(08-21-2019 05:41 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 04:01 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:39 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:19 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 10:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  It’s a program that moved up in the 90s and didn’t really play any real noticeable regional games until they joined CUSA a couple years back and that’s being generous. Prior to that I don’t think they shared a league with any FBS school in-state since moving up and the closest schools just outside of Texas like ULM and Arkansas State were recent move ups as well or not really known FBS teams like NMSU.

They technically were FBS back before 83 but weren’t really visible on tv or as a major program.


That lack of historical brand or awareness is not the norm in the AAC and it really hurts the market share. Recent move ups like Boise and UCF did a lot for themselves by winning big. UNT has yet to do so.

The AAC is a bunch of the best and most known non-P5’s east of the mountain time zone who also have an FBS history that goes way back. Everyone except the Florida twins has a loooooooooong history at the FBS level and a notable history specifically in their region.

Navy speaks for itself in terms of name ID and has a really old school history of nationally relevant football pre-Vietnam war.

SMU played SWC ball for 80+ years facing other Texas schools and Arkansas

UH was a prominent independent for a long time before two decades in the SWC

Tulane was a prominent independent after decades in the SEC facing schools all over the south. Their stadium hosted the original Sugar Bowl.

Memphis has been FBS forever with time in the Mo Valley and as a prominent independent prior to CUSA. They also have a history with Ole Miss and MSU that spans over 100 games and another 20 or so Vs the vols.

Tulsa has over 170 games against OU, OSU, and Arkansas.

ECU has history of over 110 games against UNC, NcState, South Carolina, VT, and WVU.

Cincinnati has over 100 games against Louisville and Ohio. Cincy has over 120 against Miami of Ohio to go with 50 combined against WVU and Kentucky too.

Temple had a solidly long history with the old Big East and also had 45 games against Penn State. They have a longish history with basically any historical eastern brand with any cachet since 1960.

UConn was another exception like the Florida schools but had hoops affiliation helping.



What schools outside the P5 and AAC have a long term FBS history that goes back before the 90’s at least?

New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado State
Wyoming
Fresno State
Hawaii
San Diego State
San Jose State

Rice
UTEP
Southern Miss

ULL

BYU
Army
NMSU

Akron (1987)
Ball State
Bowling green
CMU
EMU
Miami Ohio
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Kent State
WMU

I'm not debating that our recent history prior to a few years ago was rough, but to say we don't have long term FBS history is a bit misleading. We have played 118 games against current AAC membership. 77 against the Big 12, 50 against the SEC. We have 77 NFL draft picks and 25 conference championships. And despite struggling for much of 2005-2015, we still have an all time winning record of 516-506. We only spent 12ish years at the FCS level and have been playing football since 1913.

My larger point is brand awareness.

During all that history you have exactly 52 games (less than a game a year) against the old SWC teams, OU, OSU, or LSU from the end of WWII until you moved up. That carried every “power” program in-state or in a bordering state and an 11.5% win percentage. That didn’t really bring much attention. It’s a far cry from the regional brands that the AAC currently has. UNt has improved a ton though so don’t think I’m taking shots at you. It’s just the reality of who you played and how visible it was to the rank and file fan.

That's fair. I think the brand awareness is trending up fast, but there is no doubt that UNT has flown under the radar for pretty much forever. We need more high profile YouTube moments like the Arkansas punt return to continue to build the brand.

Unfortunately CUSA leadership allowed Facebook games to pick before NFL Network this year, otherwise the UNT-Houston game would have been great TV. Especially if the teams came in undefeated, having won their P5 games.

Wait.. you’re telling me our game next month is going to be available on Facebook only? Not even an espn 3 or something?

Yup. Same as our game at UTSA last fall.

http://www.mattsarzsports.com/Contract/G...V3S1hZOmEc

CUSAs deal makes it tough to catch the typical college football viewer.

Their most accessible cable channels are CBS Sports and NFL network. CBS Sports has 52% of US pay tv homes and NFL is in 61.7%.

Compare to ESPN in 93% and you see the issue.

Then they have stadium which is mostly digital but has a cable element to it. They sublicense games to Facebook.

Internet ESPN3 broadcasts and the subscription model ESPN+ bring up the rear.

It’s a deal that does a decent job making all games available with some planning but the brand exposure is really limited. The casual fan isn’t going to see most of these games.

(08-21-2019 05:41 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 04:01 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:39 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:19 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-20-2019 10:53 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  It’s a program that moved up in the 90s and didn’t really play any real noticeable regional games until they joined CUSA a couple years back and that’s being generous. Prior to that I don’t think they shared a league with any FBS school in-state since moving up and the closest schools just outside of Texas like ULM and Arkansas State were recent move ups as well or not really known FBS teams like NMSU.

They technically were FBS back before 83 but weren’t really visible on tv or as a major program.


That lack of historical brand or awareness is not the norm in the AAC and it really hurts the market share. Recent move ups like Boise and UCF did a lot for themselves by winning big. UNT has yet to do so.

The AAC is a bunch of the best and most known non-P5’s east of the mountain time zone who also have an FBS history that goes way back. Everyone except the Florida twins has a loooooooooong history at the FBS level and a notable history specifically in their region.

Navy speaks for itself in terms of name ID and has a really old school history of nationally relevant football pre-Vietnam war.

SMU played SWC ball for 80+ years facing other Texas schools and Arkansas

UH was a prominent independent for a long time before two decades in the SWC

Tulane was a prominent independent after decades in the SEC facing schools all over the south. Their stadium hosted the original Sugar Bowl.

Memphis has been FBS forever with time in the Mo Valley and as a prominent independent prior to CUSA. They also have a history with Ole Miss and MSU that spans over 100 games and another 20 or so Vs the vols.

Tulsa has over 170 games against OU, OSU, and Arkansas.

ECU has history of over 110 games against UNC, NcState, South Carolina, VT, and WVU.

Cincinnati has over 100 games against Louisville and Ohio. Cincy has over 120 against Miami of Ohio to go with 50 combined against WVU and Kentucky too.

Temple had a solidly long history with the old Big East and also had 45 games against Penn State. They have a longish history with basically any historical eastern brand with any cachet since 1960.

UConn was another exception like the Florida schools but had hoops affiliation helping.



What schools outside the P5 and AAC have a long term FBS history that goes back before the 90’s at least?

New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado State
Wyoming
Fresno State
Hawaii
San Diego State
San Jose State

Rice
UTEP
Southern Miss

ULL

BYU
Army
NMSU

Akron (1987)
Ball State
Bowling green
CMU
EMU
Miami Ohio
Northern Illinois
Ohio
Toledo
Kent State
WMU

I'm not debating that our recent history prior to a few years ago was rough, but to say we don't have long term FBS history is a bit misleading. We have played 118 games against current AAC membership. 77 against the Big 12, 50 against the SEC. We have 77 NFL draft picks and 25 conference championships. And despite struggling for much of 2005-2015, we still have an all time winning record of 516-506. We only spent 12ish years at the FCS level and have been playing football since 1913.

My larger point is brand awareness.

During all that history you have exactly 52 games (less than a game a year) against the old SWC teams, OU, OSU, or LSU from the end of WWII until you moved up. That carried every “power” program in-state or in a bordering state and an 11.5% win percentage. That didn’t really bring much attention. It’s a far cry from the regional brands that the AAC currently has. UNt has improved a ton though so don’t think I’m taking shots at you. It’s just the reality of who you played and how visible it was to the rank and file fan.

That's fair. I think the brand awareness is trending up fast, but there is no doubt that UNT has flown under the radar for pretty much forever. We need more high profile YouTube moments like the Arkansas punt return to continue to build the brand.

Unfortunately CUSA leadership allowed Facebook games to pick before NFL Network this year, otherwise the UNT-Houston game would have been great TV. Especially if the teams came in undefeated, having won their P5 games.

Wait.. you’re telling me our game next month is going to be available on Facebook only? Not even an espn 3 or something?

I bet it’s on ESPN +


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(08-21-2019 08:09 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 05:41 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 04:01 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:39 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:19 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  I'm not debating that our recent history prior to a few years ago was rough, but to say we don't have long term FBS history is a bit misleading. We have played 118 games against current AAC membership. 77 against the Big 12, 50 against the SEC. We have 77 NFL draft picks and 25 conference championships. And despite struggling for much of 2005-2015, we still have an all time winning record of 516-506. We only spent 12ish years at the FCS level and have been playing football since 1913.

My larger point is brand awareness.

During all that history you have exactly 52 games (less than a game a year) against the old SWC teams, OU, OSU, or LSU from the end of WWII until you moved up. That carried every “power” program in-state or in a bordering state and an 11.5% win percentage. That didn’t really bring much attention. It’s a far cry from the regional brands that the AAC currently has. UNt has improved a ton though so don’t think I’m taking shots at you. It’s just the reality of who you played and how visible it was to the rank and file fan.

That's fair. I think the brand awareness is trending up fast, but there is no doubt that UNT has flown under the radar for pretty much forever. We need more high profile YouTube moments like the Arkansas punt return to continue to build the brand.

Unfortunately CUSA leadership allowed Facebook games to pick before NFL Network this year, otherwise the UNT-Houston game would have been great TV. Especially if the teams came in undefeated, having won their P5 games.

Wait.. you’re telling me our game next month is going to be available on Facebook only? Not even an espn 3 or something?

I bet it’s on ESPN +


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Sadly, CBS has the game and not ESPN. And they used it to fill a Facebook slot. Not sure who is the bigger idiot: CUSA for allowing it, or CBS Sports for not putting it on the linear channel.

I'd be cool with it.

The only way UNT would have even a Lloyd Christmas chance would be if SMU was lobbying hard to add them as a quasi-cross town rival, or if SMU was dropping football (see Yukon).

So, no.

(08-23-2019 06:51 PM)UCF_SystemsEng Wrote:  The only way UNT would have even a Lloyd Christmas chance would be if SMU was lobbying hard to add them as a quasi-cross town rival, or if SMU was dropping football (see Yukon).

So, no.

I really don’t understand how you can be that snobby. UNT has more in common with UCF than anyone. 10 years ago no one knew who UCF was outside of Orlando UNT could easily have a breakout season

The Florida twins don’t want another Texas school, mybe they want a Florida school instead
Mybe everyone in the conference wants a school only from their state and who gives a sh*t what WSU says

(08-21-2019 10:02 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 08:09 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 05:41 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 04:01 PM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 03:39 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  My larger point is brand awareness.

During all that history you have exactly 52 games (less than a game a year) against the old SWC teams, OU, OSU, or LSU from the end of WWII until you moved up. That carried every “power” program in-state or in a bordering state and an 11.5% win percentage. That didn’t really bring much attention. It’s a far cry from the regional brands that the AAC currently has. UNt has improved a ton though so don’t think I’m taking shots at you. It’s just the reality of who you played and how visible it was to the rank and file fan.

That's fair. I think the brand awareness is trending up fast, but there is no doubt that UNT has flown under the radar for pretty much forever. We need more high profile YouTube moments like the Arkansas punt return to continue to build the brand.

Unfortunately CUSA leadership allowed Facebook games to pick before NFL Network this year, otherwise the UNT-Houston game would have been great TV. Especially if the teams came in undefeated, having won their P5 games.

Wait.. you’re telling me our game next month is going to be available on Facebook only? Not even an espn 3 or something?

I bet it’s on ESPN +


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Sadly, CBS has the game and not ESPN. And they used it to fill a Facebook slot. Not sure who is the bigger idiot: CUSA for allowing it, or CBS Sports for not putting it on the linear channel.

Looks like CBSSN has Colorado State at Utah State in the evening slot. I have no detailed knowledge about CBSSN contracts with mwc or CUSA, but it sure looks like relative conference strength in contract negotiations gives one of those priority. Needs to be factored into how P6 AAC schedules with G4s.

(08-20-2019 09:40 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  They can't possibly be any worse than UConn in football.

Not for it, but could live with it. Agree they have positives they would bring to table (as would a host of other programs).

My personal favorite from among the realistic candidates is Old Dominion. Their new stadium, while small, is very nice.

Perhaps re-kindle the old Sun Belt days, before either of y'all participated in football.

(08-20-2019 04:56 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  No,no no. North Texas is an after thought in Dallas. They have no coverage in the local news and Denton is not what I would call a college town.

As G5 programs go, the coverage of North Texas is better than most these days. I think most level headed people around DFW would acknowledge the fact that UNT is beginning to generate more local media interest. I know some of the local news and radio stations have reported on our fall camp and done interviews. If you personally don't want to conference with North Texas, that's fine. But, you could find a better excuse than the "after thought" narrative, which applies to every school playing in the shadow of the Dallas Cowboys.

From ESPN on August 19th.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...st-qb-know

From NBC Dallas on Aug. 15th.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/sports/Green...53451.html

(08-19-2019 11:50 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  Academic snobbery has a certain appeal.

Outside of Julliard and maybe a couple others, UNT probably has the most prestigious school of music in the US.

(08-20-2019 12:06 AM)vcoog Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:08 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 11:02 PM)vcoog Wrote:  They’d be natural rivals for UH and SMU

Hard pass.

Haha they’d turn SMU into Dallas’s version of rice.. but without the academic prestige and a smaller stadium.

TCU is going to stop playing you since they only have 3 non conference games so you might as well embrace your neighbors in Denton.

Btw I see the new indoor at smu too.. props for that it looks nice and fits well in the campus.

Don’t underestimate SMU. Since 2008 is really the only post-death penalty time they’ve had the institutional commitment to actually give their coaches a legit chance to succeed IMO. Since then their first two coaches were able to go bowling and Dykes almost did it last year. With their booster support they’ll be able to afford a lot too and they don’t have the academic handcuffs Rice does.

Basically outside of June Jones tanking the roster in 13-14 by bad effort in recruiting they’ve been pretty solid. There’s definitely more upside there than has been recently realized. They really are only one recruiting cycle since June cratered the roster right now.

I was looking for a thread to drop this construction project information and found this one. I must say, it's kind of funny to reread some of these pre-2021 expansion threads....



UNT should be announcing a new updated Master Plan as we prepare to kickoff the new football season. AD Wren Baker spoke regarding the delayed expansion of our athletic center, saying that COVID exposed unforeseen needs the original design did not contain. Those new accommodations have been worked into the new design. The new plan should provide a facility that will compare favorably with the best in the G5 as we continue to grow our athletic programs. The price of the athletic center renovation and expansion is expected be in the $40million range. I know the AAC holdovers really want to see us new additions invest. UNT will continue to build.

When the new master plan is unveiled, I'll be sure to post the link.

I hear they are joining SMU going to the SEC