(03-04-2020 09:39 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:10 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Where is our resident doe eyed Bernie enthusiast to wax poetic about last night’s results?

Right here. The establishment of the DNC won this battle, Trump will win a Mondale level landslide, and this is what the DNC leadership deserves.

Main thing I was wrong about is I thought the DNC was as inept as they are corrupt. They are inept at everything, except when it comes to rallying to attempt to save their seats at the levers of power. They did that with an amazing level of coordination and quickly. Oh well **** them.

Trump will not win on a landslide level. The race will come down to the same handful of states it came down to last time... Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida & Pennsylvania.

The idea of the DNC steering the race to Biden is silly. Biden was underfunded and had no ground game. If he was the choice of the DNC, they certainly weren’t channeling money and support to him. The bottom line is the South Carolina proved Biden could win the nomination and those folks on the fence rallied around him. The party is still not ready for a democratic socialist or a self-funded billionaire to head the ticket, and the moderates largely rallied around him. Blacks and suburban, college educated women overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Bernie... and 18-29 again did not show up.

LOL if you think the coordination of Obama calling up CIA Pete and everyone quitting and the MSM praise isn't all that then you are just blind, stupid or both. All of a sudden people who a week ago were ready to fight to a contested convention dropped out within hours of each other. Yep nothing to see there at all.

Pete and Klob got promises. Of course, the only thing Klob did was shift her delegates in MN to Biden. She was a non-factor everywhere else. Petey's 10% made a difference.

(03-04-2020 09:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  But MN, NV, NM, CO, VA, NH, ME could all go Trump. Maybe even NJ and IL.

I think MN will go Trump this time and that may even me what wins it for him if the Dems focus on WI, MI, and PA. Biden will be formidable in those 3 states.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020...eback.html


"...Those wins, if not those margins, weren’t terrible surprises going into the day. Nor were wins, if not the margins, in Tennessee, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arkansas. Two other wins, though, were complete shocks. Biden won Minnesota, considered a toss-up between Amy Klobuchar and Bernie Sanders all the way back on Monday morning. He also won Massachusetts, a state home to one senator in the race and bordering the home state of another’s. That race, as of Tuesday night, was considered a toss-up between those other local senators, Elizabeth Warren and Sanders. Biden, as of this writing, is holding onto a narrow lead in Maine. He didn’t campaign, or advertise, or organize, in any meaningful way or in no way at all, in many of these states. Super Tuesday was as bad a night for “campaigning” as it was a good night for the value of earned media...."

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:10 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Where is our resident doe eyed Bernie enthusiast to wax poetic about last night’s results?

Right here. The establishment of the DNC won this battle, Trump will win a Mondale level landslide, and this is what the DNC leadership deserves.

Main thing I was wrong about is I thought the DNC was as inept as they are corrupt. They are inept at everything, except when it comes to rallying to attempt to save their seats at the levers of power. They did that with an amazing level of coordination and quickly. Oh well **** them.

Trump will not win on a landslide level. The race will come down to the same handful of states it came down to last time... Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida & Pennsylvania.

The idea of the DNC steering the race to Biden is silly. Biden was underfunded and had no ground game. If he was the choice of the DNC, they certainly weren’t channeling money and support to him. The bottom line is the South Carolina proved Biden could win the nomination and those folks on the fence rallied around him. The party is still not ready for a democratic socialist or a self-funded billionaire to head the ticket, and the moderates largely rallied around him. Blacks and suburban, college educated women overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Bernie... and 18-29 again did not show up.

I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

It's OK, Bernie. You're still a millionaire with 3 houses. You just don't get the honor of having Trump wipe his ass with you in November.

I'm sure plenty of your supporters will do you proud and destroy a bunch of property in the coming months.

(03-04-2020 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:10 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Where is our resident doe eyed Bernie enthusiast to wax poetic about last night’s results?

Right here. The establishment of the DNC won this battle, Trump will win a Mondale level landslide, and this is what the DNC leadership deserves.

Main thing I was wrong about is I thought the DNC was as inept as they are corrupt. They are inept at everything, except when it comes to rallying to attempt to save their seats at the levers of power. They did that with an amazing level of coordination and quickly. Oh well **** them.

Trump will not win on a landslide level. The race will come down to the same handful of states it came down to last time... Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida & Pennsylvania.

The idea of the DNC steering the race to Biden is silly. Biden was underfunded and had no ground game. If he was the choice of the DNC, they certainly weren’t channeling money and support to him. The bottom line is the South Carolina proved Biden could win the nomination and those folks on the fence rallied around him. The party is still not ready for a democratic socialist or a self-funded billionaire to head the ticket, and the moderates largely rallied around him. Blacks and suburban, college educated women overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Bernie... and 18-29 again did not show up.

I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:10 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Right here. The establishment of the DNC won this battle, Trump will win a Mondale level landslide, and this is what the DNC leadership deserves.

Main thing I was wrong about is I thought the DNC was as inept as they are corrupt. They are inept at everything, except when it comes to rallying to attempt to save their seats at the levers of power. They did that with an amazing level of coordination and quickly. Oh well **** them.

Trump will not win on a landslide level. The race will come down to the same handful of states it came down to last time... Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida & Pennsylvania.

The idea of the DNC steering the race to Biden is silly. Biden was underfunded and had no ground game. If he was the choice of the DNC, they certainly weren’t channeling money and support to him. The bottom line is the South Carolina proved Biden could win the nomination and those folks on the fence rallied around him. The party is still not ready for a democratic socialist or a self-funded billionaire to head the ticket, and the moderates largely rallied around him. Blacks and suburban, college educated women overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Bernie... and 18-29 again did not show up.

I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

You mean you could potentially swallow your pride and vote for 4 more years of excellent GDP growth, job creation, energy independence, and the reduction of people from the government dole? How noble of you.

(03-04-2020 10:07 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:10 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump will not win on a landslide level. The race will come down to the same handful of states it came down to last time... Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida & Pennsylvania.

The idea of the DNC steering the race to Biden is silly. Biden was underfunded and had no ground game. If he was the choice of the DNC, they certainly weren’t channeling money and support to him. The bottom line is the South Carolina proved Biden could win the nomination and those folks on the fence rallied around him. The party is still not ready for a democratic socialist or a self-funded billionaire to head the ticket, and the moderates largely rallied around him. Blacks and suburban, college educated women overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Bernie... and 18-29 again did not show up.

I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

You mean you could potentially swallow your pride and vote for 4 more years of excellent GDP growth, job creation, energy independence, and the reduction of people from the government dole? How noble of you.

Among a whole bunch of other things that I find vile and evil and you probably like, but sure at this point killing the DNC is all that matters. That institution has to be given the Ole Yeller treatment for the good of democracy.

(03-04-2020 08:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well stink looks like we won't have a sig bet and Trump's gonna win a LANDSLIDE victory. I'll enjoy watching Trump land all the body blows on Slow Joe that the MSM did their best to hide. Being the biggest advocate for cutting SS and Medicare of anyone in the Senate, supporting segregationist, voting for the war in Iraq, supporting every awful trade deal, being senile, etc. This will be a cake walk. Hope there is an interesting Libertarian candidate who can make a real run at 5%.

https://theweek.com/articles/899790/anyb...e-comeback
DNC takes risk with Biden:

"...Biden also has particular risks that are not easily quantifiable but still obvious. He has run a horrible, lazy campaign — indeed, even Clyburn said as much while endorsing him. He had basically no ground game in any of the Super Tuesday states. He has a long history of being creepy with women. And let's be frank: Biden is clearly suffering some kind of cognitive decline. He performed horribly in almost all of the debates, frequently rambling off on bizarre tangents. He opened his speech Tuesday night by mixing up his wife and his sister. He also has a habit of making up fake stories — like that he was involved in civil rights protests, or that a general asked him to honor a brave soldier, or most recently, he was arrested in South Africa trying to visit Nelson Mandela. None of these things happened.

Biden's appalling record is also utterly at odds with the modern Democratic Party's branding. He voted for the Iraq War, and defended that vote for months afterwards. He was a key architect of the bankruptcy bill that made it impossible to get rid of student loan debt, and various crime and war on drugs bills that threw millions of Americans in prison. He tried repeatedly to cut Social Security and Medicare, and voted for multiple rounds of financial deregulation. (That is just scratching the surface.)..."

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:10 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Right here. The establishment of the DNC won this battle, Trump will win a Mondale level landslide, and this is what the DNC leadership deserves.

Main thing I was wrong about is I thought the DNC was as inept as they are corrupt. They are inept at everything, except when it comes to rallying to attempt to save their seats at the levers of power. They did that with an amazing level of coordination and quickly. Oh well **** them.

Trump will not win on a landslide level. The race will come down to the same handful of states it came down to last time... Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida & Pennsylvania.

The idea of the DNC steering the race to Biden is silly. Biden was underfunded and had no ground game. If he was the choice of the DNC, they certainly weren’t channeling money and support to him. The bottom line is the South Carolina proved Biden could win the nomination and those folks on the fence rallied around him. The party is still not ready for a democratic socialist or a self-funded billionaire to head the ticket, and the moderates largely rallied around him. Blacks and suburban, college educated women overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Bernie... and 18-29 again did not show up.

I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

#you'reNotAlone

he's easily muh mo' buttered 'corn' than the bern would have been in a one-on-one debate....DJT will wax and mop the floor with that tomfoolery...

I simply say, "thank you, Perez and dems!"

addendum: buh bye bloomie....

And Bloomberg has dropped out. Watch Warren hang till the end though like the absolute scum she's proven to be.

(03-04-2020 10:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well stink looks like we won't have a sig bet and Trump's gonna win a LANDSLIDE victory. I'll enjoy watching Trump land all the body blows on Slow Joe that the MSM did their best to hide. Being the biggest advocate for cutting SS and Medicare of anyone in the Senate, supporting segregationist, voting for the war in Iraq, supporting every awful trade deal, being senile, etc. This will be a cake walk. Hope there is an interesting Libertarian candidate who can make a real run at 5%.

https://theweek.com/articles/899790/anyb...e-comeback
DNC takes risk with Biden:

"...Biden also has particular risks that are not easily quantifiable but still obvious. He has run a horrible, lazy campaign — indeed, even Clyburn said as much while endorsing him. He had basically no ground game in any of the Super Tuesday states. He has a long history of being creepy with women. And let's be frank: Biden is clearly suffering some kind of cognitive decline. He performed horribly in almost all of the debates, frequently rambling off on bizarre tangents. He opened his speech Tuesday night by mixing up his wife and his sister. He also has a habit of making up fake stories — like that he was involved in civil rights protests, or that a general asked him to honor a brave soldier, or most recently, he was arrested in South Africa trying to visit Nelson Mandela. None of these things happened.

Biden's appalling record is also utterly at odds with the modern Democratic Party's branding. He voted for the Iraq War, and defended that vote for months afterwards. He was a key architect of the bankruptcy bill that made it impossible to get rid of student loan debt, and various crime and war on drugs bills that threw millions of Americans in prison. He tried repeatedly to cut Social Security and Medicare, and voted for multiple rounds of financial deregulation. (That is just scratching the surface.)..."

Oh they have 100% decided losing to Trump is better than Bernie winning, so I'm gonna help them get their wish. He's gonna get skull drug in debates by Trump, and I will laugh and enjoy it.

And the Oligarch endorses Biden. Making me not even feel slightly guilty this time.

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:10 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 08:57 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Right here. The establishment of the DNC won this battle, Trump will win a Mondale level landslide, and this is what the DNC leadership deserves.

Main thing I was wrong about is I thought the DNC was as inept as they are corrupt. They are inept at everything, except when it comes to rallying to attempt to save their seats at the levers of power. They did that with an amazing level of coordination and quickly. Oh well **** them.

Trump will not win on a landslide level. The race will come down to the same handful of states it came down to last time... Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida & Pennsylvania.

The idea of the DNC steering the race to Biden is silly. Biden was underfunded and had no ground game. If he was the choice of the DNC, they certainly weren’t channeling money and support to him. The bottom line is the South Carolina proved Biden could win the nomination and those folks on the fence rallied around him. The party is still not ready for a democratic socialist or a self-funded billionaire to head the ticket, and the moderates largely rallied around him. Blacks and suburban, college educated women overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Bernie... and 18-29 again did not show up.

I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

Trump has shown, competence is not a prerequisite for holding the office, and right now, just being someone other than Trump will turn out record numbers of suburban women and minorities. The issue for Bernie is his base is not turning out in the same numbers as they did in 2016. Bernie lost Minnesota, he lost Oklahoma and he is likely to lose Maine... all states he carried in 2016... even with Michael Bloomberg peeling off moderate votes. Bernie’s best chance was 4-5 candidates vying for the middle leaving him to spar only with Warren, and that changed this week.

(03-04-2020 10:15 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  And Bloomberg has dropped out. Watch Warren hang till the end though like the absolute scum she's proven to be.

Until there is no more money to spend she will stay. Why would she want or allow her money redistributed to other democrats for her by others..... That is against everything she stands for

(03-04-2020 10:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:10 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump will not win on a landslide level. The race will come down to the same handful of states it came down to last time... Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida & Pennsylvania.

The idea of the DNC steering the race to Biden is silly. Biden was underfunded and had no ground game. If he was the choice of the DNC, they certainly weren’t channeling money and support to him. The bottom line is the South Carolina proved Biden could win the nomination and those folks on the fence rallied around him. The party is still not ready for a democratic socialist or a self-funded billionaire to head the ticket, and the moderates largely rallied around him. Blacks and suburban, college educated women overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Bernie... and 18-29 again did not show up.

I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

Trump has shown, competence is not a prerequisite for holding the office, and right now, just being someone other than Trump will turn out record numbers of suburban women and minorities.

What is it like living in the fantasy world you live in?

(03-04-2020 11:11 AM)TigersOhMy Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

Trump has shown, competence is not a prerequisite for holding the office, and right now, just being someone other than Trump will turn out record numbers of suburban women and minorities.

What is it like living in the fantasy world you live in?

it's a and a .....

(03-04-2020 10:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:10 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump will not win on a landslide level. The race will come down to the same handful of states it came down to last time... Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida & Pennsylvania.

The idea of the DNC steering the race to Biden is silly. Biden was underfunded and had no ground game. If he was the choice of the DNC, they certainly weren’t channeling money and support to him. The bottom line is the South Carolina proved Biden could win the nomination and those folks on the fence rallied around him. The party is still not ready for a democratic socialist or a self-funded billionaire to head the ticket, and the moderates largely rallied around him. Blacks and suburban, college educated women overwhelmingly preferred Biden to Bernie... and 18-29 again did not show up.

I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

Trump has shown, competence is not a prerequisite for holding the office, and right now, just being someone other than Trump will turn out record numbers of suburban women and minorities. The issue for Bernie is his base is not turning out in the same numbers as they did in 2016. Bernie lost Minnesota, he lost Oklahoma and he is likely to lose Maine... all states he carried in 2016... even with Michael Bloomberg peeling off moderate votes. Bernie’s best chance was 4-5 candidates vying for the middle leaving him to spar only with Warren, and that changed this week.

If you really think the massive Latino base Bernie built is gonna just turn out for Biden you are in for a pretty rude awakening. If you think young people are gonna just fall in line you are crazy. Biden can't beat Trump on black vote and old people alone. Now yes if he could get the Bernie people in line he could easily win, but it's not happening.

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

I'm a Bernie Sanders fan too, and I get your frustration. But you can't just throw it all away just because you didn't get what you wanted. The only thing the DNC and the "establishment" is guilty of this time is clearing out some of the competition for the more moderate candidates. I believe they put pressure on Buttigieg and Klobushar to drop out prior to Super Tuesday.... but judging from yesterday's results, the votes aren't there for a left-wing candidate.

If Biden ends up with enough delegates prior to the convention, all democrats need to unite behind him, as unsavory as an idea that might be.

You'd seriously consider voting Trump over Biden? Trump would have an additional four years to put right wing judges in place all over the country, plus one or two extra supreme court justices. We all know there's a good chance RBG won't last another 4 years.... So that means we'll have a conservative dominated supreme court for a generation.... Four more years of eroding laws put in place to protect the environment. Four more years of making a fool of our country on an international stage. Four more years of pushing policies that punish our most vulnerable people living in this country? Is that worth burning it all down? Really?

Early exit polls are showing that only 13% of the people who showed up to vote yesterday were between the ages of 18-29.

Here's a breakdown of the age demographics that showed up yesterday:



Did the DNC send mercenaries to physically prevent Bernie supporters from voting? No.... unfortunately, the age group Bernie relied on to get him through this primary didn't show up yesterday for reasons that aren't the fault of the DNC.

With all that said, I still intend to cast my ballot for Bernie Sanders on April 28th in Maryland, but I'm fully prepared to support whichever candidate surpasses that 1,991 delegate threshold, whether that be Bernie or Biden. It's not all over for Sanders yet.

(03-04-2020 11:18 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:04 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 09:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I beg to differ.. The blue candidate will probably win big in NY, NJ, and California as per tradition the last few years.

I would venture to say it'll be a tight race in PA with Biden being a native son, but Trump will win. If it's Bernie, Trump wins no problem.

Michigan will be tight.. Wisconsin will be red no questions.

Florida will be red no questions.

We said this in 2016, this could've been the year the Dems could've charged their party with a young go getter.. There were a few.. Yang.. Mayor Pete.. Tulsi..

But the party that says rich old white men shouldn't be president has 3 rich old white men and a fake Native American in the running right now.

Buckle up Mensa.. The next 4 years are gonna be fun bud.

We’ll see.
Joe is not Hillary... his likability numbers are much higher; and suburban women have consistently broken for the Democrats in midterms and special elections. Likewise, Democrats were lulled into a false sense of inevitability in 2016... and that won’t be the case in 2020. Beating an incumbent is always difficult, but Trump is beatable.

He's not Hillary, because he's senile and a far less competent candidate. Also if you think the Bernie people staying home was bad in 16 it's gonna be nightmarish this year. Hell I'm contemplating just leaning in to the madness and voting Trump, a lot more seriously than I'm contemplating Biden.

Trump has shown, competence is not a prerequisite for holding the office, and right now, just being someone other than Trump will turn out record numbers of suburban women and minorities. The issue for Bernie is his base is not turning out in the same numbers as they did in 2016. Bernie lost Minnesota, he lost Oklahoma and he is likely to lose Maine... all states he carried in 2016... even with Michael Bloomberg peeling off moderate votes. Bernie’s best chance was 4-5 candidates vying for the middle leaving him to spar only with Warren, and that changed this week.

If you really think the massive Latino base Bernie built is gonna just turn out for Biden you are in for a pretty rude awakening. If you think young people are gonna just fall in line you are crazy. Biden can't beat Trump on black vote and old people alone. Now yes if he could get the Bernie people in line he could easily win, but it's not happening.

once again, dems woke the wrong mothertruckers....it works both ways....