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RE: AAC Conference Basketball
Here is a link that allows you to run different scenarios and what the outcome would be seeding wise.

http://bball.notnothing.net/aac.php?sport=mbb

I'm predicting victories for UC, SMU, UCF, Houston, UConn and Wichita. If this scenario plays out the final standings would be:



1. Cincinnati (13 - 5) Defeated Houston and Tulsa based on round-robin record (2-1).
2. Houston (13 - 5) Defeated Tulsa and lost to Cincinnati based on round-robin record (2-2).
3. Tulsa (13 - 5) Lost to Cincinnati and Houston based on round-robin record (1-2).
4. Wichita St (11 - 7)
5. SMU (10 - 8) Defeated UConn and Memphis based on round-robin record (3-0).
6. UConn (10 - 8) Defeated Memphis and lost to SMU based on round-robin record (1-2).
7. Memphis (10 - 8) Lost to SMU and UConn based on round-robin record (1-3).
8. UCF (7 - 11)
9. USF (6 - 12) Defeated Temple based on head-to-head record (1-0).
10. Temple (6 - 12) Lost to USF based on head-to-head record (0-1).
11. ECU (5 - 13)
12. Tulane (4 - 14)
 
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(03-06-2020 10:53 AM)TheShoeFits Wrote:  Here is a link that allows you to run different scenarios and what the outcome would be seeding wise.

http://bball.notnothing.net/aac.php?sport=mbb

I'm predicting victories for UC, SMU, UCF, Houston, UConn and Wichita. If this scenario plays out the final standings would be:



1. Cincinnati (13 - 5) Defeated Houston and Tulsa based on round-robin record (2-1).
2. Houston (13 - 5) Defeated Tulsa and lost to Cincinnati based on round-robin record (2-2).
3. Tulsa (13 - 5) Lost to Cincinnati and Houston based on round-robin record (1-2).
4. Wichita St (11 - 7)
5. SMU (10 - 8) Defeated UConn and Memphis based on round-robin record (3-0).
6. UConn (10 - 8) Defeated Memphis and lost to SMU based on round-robin record (1-2).
7. Memphis (10 - 8) Lost to SMU and UConn based on round-robin record (1-3).
8. UCF (7 - 11)
9. USF (6 - 12) Defeated Temple based on head-to-head record (1-0).
10. Temple (6 - 12) Lost to USF based on head-to-head record (0-1).
11. ECU (5 - 13)
12. Tulane (4 - 14)

Houston, UConn, Memphis, and Tulsa all on the other side of the bracket? Sign me up.
 
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(03-13-2020 10:12 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Maybe they don't like his wife!

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3-4 Wichita State players, couple of which were key contributors just hit the transfer portal. The shine has really worn off of Greg Marshal.

Kendrick Davis and his 14 points per game just failed out of SMU.

Shaping up to be an interesting AAC offseason already.
 
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(03-14-2020 04:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  3-4 Wichita State players, couple of which were key contributors just hit the transfer portal. The shine has really worn off of Greg Marshal.

Kendrick Davis and his 14 points per game just failed out of SMU.

Shaping up to be an interesting AAC offseason already.

Curious and I'm wondering if there is more to come on this storyline? A weak WSU might help UC win more easily next year but certainly doesn't help the conference profile. Early indications are Houston will be terrific but the bloom may be off the rose at Memphis, especially if sanctions are imposed. And with a major brand out the door with UCONN, is there an emergent power to put some energy in AAC bball?
 
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My guess is he's got to take a lot more gambles as far as getting players to compete now that they've moved up in schedule strength and competition. It's an interesting dynamic, but i have a close friend who is an ex head coach(not here locally), and he has always told me that moving up in conferences et. al can be very tricky. Teams succeed often with a formula which includes developing four year guys who were never the cream of the crop. They change the dynamic of the environment(like conference, etc) and they go away from what got them there. I also have a buddy who is an X grad, and he espouses the same thing with their current situation. Unless your Uk, Duke etc., you have to get the majority of your kids to develop and stay for 3 or 4 years, otherwise you really lose your identity and formula if you want to win annually or close to it.
 
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(03-14-2020 09:50 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(03-14-2020 04:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  3-4 Wichita State players, couple of which were key contributors just hit the transfer portal. The shine has really worn off of Greg Marshal.

Kendrick Davis and his 14 points per game just failed out of SMU.

Shaping up to be an interesting AAC offseason already.

Curious and I'm wondering if there is more to come on this storyline? A weak WSU might help UC win more easily next year but certainly doesn't help the conference profile. Early indications are Houston will be terrific but the bloom may be off the rose at Memphis, especially if sanctions are imposed. And with a major brand out the door with UCONN, is there an emergent power to put some energy in AAC bball?

It’s up to 5 now (one was a walk on). Their 3 pt specialist is one. He did an interview and said it was because he and Marshall didn’t like each other and he wanted to find a different school where he could have a positive relationship with the HC.
 
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(03-14-2020 02:00 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(03-14-2020 09:50 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(03-14-2020 04:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  3-4 Wichita State players, couple of which were key contributors just hit the transfer portal. The shine has really worn off of Greg Marshal.

Kendrick Davis and his 14 points per game just failed out of SMU.

Shaping up to be an interesting AAC offseason already.

Curious and I'm wondering if there is more to come on this storyline? A weak WSU might help UC win more easily next year but certainly doesn't help the conference profile. Early indications are Houston will be terrific but the bloom may be off the rose at Memphis, especially if sanctions are imposed. And with a major brand out the door with UCONN, is there an emergent power to put some energy in AAC bball?

It’s up to 5 now (one was a walk on). Their 3 pt specialist is one. He did an interview and said it was because he and Marshall didn’t like each other and he wanted to find a different school where he could have a positive relationship with the HC.

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That's so bizarre. Say what you will about Marshall but he's a top flight coach that has made a final four and finished a regular season undefeated. Crazy that players can't stand him. I wonder if the move to the AAC has flustered him a bit and he's not reacting well to losing.

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(03-19-2020 11:21 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  That's so bizarre. Say what you will about Marshall but he's a top flight coach that has made a final four and finished a regular season undefeated. Crazy that players can't stand him. I wonder if the move to the AAC has flustered him a bit and he's not reacting well to losing.

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Kid seem to think he’s a Richard Cranium.
 
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(03-19-2020 11:21 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  That's so bizarre. Say what you will about Marshall but he's a top flight coach that has made a final four and finished a regular season undefeated. Crazy that players can't stand him. I wonder if the move to the AAC has flustered him a bit and he's not reacting well to losing.

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During the game at home we played them I gained a greater appreciation for Greg Marshall and his staff. He rolled with the punches from the fans and interacted with them. Even his son and the rest of the staff commented on what was happening in game and during time outs.

I think my two favorite interactions were:

1. The refs had just called a couple of fouls on Wichita St and Marshall started giving tv Ted some lip. Ted told him enough and someone yelled at Marshall “you’re not at home don’t expect to get those calls on the road.” Marshall replied”no wonder you guys never lose at home.” Funny because we lost to ucf the previous game at home. Then we missed the front end of the foul shot and Marshall turns to the crowd and said “see there are basketball gods.”

2. At the end of the game there was a time out with maybe 10 seconds left. The ran a terrible play and gave us the ball back. Someone said to Marshall’s sons, “that’s the best play you guys came up with?” He replied “not even close they have to run the right play and execute.”

I appreciated the interaction and made it a terrific in game experience.
 
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He sounds like that old poor excuse of a coach Memphis State used to have. Dana Kirk, I believe. Always let himself get distracted by our fans (of course, in those days the students sat right behind the opposing bench).
 
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Stevenson says...

Quote:One day after Wichita State men’s basketball fans were shocked when the season ended abruptly, they were stunned again on Friday when news surfaced that four scholarship players, Erik Stevenson and Jamarius Burton among them, were transferring from the program.

By the end of Friday, a third of the returning scholarship players — Stevenson, Burton, Noah Fernandes and DeAntoni Gordon — and a walk-on, Tate Busse, announced they plan to leave WSU. VerbalCommits and ESPN’s Jeff Borzello were the first to report the transfers.

In an exclusive interview with The Eagle, Stevenson opened up about what led to his decision to transfer from Wichita State.

“Coach (Gregg Marshall) and I didn’t have a great relationship,” Stevenson said. “Obviously we didn’t mesh. That’s probably the biggest reason why I’m leaving. I’ve got to find a better relationship and a better situation.”

Stevenson was WSU’s best player during its 15-1 start to the season when he was averaging better than 14 points per game and the Shockers ascended to as high as No. 16 in the national rankings.

But Stevenson’s performance took a dip and the confidence that had made him such an effective player early in the season vanished. For many games down the stretch, Stevenson played unsure of himself — a shell of the dynamite scorer that he had been. He had more scoreless outings (two) than 20-point games (one) in the final 15 games, in which WSU went 8-7.

Stevenson said the drastic change in his confidence on the court was the result of a deteriorating relationship with the WSU’s coaching staff. Stevenson said he was speaking of his own experience and he did not want to speak for the other three scholarship players who announced on Friday they were also leaving WSU.

“I felt like I showed what I could do at the highest level,” Stevenson said. “When I had the confidence from Coach (Marshall) and the staff and I wasn’t looking over my shoulder after every mistake, I was the leader of the team and we were winning games and winning by big margins.

“But when the confidence from the staff went away and the one-mistake, come-out rule went into place, that’s when things started to go downhill. I think the former players know exactly what I’m talking about.”

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Quote:In his first public comments since the exodus, Marshall told The Eagle in an exclusive interview that he takes ownership of the inner-squad problems and has to “learn and adapt.” He spoke Wednesday night after five of the transfers, but before Udeze made plans to leave on Thursday.

“What I’ve got to do is reevaluate what we’re doing because I dealt with things this year that I’ve never dealt with in 35 years of coaching,” Marshall said. “I encountered things this year and had to deal with things that I’ve never dealt with.

“I had to learn. I’ve got to get better. I’ve got to adapt. But I’ve been doing that my whole career. We’ve got to learn from this and try to adapt a little better and improve.”

Any time multiple athletes leave a program at once, concerns are raised about the overall health of the program. WSU athletic director Darron Boatright told The Eagle that he has reached out to the coaching staff, the players leaving and the players staying to hear all sides of the story.

After initial conversations, Boatright remains confident in Marshall’s ability to lead the program.

“We are responsible to adapt along with the young people and I’m very confident in Gregg’s ability to continue to lead our program and will support him as much as possible,” Boatright said. “But I also think we’ll challenge each other through this to adapt and make sure we’re providing the right tools and the right things collectively for the experience to be the best it can be.”

Although six players leaving in one offseason is the largest turnover of the Marshall era, significant turnover is becoming increasingly more common in college basketball. Last season, 59 programs (17% of all Division I) had at least five players transfer, according to VerbalCommits.

But what has many WSU fans concerned is the number of good, young players leaving.

Before this last week, Marshall had only lost one significant building block (Austin Reaves in 2018) to a transfer. Of course, that changed when Burton, Stevenson and Sherfield decided to leave despite all playing at least 24 minutes per game and combining for 57 starts this past season.

“Of course you don’t want to see that many guys leave at once, but you also don’t want to see that many guys stay that are unhappy with their role,” Marshall said. “You’re saying those guys played 24 minutes a game, but what I’m telling you is that’s not enough. They weren’t pleased with that. My job is to try to win and their job is to try to play as much as they can.”

Marshall said he made a mistake in his roster construction, a problem that originated in the 2018 offseason when WSU graduated six seniors, Landry Shamet declared early for the NBA Draft, Reaves was a surprise transfer and C.J. Keyser was ruled academically ineligible. That forced Marshall and his staff to fill nine scholarships in one offseason.

After hitting on three guards — Burton, Stevenson and Dexter Dennis — in the 2018 recruiting class, Marshall followed that up by signing three more highly touted freshmen in the 2019 recruiting class: Sherfield, Fernandes and Tyson Etienne.

It was the most talented depth Marshall had ever assembled in a backcourt, which he thought would be a team strength. Instead, it became the biggest issue for the team. In trying to satisfy all of three of his point guards, Marshall in turn fully satisfied none, which led to Burton, Sherfield and Fernandes pursuing opportunities to be full-time point guards elsewhere.

“There was some inherent competition there,” Marshall said. “Maybe the sophomores thought they had done something when they made the run last year in the NIT and then all of a sudden these highly touted freshmen come in. It was very difficult to keep everyone happy.

“I didn’t do a very good job of managing the personalities. We basically had 13 starters. We had a lot of really, really good players. But you can’t play that many, so no one was happy.”

The departures have made Marshall reevaluate a lot of things, but the way that he coaches in practices and in games is not one. He countered that even with WSU’s problems this season, the team still won 23 games without playing in a postseason game. But he did say he has to do a better job of maintaining the culture within the program.

“I don’t think coaching side of it was the problem, it was not being able to manage the personalities and having too many guys for one role,” Marshall said. “We have been successful here in the past by recruiting young people that wanted to be a part of something special, and a part of something that’s maybe bigger than themselves. And that’s what I’ve got to get back to.

“I’ve got to get back to getting guys that want to come in and be coached and be developed on and off the court and win. That’s something maybe we’ve gotten away from a little bit and we’ve got to do a better job.”

Marshall has also seen the Twitter rumors that he is on the brink of accepting a head coaching job elsewhere, which is why the players are leaving.

“If I was leaving, I wouldn’t be grinding on these recruiting calls 24 hours a day,” Marshall said from in his home in east Wichita, which has become the de facto program headquarters with assistants watching film and calling recruits at all hours of the day. “We’re working hard to get our roster back. And I love the nucleus that we have coming back, I really do.”

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(03-14-2020 04:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  3-4 Wichita State players, couple of which were key contributors just hit the transfer portal. The shine has really worn off of Greg Marshal.

Kendrick Davis and his 14 points per game just failed out of SMU.

Shaping up to be an interesting AAC offseason already.

Where did you see the Kendric Davis news? I cant find anything
 
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(03-19-2020 06:21 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-19-2020 11:21 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  That's so bizarre. Say what you will about Marshall but he's a top flight coach that has made a final four and finished a regular season undefeated. Crazy that players can't stand him. I wonder if the move to the AAC has flustered him a bit and he's not reacting well to losing.

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No, the players generally dont like him. Its all over their message boards
 
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(03-20-2020 06:53 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  
(03-14-2020 04:18 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  3-4 Wichita State players, couple of which were key contributors just hit the transfer portal. The shine has really worn off of Greg Marshal.

Kendrick Davis and his 14 points per game just failed out of SMU.

Shaping up to be an interesting AAC offseason already.

Where did you see the Kendric Davis news? I cant find anything

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/smu-mu...nba-draft/

All I'm seeing is a few weeks ago their local newspaper claimed he was going to start making money.. Either way it sounds like he's gone.
 
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