(06-02-2020 01:33 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Honest and open dialogue would be a good start. Understanding that justice is a process and that everyone is entitled to due process.

A beer summit?

(06-02-2020 01:16 PM)maximus Wrote:  At a high level....truly loving one another and all sides reciprocating that love.

At a granular level, sitting down and having discussions on what the barriers are and what are reasonable and real solutions. Discuss up front what is absolutely off the table and work back from there. There are solutions, but they must be defined, measurable, agreed upon, and reevaluated on a regular basis.

And, it has to happen on the local level, one size will not fit all.



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With all due respect there Batman, the League of Shadows has already overrun Gotham Asylum and let the loons out and it is being repeated in blue cities everywhere. Honest discussion would be nice, but I have profound reservations about the "Honest" part, especially after the antics of the Deep State in the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and in the House Committees and among RINO's. Oh, and the "Love" never was.

(06-02-2020 11:45 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:42 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to divorce as a nation (or at the very least something like the articles of confederation). Let the liberal states become communist paradises while the red states return to a constitutional patriotic America (or perhaps even an illiberal democracy). Only solution I see to end things peacefully.

I'm Southern born and bred, and when I die, I'll be Southern dead... However the War of Northern Aggression was about keeping this nation as a whole nation and not divided, hence the name United States.

I fear we'll end up with a 2nd civil war or a communist style purge of people if we don't voluntarily dissolve our Union. The left literally wants to dismantle America and it's values.

(06-02-2020 01:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:45 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:42 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to divorce as a nation (or at the very least something like the articles of confederation). Let the liberal states become communist paradises while the red states return to a constitutional patriotic America (or perhaps even an illiberal democracy). Only solution I see to end things peacefully.

I'm Southern born and bred, and when I die, I'll be Southern dead... However the War of Northern Aggression was about keeping this nation as a whole nation and not divided, hence the name United States.

I fear we'll end up with a 2nd civil war or a communist style purge of people if we don't voluntarily dissolve our Union. The left literally wants to dismantle America and it's values.

We as a nation need to figure out a way to prevent this. I agree it won't be a regional type war, but one fought between ideals.. I fear that the battlefield will take place in capital houses and there will be many disillusioned followers on both sides, and the riots won't be contained to cities.

(06-02-2020 01:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:45 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:42 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to divorce as a nation (or at the very least something like the articles of confederation). Let the liberal states become communist paradises while the red states return to a constitutional patriotic America (or perhaps even an illiberal democracy). Only solution I see to end things peacefully.

I'm Southern born and bred, and when I die, I'll be Southern dead... However the War of Northern Aggression was about keeping this nation as a whole nation and not divided, hence the name United States.

I fear we'll end up with a 2nd civil war or a communist style purge of people if we don't voluntarily dissolve our Union. The left literally wants to dismantle America and it's values.

This is the best legitimate reason for separation. You better believe the Deep State DOJ/FBI coupled with the Pro China Multi Nationals who own the High Tech world would use every illegal intrusion technology could employ to create the purge list.

(06-02-2020 01:35 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:33 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Honest and open dialogue would be a good start. Understanding that justice is a process and that everyone is entitled to due process.

A beer summit?

Depends on the beer.

They want reparations and a total revamp of the Constitution (aligned w/ the Green New Deal) and a lot of white people out of office/power/business. THere's really no coming to an agreement w/ them.

(06-02-2020 01:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:45 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:42 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to divorce as a nation (or at the very least something like the articles of confederation). Let the liberal states become communist paradises while the red states return to a constitutional patriotic America (or perhaps even an illiberal democracy). Only solution I see to end things peacefully.

I'm Southern born and bred, and when I die, I'll be Southern dead... However the War of Northern Aggression was about keeping this nation as a whole nation and not divided, hence the name United States.

I fear we'll end up with a 2nd civil war or a communist style purge of people if we don't voluntarily dissolve our Union. The left literally wants to dismantle America and it's values.

I agree. Someday it might be time. I don't think we're quite there yet. Maybe if Biden loses it'll pull the Democrats back to the center.

I mean, isn’t the obvious solution to vote all Democrats? They’ve been promising to fix stuff for 50+ years, eventually they’ll do it right? They feed on my emotions and tell me all the right things to make me feel so good!

(06-02-2020 01:44 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:45 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:42 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to divorce as a nation (or at the very least something like the articles of confederation). Let the liberal states become communist paradises while the red states return to a constitutional patriotic America (or perhaps even an illiberal democracy). Only solution I see to end things peacefully.

I'm Southern born and bred, and when I die, I'll be Southern dead... However the War of Northern Aggression was about keeping this nation as a whole nation and not divided, hence the name United States.

I fear we'll end up with a 2nd civil war or a communist style purge of people if we don't voluntarily dissolve our Union. The left literally wants to dismantle America and it's values.

We as a nation need to figure out a way to prevent this. I agree it won't be a regional type war, but one fought between ideals.. I fear that the battlefield will take place in capital houses and there will be many disillusioned followers on both sides, and the riots won't be contained to cities.

NFL. Outside of city limits, sheriffs are elected not chosen. Different ball game.

(06-02-2020 10:55 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:52 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  The simple solution is don’t resist arrest. Simple as that. If you got a problem with an officer take it up at the next city council meeting. Chances are with the membership there you will get a favorable ear.

Seriously. DON’T RESIST ARREST AND YOU WILL NOT BE KILLED OR BEATEN.

There is much truth to this. Not 100% but fairly close.

A better solution is to not get arrested.

(06-02-2020 02:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:55 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:52 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  The simple solution is don’t resist arrest. Simple as that. If you got a problem with an officer take it up at the next city council meeting. Chances are with the membership there you will get a favorable ear.

Seriously. DON’T RESIST ARREST AND YOU WILL NOT BE KILLED OR BEATEN.

There is much truth to this. Not 100% but fairly close.

A better solution is to not get arrested.

Ok, well, that's 100% true :)

(06-02-2020 01:58 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:44 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:45 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:42 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to divorce as a nation (or at the very least something like the articles of confederation). Let the liberal states become communist paradises while the red states return to a constitutional patriotic America (or perhaps even an illiberal democracy). Only solution I see to end things peacefully.

I'm Southern born and bred, and when I die, I'll be Southern dead... However the War of Northern Aggression was about keeping this nation as a whole nation and not divided, hence the name United States.

I fear we'll end up with a 2nd civil war or a communist style purge of people if we don't voluntarily dissolve our Union. The left literally wants to dismantle America and it's values.

We as a nation need to figure out a way to prevent this. I agree it won't be a regional type war, but one fought between ideals.. I fear that the battlefield will take place in capital houses and there will be many disillusioned followers on both sides, and the riots won't be contained to cities.

NFL. Outside of city limits, sheriffs are elected not chosen. Different ball game.

When the rioters realize that the sh*t they're destroying affects them, they'll move outside the city limits.

(06-02-2020 02:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:58 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:44 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:45 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I'm Southern born and bred, and when I die, I'll be Southern dead... However the War of Northern Aggression was about keeping this nation as a whole nation and not divided, hence the name United States.

I fear we'll end up with a 2nd civil war or a communist style purge of people if we don't voluntarily dissolve our Union. The left literally wants to dismantle America and it's values.

We as a nation need to figure out a way to prevent this. I agree it won't be a regional type war, but one fought between ideals.. I fear that the battlefield will take place in capital houses and there will be many disillusioned followers on both sides, and the riots won't be contained to cities.

NFL. Outside of city limits, sheriffs are elected not chosen. Different ball game.

When the rioters realize that the sh*t they're destroying affects them, they'll move outside the city limits.

The Antifa people aren't going to attack their homes, and the inner city people don't have the transportation to get out of the cities and get back.

So, how does your theory work? I'm not saying your are wrong, but there are a lot of things that will have to take place.

Can they do small scale riots...attack a walmart or target...yes, but large scale ransacking of suburbia seems like a tremendous resource issue for those that don't have resources.

(06-02-2020 02:17 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:58 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:44 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I fear we'll end up with a 2nd civil war or a communist style purge of people if we don't voluntarily dissolve our Union. The left literally wants to dismantle America and it's values.

We as a nation need to figure out a way to prevent this. I agree it won't be a regional type war, but one fought between ideals.. I fear that the battlefield will take place in capital houses and there will be many disillusioned followers on both sides, and the riots won't be contained to cities.

NFL. Outside of city limits, sheriffs are elected not chosen. Different ball game.

When the rioters realize that the sh*t they're destroying affects them, they'll move outside the city limits.

The Antifa people aren't going to attack their homes, and the inner city people don't have the transportation to get out of the cities and get back.

So, how does your theory work? I'm not saying your are wrong, but there are a lot of things that will have to take place.

Can they do small scale riots...attack a walmart or target...yes, but large scale ransacking of suburbia seems like a tremendous resource issue for those that don't have resources.

If they decide to coordinate they can. Let's take the bricks for example, if true about the bundles of bricks being left all over cities, if that can be coordinated so can loading up people and attacking places outside the city limits...

The only goal would be to try and cut off people from trying to get from point A to B, meaning coming from outside the city to inside the city and attacking the vehicles. Let's be honest, there are many people who are going to stop for idiots in the middle of the road.

(06-02-2020 02:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:55 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:52 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  The simple solution is don’t resist arrest. Simple as that. If you got a problem with an officer take it up at the next city council meeting. Chances are with the membership there you will get a favorable ear.

Seriously. DON’T RESIST ARREST AND YOU WILL NOT BE KILLED OR BEATEN.

There is much truth to this. Not 100% but fairly close.

A better solution is to not get arrested.

If the three of you think that is a viable solution, then you are naive or maybe you really think that is all it takes. It is much deeper than that. You may see it this way if you have blinders on or you choose not to see what the real issue is.

(06-02-2020 02:22 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:17 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:58 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 01:44 PM)gdunn Wrote:  We as a nation need to figure out a way to prevent this. I agree it won't be a regional type war, but one fought between ideals.. I fear that the battlefield will take place in capital houses and there will be many disillusioned followers on both sides, and the riots won't be contained to cities.

NFL. Outside of city limits, sheriffs are elected not chosen. Different ball game.

When the rioters realize that the sh*t they're destroying affects them, they'll move outside the city limits.

The Antifa people aren't going to attack their homes, and the inner city people don't have the transportation to get out of the cities and get back.

So, how does your theory work? I'm not saying your are wrong, but there are a lot of things that will have to take place.

Can they do small scale riots...attack a walmart or target...yes, but large scale ransacking of suburbia seems like a tremendous resource issue for those that don't have resources.

If they decide to coordinate they can. Let's take the bricks for example, if true about the bundles of bricks being left all over cities, if that can be coordinated so can loading up people and attacking places outside the city limits...

The only goal would be to try and cut off people from trying to get from point A to B, meaning coming from outside the city to inside the city and attacking the vehicles. Let's be honest, there are many people who are going to stop for idiots in the middle of the road.

My comment was how do they coordinate and who pays for it...the suburbs are much more spread out than the cities and getting in and out in a scale that couldnt' be stopped would be rather costly. You have to be able to get them into and out of the suburbs.

Also, about the bricks, that was my point about Antifa not attacking their homes. These little snotty white anarchists appear to be from the suburbs and I doubt they want their neighbors seeing them torch houses and local establishments.

(06-02-2020 12:37 PM)Murray007 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:42 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to divorce as a nation (or at the very least something like the articles of confederation). Let the liberal states become communist paradises while the red states return to a constitutional patriotic America (or perhaps even an illiberal democracy). Only solution I see to end things peacefully.

I've seen secession thrown around increasingly in US political thought, and while I used to think it was just a ridiculous notion I have changed my mind slightly on the matter. Breaking apart the US into a more regional system I think would have a lot of advantages for self-governance purposes. We could even maintain something like the UK's Commonwealth for military and trade purposes.

Its called federalism. National government and state governments each with their own areas of authority. It would be nice if the Democrats quit trying to undermine it.

(06-02-2020 11:45 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:42 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to divorce as a nation (or at the very least something like the articles of confederation). Let the liberal states become communist paradises while the red states return to a constitutional patriotic America (or perhaps even an illiberal democracy). Only solution I see to end things peacefully.

I'm Southern born and bred, and when I die, I'll be Southern dead... However the War of Northern Aggression was about keeping this nation as a whole nation and not divided, hence the name United States.

The War of Northern Aggression was about the North trying shove their way of life down the South’s throat. Like you Sir I am a Southerner to the bone. I refuse to travel North of the M/D for every time I do I break out in hives. Once went to Chicago and asked for Sweet Tea. You would have thought I had just declared war.

PS...
These Antifa idiots can Kiss My Rebel Ass.

(06-02-2020 02:25 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 02:02 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:55 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:52 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  The simple solution is don’t resist arrest. Simple as that. If you got a problem with an officer take it up at the next city council meeting. Chances are with the membership there you will get a favorable ear.

Seriously. DON’T RESIST ARREST AND YOU WILL NOT BE KILLED OR BEATEN.

There is much truth to this. Not 100% but fairly close.

A better solution is to not get arrested.

If the three of you think that is a viable solution, then you are naive or maybe you really think that is all it takes. It is much deeper than that. You may see it this way if you have blinders on or you choose not to see what the real issue is.

I have spent my entire life not getting arrested. I consider that the civic duty of every person.

You want my active approval and cooperation? Then have these protesters list as their number one action:

1. Obey the laws so you don't get arrested for a cause.

Other than numerous church organizations, I have never seen this.

It certainly is not front and center here.

(06-02-2020 01:08 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 12:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 11:03 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:57 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 10:53 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Oh, I get it...

Asking a previous President to come help solve a problem he himself clearly didn't fix is surrendering his sovereign authority as President. It would be the end of the Trump Presidency.

I can understand why you would see it that way, but I don't. Both Presidents represent different people groups who believe the system is broken against them. I would see it as an attempt to unify a broken country...and yes, we are broken. There is substantial political risk for both, but we are sitting on a ton of that risk right now and it is starting to blow up in one way or another.

Worst idea of the week. Put two narcissists in a room who despise each other, one of whom is a corrupt Chicago extreme partisan?

It may be bad, but isn't as bad as splitting the country into two. Come on, at least give me that.

I'll give you that, not the worst idea ever. IF it were a H.W. & Bubba deal or even Bubba and W. deal. This ain' that.

zerO admin tried to frame up this guy as an agent of a hostile foreign government and it continues even today. The guy you're asking to host his predecessor is, day by day, exposing him and his admin as likely the most corrupt we have ever seen in modern American politics, perhaps in American history.

There's NO WAY Trump can legitimize the last POTUS or damn near anything regarding his approach to governance. Most of it is and was one colossal L after another colossal L.

"Not a smidgen" becomes more and more laughable by the day. No thanks on another touted "beer summit", all style over substance. Guy was a friggin disaster.