(10-14-2019 01:22 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: Scoring 15+ppg when you play 35 minutes and shoot .479 True shooting seriously is a negative not a positive. Literally just about any above average player, hell 35 percentile type player you give the same number of shots too would average 15+ ppg in the same situation, and likely most all of them at a much more efficient clip. That's horrible scoring and he's a guy you don't want shooting the ball if he's anywhere where close to that. This isn't 1995, the people voting on this should understand how aweful that is and not just look at ppg.
he was undoubtedly the 2nd best player on a team that made the tourney (2nd most points/main defender)
if gardner gave you rose's number and ecu made the tourney you wouldnt complain..and id have gardner 1st team... to the winner go the spoils, cause we playy to win, no to have advanced stats
you can look at the numbers all you want that is 1st team all onferene player... aoung every media release he's been unamoiusly selected
he is a 6'8 guard with the fully agility of someone 6'2..
Basketball is a team game last I checked, and it's no fault of Gardner's really he had no team around him. If anything Rose should have had less pressure on him than Gardner, with more good options around him taking it off and giving him better looks. Yet the guy couldn't throw it in the ocean.
Yenta is the real screw job here though, he had the stats and his team was solid if you want to make that the tiebreaker. As far as this guy being 6-8 guard, it doesn't matter when basically nothing translated to actually above average play or scoring when that and steals is basically all he did and the scoring is far from even average, it's terrible like the last guy you want shooting that much terrible. They lost with him on the court. You can tell coaches are all about who looks the part even if it doesn't really check out to the tangible like who's actually producing or making shots.
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- says tulsa will be right there with houston and memphis
- understands why they are overlooked, new comers aren't media darlings, the team will surprise some folks
- still some unknowns (likely eluding to waivers)
mini mckie (temple) interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue7-KLTo9LQ
- the team is ready to play, wish there was a game tomorrow
- former coaches will give him advice.... he is a film junkie
- has won everywhere he's been
- wont accept "this is a rebuilding year" talent to win now
mckie article https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/...91014.html
-"Rose has a chance to be a 2,000-point scorer in college basketball" and few can say that
-NPL is striving to be the best defender and best rebounder in the country
- “We got a taste last year, and we all like the feeling,” Rose said. “Our whole mindset this year is to get back and make some noise.”
Tulane's hunter fun interview with young reporter https://twitter.com/42_chase/status/1183754793724067840
- never finished last in anything in his life, didnt come to tulane to lose
- going to surprise people
- has picture of projections (from espn) in his car as daily motivation
tim jankovich SMU article
"Tim Jankovich sees SMU as a team on the rise" https://247sports.com/college/smu/Articl...136966637/
- "the guys in our gym right now are going to win a lot of games over the next two, three years. We don't have any seniors."
- doesn't sound confident about waivers- he accepts whatever happens with that
- went normal transfer over grad transfer because history showed they win with normal transfer not grad transfers
mini joe dooley ECU interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-q79FJWXc
- asked about expectations in respect to poll: "we'll see we high we can climb" {from poll projection} but likes his chances and his roster
dawkins UCF mini interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGYGqV1HrMI
- a lot of teaching with so many players
- deepest the league might have been since joining ucf
- won't put a goal on this years tam beyond competing too the best of their ability
UH's kelvin sampson on grimes https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/10/14/hous...es-waiver/
- grimes checks all the boxs that are needed to get a waiver, but you never know with ncaa
- he is very good and a playmaker but has to be ball dominant for it to show, makes other better..
- him and dejon compliment each other well
- thinks coaches voted houston #1 becuase they think grimes will be eligible
UC's john brannen on cumberland https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...973291002/
- thinks he can take cumberland to another level
- he runs a more nba style offense, it will show cumberland can play at the next level
- cumberland thinks uc is in for a great season
memphis stuff
Memphis' Penny Hardaway discusses freshmen, team energy and Tigers' daunting schedule
(10-14-2019 01:22 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: Scoring 15+ppg when you play 35 minutes and shoot .479 True shooting seriously is a negative not a positive. Literally just about any above average player, hell 35 percentile type player you give the same number of shots too would average 15+ ppg in the same situation, and likely most all of them at a much more efficient clip. That's horrible scoring and he's a guy you don't want shooting the ball if he's anywhere where close to that. This isn't 1995, the people voting on this should understand how aweful that is and not just look at ppg.
he was undoubtedly the 2nd best player on a team that made the tourney (2nd most points/main defender)
if gardner gave you rose's number and ecu made the tourney you wouldnt complain..and id have gardner 1st team... to the winner go the spoils, cause we playy to win, no to have advanced stats
you can look at the numbers all you want that is 1st team all onferene player... aoung every media release he's been unamoiusly selected
he is a 6'8 guard with the fully agility of someone 6'2..
Basketball is a team game last I checked, and it's no fault of Gardner's really he had no team around him. If anything Rose should have had less pressure on him than Gardner, with more good options around him taking it off and giving him better looks. Yet the guy couldn't throw it in the ocean.
Yenta is the real screw job here though, he had the stats and his team was solid if you want to make that the tiebreaker. As far as this guy being 6-8 guard, it doesn't matter when basically nothing translated to actually above average play or scoring when that and steals is basically all he did and the scoring is far from even average, it's terrible like the last guy you want shooting that much terrible. They lost with him on the court. You can tell coaches are all about who looks the part even if it doesn't really check out to the tangible like who's actually producing or making shots.
You really are steering into that. It's YeTNa, not YeNTa.
(10-14-2019 01:22 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: Scoring 15+ppg when you play 35 minutes and shoot .479 True shooting seriously is a negative not a positive. Literally just about any above average player, hell 35 percentile type player you give the same number of shots too would average 15+ ppg in the same situation, and likely most all of them at a much more efficient clip. That's horrible scoring and he's a guy you don't want shooting the ball if he's anywhere where close to that. This isn't 1995, the people voting on this should understand how aweful that is and not just look at ppg.
he was undoubtedly the 2nd best player on a team that made the tourney (2nd most points/main defender)
if gardner gave you rose's number and ecu made the tourney you wouldnt complain..and id have gardner 1st team... to the winner go the spoils, cause we playy to win, no to have advanced stats
you can look at the numbers all you want that is 1st team all onferene player... aoung every media release he's been unamoiusly selected
he is a 6'8 guard with the fully agility of someone 6'2..
Basketball is a team game last I checked, and it's no fault of Gardner's really he had no team around him. If anything Rose should have had less pressure on him than Gardner, with more good options around him taking it off and giving him better looks. Yet the guy couldn't throw it in the ocean.
Yenta is the real screw job here though, he had the stats and his team was solid if you want to make that the tiebreaker. As far as this guy being 6-8 guard, it doesn't matter when basically nothing translated to actually above average play or scoring when that and steals is basically all he did and the scoring is far from even average, it's terrible like the last guy you want shooting that much terrible. They lost with him on the court. You can tell coaches are all about who looks the part even if it doesn't really check out to the tangible like who's actually producing or making shots.
temple had 3 note worthy players last season, lets not act like they were deep ...and 1 wasn't a high volume scorer
temple had more pressure as it was obvious which 2 would be taking the most shots (shizz/rose) stop one and you likely win
ecu had Gardner the most efficient but shot attempts was spread almost evenly across the board per minute.. hard to put pressure on any specific player
temple is a top 80 team by everyone based around rose, remove rose and everyone would be calling lucky to get to .500
yetna should be 1st team..over rideau not rose
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(10-14-2019 01:22 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: Scoring 15+ppg when you play 35 minutes and shoot .479 True shooting seriously is a negative not a positive. Literally just about any above average player, hell 35 percentile type player you give the same number of shots too would average 15+ ppg in the same situation, and likely most all of them at a much more efficient clip. That's horrible scoring and he's a guy you don't want shooting the ball if he's anywhere where close to that. This isn't 1995, the people voting on this should understand how aweful that is and not just look at ppg.
he was undoubtedly the 2nd best player on a team that made the tourney (2nd most points/main defender)
if gardner gave you rose's number and ecu made the tourney you wouldnt complain..and id have gardner 1st team... to the winner go the spoils, cause we playy to win, no to have advanced stats
you can look at the numbers all you want that is 1st team all onferene player... aoung every media release he's been unamoiusly selected
he is a 6'8 guard with the fully agility of someone 6'2..
Basketball is a team game last I checked, and it's no fault of Gardner's really he had no team around him. If anything Rose should have had less pressure on him than Gardner, with more good options around him taking it off and giving him better looks. Yet the guy couldn't throw it in the ocean.
Yenta is the real screw job here though, he had the stats and his team was solid if you want to make that the tiebreaker. As far as this guy being 6-8 guard, it doesn't matter when basically nothing translated to actually above average play or scoring when that and steals is basically all he did and the scoring is far from even average, it's terrible like the last guy you want shooting that much terrible. They lost with him on the court. You can tell coaches are all about who looks the part even if it doesn't really check out to the tangible like who's actually producing or making shots.
temple had 3 note worthy players last season, lets not act like they were deep ...and 1 wasn't a high volume scorer
temple had more pressure as it was obvious which 2 would be taking the most shots (shizz/rose) stop one and you likely win
ecu had Gardner the most efficient but shot attempts was spread almost evenly across the board per minute.. hard to put pressure on any specific player
temple is a top 80 team by everyone based around rose, remove rose and everyone would be calling lucky to get to .500
yetna should be 1st team..over rideau not rose
That's not true about Garnder, he had many possessions and shots but they don't show up because he was fouled and he did it with no space, and teamates going to low majors now that sucked around him where he was always the focus of the defense. He had the same usage level as Rose, but was far more effective.
There is completely no logic in that nonsense when they lost with Rose on the court. A negative net rating. The actual evidence is damning and suggest they would have done better if he shot and played less the way he was actually shooting and playing last year.
It's a joke to put a guy with a .479 True shooting percentage and negative net rating on the All Conference 1st team especially with actual all star level players like Yetna not on it. Say what you want but at least all the guys that were averaging 5ppg on Temple off the bench around him were actually making their shots and the team was winning with them on the court. You completely undervalue their contributions which were mostly more impressive per minute than Roses tank tastic .479 true shooting, shoot you right out of a game lose when he was on the court minutes which is hard to do when you have as good a team around him as they did.
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In evaluating Rose’s stats it’s better to look at conference stats as we are comparing stats of conference players. Glad someone pointed out that Rose played with a broken foot that he incurred back in January.
Nevertheless, he had a Total Shooting Percentage (TSP) Of 50.4 in conference play. And when one looks further we find he averaged 1.7 three’s, and made 3.3 foul shots per game in conference play. Those numbers are not reflected in his TSP. So one can see he did quite well.
He also shot 34.8 percent on threes’s and and only 43.6 percent on two’s which contrasts with the 48.4 percent he shot on 2’s in conference play last season. So maybe, just maybe, his broken foot is the reason he did not shoot higher percentages.
One of the reasons he shot a low 2-point percentage is that many times when he was off shooting, he kept shooting and missing, when better shooters with higher TSP’s, were on the court. Hopefully, that won’t happen this year.
Also, there are things he can do to improve his two point shooting percentage this season.
On defense in conference play, he averaged 4.3 rebounds, and 1.9 steals per game.
So overall, given that he played with a broken foot, he played quite well.
(10-14-2019 08:23 PM)Miggy Wrote: In evaluating Rose’s stats it’s better to look at conference stats as we are comparing stats of conference players. Glad someone pointed out that Rose played with a broken foot that he incurred back in January.
Nevertheless, he had a Total Shooting Percentage (TSP) Of 50.4 in conference play. And when one looks further we find he averaged 1.7 three’s, and made 3.3 foul shots per game in conference play. Those numbers are not reflected in his TSP. So one can see he did quite well.
He also shot 34.8 percent on threes’s and and only 43.6 percent on two’s which contrasts with the 48.4 percent he shot on 2’s in conference play last season. So maybe, just maybe, his broken foot is the reason he did not shoot higher percentages.
One of the reasons he shot a low 2-point percentage is that many times when he was off shooting, he kept shooting and missing, when better shooters with higher TSP’s, were on the court. Hopefully, that won’t happen this year.
Also, there are things he can do to improve his two point shooting percentage this season.
On defense in conference play, he averaged 4.3 rebounds, and 1.9 steals per game.
So overall, given that he played with a broken foot, he played quite well.
You just undercut your argument when you point out he played better when he was supposed to have a broke foot in January and after. Can't blame that on injury. It's like how god aweful was he the first half of the year when he was healthy. You don't just get to write that off like it doesn't exist. The season is not only regular season conference play it all counts and has importance and tells a story.
The guy has played 3000 minutes and nearly 100 games in his career. His numbers are consistently average or below average his entire career. If anything he's gotten worse as a trend each year overall. Doing something like shooting 34.8% on 89 shots in conference is the outlier based on the aggregate of 3000 minutes played and 362 career sample that say he's a 30.7 shooter for example, and you don't even want to look at how bad he was the rest of last year and overall.
It's hard to defend this guy as a 1st team all AAC player, there is nothing in his resume that jumps out as that level of player. Under .500 true shooting for his career, negative net rating, etc. As much as he's played, it's pretty obvious what he is at this point especially as he's actually gotten worse as the trend.
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the metrics you guys use to define good is odd to me, and how hard set yall are on then..whether recruit ranking, True Shooting, Net rating, or whatever metric
what if i told you there was an AAC team just years ago that had:
- 6 of its top 8 player juco or walk-ons
- 5 of its top 7 50% or below in true shooting %
- 5 of its top 7 with subpar or lower PER..2 starters with 10 or lower PER
- with arguably its best 2 defensive player, with the 2 lowest net rating among rotational players
according what ive read here that is a horrible team..
this was a top 3 AAC, that was a high seed (2) NIT team..was a slightly better non-con schedule away from a bid.. that had multiple all conference, with 5 of them playing atleast 1 nba game or currently signed to an nba team..including both those horrible net defensive play, both under 50% ts% that year, 1 with under 10 PER
You don't need a damn metric to see how $hit this guy was at shooting the ball last year or his entire career. All true shooting does is take all the percentages and put it in an easy to understand one stop shop mathematically with the actual value and weight given to things like 3's being worth more, and with the volume of them or FT's factored in. That's IT. It's the real value of how well the guy is scoring mathematically.
Hey but if you just look at this pathetic shooting percentages individually if you want to spend more time. They say the same thing. They are terrible. As far as some of the rest lame things like 6.2 rebounds or 4.1 assist are per 100 possessions are as well not impressive. These are obvious things advance stats cuts to the chase on in an apples to apples easy to understand format. That's it, it's not complicated and I'm sick of explaining it and am done, go argue with Miggy.
(This post was last modified: 10-14-2019 10:56 PM by StillJonesing.)
(10-14-2019 08:23 PM)Miggy Wrote: In evaluating Rose’s stats it’s better to look at conference stats as we are comparing stats of conference players. Glad someone pointed out that Rose played with a broken foot that he incurred back in January.
Nevertheless, he had a Total Shooting Percentage (TSP) Of 50.4 in conference play. And when one looks further we find he averaged 1.7 three’s, and made 3.3 foul shots per game in conference play. Those numbers are not reflected in his TSP. So one can see he did quite well.
He also shot 34.8 percent on threes’s and and only 43.6 percent on two’s which contrasts with the 48.4 percent he shot on 2’s in conference play last season. So maybe, just maybe, his broken foot is the reason he did not shoot higher percentages.
One of the reasons he shot a low 2-point percentage is that many times when he was off shooting, he kept shooting and missing, when better shooters with higher TSP’s, were on the court. Hopefully, that won’t happen this year.
Also, there are things he can do to improve his two point shooting percentage this season.
On defense in conference play, he averaged 4.3 rebounds, and 1.9 steals per game.
So overall, given that he played with a broken foot, he played quite well.
You just undercut your argument when you point out he played better when he was supposed to have a broke foot in January and after. Can't blame that on injury. It's like how god aweful was he the first half of the year when he was healthy. You don't just get to write that off like it doesn't exist. The season is not only regular season conference play it all counts and has importance and tells a story.
The guy has played 3000 minutes and nearly 100 games in his career. His numbers are consistently average or below average his entire career. If anything he's gotten worse as a trend each year overall. Doing something like shooting 34.8% on 89 shots in conference is the outlier based on the aggregate of 3000 minutes played and 362 career sample that say he's a 30.7 shooter for example, and you don't even want to look at how bad he was the rest of last year and overall.
It's hard to defend this guy as a 1st team all AAC player, there is nothing in his resume that jumps out as that level of player. Under .500 true shooting for his career, negative net rating, etc. As much as he's played, it's pretty obvious what he is at this point especially as he's actually gotten worse as the trend.
I responded to a poster using Rose’s TSP for the year, and not his conference TSP and not pointing out the significance of his conference TSP, and the importance of his foul-shots and made three m-pointers.
Let me amplfy my objection to use of his non-conference TSA. As you probably know Rose shot about 49 percent on two’s in non-conference games, which was much higher than he shot in conference games.
He had a low TSP in non-conference play, primarily because he shot 17 percent on three’s.
I believe as conference play commenced, he radically changed his three point shooting form. I observed that watching Temple’s bb games.
His new shooting form resulted in Rose shooting 34.8 percent in conference play.
What i don’t know is given driving to the hoop was a big part of his game, did his foot injury drive down his
2-point shooting injury in conference play, and not effect his three point shooting?
Rose said in an interview that his foot injury bothered him in on and off during conference play. My overall impression was that his foot injury hurt more toward the end of the season.
Whether his foot injury kept him from shooting the 49 percent on two’s he shot in non-conference games is simply unknown.
I agree with you that he has not had a good career at Temple, and that he should not have been named to the AAC lall-conference second team last year.
In conference play at times, he shot excessively when he was missing shots, and should have instead let better shooters shoot the ball. Hopefully that won’t happen this season.
I don’t know how Rose will play this year, and whether he’s one of Temple’s four best players on the roster this season. If not, hope Temple’s best players step forward.
I still believe Temple has the best roster, but I need to see how the team play together, who will be the starters,and the final roster of other teams, before coming up with a final ranking the AAC!s best teams.
Temple plays Georgetown in a scrimmage this weekend.
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(10-15-2019 07:30 AM)CougarRed Wrote: So each of the 12 coaches votes for the other 11 teams.
Max votes = 132. First place vote worth 11 points.
Houston and Memphis each got 113.
Houston had 7 firsts, Memphis had 4.
So Houston averaged (113-77 = 36 divided by 5 = 7.2 votes on the other ballots.) Basically FIFTH place.
Memphis averaged (113-44 = 69 divided by 8 = 8.6 votes on the other ballots). Nearly a THIRD place average.
I don't think the coaches vote on their own team. You divide by 4 not 5 with Houston and divide by 7 not 8 with Memphis. Everything makes a ton of sense when you do that.
I’m concerned that Temple’s Head Coach McKie wants the ball in Rose’s hands more this year, and for Rose to score more. As Rose lacks the ball-handling, decision-making nor shooting skills to be a consistent scor
Last season, Shizz Alston was the glue to made the team work. Rose is incapable of stepping into Alston shoes.
With so many other better and consistent shooters, I was expecting Rose to be reined in, not given a bigger role. Just hope HC McKie see’s that early on or my assessment shown to be wrong..
There’s also uncertainty with regard to who will be in Temple’s starting line-up.
Temple’s scrimmage against much improved Georgetown team this Saturday may well prove to be be a eye-opener for everyone.
(10-15-2019 09:38 AM)Miggy Wrote: I’m concerned that Temple’s Head Coach McKie wants the ball in Rose’s hands more this year, and for Rose to score more. As Rose lacks the ball-handling, decision-making nor shooting skills to be a consistent scor
Last season, Shizz Alston was the glue to made the team work. Rose is incapable of stepping into Alston shoes.
With so many other better and consistent shooters, I was expecting Rose to be reined in, not given a bigger role. Just hope HC McKie see’s that early on or my assessment shown to be wrong..
There’s also uncertainty with regard to who will be in Temple’s starting line-up.
Temple’s scrimmage against much improved Georgetown team this Saturday may well prove to be be a eye-opener for everyone.
Whoa whoa whoa ... no back pedaling now. 1st or bust for Temple for you
