(08-20-2019 04:56 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  No,no no. North Texas is an after thought in Dallas. They have no coverage in the local news and Denton is not what I would call a college town.

I beg to differ. Seems crawling with Mean Green fans.

(08-20-2019 11:06 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:50 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:02 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Moved in a relative to UNT’s campus this past weekend, and after a few years since my last visit I have to say it’s grown a lot and they have certainly been improving all of their facilities.

Stadium still looks great think it was in 2011 or so they built it. UH had the record crowd for it for awhile not sure if that stands.

What’s new is they have an IPF and look like they’re upgrading basketball as well.

Denton is probably the closest thing other than Greenville to a college town in the AAC and I think when Houston plays UNT next month a lot of American fans will be surprised at the support behind the mean green.

I actually would have added them before Tulsa/Tulane but I suppose markets had more to do with that than programs and investment.

They’d be natural rivals for UH and SMU and if the AAC plans on moving to DFW don’t see how having another large public with almost 40k enrollment and nice facilities could hurt. UNT has decent market share in the Dallas area everyone knows of them they’re just rarely good but that could change, they’re no worse than UConn is, actually quite a bit better, and like I said it’s an actual college town with decent support.

Side note: Underpass before their campus off I-35 has a big eagle seal that lights up at night neon green.. perks of being in a college town your city actually cares about marketing you. UH just has the generic green sign “Cullen Blvd University of houston exit only” or something.


Boy I’m tired of offseason.

Like to offer a state flagship first. Academic snobbery has a certain appeal.

Are there any state flagships left that aren't in frozen wastelands?

Virginia - seat's taken
West Virginia - seat's taken
North Carolina - seat's taken
South Carolina - seat's taken
Georgia - seat's taken
Florida - seat's taken
Mississippi - seat's taken
Louisiana - "You can sit here if you like"..."No!"
Texas - seat's taken
Arkansas - seat's taken
Tennessee - seat's taken
Missouri - seat's taken
Kentucky - seat's taken
Oklahoma - seat's taken
Colorado - seat's taken
Kansas - seat's taken and we don't want to sit with them because they are embarrassing

You thinking....Wyoming? New Mexico?

Connecticut

Just kidding. Rhode Island is available.

(08-20-2019 11:06 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:50 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:02 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Moved in a relative to UNT’s campus this past weekend, and after a few years since my last visit I have to say it’s grown a lot and they have certainly been improving all of their facilities.

Stadium still looks great think it was in 2011 or so they built it. UH had the record crowd for it for awhile not sure if that stands.

What’s new is they have an IPF and look like they’re upgrading basketball as well.

Denton is probably the closest thing other than Greenville to a college town in the AAC and I think when Houston plays UNT next month a lot of American fans will be surprised at the support behind the mean green.

I actually would have added them before Tulsa/Tulane but I suppose markets had more to do with that than programs and investment.

They’d be natural rivals for UH and SMU and if the AAC plans on moving to DFW don’t see how having another large public with almost 40k enrollment and nice facilities could hurt. UNT has decent market share in the Dallas area everyone knows of them they’re just rarely good but that could change, they’re no worse than UConn is, actually quite a bit better, and like I said it’s an actual college town with decent support.

Side note: Underpass before their campus off I-35 has a big eagle seal that lights up at night neon green.. perks of being in a college town your city actually cares about marketing you. UH just has the generic green sign “Cullen Blvd University of houston exit only” or something.


Boy I’m tired of offseason.

Like to offer a state flagship first. Academic snobbery has a certain appeal.

Are there any state flagships left that aren't in frozen wastelands?

Virginia - seat's taken
West Virginia - seat's taken
North Carolina - seat's taken
South Carolina - seat's taken
Georgia - seat's taken
Florida - seat's taken
Mississippi - seat's taken
Louisiana - "You can sit here if you like"..."No!"
Texas - seat's taken
Arkansas - seat's taken
Tennessee - seat's taken
Missouri - seat's taken
Kentucky - seat's taken
Oklahoma - seat's taken
Colorado - seat's taken
Kansas - seat's taken and we don't want to sit with them because they are embarrassing

You thinking....Wyoming? New Mexico?

Nevada, Hawaii, Wyoming and New Mexico.
Only Hawaii is truly Hot weather.
Seen enough New Mexico Bowl games in blizzards highlights to know Albuquerque ain’t Phoenix and I personally know it’s gets damn cold in Reno, Nevada and Laramie, Wyoming.

(08-19-2019 11:02 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Moved in a relative to UNT’s campus this past weekend, and after a few years since my last visit I have to say it’s grown a lot and they have certainly been improving all of their facilities.

Stadium still looks great think it was in 2011 or so they built it. UH had the record crowd for it for awhile not sure if that stands.

What’s new is they have an IPF and look like they’re upgrading basketball as well.

Denton is probably the closest thing other than Greenville to a college town in the AAC and I think when Houston plays UNT next month a lot of American fans will be surprised at the support behind the mean green.

I actually would have added them before Tulsa/Tulane but I suppose markets had more to do with that than programs and investment.

They’d be natural rivals for UH and SMU and if the AAC plans on moving to DFW don’t see how having another large public with almost 40k enrollment and nice facilities could hurt. UNT has decent market share in the Dallas area everyone knows of them they’re just rarely good but that could change, they’re no worse than UConn is, actually quite a bit better, and like I said it’s an actual college town with decent support.

Side note: Underpass before their campus off I-35 has a big eagle seal that lights up at night neon green.. perks of being in a college town your city actually cares about marketing you. UH just has the generic green sign “Cullen Blvd University of houston exit only” or something.


Boy I’m tired of offseason.

What an interesting thread to find. I'm glad you enjoyed your time in Denton, and I hope you make it back for the Houston game on Sept. 28.

Houston did have the record, but the record was broken twice last season. First against SMU, and then against LA Tech. North Texas unveiled the Mean Joe Greene statue before that game, and there were several Hall of Fame jackets in attendance. But, I expect the record to fall this season when we play Houston. If you plan on attending, you should buy your tickets early, or you may not get any.

(08-20-2019 11:19 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  We could just trade SMU for North Texas. Larger school. They just need to improve basketball facilities.

While I think the Super Pit is a nice venue, I agree it is beginning to look dated. North Texas is currently renovating some aspects of the Super Pit, like installing an new court, and redeveloping the exterior.



Like other aspects of our athletics, North Texas is not remaining stagnant. A new basketball arena is in the works. We just have other projects that are in line ahead of that. Once our IPF is finished this fall, UNT will focus on doubling the size of our athletic center. The expansion will include a new academic center, 2 new weight rooms, offices, a new larger football locker room, and new south end zone facade, with Apogee video boards.

After that project, North Texas will begin construction of a new tailgating lot. The new area will provide over 600 tailgating spaces, and include restrooms, concessions, concert space, and be expandable to over 900 spaces. This lot is a separate addition to the current "Hill" tailgating location.

Once the tailgating project is finished, then UNT will focus on building a new basketball arena. The venue will seat between 6,000-7,000 fans for basketball, with lower-bowl and upper-deck seating. There will be premium club, loge and suite seating. The facility will include two basketball practice courts and a volleyball facility with 1,000 retractable seats. Once the new basketball arena is done, then North Texas plans to build a ballpark for baseball.

North Texas is busy with several construction projects, but moving quickly to improve our facilities, and meet the standards needed to attract the highest quality recruits available.

Your loss to houston this year wont sting so bad when we’re a top 10 team coming in

(08-20-2019 08:57 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Your loss to houston this year wont sting so bad when we’re a top 10 team coming in

If you come in as a Top 10 team and you lose... You probably wont survive this message board. The AAC board will overload with Coug'd It jokes.

(08-20-2019 04:56 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  No,no no. North Texas is an after thought in Dallas. They have no coverage in the local news and Denton is not what I would call a college town.

You've redeemed the ECU fanbase after some boneheaded comments by your brethren.

(08-20-2019 04:56 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  No,no no. North Texas is an after thought in Dallas. They have no coverage in the local news and Denton is not what I would call a college town.

It’s a program that moved up in the 90s and didn’t really play any real noticeable regional games until they joined CUSA a couple years back and that’s being generous. Prior to that I don’t think they shared a league with any FBS school in-state since moving up and the closest schools just outside of Texas like ULM and Arkansas State were recent move ups as well or not really known FBS teams like NMSU.

They technically were FBS back before 83 but weren’t really visible on tv or as a major program.


That lack of historical brand or awareness is not the norm in the AAC and it really hurts the market share. Recent move ups like Boise and UCF did a lot for themselves by winning big. UNT has yet to do so.

The AAC is a bunch of the best and most known non-P5’s east of the mountain time zone who also have an FBS history that goes way back. Everyone except the Florida twins has a loooooooooong history at the FBS level and a notable history specifically in their region.

Navy speaks for itself in terms of name ID and has a really old school history of nationally relevant football pre-Vietnam war.

SMU played SWC ball for 80+ years facing other Texas schools and Arkansas

UH was a prominent independent for a long time before two decades in the SWC

Tulane was a prominent independent after decades in the SEC facing schools all over the south. Their stadium hosted the original Sugar Bowl.

Memphis has been FBS forever with time in the Mo Valley and as a prominent independent prior to CUSA. They also have a history with Ole Miss and MSU that spans over 100 games and another 20 or so Vs the vols.

Tulsa has over 170 games against OU, OSU, and Arkansas.

ECU has history of over 110 games against UNC, NcState, South Carolina, VT, and WVU.

Cincinnati has over 100 games against Louisville and Ohio. Cincy has over 120 against Miami of Ohio to go with 50 combined against WVU and Kentucky too.

Temple had a solidly long history with the old Big East and also had 45 games against Penn State. They have a longish history with basically any historical eastern brand with any cachet since 1960.

UConn was another exception like the Florida schools but had hoops affiliation helping.



What schools outside the P5 and AAC have a long term FBS history that goes back before the 90’s at least?

New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado State
Wyoming
Fresno State
Hawaii
San Diego State
San Jose State

Rice
UTEP
Southern Miss

ULL

BYU
Army
NMSU

Akron (1987)
Ball State
Bowling green
CMU
EMU
Miami Ohio
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Kent State
WMU

(08-14-2019 02:54 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 01:50 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  I am of the opinion that ESPN is smart with their money and understands that the AAC (A contract they now own at an affordable rate for 12 years) is something they want to bolster. If they can use their leverage to get a combination of BYU/Army/Airforce/Boise/SDSU in a way that makes sense to add additional AAC timeslots/markets/brands in a way that clearly results in the AAC becoming more marketable as the true tweener/P6, ESPN is doing it.

Why pay $20-$30 mil to the MWC when you could 3 of the best properties from their time zone in the AAC and still have those time slots? Keep in mind that ESPN is tied in with bowl contracts for the playoffs. If playoff expansion goes to 8, ESPN has the most to gain financially making sure the AAC is defacto a part of it every year. It increases the value of every game they own in a 12 year contract. All of this ramblings is just a hunch, but don't discredit the thought of ESPN getting involved in realignment. They have a huge incentive to work for the betterment of the AAC right now.

ESPN has the MWC even cheaper (handing them Boise, Fresno, AFA, Nevada) and has BYU playing late night games against mostly western opponents in both football and hoops. That’s a tough tv slot to fill and there’s no guarantees that all 3 don’t have an overlapping down year. Propping up both the MWC and AAC also can prevent the mostly FBS newcomer since 1990 CUSA/Sun Belt teams and the lower interest MAC from getting that access spot which makes a difference in viewership.

The last thing they want is a team with some name ID or brand like Boise, Houston, SMU, USF, UCF, BYU, or Cincy taking each other out and paving an easy route for them to have to include ULM, Eastern Michigan, South Alabama, Charlotte, or MTSU who don’t really have a ton of name recognition with your casual viewing fan. Having it a de-facto AAC or MWC with a 10-20% lower chance of MAC/CUSA/SBC is a win for them.

(08-20-2019 09:57 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 08:57 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Your loss to houston this year wont sting so bad when we’re a top 10 team coming in

If you come in as a Top 10 team and you lose... You probably wont survive this message board. The AAC board will overload with Coug'd It jokes.

Only Washington State can Coug it, an hopefully that happens September 13.

(08-20-2019 10:21 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  [quote='baruna falls' pid='16246246' dateline='1566338161']
No,no no. North Texas is an after thought in Dallas. They have no coverage in the local news and Denton is not what I would call a college town.

You've redeemed the ECU fanbase after some boneheaded comments by your

I find these threads funny and have no idea how anyone with any football savy would think North Texas is a good add, especially by dropping SmU, just wow.

Until recently North Texas went a decade without a winning season in football, a decade. That's why this thread is hilarious. We would take a huge hit in perception with North Texas,no thanks.

UNT fans aren't too bad, but their fight song was written by Nickelback so that should DQ them

(08-21-2019 09:26 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  UNT fans aren't too bad, but their fight song was written by Nickelback so that should DQ them

For real?

This thread needs more Kathy Ireland pics....


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(08-20-2019 10:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 04:56 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  No,no no. North Texas is an after thought in Dallas. They have no coverage in the local news and Denton is not what I would call a college town.

It’s a program that moved up in the 90s and didn’t really play any real noticeable regional games until they joined CUSA a couple years back and that’s being generous. Prior to that I don’t think they shared a league with any FBS school in-state since moving up and the closest schools just outside of Texas like ULM and Arkansas State were recent move ups as well or not really known FBS teams like NMSU.

They technically were FBS back before 83 but weren’t really visible on tv or as a major program.


That lack of historical brand or awareness is not the norm in the AAC and it really hurts the market share. Recent move ups like Boise and UCF did a lot for themselves by winning big. UNT has yet to do so.

The AAC is a bunch of the best and most known non-P5’s east of the mountain time zone who also have an FBS history that goes way back. Everyone except the Florida twins has a loooooooooong history at the FBS level and a notable history specifically in their region.

Navy speaks for itself in terms of name ID and has a really old school history of nationally relevant football pre-Vietnam war.

SMU played SWC ball for 80+ years facing other Texas schools and Arkansas

UH was a prominent independent for a long time before two decades in the SWC

Tulane was a prominent independent after decades in the SEC facing schools all over the south. Their stadium hosted the original Sugar Bowl.

Memphis has been FBS forever with time in the Mo Valley and as a prominent independent prior to CUSA. They also have a history with Ole Miss and MSU that spans over 100 games and another 20 or so Vs the vols.

Tulsa has over 170 games against OU, OSU, and Arkansas.

ECU has history of over 110 games against UNC, NcState, South Carolina, VT, and WVU.

Cincinnati has over 100 games against Louisville and Ohio. Cincy has over 120 against Miami of Ohio to go with 50 combined against WVU and Kentucky too.

Temple had a solidly long history with the old Big East and also had 45 games against Penn State. They have a longish history with basically any historical eastern brand with any cachet since 1960.

UConn was another exception like the Florida schools but had hoops affiliation helping.



What schools outside the P5 and AAC have a long term FBS history that goes back before the 90’s at least?

New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado State
Wyoming
Fresno State
Hawaii
San Diego State
San Jose State

Rice
UTEP
Southern Miss

ULL

BYU
Army
NMSU

Akron (1987)
Ball State
Bowling green
CMU
EMU
Miami Ohio
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Kent State
WMU

I'm not debating that our recent history prior to a few years ago was rough, but to say we don't have long term FBS history is a bit misleading. We have played 118 games against current AAC membership. 77 against the Big 12, 50 against the SEC. We have 77 NFL draft picks and 25 conference championships. And despite struggling for much of 2005-2015, we still have an all time winning record of 516-506. We only spent 12ish years at the FCS level and have been playing football since 1913.

(08-21-2019 03:19 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 10:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 04:56 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  No,no no. North Texas is an after thought in Dallas. They have no coverage in the local news and Denton is not what I would call a college town.

It’s a program that moved up in the 90s and didn’t really play any real noticeable regional games until they joined CUSA a couple years back and that’s being generous. Prior to that I don’t think they shared a league with any FBS school in-state since moving up and the closest schools just outside of Texas like ULM and Arkansas State were recent move ups as well or not really known FBS teams like NMSU.

They technically were FBS back before 83 but weren’t really visible on tv or as a major program.


That lack of historical brand or awareness is not the norm in the AAC and it really hurts the market share. Recent move ups like Boise and UCF did a lot for themselves by winning big. UNT has yet to do so.

The AAC is a bunch of the best and most known non-P5’s east of the mountain time zone who also have an FBS history that goes way back. Everyone except the Florida twins has a loooooooooong history at the FBS level and a notable history specifically in their region.

Navy speaks for itself in terms of name ID and has a really old school history of nationally relevant football pre-Vietnam war.

SMU played SWC ball for 80+ years facing other Texas schools and Arkansas

UH was a prominent independent for a long time before two decades in the SWC

Tulane was a prominent independent after decades in the SEC facing schools all over the south. Their stadium hosted the original Sugar Bowl.

Memphis has been FBS forever with time in the Mo Valley and as a prominent independent prior to CUSA. They also have a history with Ole Miss and MSU that spans over 100 games and another 20 or so Vs the vols.

Tulsa has over 170 games against OU, OSU, and Arkansas.

ECU has history of over 110 games against UNC, NcState, South Carolina, VT, and WVU.

Cincinnati has over 100 games against Louisville and Ohio. Cincy has over 120 against Miami of Ohio to go with 50 combined against WVU and Kentucky too.

Temple had a solidly long history with the old Big East and also had 45 games against Penn State. They have a longish history with basically any historical eastern brand with any cachet since 1960.

UConn was another exception like the Florida schools but had hoops affiliation helping.



What schools outside the P5 and AAC have a long term FBS history that goes back before the 90’s at least?

New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado State
Wyoming
Fresno State
Hawaii
San Diego State
San Jose State

Rice
UTEP
Southern Miss

ULL

BYU
Army
NMSU

Akron (1987)
Ball State
Bowling green
CMU
EMU
Miami Ohio
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Kent State
WMU

I'm not debating that our recent history prior to a few years ago was rough, but to say we don't have long term FBS history is a bit misleading. We have played 118 games against current AAC membership. 77 against the Big 12, 50 against the SEC. We have 77 NFL draft picks and 25 conference championships. And despite struggling for much of 2005-2015, we still have an all time winning record of 516-506. We only spent 12ish years at the FCS level and have been playing football since 1913.

My larger point is brand awareness.

During all that history you have exactly 52 games (less than a game a year) against the old SWC teams, OU, OSU, or LSU from the end of WWII until you moved up. That carried every “power” program in-state or in a bordering state and an 11.5% win percentage. That didn’t really bring much attention. It’s a far cry from the regional brands that the AAC currently has. UNt has improved a ton though so don’t think I’m taking shots at you. It’s just the reality of who you played and how visible it was to the rank and file fan.

(08-21-2019 03:39 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:19 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 10:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 04:56 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  No,no no. North Texas is an after thought in Dallas. They have no coverage in the local news and Denton is not what I would call a college town.

It’s a program that moved up in the 90s and didn’t really play any real noticeable regional games until they joined CUSA a couple years back and that’s being generous. Prior to that I don’t think they shared a league with any FBS school in-state since moving up and the closest schools just outside of Texas like ULM and Arkansas State were recent move ups as well or not really known FBS teams like NMSU.

They technically were FBS back before 83 but weren’t really visible on tv or as a major program.


That lack of historical brand or awareness is not the norm in the AAC and it really hurts the market share. Recent move ups like Boise and UCF did a lot for themselves by winning big. UNT has yet to do so.

The AAC is a bunch of the best and most known non-P5’s east of the mountain time zone who also have an FBS history that goes way back. Everyone except the Florida twins has a loooooooooong history at the FBS level and a notable history specifically in their region.

Navy speaks for itself in terms of name ID and has a really old school history of nationally relevant football pre-Vietnam war.

SMU played SWC ball for 80+ years facing other Texas schools and Arkansas

UH was a prominent independent for a long time before two decades in the SWC

Tulane was a prominent independent after decades in the SEC facing schools all over the south. Their stadium hosted the original Sugar Bowl.

Memphis has been FBS forever with time in the Mo Valley and as a prominent independent prior to CUSA. They also have a history with Ole Miss and MSU that spans over 100 games and another 20 or so Vs the vols.

Tulsa has over 170 games against OU, OSU, and Arkansas.

ECU has history of over 110 games against UNC, NcState, South Carolina, VT, and WVU.

Cincinnati has over 100 games against Louisville and Ohio. Cincy has over 120 against Miami of Ohio to go with 50 combined against WVU and Kentucky too.

Temple had a solidly long history with the old Big East and also had 45 games against Penn State. They have a longish history with basically any historical eastern brand with any cachet since 1960.

UConn was another exception like the Florida schools but had hoops affiliation helping.



What schools outside the P5 and AAC have a long term FBS history that goes back before the 90’s at least?

New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado State
Wyoming
Fresno State
Hawaii
San Diego State
San Jose State

Rice
UTEP
Southern Miss

ULL

BYU
Army
NMSU

Akron (1987)
Ball State
Bowling green
CMU
EMU
Miami Ohio
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Kent State
WMU

I'm not debating that our recent history prior to a few years ago was rough, but to say we don't have long term FBS history is a bit misleading. We have played 118 games against current AAC membership. 77 against the Big 12, 50 against the SEC. We have 77 NFL draft picks and 25 conference championships. And despite struggling for much of 2005-2015, we still have an all time winning record of 516-506. We only spent 12ish years at the FCS level and have been playing football since 1913.

My larger point is brand awareness.

During all that history you have exactly 52 games (less than a game a year) against the old SWC teams, OU, OSU, or LSU from the end of WWII until you moved up. That carried every “power” program in-state or in a bordering state and an 11.5% win percentage. That didn’t really bring much attention. It’s a far cry from the regional brands that the AAC currently has. UNt has improved a ton though so don’t think I’m taking shots at you. It’s just the reality of who you played and how visible it was to the rank and file fan.

That's fair. I think the brand awareness is trending up fast, but there is no doubt that UNT has flown under the radar for pretty much forever. We need more high profile YouTube moments like the Arkansas punt return to continue to build the brand.

Unfortunately CUSA leadership allowed Facebook games to pick before NFL Network this year, otherwise the UNT-Houston game would have been great TV. Especially if the teams came in undefeated, having won their P5 games.

(08-19-2019 11:50 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:02 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Moved in a relative to UNT’s campus this past weekend, and after a few years since my last visit I have to say it’s grown a lot and they have certainly been improving all of their facilities.

Stadium still looks great think it was in 2011 or so they built it. UH had the record crowd for it for awhile not sure if that stands.

What’s new is they have an IPF and look like they’re upgrading basketball as well.

Denton is probably the closest thing other than Greenville to a college town in the AAC and I think when Houston plays UNT next month a lot of American fans will be surprised at the support behind the mean green.

I actually would have added them before Tulsa/Tulane but I suppose markets had more to do with that than programs and investment.

They’d be natural rivals for UH and SMU and if the AAC plans on moving to DFW don’t see how having another large public with almost 40k enrollment and nice facilities could hurt. UNT has decent market share in the Dallas area everyone knows of them they’re just rarely good but that could change, they’re no worse than UConn is, actually quite a bit better, and like I said it’s an actual college town with decent support.

Side note: Underpass before their campus off I-35 has a big eagle seal that lights up at night neon green.. perks of being in a college town your city actually cares about marketing you. UH just has the generic green sign “Cullen Blvd University of houston exit only” or something.


Boy I’m tired of offseason.

Like to offer a state flagship first. Academic snobbery has a certain appeal.

Not many state flagships left from which to choose, and Connecticut is off the table. Which other one(s) would appeal to you in terms of academic snobbery -- Nevada, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Hawai'i, Delaware, Wyoming, New York...?

(08-21-2019 04:46 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:50 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:02 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Moved in a relative to UNT’s campus this past weekend, and after a few years since my last visit I have to say it’s grown a lot and they have certainly been improving all of their facilities.

Stadium still looks great think it was in 2011 or so they built it. UH had the record crowd for it for awhile not sure if that stands.

What’s new is they have an IPF and look like they’re upgrading basketball as well.

Denton is probably the closest thing other than Greenville to a college town in the AAC and I think when Houston plays UNT next month a lot of American fans will be surprised at the support behind the mean green.

I actually would have added them before Tulsa/Tulane but I suppose markets had more to do with that than programs and investment.

They’d be natural rivals for UH and SMU and if the AAC plans on moving to DFW don’t see how having another large public with almost 40k enrollment and nice facilities could hurt. UNT has decent market share in the Dallas area everyone knows of them they’re just rarely good but that could change, they’re no worse than UConn is, actually quite a bit better, and like I said it’s an actual college town with decent support.

Side note: Underpass before their campus off I-35 has a big eagle seal that lights up at night neon green.. perks of being in a college town your city actually cares about marketing you. UH just has the generic green sign “Cullen Blvd University of houston exit only” or something.


Boy I’m tired of offseason.

Like to offer a state flagship first. Academic snobbery has a certain appeal.

Not many state flagships left from which to choose, and Connecticut is off the table. Which other one(s) would appeal to you in terms of academic snobbery -- Nevada, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alaska, Hawai'i, Delaware, Wyoming, New York...?

See Post #31.

(08-21-2019 04:01 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:39 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:19 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 10:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 04:56 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  No,no no. North Texas is an after thought in Dallas. They have no coverage in the local news and Denton is not what I would call a college town.

It’s a program that moved up in the 90s and didn’t really play any real noticeable regional games until they joined CUSA a couple years back and that’s being generous. Prior to that I don’t think they shared a league with any FBS school in-state since moving up and the closest schools just outside of Texas like ULM and Arkansas State were recent move ups as well or not really known FBS teams like NMSU.

They technically were FBS back before 83 but weren’t really visible on tv or as a major program.


That lack of historical brand or awareness is not the norm in the AAC and it really hurts the market share. Recent move ups like Boise and UCF did a lot for themselves by winning big. UNT has yet to do so.

The AAC is a bunch of the best and most known non-P5’s east of the mountain time zone who also have an FBS history that goes way back. Everyone except the Florida twins has a loooooooooong history at the FBS level and a notable history specifically in their region.

Navy speaks for itself in terms of name ID and has a really old school history of nationally relevant football pre-Vietnam war.

SMU played SWC ball for 80+ years facing other Texas schools and Arkansas

UH was a prominent independent for a long time before two decades in the SWC

Tulane was a prominent independent after decades in the SEC facing schools all over the south. Their stadium hosted the original Sugar Bowl.

Memphis has been FBS forever with time in the Mo Valley and as a prominent independent prior to CUSA. They also have a history with Ole Miss and MSU that spans over 100 games and another 20 or so Vs the vols.

Tulsa has over 170 games against OU, OSU, and Arkansas.

ECU has history of over 110 games against UNC, NcState, South Carolina, VT, and WVU.

Cincinnati has over 100 games against Louisville and Ohio. Cincy has over 120 against Miami of Ohio to go with 50 combined against WVU and Kentucky too.

Temple had a solidly long history with the old Big East and also had 45 games against Penn State. They have a longish history with basically any historical eastern brand with any cachet since 1960.

UConn was another exception like the Florida schools but had hoops affiliation helping.



What schools outside the P5 and AAC have a long term FBS history that goes back before the 90’s at least?

New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado State
Wyoming
Fresno State
Hawaii
San Diego State
San Jose State

Rice
UTEP
Southern Miss

ULL

BYU
Army
NMSU

Akron (1987)
Ball State
Bowling green
CMU
EMU
Miami Ohio
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Kent State
WMU

I'm not debating that our recent history prior to a few years ago was rough, but to say we don't have long term FBS history is a bit misleading. We have played 118 games against current AAC membership. 77 against the Big 12, 50 against the SEC. We have 77 NFL draft picks and 25 conference championships. And despite struggling for much of 2005-2015, we still have an all time winning record of 516-506. We only spent 12ish years at the FCS level and have been playing football since 1913.

My larger point is brand awareness.

During all that history you have exactly 52 games (less than a game a year) against the old SWC teams, OU, OSU, or LSU from the end of WWII until you moved up. That carried every “power” program in-state or in a bordering state and an 11.5% win percentage. That didn’t really bring much attention. It’s a far cry from the regional brands that the AAC currently has. UNt has improved a ton though so don’t think I’m taking shots at you. It’s just the reality of who you played and how visible it was to the rank and file fan.

That's fair. I think the brand awareness is trending up fast, but there is no doubt that UNT has flown under the radar for pretty much forever. We need more high profile YouTube moments like the Arkansas punt return to continue to build the brand.

Unfortunately CUSA leadership allowed Facebook games to pick before NFL Network this year, otherwise the UNT-Houston game would have been great TV. Especially if the teams came in undefeated, having won their P5 games.

Wait.. you’re telling me our game next month is going to be available on Facebook only? Not even an espn 3 or something?