Within five days.....

Lets hope this is a successful treatment for Covid-19. Of course Dems will do all they can to stop this treatment because Trump said it might be a treatment that works. The Dems would rather it fail so more people can die so they can use the number of deaths against Trump.

Quote:“This ensures continued treatment of patients who have been treated for several years for a chronic condition with this drug, but also allows a temporary authorization to allow certain patients with coronavirus to benefit from this therapeutic route,” France’s Director General of Health Jérôme Salomon said.

The French move came after Didier Raoult, an infectious diseases specialist, reported that clinical results show 78 of 80 patients treated with chloroquine recovered within five days,.

This was Dr. Raoult’s second successful treatment against the coronavirus.

Link

how this hasn't been fast-tracked for those willing in critical/terminal over a certain age in the U.S. is beyond mind-numbing....

@nothingToLose

If the ***** is hot enough I will eat some covid puta. I like my immune system.

Trump was right again, his instincts are impeccable.

Whitmer should resign in disgrace tomorrow morning at 8am. What a loser.

(03-29-2020 09:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  how this hasn't been fast-tracked for those willing in critical/terminal over a certain age in the U.S. is beyond mind-numbing....

@nothingToLose

I don't know why they are crediting the French when the Aussies came up with it a week ago. Chloroquine and Azithromycin was the cocktail that was working so well when the pandemic hit down under. It seems to be working well everywhere.

But there's a catch. Both are long standing drugs and won't be a bonanza for the Pharma companies. Hence the delay.

Sometimes those Bush Doctors who simply try everything until they find something that works need to be heard and believed as opposed to pharmaceutical Reps.

Just saying!

(03-29-2020 11:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 09:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  how this hasn't been fast-tracked for those willing in critical/terminal over a certain age in the U.S. is beyond mind-numbing....

@nothingToLose

I don't know why they are crediting the French when the Aussies came up with it a week ago. Chloroquine and Azithromycin was the cocktail that was working so well when the pandemic hit down under. It seems to be working well everywhere.

But there's a catch. Both are long standing drugs and won't be a bonanza for the Pharma companies. Hence the delay.

Sometimes those Bush Doctors who simply try everything until they find something that works need to be heard and believed as opposed to pharmaceutical Reps.

Just saying!

I don't think its credit as much as providing independent secondary confirmation of this treatment option. I certainly hope the bolded isn't the case and that the delay is from the general obstruction the FDA is known for. To find out Big Pharma lobbied hard to slow roll life saving measures would make people want to Ralph Nader the industry.

Democrat governors who banned the use of these promising drugs for severely sick patients should not only be thrown out of office but should be hung for gross malfeasance.
Somehow I am sure the left will canonize these criminals because they stood up against Trump. TDS is real and it’s an epidemic.

(03-29-2020 09:29 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Within five days.....

Lets hope this is a successful treatment for Covid-19. Of course Dems will do all they can to stop this treatment because Trump said it might be a treatment that works. The Dems would rather it fail so more people can die so they can use the number of deaths against Trump.

Quote:“This ensures continued treatment of patients who have been treated for several years for a chronic condition with this drug, but also allows a temporary authorization to allow certain patients with coronavirus to benefit from this therapeutic route,” France’s Director General of Health Jérôme Salomon said.

The French move came after Didier Raoult, an infectious diseases specialist, reported that clinical results show 78 of 80 patients treated with chloroquine recovered within five days,.

This was Dr. Raoult’s second successful treatment against the coronavirus.

Link

Nah.

Those two stupid Gov f#%^s in Nev and Mi are claiming they are banning it cause some retard and his retarded “wife” decided to use fishbowl cleaner as a prophylaxis.

My guess is you could trace her google searches and find out she knew the schit was poison and gave it to him anyway/on purpose.

Then, aforementioned stupid Gov f#%^s use that as an excuse to pump up the body count cause Orange Man Bad.

By all means necessary...

(03-29-2020 11:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 09:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  how this hasn't been fast-tracked for those willing in critical/terminal over a certain age in the U.S. is beyond mind-numbing....

@nothingToLose

I don't know why they are crediting the French when the Aussies came up with it a week ago. Chloroquine and Azithromycin was the cocktail that was working so well when the pandemic hit down under. It seems to be working well everywhere.

But there's a catch. Both are long standing drugs and won't be a bonanza for the Pharma companies. Hence the delay.

Sometimes those Bush Doctors who simply try everything until they find something that works need to be heard and believed as opposed to pharmaceutical Reps.

Just saying!

The other consideration I'm betting that is in play is that because it's generally a malaria drug, there probably is't a whole lot of it in the US and I doubt we have much made here making the ability to surge production will be tough.

Again......we've outsourced our medical manufacturing to other countries.....

Headline coming soon: Democrats Blame Trump For Not Touting Chloroquine Earlier

(03-29-2020 11:24 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Trump was right again, his instincts are impeccable.

Whitmer should resign in disgrace tomorrow morning at 8am. What a loser.

Hmm..I recalled just a few weeks ago Trump said we only had about 15 cases which he predicted would go down to zero. Fast forward to yesterday and now he's saying 100-200k "deaths" would be a "very good job" if they held it to that amount.

It seems Trump almost exclusively goes on his instincts and largely ignores advice from professionals. Thus we're in the sh*% storm we reside today.

(03-30-2020 07:01 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 11:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 09:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  how this hasn't been fast-tracked for those willing in critical/terminal over a certain age in the U.S. is beyond mind-numbing....

@nothingToLose

I don't know why they are crediting the French when the Aussies came up with it a week ago. Chloroquine and Azithromycin was the cocktail that was working so well when the pandemic hit down under. It seems to be working well everywhere.

But there's a catch. Both are long standing drugs and won't be a bonanza for the Pharma companies. Hence the delay.

Sometimes those Bush Doctors who simply try everything until they find something that works need to be heard and believed as opposed to pharmaceutical Reps.

Just saying!

The other consideration I'm betting that is in play is that because it's generally a malaria drug, there probably is't a whole lot of it in the US and I doubt we have much made here making the ability to surge production will be tough.

Again......we've outsourced our medical manufacturing to other countries.....

It’s also a drug to treat lupus, so there is a lot of it here.

(03-30-2020 07:18 AM)Wade Holt Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 11:24 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Trump was right again, his instincts are impeccable.

Whitmer should resign in disgrace tomorrow morning at 8am. What a loser.

Hmm..I recalled just a few weeks ago Trump said we only had about 15 cases which he predicted would go down to zero. Fast forward to yesterday and now he's saying 100-200k "deaths" would be a "very good job" if they held it to that amount.

It seems Trump almost exclusively goes on his instincts and largely ignores advice from professionals. Thus we're in the sh*% storm we reside today.

Step away from the MSM.

(03-29-2020 09:29 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  This was Dr. Raoult’s second successful treatment against the coronavirus.

About this guy...

Quote:But no one should mistake his scientific stature: he has discovered new pathogenic organisms that have been named after him. He is a highly respected and prolific researcher.

This makes his current position all the odder. On the basis of some laboratory evidence and a single poorly controlled study with a small number of subjects and a large number of defects, he has announced to the world that, combined with large-scale diagnostic testing, his drug regime is the solution to the epidemic.

I watched a short lecture that he gave in Marseille, available on YouTube. He drew a contrast between the ineffective response to epidemics in Marseille in the past (in 1720, the city was host to the last epidemic of bubonic plague in Europe) and the effective way that the AIDS epidemic was halted more recently—the former with isolation and quarantine, the latter with diagnosis and treatment, which, he believes, is the model for today as well.

The analogy he drew between AIDS and Covid-19 seemed to me indicative of loose thinking. The differences between the epidemics are too obvious to need enumeration. But does the legal principle applied to witnesses (abandoned, however, in most but not all jurisdictions) of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus—false in one thing, false in all—apply to a scientist such as Raoult? Clearly not.

The defects of the trial of his drug regime to cure the illness caused by Covid-19, however, are numerous and attracted immediate criticism from scientists. Whether the untreated control patients, in Nice rather than in Marseille, where he works, were matched properly with the treated patients and were therefore true controls, is uncertain. The statistical analysis maximized the benefits—that is, it was on a per-protocol, rather than intention-to-treat, basis.

The two methods of analysis can yield quite different results. Per-protocol analysis looks at the results of those patients who take the treatment as planned. Intention-to-treat analysis looks at the results of all the patents initially selected for treatment, whether or not they complete the treatment, and for whatever reason—including death or intolerable side effects—that they may fail to do so. Obviously, it is easier to obtain a good result with the former method than the latter, though both methods have their place. But to claim potential victory over an epidemic on the basis of a single small trial, whose results have been analysed per-protocol (and even then, in controversial fashion), is premature to say the least.

https://www.city-journal.org/covid-19-tr...ier-raoult

(03-29-2020 09:29 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Within five days.....

Lets hope this is a successful treatment for Covid-19. Of course Dems will do all they can to stop this treatment because Trump said it might be a treatment that works. The Dems would rather it fail so more people can die so they can use the number of deaths against Trump.

Quote:“This ensures continued treatment of patients who have been treated for several years for a chronic condition with this drug, but also allows a temporary authorization to allow certain patients with coronavirus to benefit from this therapeutic route,” France’s Director General of Health Jérôme Salomon said.

The French move came after Didier Raoult, an infectious diseases specialist, reported that clinical results show 78 of 80 patients treated with chloroquine recovered within five days,.

This was Dr. Raoult’s second successful treatment against the coronavirus.

Link

Raoults the same guy with the small peer reviewed study from about 3 weeks to a month ago, maybe even a bit longer.
Had an A. Group, a B. Group and a C. Control group.

Supposed to be the No. 1 infectious disease Doc in France, perhaps the world.

Why were sitting around waiting on our Fed bureaucracy while people die is just baffling.

Who gives a schit? If ima die, give me 40,000 milligrams of vitamin C, D and G and two grams of coke and edibles if you think it would help.

A 70 YO malaria drug and a Z-pack?!? I’ve done far worse in a single weekend...

(03-30-2020 07:01 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 11:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 09:36 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  how this hasn't been fast-tracked for those willing in critical/terminal over a certain age in the U.S. is beyond mind-numbing....

@nothingToLose

I don't know why they are crediting the French when the Aussies came up with it a week ago. Chloroquine and Azithromycin was the cocktail that was working so well when the pandemic hit down under. It seems to be working well everywhere.

But there's a catch. Both are long standing drugs and won't be a bonanza for the Pharma companies. Hence the delay.

Sometimes those Bush Doctors who simply try everything until they find something that works need to be heard and believed as opposed to pharmaceutical Reps.

Just saying!

The other consideration I'm betting that is in play is that because it's generally a malaria drug, there probably is't a whole lot of it in the US and I doubt we have much made here making the ability to surge production will be tough.

Again......we've outsourced our medical manufacturing to other countries.....

Bayer Co was donating 2-3 million freebies a couple/few weeks ago. Another Co in Israel (Taiva or something)!was donating something like 10 million doses within the last 2weeks.
Donating. Free.

NO reason this isn’t in widespread FREE use right now.

I just don’t get it, other than bureaucrats gonna bureaucrat.

“Double blind, wide spread control group testing”, that’ll only be about a year to 18 months.

Uhhh, no d!ckheads, get it out there NOW!

Rumor also is that Drs, pharmacists, techs and etc have been prescribing it, buying it, hoarding it for family and friends to stash aside in case.

That too should be criminal activity

(03-30-2020 07:18 AM)Wade Holt Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 11:24 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Trump was right again, his instincts are impeccable.

Whitmer should resign in disgrace tomorrow morning at 8am. What a loser.

Hmm..I recalled just a few weeks ago Trump said we only had about 15 cases which he predicted would go down to zero. Fast forward to yesterday and now he's saying 100-200k "deaths" would be a "very good job" if they held it to that amount.

It seems Trump almost exclusively goes on his instincts and largely ignores advice from professionals. Thus we're in the sh*% storm we reside today.

A “few weeks ago” being something close to 3 months?

That was correct at the time. Then the boats loaded with chinese flu infected people and those allowed to leave Wuhan with full knowledge of the commie govt showed up.

Schit spreads quick if allowed to just “go”.

(03-30-2020 07:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-29-2020 09:29 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  This was Dr. Raoult’s second successful treatment against the coronavirus.

About this guy...

Quote:But no one should mistake his scientific stature: he has discovered new pathogenic organisms that have been named after him. He is a highly respected and prolific researcher.

This makes his current position all the odder. On the basis of some laboratory evidence and a single poorly controlled study with a small number of subjects and a large number of defects, he has announced to the world that, combined with large-scale diagnostic testing, his drug regime is the solution to the epidemic.

I watched a short lecture that he gave in Marseille, available on YouTube. He drew a contrast between the ineffective response to epidemics in Marseille in the past (in 1720, the city was host to the last epidemic of bubonic plague in Europe) and the effective way that the AIDS epidemic was halted more recently—the former with isolation and quarantine, the latter with diagnosis and treatment, which, he believes, is the model for today as well.

The analogy he drew between AIDS and Covid-19 seemed to me indicative of loose thinking. The differences between the epidemics are too obvious to need enumeration. But does the legal principle applied to witnesses (abandoned, however, in most but not all jurisdictions) of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus—false in one thing, false in all—apply to a scientist such as Raoult? Clearly not.

The defects of the trial of his drug regime to cure the illness caused by Covid-19, however, are numerous and attracted immediate criticism from scientists. Whether the untreated control patients, in Nice rather than in Marseille, where he works, were matched properly with the treated patients and were therefore true controls, is uncertain. The statistical analysis maximized the benefits—that is, it was on a per-protocol, rather than intention-to-treat, basis.

The two methods of analysis can yield quite different results. Per-protocol analysis looks at the results of those patients who take the treatment as planned. Intention-to-treat analysis looks at the results of all the patents initially selected for treatment, whether or not they complete the treatment, and for whatever reason—including death or intolerable side effects—that they may fail to do so. Obviously, it is easier to obtain a good result with the former method than the latter, though both methods have their place. But to claim potential victory over an epidemic on the basis of a single small trial, whose results have been analysed per-protocol (and even then, in controversial fashion), is premature to say the least.

https://www.city-journal.org/covid-19-tr...ier-raoult

Uh. Ok.

Go read that study. I have.

Not someone second guessing said study, or their “take” on the study. Go read it.

Small? Yes, no doubt. Compelling? Yes too. No doubt.

This isn’t some carnival barker stooge.

Sorry that offends the more gentle sensibilities. People are dying, no time for bureaucrateez.

Right on cue, the leftists are arriving to downplay this possible treatment. They want as many dead Americans as possible. Truly despicable people.

Maybe, just maybe, it's time to quit listening to all the "experts" and start using some common sense.

If it truly cured 78 out of 80, then I really don't give a rat's ass whether proper protocols were followed or not. It's worth trying.

Let me put it this way. If I were dying of CV-19, then I would do everything in my power to get the chloroquine/z-pack combo. So would you, if you have any sense.