(08-04-2019 08:28 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: We already have barriers. What you want to do is punish law abiding citizens and hinder their ability to protect themselves and their families.
Yes the barrier is as long as you are not crazy or a criminal and at least 18 you are good to go.
So are you suggesting we adopt pre-crime regulations? Shall we employ psychics to predict the future before we allow people to exercise their Constitutional right to bear arms?
Are there any other rights we should restrict this way?
Give me a break, so we couldn’t add any small rule and we would be restricting your rights?
We have rules for all kinds of ****, last I check we make people get drivers licenses and follow transit laws.
Exactly which Constitutional amendment covers driving an automobile?
Well, the 5th amendment gives us the right to move freely and travel... doesn’t mean I can do so at 100 miles per hour in my personal tank.
(08-04-2019 03:33 PM)JMUDunk Wrote: I’m short on time right now, but very quickly none of those will prevent two types of people from getting guns or using another method of mass killings like driving down a bike path at 70 mph on a Saturday afternoon.
Two types: criminals and those bent on killing people: nuts IOWs.
Who will it affect? Law abiding citizens. Hunh
I don’t think you can just assume it would not stop some of these guys. And of course I agree that it would not stop all of them.
Also you cannot just assume all of these guys would find a different way of killing a bunch of people if they are not able to buy a gun.
I know it would affect law abiding citizens more... but so does say airport security. I mean , how mean law abiding citizens go through security before we catch a nut case.
You are unbelievably naive.
Well to think additional barriers wouldn’t deter SOME of these shootings it’s just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing
To think that additional barriers wouldn't restrict my constitutional freedoms and would have a negligible effect is incredibly naive. KILLING PEOPLE IS ALREADY ILLEGAL.
Sure killing is illegal but we could at least try to make life difficult for those trying to do it. Blowing up planes is illegal doesn’t mean we won’t try to prevent it.
(08-04-2019 08:31 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: You are unbelievably naive.
Well to think additional barriers wouldn’t deter SOME of these shootings it’s just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing
What proposed barriers would have prevented any of these shootings?
I don’t know, but people should at least be able to sit down to discuss possibilities without getting offended, upset or having their feelings hurt. O
So "We need additional barriers" guy doesn't know which barriers we need?
Typical.
I'll help you in your quest. Name the unifying factor between all of the perpetrators of mass shootings that could be eliminated. Find that and get back to us.
Just because a dumb ass (me) on a message board cannot come up with a good solutions does not mean one does not exist. What is wrong with at least trying to come up with one, and if after that process people still think their rights to buy a rocket louncher a at wallmart trumps everything else than ok.
(08-04-2019 11:39 PM)IAH Wrote: Well to think additional barriers wouldn’t deter SOME of these shootings it’s just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing
What proposed barriers would have prevented any of these shootings?
I don’t know, but people should at least be able to sit down to discuss possibilities without getting offended, upset or having their feelings hurt. O
So "We need additional barriers" guy doesn't know which barriers we need?
Typical.
I'll help you in your quest. Name the unifying factor between all of the perpetrators of mass shootings that could be eliminated. Find that and get back to us.
Just because a dumb ass (me) on a message board cannot come up with a good solutions does not mean one does not exist. What is wrong with at least trying to come up with one, and if after that process people still think their rights to buy a rocket louncher a at wallmart trumps everything else than ok.
You can do things like instant background checks and we can expand the availability of metal health treatment---but getting rid of guns is a complete waste of effort. There are over 350 million guns out there--thats more guns than residents. That ship has sailed.
(08-04-2019 11:24 PM)IAH Wrote: Yes the barrier is as long as you are not crazy or a criminal and at least 18 you are good to go.
So are you suggesting we adopt pre-crime regulations? Shall we employ psychics to predict the future before we allow people to exercise their Constitutional right to bear arms?
Are there any other rights we should restrict this way?
Give me a break, so we couldn’t add any small rule and we would be restricting your rights?
We have rules for all kinds of ****, last I check we make people get drivers licenses and follow transit laws.
Exactly which Constitutional amendment covers driving an automobile?
Well, the 5th amendment gives us the right to move freely and travel... doesn’t mean I can do so at 100 miles per hour in my personal tank.
I occasionally drove at 100 mph in my Mother's '74 Lincoln. That thing was a tank. And you would have thought you were doing 60.
The Clinton apologist, George Stephanopolous on ABC, was claiming Trump had some "real questions" to answer about whether his rhetoric caused the shootings.
I guess TDS trumps gun control among the left right now.
(08-05-2019 10:51 AM)bullet Wrote: The Clinton apologist, George Stephanopolous on ABC, was claiming Trump had some "real questions" to answer about whether his rhetoric caused the shootings.
I guess TDS trumps gun control among the left right now.
(08-04-2019 11:24 PM)IAH Wrote: Yes the barrier is as long as you are not crazy or a criminal and at least 18 you are good to go.
So are you suggesting we adopt pre-crime regulations? Shall we employ psychics to predict the future before we allow people to exercise their Constitutional right to bear arms?
Are there any other rights we should restrict this way?
Give me a break, so we couldn’t add any small rule and we would be restricting your rights?
We have rules for all kinds of ****, last I check we make people get drivers licenses and follow transit laws.
Exactly which Constitutional amendment covers driving an automobile?
Well, the 5th amendment gives us the right to move freely and travel... doesn’t mean I can do so at 100 miles per hour in my personal tank.
There's absolutely nothing in the 5th Amendment concerning an automobile.
(08-04-2019 11:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote: So are you suggesting we adopt pre-crime regulations? Shall we employ psychics to predict the future before we allow people to exercise their Constitutional right to bear arms?
Are there any other rights we should restrict this way?
Give me a break, so we couldn’t add any small rule and we would be restricting your rights?
We have rules for all kinds of ****, last I check we make people get drivers licenses and follow transit laws.
Exactly which Constitutional amendment covers driving an automobile?
Well, the 5th amendment gives us the right to move freely and travel... doesn’t mean I can do so at 100 miles per hour in my personal tank.
There's absolutely nothing in the 5th Amendment concerning an automobile.
Since it predates the automobile by 140 or so years, I'll agree with you.
(08-05-2019 07:38 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: What could have stopped this crazy was someone legally armed. How does a person walk through a parking lot into a store carrying an AR without drawing attention?
I mean the cops shot him dead in under a minute. I doubt many armed citizens could do much better than that. The reality is, in a crowded space with any kind of semi auto or auto weapon you can do a lot of damage in seconds.
Only takes a fraction of a second to pull the trigger and you don't really have to aim to hit a target in a crowd.
I don't think more people with guns would have made much difference in this particular situation.
I don't know how to prevent this from happening in the first place but you're correct that the armed response couldn't have been much faster. Same with Gilroy shooting, in which the shooter was killed within a minute.
If more armed citizens joined in the shooting it would have become a bloodbath (or I should say worse than it already was). Do you want to have your weapon out in the presence of the police? Would you be instantly recognized as a "good guy with a gun" or a threat to the life of the policeman?
I wouldn't bet my life on the first.
The problem with your argument is there is ready and available training for that exact situation. You being a leftist, anti-gun, and largely ignorant on the topic is no surprise though.
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You assume wrong. Definitely not anti-gun, but I am anti-gun violence. Admittedly that doesn't give me any answers on how to stop it.
But please do excuse my ignorance and explain the recommended action in that situation. Can i assume it would be to empty your hands?
Here's a video for you. Maybe you can catch some gun violence if you watch long enough.
Quote:The identity of the suspect in the Oregon District shooting has been released.
The shooting suspect has been identified as Connor Betts, 24, of Bellbrook, government sources confirmed.
Chris Baker, who just resigned this summer after 14 years as Bellbrook High School principal, was asked about Betts’ time as a Bellbrook student.
Asked about reports that, while a Bellbrook student, Betts was suspended for causing a lockdown by writing a “hit-list” on a bathroom wall, Baker said, “I would not dispute that information, but I don’t want to get involved any more than just making that comment.”
A woman who went to high school with Betts recalled the hit-list.
“I know he made the list,” she said. “I’m not sure who the names were on there...He had a plan to shoot up the school.”
When she first heard about the shooting, she said Betts’ name came to her mind.
“I guessed it might’ve been him just from that list,” she said.
She added that Betts was bullied at the high school and that he seemed “pretty normal” after he “got some help from making list.”
Demoy Howell was a year behind Connor Betts at Bellbrook High School, where they were in Junior ROTC together.
“He was always a little bit of an oddball,” said Howell, who graduated in 2014. “He had a dark sense of humor - jokes about people dying. He would wear all black. I remember sensing a dark energy around him.”
He never had a problem with Betts, but remembers friends saying he made them feel threatened or uncomfortable. The rigor of the military program seemed to have a calming influence, as Betts didn’t seem to have many friends, he added.
“Even though we all knew he was kind of weird, I felt like the colonels kind of kept him together,” Howell said. “There was a lockdown one year and it was because he wrote something in the bathroom. Then he kind of fell off the face of the earth. I don’t remember him walking (at graduation).”
Later, Howell said, the two worked together at a fast-food restaurant.
“Generally there was no issue,” he said. “He kind of kept it together.”
Betts also worked at a gas station where Howell would sometimes stop in to grab a drink.
“He was normal there, too,” he said. “He kept on a professional face.”
He and his friends frequent the Oregon District where, authorities say, Betts opened fire overnight and left nine dead. Police officers in the area fatally shot Betts within a minute. After getting off work on Saturday night, Howell had decided against heading to Oregon. Hours later, he heard the news.
“I think this is less of a hate crime and more of an ‘I hate everybody’ crime,” Howell said. “I honestly feel more comfortable now knowing that he’s gone.”
Elizabeth Betz, a longtime Bellbrook school board member, said she only had passing memory of Betts, from an elementary school event, and from graduation, simply because their last names are pronounced the same. She said she was unaware of any incidents with Betts while he was in Bellbrook schools.
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