batman, the League of Shadows has already overrun Gotham Asylum and let the loons out and it is being repeated in blue cities everywhere. Honest discussion would be nice, but I have profound reservations about the "Honest" part, especially after the antics of the Deep State in the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and in the House Committees and among RINO's. Oh, and the "Love" never was.

The discussions are not just 2 sided. Bring in local conservatives, liberals, libertarians, denominations, non denomination, law enforcement, etc.. Define the problem, propose measurable solutions, start small, measure, reevaluate and adjust and expand based on whats working or not. Involve the citizens of the local community in the planning, execution, and evaluation. Live stream the discussions so everyone can see the dialogue or sometimes lack there of.

Key is to remove the off the wall asks and demands from the beginning, find middle ground....it is there, just damn hard to find.

Notice I didnt mention "politician" anywhere, they should not be included in the discussion. Those clowns are the main deterrent to finding middle ground.

After plans are made bring them in, and as one voice, you demand the proposed solutions. If they dont want to play nice... make sure everyone knows, scream it from the rooftops.

Im naturally a realist, do i think this would work everywhere? Well no, but there are communitues who long for togetherness and, well, community.



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I have no problem with the grass roots movements. Local folks tend to care about one another in spite of political differences.

My issue is with likelihood of success. Until you get corporate money out of elections even a well run grass roots effort has zero chance. They'll just make up lies about your candidate knowing by the time the courts could handle a liable or slander suit (where the judge is one on their payroll) it would be too late for the voters to reconsider.

You see, I too am a realist, and from close up experience.

I agree with your approach, but there are 3 things that have to change for it to work properly.
1. Eliminate outside money from State and Local elections.
2. Eliminate Corporate money everywhere.
3. Make it illegal for a corporate multi-national or conglomerate to own media outlets.

Do that and your grassroots candidates have a chance, a good one. Don't do it and you are pissing in the wind except for school board and city council if you are really small and bigger entities don't care about you. When candidates have to work for your financial support and your issues in order to get re-elected instead of know Joe Blow Corp fully funding their campaign through XYZ PAC and then outspending and attacking your candidate 24/7 until the game is over. Truth won't matter a bit. And for the record State Political Party X or Y are both owned lock stock and barrel by the Corporations interested in your state's natural resources, business access, and political support, usually at taxpayer expense but that would be a much longer tutorial as that varies by industry and is destructive to different aspects of the tax base.

(06-02-2020 01:48 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  They want reparations and a total revamp of the Constitution (aligned w/ the Green New Deal) and a lot of white people out of office/power/business. THere's really no coming to an agreement w/ them.

(06-02-2020 01:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:45 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:42 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to divorce as a nation (or at the very least something like the articles of confederation). Let the liberal states become communist paradises while the red states return to a constitutional patriotic America (or perhaps even an illiberal democracy). Only solution I see to end things peacefully.

I'm Southern born and bred, and when I die, I'll be Southern dead... However the War of Northern Aggression was about keeping this nation as a whole nation and not divided, hence the name United States.

I fear we'll end up with a 2nd civil war or a communist style purge of people if we don't voluntarily dissolve our Union. The left literally wants to dismantle America and it's values.

I agree. Someday it might be time. I don't think we're quite there yet. Maybe if Biden loses it'll pull the Democrats back to the center.

Or completely push them over the edge.

'16 they dropped to their knees and screamed. '20? Who knows what they're capable of.

One thing is for certain, and it pains me to say this cause I love that town, Milwaukee's gonna burn. Perhaps Charlotte as well.

(06-02-2020 02:33 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:26 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:22 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:17 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  When the rioters realize that the sh*t they're destroying affects them, they'll move outside the city limits.

The Antifa people aren't going to attack their homes, and the inner city people don't have the transportation to get out of the cities and get back.

So, how does your theory work? I'm not saying your are wrong, but there are a lot of things that will have to take place.

Can they do small scale riots...attack a walmart or target...yes, but large scale ransacking of suburbia seems like a tremendous resource issue for those that don't have resources.

If they decide to coordinate they can. Let's take the bricks for example, if true about the bundles of bricks being left all over cities, if that can be coordinated so can loading up people and attacking places outside the city limits...

The only goal would be to try and cut off people from trying to get from point A to B, meaning coming from outside the city to inside the city and attacking the vehicles. Let's be honest, there are many people who are going to stop for idiots in the middle of the road.

My comment was how do they coordinate and who pays for it...the suburbs are much more spread out than the cities and getting in and out in a scale that couldnt' be stopped would be rather costly. You have to be able to get them into and out of the suburbs.

Also, about the bricks, that was my point about Antifa not attacking their homes. These little snotty white anarchists appear to be from the suburbs and I doubt they want their neighbors seeing them torch houses and local establishments.

You make good points Bucco.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am.

I know last night there were threats in Montgomery, AL on the nicer shopping areas and nicer neighborhoods..

The other thing you must remember, not all these attacks are from locals... Some are from out of state... You think Billy from NY cares about how nice a neighborhood Tim from Georgia lives in before he attacks it?

Perhaps not, but he best give pause for whether Tim from Georgia, he and his kids, have been hunting for generations.

(06-02-2020 02:47 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:29 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:25 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:55 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  There is much truth to this. Not 100% but fairly close.

A better solution is to not get arrested.

If the three of you think that is a viable solution, then you are naive or maybe you really think that is all it takes. It is much deeper than that. You may see it this way if you have blinders on or you choose not to see what the real issue is.

I have spent my entire life not getting arrested. I consider that the civic duty of every person.

You want my active approval and cooperation? Then have these protesters list as their number one action:

1. Obey the laws so you don't get arrested for a cause.

Other than numerous church organizations, I have never seen this.

It certainly is not front and center here.

Again, it is much deeper than that and you know it. But let's continue to cover our eyes and ears. You will stay in your safe place.

Ok, fine.

Then explain to us what these deeper issues are, how have they failed to be addressed, how can we improve on that, who's responsibility is that? Surely this has been done successfully elsewhere if it's all so apparent.

thx.

(06-02-2020 03:40 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:47 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:29 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:25 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  A better solution is to not get arrested.

If the three of you think that is a viable solution, then you are naive or maybe you really think that is all it takes. It is much deeper than that. You may see it this way if you have blinders on or you choose not to see what the real issue is.

I have spent my entire life not getting arrested. I consider that the civic duty of every person.

You want my active approval and cooperation? Then have these protesters list as their number one action:

1. Obey the laws so you don't get arrested for a cause.

Other than numerous church organizations, I have never seen this.

It certainly is not front and center here.

Again, it is much deeper than that and you know it. But let's continue to cover our eyes and ears. You will stay in your safe place.

Ok, fine.

Then explain to us what these deeper issues are, how have they failed to be addressed, how can we improve on that, who's responsibility is that? Surely this has been done successfully elsewhere if it's all so apparent.

thx.

Crickets

(06-02-2020 02:47 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:29 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:25 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:55 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  There is much truth to this. Not 100% but fairly close.

A better solution is to not get arrested.

If the three of you think that is a viable solution, then you are naive or maybe you really think that is all it takes. It is much deeper than that. You may see it this way if you have blinders on or you choose not to see what the real issue is.

I have spent my entire life not getting arrested. I consider that the civic duty of every person.

You want my active approval and cooperation? Then have these protesters list as their number one action:

1. Obey the laws so you don't get arrested for a cause.

Other than numerous church organizations, I have never seen this.

It certainly is not front and center here.

Again, it is much deeper than that and you know it. But let's continue to cover our eyes and ears. You will stay in your safe place.

That's the solution. The problem is you won't accept it.

Why is that the solution? Because if black people in mass quit being criminals, they would no longer be pulled over all the time. There would be much less chance for things to go wrong. There would be less expectation of issues by the police when something did happen.

Everything would improve immensely. It would happen much more quickly than you ever imagine. Two or three years could change the country.

That would solve the police violence issue.

It would not solve poor education, poor financial prospects, difficult job opportunities, under-serviced neighborhoods, or broken homes. In that sense it does go deeper. I don't see any of that improving before the image of crime-laden communities is reversed.

You have to start somewhere. If you have a better idea that is fantastic. But any idea that involves other people solving your problems are not likely to even get off the ground until people see a safe community to engage.