(10-26-2019 11:54 PM)holybovine Wrote:  In all seriousness — you have half of your total career posts on this topic. You are either on the coaching staff, or are closely tied to it.

Reflect on what worked against WMU, and maintain that aggressiveness.

Right, bc only deep state operatives from within would call you an idiot for hindsight screaming about kicking a game-winning field goal from the 16, with under a minute left. Our kicker was 1-1 from about that distance, had hit his XPs and for the last year and change has been paraded around on promotional materials for kicking game winning field goals and getting carried around on people’s shoulders.

It’s just a dumb thing you’re doubling down on. Not kicking a field goal in that situation is insane. The suggestion to do otherwise is only made in hindsight and by fools.

(10-27-2019 12:02 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  Including this game, Chad is 3 of 10 from 30-39 yards.

Get your data and facts out of this discussion!

(10-27-2019 12:02 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  Including this game, Chad is 3 of 10 from 30-39 yards.

They brought in other kickers time to see if they are an improvement

(10-26-2019 06:36 PM)TheCrumbIsHere Wrote:  Why are you all so upset? The season was over two weeks ago! <rolls eyes>

In seriousness, coming back from 31-10 down with a chance to win at Toledo which has been a place that we aren’t generally even competitive is pretty impressive. Depending on a FG in rainy conditions is never a guarantee. Again I’m just amazed at the effort as teams in the past would not have put that much fight into a game like that.

We need to learn though not to start off these games and fall behind by multiple scores each time. We are always playing from behind it seems and that is tough to do consistently but yet these guys find a way to keep fighting until the end.

I still think the “easier” part of our schedule is now ahead of us. Buffalo, Kent, Akron and even N. Illinois are all winnable.

Agree 100%. Tough loss but a gutsy performance in miserable conditions.

hey so I'm a total anarchist and have been on the 'cc needs to be more aggressive' wagon for years but i dont think he flubbed the end of the game. im a total lunatic and im not sure i would have gone for it on 4th and 2 instead of field goal at the end of the game. if anything toledo should be complaining about their coach botching the 4th quarter.

im not going to hop on ryland for missing that fg. bad weather - not a gimme for a MAC program.

i AM going to hop on this defense for taking 3 quarters to wake up. this team keeps having horrendous 1st quarters on both sides of the ball but damn toledo was running all over us all game. you know how you dont lose in overtime? you dont go to overtime because you play better in the first half. I am encouraged by the offense though. so that's cool.

(10-26-2019 07:15 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  ......says EMU's biggest loser, who doesn't have a 'tough' bone in his body. Smdh

Quit living off your son, you geek. Worry about the Raiders garbage D, would ya. Maybe hold an opponent to less than 800 yards this week.

(10-26-2019 07:37 PM)TheCrumbIsHere Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 06:47 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 06:36 PM)TheCrumbIsHere Wrote:  Why are you all so upset? The season was over two weeks ago! <rolls eyes>

In seriousness, coming back from 31-10 down with a chance to win at Toledo which has been a place that we aren’t generally even competitive is pretty impressive. Depending on a FG in rainy conditions is never a guarantee. Again I’m just amazed at the effort as teams in the past would not have put that much fight into a game like that.

We need to learn though not to start off these games and fall behind by multiple scores each time. We are always playing from behind it seems and that is tough to do consistently but yet these guys find a way to keep fighting until the end.

I still think the “easier” part of our schedule is now ahead of us. Buffalo, Kent, Akron and even N. Illinois are all winnable.

God, I'm sick of this loser's lament, made popular by Steve. Getting giddy about beating dogsh** teams! Yay. If you want to be good at anything in life, you have to take on the challenge and win the "tough" ones.

I will agree with you on this point. Yes; this program needs to move from losing these types of games to winning these types of games. Great teams and great programs take complete advantage of every opportunity that comes their way and tonight they failed on that opportunity. They still haven’t made that next jump yet.

However, this same team at CMU when they fell behind kept fighting but ultimately got embarrassed. In a similar situation this team could have mailed it in down 31-10 and they didn’t and fought back to put themselves in a winning position. I consider that taking on the challenge.

As for being happy about winning against “dogsh** teams.. well they are on the schedule and you need to win those games. For us historically Toledo isn’t one of those teams. Better to win them then to lose them and that’s what I think is coming up with our schedule.

I also have just learned that it isn’t worth going crazy over one game.. Each game ultimately counts the same on your W-L Record. I also completely understand that most of these reactions are in the moment but I just find comments such as “the season is over” after six games to be ridiculous as was the case a couple weeks ago. I guess after today I can understand that viewpoint because winning the MAC isn’t in the cards any more.

I’m sorry that I try to find positives in the negative. I respect your passion even if I generally don’t agree with it. However, the good news is that I don’t post much on here anyways so you don’t have to waste your time with a “loser” like me. Try to have a great night. Go Green!

Good response. I get what your saying. I just wish this team would beat a good team every once in awhile, i.e. CMU, Toledo, freakin' Ball State...Buffalo is a decent team so I expect a L. The Illinois victory is turning out to be a GREAT win, so kudos to Creighton and the players for that awesome accomplishment. Bottom line, being an EMU fan is hard work and usually without any reward. They test my loyalty and fandom every single day.

(10-27-2019 08:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  hey so I'm a total anarchist and have been on the 'cc needs to be more aggressive' wagon for years but i dont think he flubbed the end of the game. im a total lunatic and im not sure i would have gone for it on 4th and 2 instead of field goal at the end of the game. if anything toledo should be complaining about their coach botching the 4th quarter.

im not going to hop on ryland for missing that fg. bad weather - not a gimme for a MAC program.

i AM going to hop on this defense for taking 3 quarters to wake up. this team keeps having horrendous 1st quarters on both sides of the ball but damn toledo was running all over us all game. you know how you dont lose in overtime? you dont go to overtime because you play better in the first half. I am encouraged by the offense though. so that's cool.

I agree with you in the sense that I wouldn’t have gone for it on 4th and 2. What I’m saying is that I would have been more aggressive on downs 1, 2, and 3. I would have tried to score a touchdown, rather than accepting a FG as a fait accompli.

(10-26-2019 10:58 PM)RussH Wrote:  Lol. Okay. Your takeaway from the game is that after storming back from 21 down in an unceasing rain storm, capped by a 26 yard explosive RUN by Shaq Vann, followed after by our forcing a turnover with under two minutes remaining on the Toledo 23 — after all of that, your take is that a.) we should have thrown end zone shots instead of handing to Shaq and setting up our regularly-scheduled game-winning legend kicker and b.) that failing to take shots is what cost us the game and is otherwise indicative of Creighton’s fatal flaw?

Just no. Bad take. Awful take.

"regularly-scheduled game-winning legend kicker"

(10-27-2019 09:30 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 10:58 PM)RussH Wrote:  Lol. Okay. Your takeaway from the game is that after storming back from 21 down in an unceasing rain storm, capped by a 26 yard explosive RUN by Shaq Vann, followed after by our forcing a turnover with under two minutes remaining on the Toledo 23 — after all of that, your take is that a.) we should have thrown end zone shots instead of handing to Shaq and setting up our regularly-scheduled game-winning legend kicker and b.) that failing to take shots is what cost us the game and is otherwise indicative of Creighton’s fatal flaw?

Just no. Bad take. Awful take.

"regularly-scheduled game-winning legend kicker"

Who is 3-10 between 30-39 yards.

guys guys guys - maybe this isnt a 8-4 team or a 4-8 team.

Lets say we finish with wins against akron and NIU and losses to buffalo and kent state.

6-6. not good not bad. were alright.

(10-27-2019 09:35 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:30 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 10:58 PM)RussH Wrote:  Lol. Okay. Your takeaway from the game is that after storming back from 21 down in an unceasing rain storm, capped by a 26 yard explosive RUN by Shaq Vann, followed after by our forcing a turnover with under two minutes remaining on the Toledo 23 — after all of that, your take is that a.) we should have thrown end zone shots instead of handing to Shaq and setting up our regularly-scheduled game-winning legend kicker and b.) that failing to take shots is what cost us the game and is otherwise indicative of Creighton’s fatal flaw?

Just no. Bad take. Awful take.

"regularly-scheduled game-winning legend kicker"

Who is 3-10 between 30-39 yards.

Ryland has been great on kickoffs, but he wasn't as reliable as we hoped last year. They brought in Caleb Richwine and Tony Trabold as competition.
Apparently if they were better they be kicking. Ryland still isn't reliable. CC has been looking for the next Mulder for years now. Need to address.

(10-27-2019 08:15 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 07:15 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  ......says EMU's biggest loser, who doesn't have a 'tough' bone in his body. Smdh

Quit living off your son, you geek. Worry about the Raiders garbage D, would ya. Maybe hold an opponent to less than 800 yards this week.

'Part of being a man is learning to take responsibility for your successes and for your failures. You can't go blaming others or being jealous. Seeing somebody else's success as your failure is a cancerous way to live.'

(10-27-2019 09:56 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:35 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:30 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 10:58 PM)RussH Wrote:  Lol. Okay. Your takeaway from the game is that after storming back from 21 down in an unceasing rain storm, capped by a 26 yard explosive RUN by Shaq Vann, followed after by our forcing a turnover with under two minutes remaining on the Toledo 23 — after all of that, your take is that a.) we should have thrown end zone shots instead of handing to Shaq and setting up our regularly-scheduled game-winning legend kicker and b.) that failing to take shots is what cost us the game and is otherwise indicative of Creighton’s fatal flaw?

Just no. Bad take. Awful take.

"regularly-scheduled game-winning legend kicker"

Who is 3-10 between 30-39 yards.

Ryland has been great on kickoffs, but he wasn't as reliable as we hoped last year. They brought in Caleb Richwine and Tony Trabold as competition.
Apparently if they were better they be kicking. Ryland still isn't reliable. CC has been looking for the next Mulder for years now. Need to address.

Ryland's problem isn't distance but his tendency to push middle distant kicks to the right.

That should be correctable.

(10-27-2019 09:43 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  guys guys guys - maybe this isnt a 8-4 team or a 4-8 team.

Lets say we finish with wins against akron and NIU and losses to buffalo and kent state.

6-6. not good not bad. were alright.

We are who we are. 6-7 wins just might be the ceiling here unless we fluke into our own PJ Fleck somehow.

Better than 1-11 or 2-12, but frustrating nonetheless.

It really all goes back to talent and recruiting. Until Creighton & Co. figure out how to get the program into the upper quarter of recruiting in the MAC, the talent dictates 5-7 wins. Unless you want to switch to an Army/Navy offense, talent always wins out at the end of the day. Been saying this since Day 1. The new facilities will help some, but it's really about the staff just getting out there and making it happen. Some are better at it than others. Apparently we are lacking in that area. Maybe this class can be the start of changing that reality.

TBD

(10-27-2019 10:10 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:43 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  guys guys guys - maybe this isnt a 8-4 team or a 4-8 team.

Lets say we finish with wins against akron and NIU and losses to buffalo and kent state.

6-6. not good not bad. were alright.

We are who we are. 6-7 wins just might be the ceiling here unless we fluke into our own PJ Fleck somehow.

Better than 1-11 or 2-12, but frustrating nonetheless.

It really all goes back to talent and recruiting. Until Creighton & Co. figure out how to get the program into the upper quarter of recruiting in the MAC, the talent dictates 5-7 wins. Unless you want to switch to an Army/Navy offense, talent always wins out at the end of the day. Been saying this since Day 1. The new facilities will help some, but it's really about the staff just getting out there and making it happen. Some are better at it than others. Apparently we are lacking in that area. Maybe this class can be the start of changing that reality.

TBD

Agree 100%. I check recruiting ratings and I don't know when the last time we were top third of MAC, probably when Ron Cooper was recruiting up a storm.

(10-27-2019 10:02 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:56 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:35 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:30 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(10-26-2019 10:58 PM)RussH Wrote:  Lol. Okay. Your takeaway from the game is that after storming back from 21 down in an unceasing rain storm, capped by a 26 yard explosive RUN by Shaq Vann, followed after by our forcing a turnover with under two minutes remaining on the Toledo 23 — after all of that, your take is that a.) we should have thrown end zone shots instead of handing to Shaq and setting up our regularly-scheduled game-winning legend kicker and b.) that failing to take shots is what cost us the game and is otherwise indicative of Creighton’s fatal flaw?

Just no. Bad take. Awful take.

"regularly-scheduled game-winning legend kicker"

Who is 3-10 between 30-39 yards.

Ryland has been great on kickoffs, but he wasn't as reliable as we hoped last year. They brought in Caleb Richwine and Tony Trabold as competition.
Apparently if they were better they be kicking. Ryland still isn't reliable. CC has been looking for the next Mulder for years now. Need to address.

Ryland's problem isn't distance but his tendency to push middle distant kicks to the right.

That should be correctable.

Agree. Kicking is a lot harder than it looks on TV. I find it impressive that kickers make them at a relatively high rate. Those posts are only 18'6" wide. Go stand at the 30 yard line and you'll see just how narrow that is. A kicker only gets about 1 degree of error in either direction. Not making excuses for the kid (dont forget he's a kid), he still needs to work on precision, but I wont throw him under the bus when the defensive front was gashed all night long. That's where the game was lost.

(10-27-2019 11:11 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 10:02 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:56 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:35 AM)holybovine Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:30 AM)EagleTough Wrote:  "regularly-scheduled game-winning legend kicker"

Who is 3-10 between 30-39 yards.

Ryland has been great on kickoffs, but he wasn't as reliable as we hoped last year. They brought in Caleb Richwine and Tony Trabold as competition.
Apparently if they were better they be kicking. Ryland still isn't reliable. CC has been looking for the next Mulder for years now. Need to address.

Ryland's problem isn't distance but his tendency to push middle distant kicks to the right.

That should be correctable.

Agree. Kicking is a lot harder than it looks on TV. I find it impressive that kickers make them at a relatively high rate. Those posts are only 18'6" wide. Go stand at the 30 yard line and you'll see just how narrow that is. A kicker only gets about 1 degree of error in either direction. Not making excuses for the kid (dont forget he's a kid), he still needs to work on precision, but I wont throw him under the bus when the defensive front was gashed all night long. That's where the game was lost.

'Nickle, you are correct. For reasons I do not understand collegiate goal posts are narrower than the NFL.

One would think it should be the opposite.

(10-27-2019 11:21 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 11:11 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 10:02 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:56 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(10-27-2019 09:35 AM)holybovine Wrote:  Who is 3-10 between 30-39 yards.

Ryland has been great on kickoffs, but he wasn't as reliable as we hoped last year. They brought in Caleb Richwine and Tony Trabold as competition.
Apparently if they were better they be kicking. Ryland still isn't reliable. CC has been looking for the next Mulder for years now. Need to address.

Ryland's problem isn't distance but his tendency to push middle distant kicks to the right.

That should be correctable.

Agree. Kicking is a lot harder than it looks on TV. I find it impressive that kickers make them at a relatively high rate. Those posts are only 18'6" wide. Go stand at the 30 yard line and you'll see just how narrow that is. A kicker only gets about 1 degree of error in either direction. Not making excuses for the kid (dont forget he's a kid), he still needs to work on precision, but I wont throw him under the bus when the defensive front was gashed all night long. That's where the game was lost.

'Nickle, you are correct. For reasons I do not understand collegiate goal posts are narrower than the NFL.

One would think it should be the opposite.

Actually they are the same size as the NFL. But, the hash marks are wider in college so any kick from the marks is harder in college.

At the beginning of the game I thought Keen would have to prove he could adjust to the weather and O-line play. I think he did pretty well.
Now, we need to see how Neathery will adjust the D given the D-line play.