(10-14-2019 12:00 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Yeah the advanced stats don't like Rose. I think Yetna was probably a more important piece for USF than Rideau as well.

Bingo. I think Yenta should be on that list over Rideau, Rose and Jarreau honestly. Gardner has a case as well, even if it's lesser.

Jarreau played 18 minutes a game off the bench vs a lot of subs on a team where he had zero pressure to be the man really as the 5th option. Yeah he was good in that time but he's not as proven an individual player as Yenta either.

(10-14-2019 12:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 11:21 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Quentin Rose was not good last year.

16.3 ppg
3.8apg
2.5 rpg
2.2spg

look good but is not great in nearly 35 minutes.

His .479 True shooting percentage is absolutely horrific for any player much less a guy with that much usage.

15.3 PER which is completely average, negative net rating etc. He's been a little better in other seasons but he still shouldn't be on the first team over Yenta especially but Gardner either.

rose is also their primary defender, though not excellent at all parts of his defense, is elite at 3pt defense...ive seen teams have borderline horrible performances trying to shoot on home

i have see a preseason 1st team that doesnt have him and thats for good reason

heis going to be a 18-20pt scorer on what most believe will be a NIT-ish team

For a league likely to have 4-5 NCAA teams, that screams back end of 2nd Team, not consensus 1st Team. Memphis/WSU/USF are being undervalued here because of youth. I get not picking a bunch of incoming freshmen. There are other misses, IMO.

(10-14-2019 11:54 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  There's 3 scenarios that could play out for Tulsa this year I believe.

1. Haith gets us to the NCAA tourney and keeps his job.
2. We don't make it to the NCAA's, Haith isn't fired, and we slip into Doug Wojick Era 2.0.
3. We don't make the tourney, Haith is fired, and we move on.

Buddy, we're already in Doug Wojick era 2.0.

Wojcik's last 4 seasons at Tulsa:

25-14 (CBI Champions 2nd in C-USA)
23-12 (NIT 5th in C-USA)
19-13 (Missed Postseason 2nd in C-USA)
17-14 (Missed Postseason - 3rd in C-USA)

Haith's last 4 seasons at Tulsa:

15-17 (Missed Postseason 7th in AAC)
19-12 (Missed Postseason 4th in AAC)
18-14 (Missed Postseason 7th in AAC)
2019-20: Picked 10th.

(10-14-2019 12:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 11:54 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  There's 3 scenarios that could play out for Tulsa this year I believe.

1. Haith gets us to the NCAA tourney and keeps his job.
2. We don't make it to the NCAA's, Haith isn't fired, and we slip into Doug Wojick Era 2.0.
3. We don't make the tourney, Haith is fired, and we move on.

the nbc podcast made a point that tulsa would have to be absolutely horrible to be fired

haith took a paycut to help tulsa balance the budget,, that is the sign of a great admin/coach relationship...and a program that doesnt have money for large buyouts and getting a quality

anything above .500 and he is likely safe

He took a paycut so he could hire an assistant coach of his choosing which fell through. Also, it's been rumored that his extension had a pretty big caveat that if he missed the post season this year his buyout would be very low.

(10-14-2019 09:32 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 07:27 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 07:20 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

Rankings seem about right to me. The first and second teams are odd. Only 1 player from each of the "#1" teams, none from the 4th, 2 from the 5th and 6th teams

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There are only five spots. Technically we're second because of less first place votes. I'm good with that.

There are 10 spots (first and second teams, latter just not shown in copy of tweet). USF has 3 players of those 10, UConn and Temple have 2, and Memphis has one.

(10-14-2019 12:28 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 09:32 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 07:27 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 07:20 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

Rankings seem about right to me. The first and second teams are odd. Only 1 player from each of the "#1" teams, none from the 4th, 2 from the 5th and 6th teams

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There are only five spots. Technically we're second because of less first place votes. I'm good with that.

There are 10 spots (first and second teams, latter just not shown in copy of tweet). USF has 3 players of those 10, UConn and Temple have 2, and Memphis has one.

Exactly .. Which seems odd with team expectations. I would have expected at least 1 from WSU, and 1 more from both Memphis and Houston on there.

(10-14-2019 11:31 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 11:23 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 10:59 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

Dirty cheating UConn tampering with other teams players. Is this a surprise?

1. That isn't tampering. UConn/Hurley was recruiting him.

2. Memphis might want to slow they roll with this. cough*Lomax*cough

Dude, Lomax lived with Penny as a child for several years. Penny encouraged him to sign with Wichita, b/c he wasn't the Memphis coach at the time, and didn't know it was coming. That ain't tampering.

(10-14-2019 12:17 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 12:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 11:21 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Quentin Rose was not good last year.

16.3 ppg
3.8apg
2.5 rpg
2.2spg

look good but is not great in nearly 35 minutes.

His .479 True shooting percentage is absolutely horrific for any player much less a guy with that much usage.

15.3 PER which is completely average, negative net rating etc. He's been a little better in other seasons but he still shouldn't be on the first team over Yenta especially but Gardner either.

rose is also their primary defender, though not excellent at all parts of his defense, is elite at 3pt defense...ive seen teams have borderline horrible performances trying to shoot on home

i have see a preseason 1st team that doesnt have him and thats for good reason

heis going to be a 18-20pt scorer on what most believe will be a NIT-ish team

His team loses with him on the court last year.

he was on the court for almost full games every game ...temple had 4 total guards for 3 guard spots ... and they made the tourney...

him and cumberland are the only returning 15+ players on any postseason teams (ncaa/nit)

ECU mad disrespected.

(10-14-2019 12:30 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 12:28 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 09:32 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 07:27 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 07:20 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

Rankings seem about right to me. The first and second teams are odd. Only 1 player from each of the "#1" teams, none from the 4th, 2 from the 5th and 6th teams

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There are only five spots. Technically we're second because of less first place votes. I'm good with that.

There are 10 spots (first and second teams, latter just not shown in copy of tweet). USF has 3 players of those 10, UConn and Temple have 2, and Memphis has one.

Exactly .. Which seems odd with team expectations. I would have expected at least 1 from WSU, and 1 more from both Memphis and Houston on there.

Memphis and Houston are kindof tough. Maybe WSU as well. Memphis and Houston will each end up with at least 2 in the Top 10, but they will be young/freshmen. Picking guys before they even play a college game is tricky/risky. I would think if you're picking WSU 4th you probably throw either Dennis/Echinique on the 2nd team as a "somebody must be good if the team will be good" pick.

But, then, lots of people just like PPG. I call it Evansville Syndrome.

(10-14-2019 12:30 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 12:28 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 09:32 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 07:27 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 07:20 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

Rankings seem about right to me. The first and second teams are odd. Only 1 player from each of the "#1" teams, none from the 4th, 2 from the 5th and 6th teams

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There are only five spots. Technically we're second because of less first place votes. I'm good with that.

There are 10 spots (first and second teams, latter just not shown in copy of tweet). USF has 3 players of those 10, UConn and Temple have 2, and Memphis has one.

Exactly .. Which seems odd with team expectations. I would have expected at least 1 from WSU, and 1 more from both Memphis and Houston on there.

Coaches know Wichita will be good, but they probably couldn't pinpoint their top player. Probably also hard to tell with all the talent on Memphis and Houston who their 2nd best contributors will be. A bunch of split votes could have kept them off the 2nd team. The only unanimous selection on the 1st or 2nd team was Cumberland.

(10-14-2019 12:23 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 12:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 11:54 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  There's 3 scenarios that could play out for Tulsa this year I believe.

1. Haith gets us to the NCAA tourney and keeps his job.
2. We don't make it to the NCAA's, Haith isn't fired, and we slip into Doug Wojick Era 2.0.
3. We don't make the tourney, Haith is fired, and we move on.

the nbc podcast made a point that tulsa would have to be absolutely horrible to be fired

haith took a paycut to help tulsa balance the budget,, that is the sign of a great admin/coach relationship...and a program that doesnt have money for large buyouts and getting a quality

anything above .500 and he is likely safe

He took a paycut so he could hire an assistant coach of his choosing which fell through. Also, it's been rumored that his extension had a pretty big caveat that if he missed the post season this year his buyout would be very low.

His buy out this year is nearly nothing and wasn't much of an issue for either Haith or the school in negotiations. If he is bad (no tourney) the school fires him. If he's good he is leaving. It's a simple equation.

I discount that 15-17 year but the last two seem very Wojick-esque. It is looking very much like Tulsa will have a new football and basketball coach. A bad season by the women and she will be gone too, although I expect a wnit team and growth from them.

(10-14-2019 12:41 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Coaches know Wichita will be good, but they probably couldn't pinpoint their top player. Probably also hard to tell with all the talent on Memphis and Houston who their 2nd best contributors will be. A bunch of split votes could have kept them off the 2nd team. The only unanimous selection on the 1st or 2nd team was Cumberland.

Good point about vote-splitting. As an example, I would expect either WSU's Dennis or Echinique to be on the 2nd team since the same voters placed the team 4th. Perhaps the voters were somewhere near 50/50 on which representative to put on and that led to the results we see.

(10-14-2019 12:19 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 12:00 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Yeah the advanced stats don't like Rose. I think Yetna was probably a more important piece for USF than Rideau as well.

Bingo. I think Yenta should be on that list over Rideau, Rose and Jarreau honestly. Gardner has a case as well, even if it's lesser.

Quote:Jarreau played 18 minutes a game off the bench vs a lot of subs on a team where he had zero pressure to be the man really as the 5th option. Yeah he was good in that time but he's not as proven an individual player as Yenta either.

Can we tawlk about Alexis?

USFFan

(10-14-2019 12:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 12:17 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 12:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 11:21 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Quentin Rose was not good last year.

16.3 ppg
3.8apg
2.5 rpg
2.2spg

look good but is not great in nearly 35 minutes.

His .479 True shooting percentage is absolutely horrific for any player much less a guy with that much usage.

15.3 PER which is completely average, negative net rating etc. He's been a little better in other seasons but he still shouldn't be on the first team over Yenta especially but Gardner either.

rose is also their primary defender, though not excellent at all parts of his defense, is elite at 3pt defense...ive seen teams have borderline horrible performances trying to shoot on home

i have see a preseason 1st team that doesnt have him and thats for good reason

heis going to be a 18-20pt scorer on what most believe will be a NIT-ish team

His team loses with him on the court last year.

he was on the court for almost full games every game ...temple had 4 total guards for 3 guard spots ... and they made the tourney...

him and cumberland are the only returning 15+ players on any postseason teams (ncaa/nit)

Scoring 15+ppg when you play 35 minutes and shoot .479 True shooting seriously is a negative not a positive. Literally just about any above average player, hell 35 percentile type player you give the same number of shots too would average 15+ ppg in the same situation, and likely most all of them at a much more efficient clip. That's horrible scoring and he's a guy you don't want shooting the ball if he's anywhere where close to that. This isn't 1995, the people voting on this should understand how aweful that is and not just look at ppg.

I’ll have to see the team play together before I make a finish prediction but I can’t see Tulsa being 10th. They bring back a lot of very good players and, on paper, appear to have added a lot of talent. If they get a waiver for Keyshawn Embery-Simpson the incoming class looks to be the best they’ve had in Haith’s tenure.

It will be difficult to tell much about the team until December because the early schedule is uncharacteristically weak. Other than at Vandy on November 30 there shouldn’t be much competition until at Arkansas on December 14.

(10-14-2019 01:22 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Scoring 15+ppg when you play 35 minutes and shoot .479 True shooting seriously is a negative not a positive. Literally just about any above average player, hell 35 percentile type player you give the same number of shots too would average 15+ ppg in the same situation, and likely most all of them at a much more efficient clip. That's horrible scoring and he's a guy you don't want shooting the ball if he's anywhere where close to that. This isn't 1995, the people voting on this should understand how aweful that is and not just look at ppg.

he was undoubtedly the 2nd best player on a team that made the tourney (2nd most points/main defender)

if gardner gave you rose's number and ecu made the tourney you wouldnt complain..and id have gardner 1st team... to the winner go the spoils, cause we playy to win, no to have advanced stats

you can look at the numbers all you want that is 1st team all onferene player... aoung every media release he's been unamoiusly selected

he is a 6'8 guard with the fully agility of someone 6'2..

(10-14-2019 11:31 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 11:23 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 10:59 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

Dirty cheating UConn tampering with other teams players. Is this a surprise?

1. That isn't tampering. UConn/Hurley was recruiting him.

2. Memphis might want to slow they roll with this. cough*Lomax*cough

Dude it was a joke.

(10-14-2019 04:26 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 11:31 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 11:23 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(10-14-2019 10:59 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

Dirty cheating UConn tampering with other teams players. Is this a surprise?

1. That isn't tampering. UConn/Hurley was recruiting him.

2. Memphis might want to slow they roll with this. cough*Lomax*cough

Dude it was a joke.

You a dirty, cheating joke!

Lol at angry ECU fan about Quintin Rose. You realize who voted in this poll right? The coaches who have played against him. Why don’t y’all focus on maybe a sub 200 rpi this year, leave basketball to the hoops schools.