(12-21-2019 11:23 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 11:14 AM)WhalerFan Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 10:31 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 08:27 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 06:26 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

Being that far north will become less of an issue as the income from the media deal continues to increase.

I really don't see the current contract running the full 12 years as is, too much will happen before then. This contract will be negotiated by 2026 one way or the other, it just won't stay as is for 12 years.

The only way it gets done early other than adding back the money for a 12th team is, if the $$ gets reduced. No way ESPN adds more $$ early.

(12-22-2019 09:49 AM)jwawker Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 01:16 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 12:11 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 11:28 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 11:14 AM)WhalerFan Wrote:  Not what I said. Temple will find out soon enough how being farthest from everyone else is

We have airports close by..

Temple is happy to be in an all sports conference. FB will never go Indy again.

Good luck, you'll need it.

Temple would absolutely look at independence if the AAC is eventually picked apart by expansion and they are one of the teams left behind.

UConn did not plan on independence, y’all wanted football to stay in the American. When we said no thanks, UConn applied to the MAC and CUSA who also said no thanks. Independent football is Plan D for the Huskies. Why would Temple do anything as self destructive?

Can you provide any links related to UConn's applying for MAC or CUSA football membership? This is news to me.

The official links for that are on the same site that has the official links stating that "Every MW members has declined invitation to AAC"... Everything there is "Official"

2 options for re-negativing the AAC deal; 1. Specific team(s) leave for another conference ($$ go down); 2. Some how the AAC is able to add 3 of the top options without losing any member(s) ($$ go up), both scenarios are very possible, although I believe 2 is more likely to happen.

(12-22-2019 01:27 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 09:49 AM)jwawker Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 01:16 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 12:11 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 11:28 AM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  We have airports close by..

Temple is happy to be in an all sports conference. FB will never go Indy again.

Good luck, you'll need it.

Temple would absolutely look at independence if the AAC is eventually picked apart by expansion and they are one of the teams left behind.

UConn did not plan on independence, y’all wanted football to stay in the American. When we said no thanks, UConn applied to the MAC and CUSA who also said no thanks. Independent football is Plan D for the Huskies. Why would Temple do anything as self destructive?

Can you provide any links related to UConn's applying for MAC or CUSA football membership? This is news to me.

The official links for that are on the same site that has the official links stating that "Every MW members has declined invitation to AAC"... Everything there is "Official"

"Applied" for membership was perhaps imprecise, since a school does not formally apply unless invited. But here's a link regarding conference disinterest in UConn football. Take it for what it is worth. https://fansided.com/2019/06/24/mac-conf...-football/

(12-23-2019 01:39 AM)Enriquillo Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:27 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 09:49 AM)jwawker Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 01:16 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 12:11 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  Temple would absolutely look at independence if the AAC is eventually picked apart by expansion and they are one of the teams left behind.

UConn did not plan on independence, y’all wanted football to stay in the American. When we said no thanks, UConn applied to the MAC and CUSA who also said no thanks. Independent football is Plan D for the Huskies. Why would Temple do anything as self destructive?

Can you provide any links related to UConn's applying for MAC or CUSA football membership? This is news to me.

The official links for that are on the same site that has the official links stating that "Every MW members has declined invitation to AAC"... Everything there is "Official"

"Applied" for membership was perhaps imprecise, since a school does not formally apply unless invited. But here's a link regarding conference disinterest in UConn football. Take it for what it is worth. https://fansided.com/2019/06/24/mac-conf...-football/

Come on. No MWC school will join CUSA 3.0
They took TCU from us before they were a BCS staple from 2004 on...
HAHAHAHAHA

(12-21-2019 09:42 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 08:55 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 12:34 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  We need to be proactive. The Big 12 sat back and waited and they are doing it again. If the AAC wants to stay afloat, then they need to kill off the MWC. Make it the only G5 worth bidding on and add members strong enough to increase our viewership (Air Force) and SOS (Boise St)... BYU would be best for the last spot but it isnt happening. Though I think we should try to nail down those two, and then ask one last time if BYU wants to join.

I tend to agree on being proactive, but that will require ESPN being willing to put out 5 to 7+ mil per year for each school added depending on whether it is FB only or all sports, and those schools being willing to come. I have real doubts ESPN is interested in forking out the cash for the schools listed.

Especially when they were only willing to pay them less than $2 million today. $6 million vs $21 million if they come to the aac as a 3 team combo.

I think ESPN will only want 1 team. Too bad we can't dump a team to do a combo of Boise and one of these Air Force/Colorado State/SDSU

ESPiN did not kill the ACC for not dropping poor football schools when adding OBE teams. If three MWC schools were to go to the AAC, ESPiN would pay the money required.

(12-23-2019 07:27 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 09:42 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 08:55 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 12:34 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  We need to be proactive. The Big 12 sat back and waited and they are doing it again. If the AAC wants to stay afloat, then they need to kill off the MWC. Make it the only G5 worth bidding on and add members strong enough to increase our viewership (Air Force) and SOS (Boise St)... BYU would be best for the last spot but it isnt happening. Though I think we should try to nail down those two, and then ask one last time if BYU wants to join.

I tend to agree on being proactive, but that will require ESPN being willing to put out 5 to 7+ mil per year for each school added depending on whether it is FB only or all sports, and those schools being willing to come. I have real doubts ESPN is interested in forking out the cash for the schools listed.

Especially when they were only willing to pay them less than $2 million today. $6 million vs $21 million if they come to the aac as a 3 team combo.

I think ESPN will only want 1 team. Too bad we can't dump a team to do a combo of Boise and one of these Air Force/Colorado State/SDSU

ESPiN did not kill the ACC for not dropping poor football schools when adding OBE teams. If three MWC schools were to go to the AAC, ESPiN would pay the money required.

There you go, I'm willing to bet that, for example, if we added Georgia State or Buffalo to replace UConn they would get UConn's full share... The UConn value to ESPiN was WBB and contend for ESPN+, either of Georgia State or Buffalo would fell that need very nicely.

UConn left out of fear that its fan base wouldn't be able to find ESPN+

(12-21-2019 12:11 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  Temple would absolutely look at independence if the AAC is eventually picked apart by expansion and they are one of the teams left behind.

The B12 tried to raid the AAC a few years ago. The B12 wanted to go back to 12. They probably would have taken Cincy, Memphis or Houston. That would have diluted the payouts to then-current B12 teams. When ESPN wouldn't buy in, the B12 aborted their expansion plans. That probably left a bad taste in the mouths of some schools who went through a lot of time, effort, and $$ to apply for the invitations the B12 offered.

Texas, Oklahoma, and a few others can raise their revenue by leaving the B12. If that happens, the AAC starts looking stronger than the remnants of the B12.

(12-23-2019 11:51 PM)Aargh Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 12:11 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  Temple would absolutely look at independence if the AAC is eventually picked apart by expansion and they are one of the teams left behind.

The B12 tried to raid the AAC a few years ago. The B12 wanted to go back to 12. They probably would have taken Cincy, Memphis or Houston. That would have diluted the payouts to then-current B12 teams. When ESPN wouldn't buy in, the B12 aborted their expansion plans. That probably left a bad taste in the mouths of some schools who went through a lot of time, effort, and $$ to apply for the invitations the B12 offered.

Texas, Oklahoma, and a few others can raise their revenue by leaving the B12. If that happens, the AAC starts looking stronger than the remnants of the B12.

You're close, but it would not have diluted the payouts, b/c there was a clause saying the B12 could add up to 4 teams and ESPN would have to pay the full rate for each, without diluting current payouts.

The B12, due to political reasons, got greedy and tried to add 4, and ESPN squashed it by threatening to bail on the Big 12 when their current contract was up.

I think if they had tried to add only two, it might have worked.

(12-23-2019 11:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 11:51 PM)Aargh Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 12:11 PM)malenko2 Wrote:  Temple would absolutely look at independence if the AAC is eventually picked apart by expansion and they are one of the teams left behind.

The B12 tried to raid the AAC a few years ago. The B12 wanted to go back to 12. They probably would have taken Cincy, Memphis or Houston. That would have diluted the payouts to then-current B12 teams. When ESPN wouldn't buy in, the B12 aborted their expansion plans. That probably left a bad taste in the mouths of some schools who went through a lot of time, effort, and $$ to apply for the invitations the B12 offered.

Texas, Oklahoma, and a few others can raise their revenue by leaving the B12. If that happens, the AAC starts looking stronger than the remnants of the B12.

You're close, but it would not have diluted the payouts, b/c there was a clause saying the B12 could add up to 4 teams and ESPN would have to pay the full rate for each, without diluting current payouts.

The B12, due to political reasons, got greedy and tried to add 4, and ESPN squashed it by threatening to bail on the Big 12 when their current contract was up.

I think if they had tried to add only two, it might have worked.

this is incorrect

the Big 12 paid out about $38 million the last payout, but only about $20 million of that was from ESPN "TV money"

any teams the Big 12 could have added would bring ZERO dollars from the $50+ million annual playoff payout and they would bring ZERO dollars for the $40 million Sugar Bowl payout that happens 2 out of every 3 years

that alone equals about $8 million per Big 12 team annually

in addition new teams would be bringing zero NCAA credits with them and the Big 12 does very well with NCAA credits so even if a new teams started to earn a large amount of those they would at best be keeping even with the conference and they would not be making any dent in the money mentioned above

also adding new members only brings the potential for new LOW LEVEL and LOW pay bowl games to the conference because even IF (a big IF) new members were going to better conference bowls they are simply moving another conference member down to a low level, low pay, break even at best bowl game

the Big 12 does very well in the payouts for their higher level bowl games in addition to The Sugar Bowl

so there is an $18+ million dollar per year per team deficit that would need to be somehow made up by new members before they would add any additional value for existing conference members

ESPN and Fox were not going to cover that and once the idiot boren had it made clear to him that new members (in any quantity or AVAILABLE quality) were not going to result in a Big 12 network there was no way to make up the deficit new members would have from the annual TV contract money vs a full share of conference distributions when all other conference revenues are accounted for

and even if new conference members were willing to take a reduced share for the entire 8 years of the existing TV contracts it would still only result in a break even at best situation for existing conference members over those 8 years as new members got larger and larger shares up to the 8 year mark

and that would be with a SEVERELY reduced payout for the entire 8 years

and the addition of those teams would mean that at the end of 8 years an unhappy ESPN and Fox would be negotiating a new conference TV deal with the Big 12 after having paid $350 to $700 million over the prior 8 years they were not interested at all in paying

much less there is nothing to suggest they would be wanting to pay a high value for those new members in a new TV contract

there is no reason to do that in order to basically break even over 8 years for existing members while having a conference that is handicapped with two members taking severely reduced payouts for the prior 8 years

Texas would have blocked any effort to add Houston.

(12-23-2019 11:14 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 07:27 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 09:42 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 08:55 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 12:34 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  We need to be proactive. The Big 12 sat back and waited and they are doing it again. If the AAC wants to stay afloat, then they need to kill off the MWC. Make it the only G5 worth bidding on and add members strong enough to increase our viewership (Air Force) and SOS (Boise St)... BYU would be best for the last spot but it isnt happening. Though I think we should try to nail down those two, and then ask one last time if BYU wants to join.

I tend to agree on being proactive, but that will require ESPN being willing to put out 5 to 7+ mil per year for each school added depending on whether it is FB only or all sports, and those schools being willing to come. I have real doubts ESPN is interested in forking out the cash for the schools listed.

Especially when they were only willing to pay them less than $2 million today. $6 million vs $21 million if they come to the aac as a 3 team combo.

I think ESPN will only want 1 team. Too bad we can't dump a team to do a combo of Boise and one of these Air Force/Colorado State/SDSU

ESPiN did not kill the ACC for not dropping poor football schools when adding OBE teams. If three MWC schools were to go to the AAC, ESPiN would pay the money required.

There you go, I'm willing to bet that, for example, if we added Georgia State or Buffalo to replace UConn they would get UConn's full share... The UConn value to ESPiN was WBB and contend for ESPN+, either of Georgia State or Buffalo would fell that need very nicely.

You do realize ESPN already has Georgia St and Buffalo content....every bit of it as a matter of fact. I think you should keep in mind that the AAC can actually end up being better without UConn than they were with UConn....IF they make the right addition/additions. Are Georgia St or Buffalo the schools that will make the AAC better----Or are they just warm body additions? I think you know the answer.

(12-23-2019 11:56 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 11:51 PM)Aargh Wrote:  The B12 tried to raid the AAC a few years ago. The B12 wanted to go back to 12. They probably would have taken Cincy, Memphis or Houston. That would have diluted the payouts to then-current B12 teams. When ESPN wouldn't buy in, the B12 aborted their expansion plans. That probably left a bad taste in the mouths of some schools who went through a lot of time, effort, and $$ to apply for the invitations the B12 offered.

You're close, but it would not have diluted the payouts, b/c there was a clause saying the B12 could add up to 4 teams and ESPN would have to pay the full rate for each, without diluting current payouts.

The B12, due to political reasons, got greedy and tried to add 4, and ESPN squashed it by threatening to bail on the Big 12 when their current contract was up.

I think if they had tried to add only two, it might have worked.

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According to this in-depth article, the 2016-17 three-act farce was mainly attributable to political controversies, disagreements between Texas and non-Texas schools, and discouraging financial projections:

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Remember when the Big 12 was going to expand ...

Jun 28, 2017 Jake Trotter ESPN Staff Writer

As the Big 12 presidents and chancellors were wrapping up their summer board meeting in Irving, Texas, last July, one prominent school official was driving to a dinner when he flipped on his satellite radio.

...he couldn't believe what he was hearing.

"Almost careened off the road," said the official, who immediately began phoning his colleagues... They, too, were stunned.

"...an inferiority complex drove the Big 12 to begrudgingly explore inviting Group of 5 members, even when the desire to do so was never really there.

...It didn't take long for the Big 12's public expansion process to turn messy.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (and other TX officials) posted messages endorsing Houston's bid to join the conference. "Big 12 expansion is a non-starter unless it includes University of Houston," Abbott wrote.

Houston, meanwhile, failed to generate enough support among the non-Texas schools, which feared having to recruit against another Texas school for precious Texas talent.

BYU had been viewed as the frontrunner in any Big 12 expansion scenario. The LGBT community's opposition, however, severely diminished BYU's candidacy.

Elsewhere, close to 20 schools from the Group of 5 schools mobilized to compile talking points, brochures, PowerPoints and videos...

Yet just as the operation was ramping up, the appetite for expansion was rapidly waning again.

During league meetings... the expansion push lost almost all momentum, especially after Boren was informed that adding the likes of Houston or BYU or Cincinnati would not deliver the lucrative conference network for the Big 12 he so desired.

As the Big 12 began staging the in-person interviews in Irving, it was becoming clear no candidate stood much chance of inducing the eight votes needed to secure an invitation."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ing-expand

Just add Hawaii and be done with it. It would be a state flagship replacing a departing state flagship. Hawaii has its Olympic sports already placed in a separate conference. Their extreme Tim zone provides lots of flexibility as they could start games at 11am local time for a 6pm est broadcast or 7pm local time for a 1am est broadcast. Being in the American would elevate their recruiting. Put them in the West and move Memphis to the East.

(12-23-2019 11:16 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  UConn left out of fear that its fan base wouldn't be able to find ESPN+

No. They left knowing they were in debt and depended on the alumni and fans to save them, and it was not football .

(12-26-2019 04:15 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 11:16 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  UConn left out of fear that its fan base wouldn't be able to find ESPN+

No. They left knowing they were in debt and depended on the alumni and fans to save them, and it was not football .

Wrong on both, they got sick and suffered from Forest Gump syndrome.
Stupid is as stupid does.

(12-25-2019 12:06 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Just add Hawaii and be done with it. It would be a state flagship replacing a departing state flagship. Hawaii has its Olympic sports already placed in a separate conference. Their extreme Tim zone provides lots of flexibility as they could start games at 11am local time for a 6pm est broadcast or 7pm local time for a 1am est broadcast. Being in the American would elevate their recruiting. Put them in the West and move Memphis to the East.

Honestly, that's better than nearly all of the other options. Hawaii have warts, but I find them to be very palatable ones.

(12-26-2019 10:56 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(12-25-2019 12:06 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Just add Hawaii and be done with it. It would be a state flagship replacing a departing state flagship. Hawaii has its Olympic sports already placed in a separate conference. Their extreme Tim zone provides lots of flexibility as they could start games at 11am local time for a 6pm est broadcast or 7pm local time for a 1am est broadcast. Being in the American would elevate their recruiting. Put them in the West and move Memphis to the East.

Honestly, that's better than nearly all of the other options. Hawaii have warts, but I find them to be very palatable ones.

This will never happen. Hawaii has its own TV deal on the side and adds no value to the conference, along with the nightmare of travel.

(12-26-2019 11:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 10:56 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(12-25-2019 12:06 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Just add Hawaii and be done with it. It would be a state flagship replacing a departing state flagship. Hawaii has its Olympic sports already placed in a separate conference. Their extreme Tim zone provides lots of flexibility as they could start games at 11am local time for a 6pm est broadcast or 7pm local time for a 1am est broadcast. Being in the American would elevate their recruiting. Put them in the West and move Memphis to the East.

Honestly, that's better than nearly all of the other options. Hawaii have warts, but I find them to be very palatable ones.

This will never happen. Hawaii has its own TV deal on the side and adds no value to the conference, along with the nightmare of travel.

That TV deal is less than an AAC FB share. Hawaii has a better FB brand than UConn, but we would need a BB add to balance it out.

Bows have that deal in place because the MW deal sucks for them. The American can make a good case to shake them loose.