(07-15-2019 09:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I was talking about HISTORICAL no one is close to Western and one great season does not over come that. Is it great to win a national championship. Yes, and it sure as hell feels better than coming in 3rd. I assume even 2nd but I wasnt alive when that happened to Western in the NIT F4.

But it still doesnt make up for overall history

And yet not one of your conference folk have put that school in the blanket list of top 6 programs.

1. MT
2. LA Tech
3. Marshall
4. WKU
5. ???
6. ???

This thread is so funny. If ESPN, FOX, CBS program managers scroll through this accomplishment list our conference should immediately get a 10MM/Team TV deal . USM/Marshal FB history means nada to a casual College FB fan so is UTEP/WKU/LT/ODU/UNCC Basketball history as well as Rice's incredible Baseball history. If they did we wouldn't be fighting over the scraps like we are right now.

None.

This league has 14 mediocre football and basketball programs.

Until that changes, there’s no difference between #1 and #14.

(07-15-2019 09:34 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  This thread is so funny. If ESPN, FOX, CBS program managers scroll through this accomplishment list our conference should immediately get a 10MM/Team TV deal . USM/Marshal FB history means nada to a casual College FB fan so is UTEP/WKU/LT/ODU/UNCC Basketball history as well as Rice's incredible Baseball history. If they did we wouldn't be fighting over the scraps like we are right now.

I'd say about 70%- 80% of the casual fans watch the NFL and about 15%-20% watch P5 programs. The G5 gets the leftovers.

The Forgotten 5 + UTEP

UNT
WKU
MTSU
FAU
FIU
UNCC

Grumpy
Happy
Sleepy
Bashful
Sneezy
Dopey

For those who want the cliff's note of this thread ...

(07-16-2019 07:21 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  For those who want the cliff's note of this thread ...

It’s hard to see a team in top 5 if you average less than 20k in football. Since that is the major sport in this conference & in the NCAA.

(07-16-2019 11:53 AM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  It’s hard to see a team in top 5 if you average less than 20k in football. Since that is the major sport in this conference & in the NCAA.

I don’t agree with that. 3 of the 5 G5 conferences average less than 19k.

(07-16-2019 11:59 AM)JCMiner Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 11:53 AM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  It’s hard to see a team in top 5 if you average less than 20k in football. Since that is the major sport in this conference & in the NCAA.

I don’t agree with that. 3 of the 5 G5 conferences average less than 19k.

There are 5 teams in our conference that average over 20k pretty much every year

Also 7 teams above 20k average in 2017 and if you want there are a few more with 19.5k so around 9 out of 14 average over 19k.

Teams with 11k, 14k, 14k & 15k on average basically the last 5 years should not be a top 6 team in this conference.

(07-16-2019 12:26 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Teams with 11k, 14k, 14k & 15k on average basically the last 5 years should not be a top 6 team in this conference.

We talking football or attendanceball?

I know a lot of you guys really follow attendanceball closely (different strokes I suppose), but my guess is that the original question was more in line with the traditional NCAA sports played on fields and courts.

(07-16-2019 12:26 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Teams with 11k, 14k, 14k & 15k on average basically the last 5 years should not be a top 6 team in this conference.

Agreed 100%.

Southern Miss
La Tech
Marshall
North Texas
Middle Tennessee
Rice

WKU and UAB are close

Just the opinion of a fan of teams not in CUSA

(07-16-2019 12:26 PM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Teams with 11k, 14k, 14k & 15k on average basically the last 5 years should not be a top 6 team in this conference.

Neither should teams who can’t avenge more than 1500 in basketball.

In no particular order. This IMO are the 6th "known/recognizable" schools.

USM
Marshall
La Tech
UNT
UAB
UTEP