(07-19-2019 10:54 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think you can throw Navy in the mix with those other 4. Sure they may never win the conference but they are a recognized name and play a good yearly OOC schedule against other recognized names and P6 programs.

Temple and Memphis are the next tier down, but would move up to tier 1 with a breakout year if they were to win the conference and have a good showing in a NY6 bowl.

It would seem like it would be in the best interest of the Big12 to form some kind of scheduling alliance with the AAC. They may have to raid the AAC in 5 years if a few key members leave and perception wise it would be better to add P6 teams than G5 teams. Perhaps the AAC can beat them to the punch if they can convince WVU to come back.

If we actually got WVU to come back, they would actually a brilliant fit in this conference. The mid-2000s games between USF and WVU had strong attendance and viewership, they have good geographical fit with ECU and the Florida schools, and serve as a bridge to Temple.
That is also exactly why they will never come back. No one is passing up a $20M a year paycheck unless they have an administration filled with nostalgia-driven dummies.

(07-19-2019 01:48 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 10:54 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think you can throw Navy in the mix with those other 4. Sure they may never win the conference but they are a recognized name and play a good yearly OOC schedule against other recognized names and P6 programs.

Temple and Memphis are the next tier down, but would move up to tier 1 with a breakout year if they were to win the conference and have a good showing in a NY6 bowl.

It would seem like it would be in the best interest of the Big12 to form some kind of scheduling alliance with the AAC. They may have to raid the AAC in 5 years if a few key members leave and perception wise it would be better to add P6 teams than G5 teams. Perhaps the AAC can beat them to the punch if they can convince WVU to come back.

If we actually got WVU to come back, they would actually a brilliant fit in this conference. The mid-2000s games between USF and WVU had strong attendance and viewership, they have good geographical fit with ECU and the Florida schools, and serve as a bridge to Temple.
That is also exactly why they will never come back. No one is passing up a $20M a year paycheck unless they have an administration filled with nostalgia-driven dummies.

I’m referring to when the Big12’s GOR is up and the possibility Texas, Oklahoma and maybe a few others leave. It’s a Big12 doomsday scenario that is often repeated. If that happens I don’t think the Big12 would be in a strong position to poach and what incentive does WVU have to stay in that conference if the money is significantly less than it is now? I think the AAC should try to push a GOR past 2025 and you may even squeeze a few more bucks from ESPN while doing it.

(07-19-2019 01:48 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 10:54 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think you can throw Navy in the mix with those other 4. Sure they may never win the conference but they are a recognized name and play a good yearly OOC schedule against other recognized names and P6 programs.

Temple and Memphis are the next tier down, but would move up to tier 1 with a breakout year if they were to win the conference and have a good showing in a NY6 bowl.

It would seem like it would be in the best interest of the Big12 to form some kind of scheduling alliance with the AAC. They may have to raid the AAC in 5 years if a few key members leave and perception wise it would be better to add P6 teams than G5 teams. Perhaps the AAC can beat them to the punch if they can convince WVU to come back.

If we actually got WVU to come back, they would actually a brilliant fit in this conference. The mid-2000s games between USF and WVU had strong attendance and viewership, they have good geographical fit with ECU and the Florida schools, and serve as a bridge to Temple.
That is also exactly why they will never come back. No one is passing up a $20M a year paycheck unless they have an administration filled with nostalgia-driven dummies.

I doubt we'll ever form an alliance with the Big 12. Those schools, maybe more than schools in other P5 conferences, have a real bias against public urban schools. WVU will only associate with anyone in this conference as a last resort.

Don’t think you need to do anything except let things play out until 2025. After that date is when you’ll know a lot more. You’re not getting a GOR.

UCF, USF, Houston, Cincy, Temple, and Memphis are all hoping for the Big 12 come 2025 as are several MWC teams and BYU.

Navy isn’t going anywhere except back to Indy if the Big 12 does poach I can tell you that. You don’t have to worry about us.

(07-19-2019 12:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 11:55 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 11:18 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Temple has won an American Conference Championship. Over the life of the American we are the most consistent winning program.

Wow, that is interesting and I never even considered that fact. Nice! And I think Temple is going to have a surprisingly good football season in 2019.

Memphis too had won a conference title, beat UH last 3 yrs. & played UCF for the conference title the last 2 seasons... next tier down?

That's my sentiment as well. Next tier down???

I think the exposure and P6 campaign have caused people to see us as a tweener or King of the gang. Still a very long way to go, as the bowl renewals just showed.

(07-19-2019 11:18 AM)vick mike Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 10:54 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think you can throw Navy in the mix with those other 4. Sure they may never win the conference but they are a recognized name and play a good yearly OOC schedule against other recognized names and P6 programs.

Temple and Memphis are the next tier down, but would move up to tier 1 with a breakout year if they were to win the conference and have a good showing in a NY6 bowl.

It would seem like it would be in the best interest of the Big12 to form some kind of scheduling alliance with the AAC. They may have to raid the AAC in 5 years if a few key members leave and perception wise it would be better to add P6 teams than G5 teams. Perhaps the AAC can beat them to the punch if they can convince WVU to come back.

Temple has won an American Conference Championship. Over the life of the American we are the most consistent winning program.

Yeah, so has Memphis. Anybody who thinks we don't belong on the top row is either biased or ignorant.

I know we already had a bigger budget pre-AAC, but when my Green Wave are able to take a successful coach from another G5 team it reminds me of how Syracuse took Dino Babers.

The conference has something to do with that. Two of the best Sun Belt coaches walked from winning programs... ...for Tulane. The Hunter pickup is more shocking since we were dead last and took the coach of the Sun Belt champ.

(07-19-2019 02:30 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Don’t think you need to do anything except let things play out until 2025. After that date is when you’ll know a lot more. You’re not getting a GOR.

UCF, USF, Houston, Cincy, Temple, and Memphis are all hoping for the Big 12 come 2025 as are several MWC teams and BYU.

Navy isn’t going anywhere except back to Indy if the Big 12 does poach I can tell you that. You don’t have to worry about us.

Texas and Oklahoma have zero incentive to expand the Big XII, and make no mistake that decision runs through Austin and Norman. Thinking otherwise is foolish.

(07-19-2019 03:40 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 02:30 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Don’t think you need to do anything except let things play out until 2025. After that date is when you’ll know a lot more. You’re not getting a GOR.

UCF, USF, Houston, Cincy, Temple, and Memphis are all hoping for the Big 12 come 2025 as are several MWC teams and BYU.

Navy isn’t going anywhere except back to Indy if the Big 12 does poach I can tell you that. You don’t have to worry about us.

Texas and Oklahoma have zero incentive to expand the Big XII, and make no mistake that decision runs through Austin and Norman. Thinking otherwise is foolish.

Well obviously. Those schools are hoping to be backfill if UT/OU leave. That’s well documented after the previous non expansion.

(07-19-2019 03:48 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 03:40 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 02:30 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Don’t think you need to do anything except let things play out until 2025. After that date is when you’ll know a lot more. You’re not getting a GOR.

UCF, USF, Houston, Cincy, Temple, and Memphis are all hoping for the Big 12 come 2025 as are several MWC teams and BYU.

Navy isn’t going anywhere except back to Indy if the Big 12 does poach I can tell you that. You don’t have to worry about us.

Texas and Oklahoma have zero incentive to expand the Big XII, and make no mistake that decision runs through Austin and Norman. Thinking otherwise is foolish.

Well obviously. Those schools are hoping to be backfill if UT/OU leave. That’s well documented after the previous non expansion.

I've said it a hundreds of times... What's the point Houston joining the Big12 if OU and UT aren't no longer there... Only reason I want back with UT is so that we can revive our heated games and make their fans feel like 5h1+ after Houston leaves Austin with the W.

(07-19-2019 02:40 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 12:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 11:55 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 11:18 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Temple has won an American Conference Championship. Over the life of the American we are the most consistent winning program.

Wow, that is interesting and I never even considered that fact. Nice! And I think Temple is going to have a surprisingly good football season in 2019.

Memphis too had won a conference title, beat UH last 3 yrs. & played UCF for the conference title the last 2 seasons... next tier down?

That's my sentiment as well. Next tier down???

Memphis is not the next tier down to anyone in this conference. lol

(07-19-2019 03:48 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 03:40 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 02:30 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Don’t think you need to do anything except let things play out until 2025. After that date is when you’ll know a lot more. You’re not getting a GOR.

UCF, USF, Houston, Cincy, Temple, and Memphis are all hoping for the Big 12 come 2025 as are several MWC teams and BYU.

Navy isn’t going anywhere except back to Indy if the Big 12 does poach I can tell you that. You don’t have to worry about us.

Texas and Oklahoma have zero incentive to expand the Big XII, and make no mistake that decision runs through Austin and Norman. Thinking otherwise is foolish.

Well obviously. Those schools are hoping to be backfill if UT/OU leave. That’s well documented after the previous non expansion.

The bigger point is they have no incentive to leave.

(07-19-2019 03:33 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  I know we already had a bigger budget pre-AAC, but when my Green Wave are able to take a successful coach from another G5 team it reminds me of how Syracuse took Dino Babers.

The conference has something to do with that. Two of the best Sun Belt coaches walked from winning programs... ...for Tulane. The Hunter pickup is more shocking since we were dead last and took the coach of the Sun Belt champ.

That's always been my stance. I'm impressed with Tulane's hires, albeit they were slow. Fritz and Hunter are winners. I just hope it translates into interest with a casual fan in New Orleans because the private schools are dragging the conference down in viewership and attendance.

Tulane is primed to challenge Houston and Memphis in all sports in the west, they just need to give it that extra oomph.

Memphis and Temple people: I’ll try to clarify my point about lumping you into a tier 2 status by saying which schools would a Cartel 5 be most interested in? Navy, UC, UH, USF and UCF. Why? They were once part of the BCS Conference and/or accumulated a record of good OOC wins.

I realize Temple has a good recent win over PSU (and an ugly loss vs Wake). Just keep winning or making a good showing in those type of games, Temple also has a bias working against it as a urban school in the NE and that bias is that the people up there don’t care about college football.

Memphis has a basketball school tag and I could be wrong, but very few memorable OOC wins in recent years. Your brand needs some work, but it’s heading in a good direction.

What you need to improve your brand is to basically go on a mini-run like UCF and UH through the AAC and pick up a few splash victories on the way. Or just be consistently good for a long time with several good wins peppered in.

You guys are good G5 teams, but need a little more work to be perceived as P6 material.

(07-19-2019 04:19 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Memphis and Temple people: I’ll try to clarify my point about lumping you into a tier 2 status by saying which schools would a Cartel 5 be most interested in? Navy, UC, UH, USF and UCF. Why? They were once part of the BCS Conference and/or accumulated a record of good OOC wins.

I realize Temple has a good recent win over PSU (and an ugly loss vs Wake). Just keep winning or making a good showing in those type of games, Temple also has a bias working against it as a urban school in the NE and that bias is that the people up there don’t care about college football.

Memphis has a basketball school tag and I could be wrong, but very few memorable OOC wins in recent years. Your brand needs some work, but it’s heading in a good direction.

What you need to improve your brand is to basically go on a mini-run like UCF and UH through the AAC and pick up a few splash victories on the way. Or just be consistently good for a long time with several good wins peppered in.

You guys are good G5 teams, but need a little more work to be perceived as P6 material.

Temple was in a BCS conference before.

(07-19-2019 04:30 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:19 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Memphis and Temple people: I’ll try to clarify my point about lumping you into a tier 2 status by saying which schools would a Cartel 5 be most interested in? Navy, UC, UH, USF and UCF. Why? They were once part of the BCS Conference and/or accumulated a record of good OOC wins.

I realize Temple has a good recent win over PSU (and an ugly loss vs Wake). Just keep winning or making a good showing in those type of games, Temple also has a bias working against it as a urban school in the NE and that bias is that the people up there don’t care about college football.

Memphis has a basketball school tag and I could be wrong, but very few memorable OOC wins in recent years. Your brand needs some work, but it’s heading in a good direction.

What you need to improve your brand is to basically go on a mini-run like UCF and UH through the AAC and pick up a few splash victories on the way. Or just be consistently good for a long time with several good wins peppered in.

You guys are good G5 teams, but need a little more work to be perceived as P6 material.

Temple was in a BCS conference before.

And kicked out because they were playing at a G5 level.

The big impact is going to be how ESPN promotes us. Aresco made the comment that they were going to really promote our league. I think the word has probably gone out that they want their $1billion dollar investment to bring returns. Think the days of the AAC being belittled may be in the past.

(07-19-2019 04:31 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:30 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:19 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Memphis and Temple people: I’ll try to clarify my point about lumping you into a tier 2 status by saying which schools would a Cartel 5 be most interested in? Navy, UC, UH, USF and UCF. Why? They were once part of the BCS Conference and/or accumulated a record of good OOC wins.

I realize Temple has a good recent win over PSU (and an ugly loss vs Wake). Just keep winning or making a good showing in those type of games, Temple also has a bias working against it as a urban school in the NE and that bias is that the people up there don’t care about college football.

Memphis has a basketball school tag and I could be wrong, but very few memorable OOC wins in recent years. Your brand needs some work, but it’s heading in a good direction.

What you need to improve your brand is to basically go on a mini-run like UCF and UH through the AAC and pick up a few splash victories on the way. Or just be consistently good for a long time with several good wins peppered in.

You guys are good G5 teams, but need a little more work to be perceived as P6 material.

Temple was in a BCS conference before.

And kicked out because they were playing at a G5 level.

You said they never were in one. Also Temple came back for the final year.

(07-19-2019 04:31 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:30 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 04:19 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Memphis and Temple people: I’ll try to clarify my point about lumping you into a tier 2 status by saying which schools would a Cartel 5 be most interested in? Navy, UC, UH, USF and UCF. Why? They were once part of the BCS Conference and/or accumulated a record of good OOC wins.

I realize Temple has a good recent win over PSU (and an ugly loss vs Wake). Just keep winning or making a good showing in those type of games, Temple also has a bias working against it as a urban school in the NE and that bias is that the people up there don’t care about college football.

Memphis has a basketball school tag and I could be wrong, but very few memorable OOC wins in recent years. Your brand needs some work, but it’s heading in a good direction.

What you need to improve your brand is to basically go on a mini-run like UCF and UH through the AAC and pick up a few splash victories on the way. Or just be consistently good for a long time with several good wins peppered in.

You guys are good G5 teams, but need a little more work to be perceived as P6 material.

Temple was in a BCS conference before.

And kicked out because they were playing at a G5 level.

Wrong, Temple rejoined the BIG EAST while it was still a BCS Conference, with new commitment to revenue sports.