(05-10-2020 09:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:37 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's a question for those of you that believe a murder was committed. Lets leave the what we think or assume was said or took place before the video starts.

My question is not based on what the media or mob thought they seen, heard or was told to think. I want anyone that watched the video, not the comments but just the video to tell me what they see? You dont know any other fact but what the video shows. You dont know why the truck is there or why the person is jogging.

Who committed a crime off what you see just in the video?

Thing is, the minutes leading up to this will matter. Who is to say he didn’t feel threatened because he was being followed by 3 men with guns? That part matters just as much as him charging the shooter.

Once more there is no evidence that shows or says three men with guns were following him. The only time a gun was shown was in the video and the man ran right at it.

You say who's to say...well unless those 3 men admits to threatening him. No one will say it. That is the thing about letting emotion getting in the way of facts. We can all say he must have been threaten and was afraid for his life...

wheres the facts to back that up? The statement was they asked him to stop and talk to them. I have not read their statements but I will be very surprised if one of them says....

we approached him in our trucks, took out our guns and told him to stop and talk to us. If that happened, you have a point. I dont believe they told the police that. But like I said I haven't read their statements. They look and acted pretty stupid. So maybe they did.

A lot of emotion is making people assume things not shown to happen. The most important thing we do know. We get to see it with our eyes....the man killed was the aggressor and did commit a crime. A crime that a person cal easily use for self defense

Here's a bright idea. How about next time let the police handle situations like this. Keep your guns at your house and protect your house.

(05-10-2020 09:37 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  A lot of emotion is making people assume things not shown to happen. The most important thing we do know. We get to see it with our eyes....the man killed was the aggressor and did commit a crime. A crime that a person cal easily use for self defense

This is certainly part of it. From a cognitive perspective though, I think the larger influence is the initial media story/spin combined with video/audio that supports enough of that narrative that the human mind ignores anything incongruent. It happened in the Trayvon Martin case several years back, it happened a week or so ago with the Trump told people to inject themselves with bleach narrative.

I’m not certain how this will play out, but I do know that the above dynamic is a problem in our society. There are too many lies from the media and politicians and too few people who are critical thinkers.

(05-10-2020 10:37 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Here's a bright idea. How about next time let the police handle situations like this. Keep your guns at your house and protect your house.

I agree it would have been a better ideal to let the police handle it. But that goes both ways. Next time someone sees a person with a shotgun and you have time to remove yourself from it...

Do just that and let the police handle it and dont try to beat a person on the face and head and try to take the gun away. Call the police that's what they are there for instead of committing a crime of assault

As for the guns (I dont own any and most likely never will) its legal in the state of Ga. and almost every state in this country. I assume it was since not charges were brought.

So wouldnt that be about like telling you, after a car accident where you hit and hurt someone. Park your car at home and call a cab or take a bus?

Did anyone see anything like this in the video? It's funny how the media sees things because I missed the very important part in bold. It's almost like "he had his hands up"

Quote:In the video, Arbery is seen jogging down a road when a truck pulled up. A man gets out of the truck and confronted him in close range with a firearm. After a short scuffle, gunshots ring out and Arbery is seen falling to the ground

Not making an opinion one way or the other on this case yet, other than it was a tragic ending for all involved. Need to see more to pick a side. What disgusts me, however, just like the Trayvon Martin 13yo photo that was the main one used of him during that episode, the media is using a HS senior photo of Arbery, who was actually older and not so clean-shaven. Such little "micro-lies" from the media kill me, as are meant as emotional red meat. It is completely unethical.

(05-10-2020 10:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:37 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's a question for those of you that believe a murder was committed. Lets leave the what we think or assume was said or took place before the video starts.

My question is not based on what the media or mob thought they seen, heard or was told to think. I want anyone that watched the video, not the comments but just the video to tell me what they see? You dont know any other fact but what the video shows. You dont know why the truck is there or why the person is jogging.

Who committed a crime off what you see just in the video?

Thing is, the minutes leading up to this will matter. Who is to say he didn’t feel threatened because he was being followed by 3 men with guns? That part matters just as much as him charging the shooter.

Once more there is no evidence that shows or says three men with guns were following him. The only time a gun was shown was in the video and the man ran right at it.

You say who's to say...well unless those 3 men admits to threatening him. No one will say it. That is the thing about letting emotion getting in the way of facts. We can all say he must have been threaten and was afraid for his life...

wheres the facts to back that up? The statement was they asked him to stop and talk to them. I have not read their statements but I will be very surprised if one of them says....

we approached him in our trucks, took out our guns and told him to stop and talk to us. If that happened, you have a point. I dont believe they told the police that. But like I said I haven't read their statements. They look and acted pretty stupid. So maybe they did.

A lot of emotion is making people assume things not shown to happen. The most important thing we do know. We get to see it with our eyes....the man killed was the aggressor and did commit a crime. A crime that a person cal easily use for self defense

Here is what I saw in the video:

At the 12 second mark of the video one of the guys was standing beside the drivers side of the truck. Arbery was jogging towards him but then changes direction and jogs toward the passengers side of the truck. I'm assuming the guy had the gun with him at that time as I highly doubt he would see Arbery running and decide to grab the gun out of the truck. Also if he saw Arbery jogging and saw him change direction why go get your gun? That makes him look like he was looking for trouble. Arbery was jogging towards him but then he changed directions and went around to the passengers side of the truck. Why? If Arbery was looking for a fight why go around the truck? Why not attack the man then instead going around? At the 16 second mark you saw Arbery change direction again and head to the front of the truck. The man position is now in front of the truck instead of at the drivers side. Why again? What was said? Why leave your position from drivers side to the front of the truck? Maybe Arbery thought the man was going to shoot him and that his best defense would be to try and disarm the man. If the man would have stayed on the drivers side by the door. Arbery would have kept on jogging.

You said in an earlier post that he chose to start a fight. I don't think he did. If he wanted to fight he would have ran up on the guy the moment he saw him. Plus it seemed like the guy with the gun wanted something from him as he clearly went around the front of the truck and thats when Arbery attacked him.

(05-10-2020 11:13 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 10:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:37 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's a question for those of you that believe a murder was committed. Lets leave the what we think or assume was said or took place before the video starts.

My question is not based on what the media or mob thought they seen, heard or was told to think. I want anyone that watched the video, not the comments but just the video to tell me what they see? You dont know any other fact but what the video shows. You dont know why the truck is there or why the person is jogging.

Who committed a crime off what you see just in the video?

Thing is, the minutes leading up to this will matter. Who is to say he didn’t feel threatened because he was being followed by 3 men with guns? That part matters just as much as him charging the shooter.

Once more there is no evidence that shows or says three men with guns were following him. The only time a gun was shown was in the video and the man ran right at it.

You say who's to say...well unless those 3 men admits to threatening him. No one will say it. That is the thing about letting emotion getting in the way of facts. We can all say he must have been threaten and was afraid for his life...

wheres the facts to back that up? The statement was they asked him to stop and talk to them. I have not read their statements but I will be very surprised if one of them says....

we approached him in our trucks, took out our guns and told him to stop and talk to us. If that happened, you have a point. I dont believe they told the police that. But like I said I haven't read their statements. They look and acted pretty stupid. So maybe they did.

A lot of emotion is making people assume things not shown to happen. The most important thing we do know. We get to see it with our eyes....the man killed was the aggressor and did commit a crime. A crime that a person cal easily use for self defense

Here is what I saw in the video:

At the 12 second mark of the video one of the guys was standing beside the drivers side of the truck. Arbery was jogging towards him but then changes direction and jogs toward the passengers side of the truck. I'm assuming the guy had the gun with him at that time as I highly doubt he would see Arbery running and decide to grab the gun out of the truck. Also if he saw Arbery jogging and saw him change direction why go get your gun? That makes him look like he was looking for trouble. Arbery was jogging towards him but then he changed directions and went around to the passengers side of the truck. Why? If Arbery was looking for a fight why go around the truck? Why not attack the man then instead going around? At the 16 second mark you saw Arbery change direction again and head to the front of the truck. The man position is now in front of the truck instead of at the drivers side. Why again? What was said? Why leave your position from drivers side to the front of the truck? Maybe Arbery thought the man was going to shoot him and that his best defense would be to try and disarm the man. If the man would have stayed on the drivers side by the door. Arbery would have kept on jogging.

You said in an earlier post that he chose to start a fight. I don't think he did. If he wanted to fight he would have ran up on the guy the moment he saw him. Plus it seemed like the guy with the gun wanted something from him as he clearly went around the front of the truck and thats when Arbery attacked him.

When sentences begin with “maybe” as a defense or as a prosecutions position... it ain’t gonna hold up. Maybe you’re right? Maybe you’re not. All we can rely on absolutely to deliver justice one way or the other are facts. That’s why our justice system is based on known facts and not emotions.


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(05-11-2020 12:04 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 11:13 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 10:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:37 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's a question for those of you that believe a murder was committed. Lets leave the what we think or assume was said or took place before the video starts.

My question is not based on what the media or mob thought they seen, heard or was told to think. I want anyone that watched the video, not the comments but just the video to tell me what they see? You dont know any other fact but what the video shows. You dont know why the truck is there or why the person is jogging.

Who committed a crime off what you see just in the video?

Thing is, the minutes leading up to this will matter. Who is to say he didn’t feel threatened because he was being followed by 3 men with guns? That part matters just as much as him charging the shooter.

Once more there is no evidence that shows or says three men with guns were following him. The only time a gun was shown was in the video and the man ran right at it.

You say who's to say...well unless those 3 men admits to threatening him. No one will say it. That is the thing about letting emotion getting in the way of facts. We can all say he must have been threaten and was afraid for his life...

wheres the facts to back that up? The statement was they asked him to stop and talk to them. I have not read their statements but I will be very surprised if one of them says....

we approached him in our trucks, took out our guns and told him to stop and talk to us. If that happened, you have a point. I dont believe they told the police that. But like I said I haven't read their statements. They look and acted pretty stupid. So maybe they did.

A lot of emotion is making people assume things not shown to happen. The most important thing we do know. We get to see it with our eyes....the man killed was the aggressor and did commit a crime. A crime that a person cal easily use for self defense

Here is what I saw in the video:

At the 12 second mark of the video one of the guys was standing beside the drivers side of the truck. Arbery was jogging towards him but then changes direction and jogs toward the passengers side of the truck. I'm assuming the guy had the gun with him at that time as I highly doubt he would see Arbery running and decide to grab the gun out of the truck. Also if he saw Arbery jogging and saw him change direction why go get your gun? That makes him look like he was looking for trouble. Arbery was jogging towards him but then he changed directions and went around to the passengers side of the truck. Why? If Arbery was looking for a fight why go around the truck? Why not attack the man then instead going around? At the 16 second mark you saw Arbery change direction again and head to the front of the truck. The man position is now in front of the truck instead of at the drivers side. Why again? What was said? Why leave your position from drivers side to the front of the truck? Maybe Arbery thought the man was going to shoot him and that his best defense would be to try and disarm the man. If the man would have stayed on the drivers side by the door. Arbery would have kept on jogging.

You said in an earlier post that he chose to start a fight. I don't think he did. If he wanted to fight he would have ran up on the guy the moment he saw him. Plus it seemed like the guy with the gun wanted something from him as he clearly went around the front of the truck and thats when Arbery attacked him.

When sentences begin with “maybe” as a defense or as a prosecutions position... it ain’t gonna hold up. Maybe you’re right? Maybe you’re not. All we can rely on absolutely to deliver justice one way or the other are facts. That’s why our justice system is based on known facts and not emotions.


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Totally agree. My use of maybe is solely on my interpretation of what I saw in the video. I don't think the video will hold well for the 2 men.

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Instead of relying on what I could find on line I decided to go look at the police report when this first happened. I also went to google maps to get a ideal of where it took place. I mainly wanted to see if Arbery had other places he could have ran to if he was being threaten like some of you believe. One thing I noticed right off the police did a bad job of remembering what he was told. The streets are off. This will be a long post but will give a clearer picture of the area

This is the statement or summary



To start this off I took a video of the video starting when Arbery is first going around the curve in the rd. I also did this by pictures of the actual spots of the area





Here is actually pictures of the rd and area this took place. The first one show the start of the video. As you can see Arbery had a clear view of the shooter and his truck as he approached. If he was afraid or felt threatened he could have swung wide of the truck and kept on running. There were houses all around he could have ran to for protection. But for some reason he decided to make this into a fight.

This was around 1pm on a Sunday when most people are home



Were Arbery was when the video starts


What he see's when he rounds the curve


Where the truck was parked


Fire hydrant to show this is where it happened


all the wide open space he could have ran to instead to fight


view looking back up the rd and the spot he died


List of witnesses I have no clue what the neighbors said but you can bet if they said anything damaging the shooter would probably been arrested and charged when this took place

(05-11-2020 12:50 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Instead of relying on what I could find on line I decided to go look at the police report when this first happened. I also went to google maps to get a ideal of where it took place. I mainly wanted to see if Arbery had other places he could have ran to if he was being threaten like some of you believe. One thing I noticed right off the police did a bad job of remembering what he was told. The streets are off. This will be a long post but will give a clearer picture of the area

This is the statement or summary



To start this off I took a video of the video starting when Arbery is first going around the curve in the rd. I also did this by pictures of the actual spots of the area





Here is actually pictures of the rd and area this took place. The first one show the start of the video. As you can see Arbery had a clear view of the shooter and his truck as he approached. If he was afraid or felt threatened he could have swung wide of the truck and kept on running. There were houses all around he could have ran to for protection. But for some reason he decided to make this into a fight.

This was around 1pm on a Sunday when most people are home



Were Arbery was when the video starts


What he see's when he rounds the curve


Where the truck was parked


Fire hydrant to show this is where it happened


all the wide open space he could have ran to instead to fight


view looking back up the rd and the spot he died


List of witnesses I have no clue what the neighbors said but you can bet if they said anything damaging the shooter would probably been arrested and charged when this took place

"As you can see Arbery had a clear view of the shooter and his truck as he approached. If he was afraid or felt threatened he could have swung wide of the truck and kept on running. There were houses all around he could have ran to for protection. But for some reason he decided to make this into a fight"

I would have to disagree with this statement you made. In the video, which I stated in my earlier post, he changed directions and instead of running directly into the man with the gun he ran to the other side of the truck. The man then moved to the front of the truck and there is where the altercation happened. My question is if he wanted to pick a fight why run to the other side instead if right to the man? My next question is why did the man move to the front of the truck? Had her stayed on the passenger side. Arbery would probably have kept running. I don't think he made this into a fight. If you are running on the opposite side and someone moves to front with a gun what should you do? You are too close to run away. So should you fight or flee?

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(05-10-2020 11:13 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 10:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:48 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  

(05-10-2020 09:37 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's a question for those of you that believe a murder was committed. Lets leave the what we think or assume was said or took place before the video starts.

My question is not based on what the media or mob thought they seen, heard or was told to think. I want anyone that watched the video, not the comments but just the video to tell me what they see? You dont know any other fact but what the video shows. You dont know why the truck is there or why the person is jogging.

Who committed a crime off what you see just in the video?

Thing is, the minutes leading up to this will matter. Who is to say he didn’t feel threatened because he was being followed by 3 men with guns? That part matters just as much as him charging the shooter.

Once more there is no evidence that shows or says three men with guns were following him. The only time a gun was shown was in the video and the man ran right at it.

You say who's to say...well unless those 3 men admits to threatening him. No one will say it. That is the thing about letting emotion getting in the way of facts. We can all say he must have been threaten and was afraid for his life...

wheres the facts to back that up? The statement was they asked him to stop and talk to them. I have not read their statements but I will be very surprised if one of them says....

we approached him in our trucks, took out our guns and told him to stop and talk to us. If that happened, you have a point. I dont believe they told the police that. But like I said I haven't read their statements. They look and acted pretty stupid. So maybe they did.

A lot of emotion is making people assume things not shown to happen. The most important thing we do know. We get to see it with our eyes....the man killed was the aggressor and did commit a crime. A crime that a person cal easily use for self defense

Here is what I saw in the video:

At the 12 second mark of the video one of the guys was standing beside the drivers side of the truck. Arbery was jogging towards him but then changes direction and jogs toward the passengers side of the truck. I'm assuming the guy had the gun with him at that time as I highly doubt he would see Arbery running and decide to grab the gun out of the truck. Also if he saw Arbery jogging and saw him change direction why go get your gun? That makes him look like he was looking for trouble. Arbery was jogging towards him but then he changed directions and went around to the passengers side of the truck. Why? If Arbery was looking for a fight why go around the truck? Why not attack the man then instead going around? At the 16 second mark you saw Arbery change direction again and head to the front of the truck. The man position is now in front of the truck instead of at the drivers side. Why again? What was said? Why leave your position from drivers side to the front of the truck? Maybe Arbery thought the man was going to shoot him and that his best defense would be to try and disarm the man. If the man would have stayed on the drivers side by the door. Arbery would have kept on jogging.

You said in an earlier post that he chose to start a fight. I don't think he did. If he wanted to fight he would have ran up on the guy the moment he saw him. Plus it seemed like the guy with the gun wanted something from him as he clearly went around the front of the truck and thats when Arbery attacked him.

Here's the problem you are ASSUMING what might have been said or what a dead man might be thinking. While the other 2 people are alive to tell what did happen. When I say that I'm not saying they will be 100% truthful. But unless one of the neighbors can say different the statement they gave to the police fits the video

As the pictures I posted show at any point Arbery thought his life was in danger a whole wide open area he could have ran to. I agree with you that when he changed directions he saw the gun. But and I'm going to assume base of statements...

Arbery went around that way so he might get the jump on him. At one point he's looks to be jogging. Then he seems to sprint at the man with the gun.

As I said if the guy had threaten to kill him on the spot...no one at the scene said that. So what are they getting a conviction on? There is nothing in that video to get a conviction. Not unless its one based 100% on emotion and not the law. So to convict one of the neighbors will need to say something totally different than what they said the day this took place

If the outcome of this is based on law...I'm 100% sure they will walk. If its on the law, the father's charges will be dismissed. But I think they are convicted off of emotion and the Ga supreme court will at some point give them another trial. The evidence is so clear based off the law that I wouldnt be surprised if the Ga supreme court threw out the whole case.

Unless there is something we are not seeing

(05-11-2020 01:22 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  [quote='WKUYG' pid='16813101' dateline='1589176212']
Instead of relying on what I could find on line I decided to go look at the police report when this first happened. I also went to google maps to get a ideal of where it took place. I mainly wanted to see if Arbery had other places he could have ran to if he was being threaten like some of you believe. One thing I noticed right off the police did a bad job of remembering what he was told. The streets are off. This will be a long post but will give a clearer picture of the area

This is the statement or summary



"As you can see Arbery had a clear view of the shooter and his truck as he approached. If he was afraid or felt threatened he could have swung wide of the truck and kept on running. There were houses all around he could have ran to for protection. But for some reason he decided to make this into a fight"

I would have to disagree with this statement you made. In the video, which I stated in my earlier post, he changed directions and instead of running directly into the man with the gun he ran to the other side of the truck. The man then moved to the front of the truck and there is where the altercation happened. My question is if he wanted to pick a fight why run to the other side instead if right to the man? My next question is why did the man move to the front of the truck? Had her stayed on the passenger side. Arbery would probably have kept running. I don't think he made this into a fight. If you are running on the opposite side and someone moves to front with a gun what should you do? You are too close to run away. So should you fight or flee?

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I edited the post to shorten it not to change the context. I've actually seen people on here do that to try and made a point.

Let me ask you three questions
1. Did you see the shooter raise his gun into a threaten way?
2. Did you hear him say anything?
3. Other than to move to the front of the truck but still behind the fender. What action did he make justify the attack?


I have no doubt in my mind the man said something. But unless he admitted to it or someone else heard it. I'm not going to convict someone for murder based off something I 'think' but no one can prove it. But I dont believe the law gives you the right to attack a person based off words. That's why police have to just suck it up and take the verbal abuse....unless no one is there to see what happens next

I did not see the gun go up in a threatening motion. If it had then Arbery right to self defense would trump everything that came after. I could see some charges but not murder. Maybe the video shows it but I cant see it

Here is another reason emotion will be in this case and its based on lies. In what world does ABC news believe they can say two people jumped him when there is a video showing only the son was in the fight
https://abcnews.go.com/US/authorities-in...d=70600564

Quote:Gregory McMichael, 64, and his son, Travis, 34, were arrested on Thursday night after video of the shooting emerged this week, quickly went viral and caused outrage nationwide. The video that went viral earlier this week showed the two men wrestling with Arbery, who they say they believed to be responsible for several break-ins in the neighborhood, before he was shot three times.

Am I that blind that I cant see the father get out of the truck and start fighting with Arbery? Can someone with eyes point out what frame both father and son is in the fight? At what point does the father shoot Arbery?

One day you'll learn they're the same thing, Tim.

I just don't see how these two aren't culpable in some way. They stay in their truck and try to keep an eye on him and they are all alive to tell the tale. They exited the vehicle for a confrontation. Doesn't mean Ahmaud was innocent.

Murder is probably too high a bar for this case, because there is certainly reasonable doubt that these men intended to kill him, but I think their actions lead to his death. There should be some punishment for that.

From Reddit:

Armed Black Panthers show up to the neighbourhood of the two men who lynched black man Ahmaud Arbery

^ well that's what the prog filth wanted. Well done sheep.

(05-11-2020 03:42 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  From Reddit:

Armed Black Panthers show up to the neighbourhood of the two men who lynched black man Ahmaud Arbery

Nothing to see here... just celebrating their 2nd Amendment rights

(05-11-2020 03:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-11-2020 03:42 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  From Reddit:

Armed Black Panthers show up to the neighbourhood of the two men who lynched black man Ahmaud Arbery

Nothing to see here... just celebrating their 2nd Amendment rights

I hope no thieves jog by and try to take his weapon. That kind of thing will get you shot.

(05-11-2020 03:42 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  From Reddit:

Armed Black Panthers show up to the neighbourhood of the two men who lynched black man Ahmaud Arbery

They should have showed up at his Mother's and helped raise that guy to be a law abiding citizen or a better jogger.