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News out of Michigan camp...Andrew Stueber, the supposed RT starter for this season (Hudson's position) just suffered a suspected major knee injury.

(08-15-2019 12:29 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Growing up, I always thought it was, "Hang on, Stupid".

I thought it was a song about Charlie Brown's dog.

(08-15-2019 12:36 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  News out of Michigan camp...Andrew Stueber, the supposed RT starter for this season (Hudson's position) just suffered a suspected major knee injury.

I don't believe in karma but this is a very interesting coincidence...

I thought it was "Hang on Sloppy" and was referring to to$u coeds.

2:12 mark...

(08-15-2019 09:36 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  



2:12 mark...

I know I am biased, but the comparison of the two videos shows me that Luke was telling a fuller more accurate account of the transfer. Harbaugh spends much time equivocating his opinion "to his knowledge" and relying on the expertise of his compliance people. What a joke.

Fickell is a class act. Harbaugh is a clown. Case closed.

Question:
Is there a site out there or a published list that shows transfers by the "from" institution, and how many of those transfers out became eligible immediately?

We would need to be able to separate out the graduate transfers, but it might be revealing as to which institutions were helping their young men to make a move, and who was not helping.

I would think that helping those who look to transfer might be a positive factor for some recruits. Every school has transfer out kids. It would be good to know how the athletes are supported.

I get where Harbaugh points come from but it is so obvious he could’ve done more.

After listening to his press conference these are my thoughts:

First, these cases are handled by the two schools compliance departments and coaches aren’t suppose to really even be involved in the actual waiver process. Fair point, but we know all coaches are asked questions by the compliance and speak to each other as well.

Second, he stated all he was asked about by both Michigan Compliance and Fickell was strictly about the position switch and all he talks about is the practice conversation. He said you can compete wherever you want at Michigan, but advised a try out at O-line. James I guess tried it out and Harbaugh told him he’d be great at the position. Nothing more was told to either compliance and CLF.

It’s almost like he’s playing politics with the I only tell the truth and CLF was trying to coach him in to how to say it. He then was asked to elaborate how CLF told it and didn’t provide any details. He just kept going back to I believe in the truth. 100% agree, but what I think Fickell was going for is he could’ve spoken up more about James emotional reactions and what some of the causes were in the athletic report even though he wasn’t specifically asked.

**** him. Acted like Fickell was trying to tell him to change the story while IDK, but could guarantee he just wanted Harbaugh to provide further details and the effects he saw on the kid.

Harbaugh wanted no part in helping and handled probably less than 3 calls all under 5-10 mins answering the 1 straight forward question. CLF just wanted him to elaborate on the effects of that position switch and what ensued afterwards.

Case closed whatever. Harbaugh played politics and CLF tried his best.

(08-16-2019 08:27 AM)ucbandguy Wrote:  Question:
Is there a site out there or a published list that shows transfers by the "from" institution, and how many of those transfers out became eligible immediately?

We would need to be able to separate out the graduate transfers, but it might be revealing as to which institutions were helping their young men to make a move, and who was not helping.

I would think that helping those who look to transfer might be a positive factor for some recruits. Every school has transfer out kids. It would be good to know how the athletes are supported.

Here's an interesting AP article that details the number of players that requested transfer waivers and the numbers that received them for the past 5 years. Looks like the overwhelming majority receive them in all sports (82% in football for 17-18.. man).

https://www.apnews.com/e6ee44f723684ec9a8d99bfd72193169

Interesting tweet here. Anyone have any insight?

(08-16-2019 11:05 AM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

Interesting tweet here. Anyone have any insight?

Rutgers transfer (from BC) got wavier today after getting denied twice.

The ncaa is definitely under the microscope on this. I just wonder if it can be challenged in court with any success or not. It would be a drawn out affair which negates the effect unless a judge granted a temporary order allowing someone to play immediately.

(08-16-2019 11:56 AM)dsquare Wrote:  The ncaa is definitely under the microscope on this. I just wonder if it can be challenged in court with any success or not. It would be a drawn out affair which negates the effect unless a judge granted a temporary order allowing someone to play immediately.

If this is overturned (as I believe it should be) and Hudson is granted the waiver, doesn't this also suggest the NCAA should revisit their existing procedure going forward?

First, it seems a violation of both student privacy and health care laws to have an illness of any kind made public. Particularly with some mental health issues that are stigmatized to begin with. And then shouldn't this sort of waiver request require a confidential referral to a psychiatrist or psychologist to confirm a player's self-diagnosis before becoming the basis for any decision?

A public disclosure such as this could follow a student athlete for a long time--even (unfairly) jeopardizing future employment opportunities. If the NCAA is there for the student athlete, it seems it is failing miserably in such cases.

I think Harbaugh and Fickell should settle this in a wrestling match for the inmediate eligibility of James Hudson.

Preferably in a thunderdome setting.

2 men enter...one man leaves.

(08-16-2019 12:54 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I think Harbaugh and Fickell should settle this in a wrestling match for the inmediate eligibility of James Hudson.

Preferably in a thunderdome setting.

2 men enter...one man leaves.

Fickell was undefeated in high school wrestling or something correct?

(08-16-2019 12:27 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(08-16-2019 11:56 AM)dsquare Wrote:  The ncaa is definitely under the microscope on this. I just wonder if it can be challenged in court with any success or not. It would be a drawn out affair which negates the effect unless a judge granted a temporary order allowing someone to play immediately.

If this is overturned (as I believe it should be) and Hudson is granted the waiver, doesn't this also suggest the NCAA should revisit their existing procedure going forward?

First, it seems a violation of both student privacy and health care laws to have an illness of any kind made public. Particularly with some mental health issues that are stigmatized to begin with. And then shouldn't this sort of waiver request require a confidential referral to a psychiatrist or psychologist to confirm a player's self-diagnosis before becoming the basis for any decision?

A public disclosure such as this could follow a student athlete for a long time--even (unfairly) jeopardizing future employment opportunities. If the NCAA is there for the student athlete, it seems it is failing miserably in such cases.

100% agree. I was thinking the same thing like uh I'm sure all these kids don't want to have with mental health issues on their resume. Whether its the NFL or a regular job offer...I would think those questions will come up, and like you said there definitely needs to be privacy laws in place for these players.

(08-16-2019 12:54 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I think Harbaugh and Fickell should settle this in a wrestling match for the inmediate eligibility of James Hudson.

Preferably in a thunderdome setting.

2 men enter...one man leaves.

This is my preferred method of dispute resolution, regardless of context. Also, BDF would snap Harbaugh in half.

(08-16-2019 12:27 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(08-16-2019 11:56 AM)dsquare Wrote:  The ncaa is definitely under the microscope on this. I just wonder if it can be challenged in court with any success or not. It would be a drawn out affair which negates the effect unless a judge granted a temporary order allowing someone to play immediately.

If this is overturned (as I believe it should be) and Hudson is granted the waiver, doesn't this also suggest the NCAA should revisit their existing procedure going forward?

First, it seems a violation of both student privacy and health care laws to have an illness of any kind made public. Particularly with some mental health issues that are stigmatized to begin with. And then shouldn't this sort of waiver request require a confidential referral to a psychiatrist or psychologist to confirm a player's self-diagnosis before becoming the basis for any decision?

A public disclosure such as this could follow a student athlete for a long time--even (unfairly) jeopardizing future employment opportunities. If the NCAA is there for the student athlete, it seems it is failing miserably in such cases.

Hudson made it public, not the institution...

(08-16-2019 01:45 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-16-2019 12:27 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(08-16-2019 11:56 AM)dsquare Wrote:  The ncaa is definitely under the microscope on this. I just wonder if it can be challenged in court with any success or not. It would be a drawn out affair which negates the effect unless a judge granted a temporary order allowing someone to play immediately.

If this is overturned (as I believe it should be) and Hudson is granted the waiver, doesn't this also suggest the NCAA should revisit their existing procedure going forward?

First, it seems a violation of both student privacy and health care laws to have an illness of any kind made public. Particularly with some mental health issues that are stigmatized to begin with. And then shouldn't this sort of waiver request require a confidential referral to a psychiatrist or psychologist to confirm a player's self-diagnosis before becoming the basis for any decision?

A public disclosure such as this could follow a student athlete for a long time--even (unfairly) jeopardizing future employment opportunities. If the NCAA is there for the student athlete, it seems it is failing miserably in such cases.

Hudson made it public, not the institution...

You're right... Harbaugh only called him a liar...at the microphone...at Big Ten media days...