(06-25-2019 11:46 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 02:44 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  Andy Katz #4
Gary Parrish #6

we sure have come a long way in an amazingly short period of time

No. 10 on Andy Katz's new poll after we lost to...oh wait we didn't.

Quote:10. Memphis (4): Memphis fans may bristle at the Tigers being dropped from 4 to 10. But this was a reaction to putting them too high without proving it first. Top 10 is still top 10 but the Tigers were too high in the top five.

#10 is okay. The reason is kind of lame though.

Yeah, that is about as lame an explanation as I've seen from a national writer.

(06-25-2019 02:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:46 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 02:44 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  Andy Katz #4
Gary Parrish #6

we sure have come a long way in an amazingly short period of time

No. 10 on Andy Katz's new poll after we lost to...oh wait we didn't.

Quote:10. Memphis (4): Memphis fans may bristle at the Tigers being dropped from 4 to 10. But this was a reaction to putting them too high without proving it first. Top 10 is still top 10 but the Tigers were too high in the top five.

#10 is okay. The reason is kind of lame though.

Yeah, that is about as lame an explanation as I've seen from a national writer.

How the hell do we “prove it” with season 4 months away?

(06-25-2019 02:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 11:46 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(05-30-2019 02:44 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  Andy Katz #4
Gary Parrish #6

we sure have come a long way in an amazingly short period of time

No. 10 on Andy Katz's new poll after we lost to...oh wait we didn't.

Quote:10. Memphis (4): Memphis fans may bristle at the Tigers being dropped from 4 to 10. But this was a reaction to putting them too high without proving it first. Top 10 is still top 10 but the Tigers were too high in the top five.

#10 is okay. The reason is kind of lame though.

Yeah, that is about as lame an explanation as I've seen from a national writer.

His reason is inadequate since nothing changed since his last ranking. My guess is his P-5 contacts bristled and he obediently dropped the Tigers. However, a #10 ranking is fine with me.

10ish sounds right to me. His reasoning makes sense. He was caught up in the hype of the fantastic recruiting job and went abit overboard. Now that the idea of Memphis getting a number 1 class has had time to sink in, he can be more realistic.

(06-25-2019 06:45 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  10ish sounds right to me. His reasoning makes sense. He was caught up in the hype of the fantastic recruiting job and went abit overboard. Now that the idea of Memphis getting a number 1 class has had time to sink in, he can be more realistic.

You explaining his reasoning doesn’t make sense.

(06-25-2019 09:12 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 06:45 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  10ish sounds right to me. His reasoning makes sense. He was caught up in the hype of the fantastic recruiting job and went abit overboard. Now that the idea of Memphis getting a number 1 class has had time to sink in, he can be more realistic.

You explaining his reasoning doesn’t make sense.

He explained his reasoning, I can see it and can agree with it.

(06-25-2019 09:14 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:12 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 06:45 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  10ish sounds right to me. His reasoning makes sense. He was caught up in the hype of the fantastic recruiting job and went abit overboard. Now that the idea of Memphis getting a number 1 class has had time to sink in, he can be more realistic.

You explaining his reasoning doesn’t make sense.

He explained his reasoning, I can see it and can agree with it.

How do you “prove it” 4 months before the season? His explanation is silly.

Might as well face it guys, people like Katz, Gottleib, Seth Davis and all of ESPN are NEVER going to give Memphis any credit. Davis had the Tigers at 10 in 08 when they were beating the crap out of everybody when the tournament started. If the Tigers finish runner up in the NC game they'll say "told you they were a fluke". I don't know why they are like they are but they are. They've always been that way. Penny and Co. will use their bias as ammunition to fire the young Tigers even more. Go Tigers, win big and stick it to them.

(06-26-2019 08:52 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Might as well face it guys, people like Katz, Gottleib, Seth Davis and all of ESPN are NEVER going to give Memphis any credit. Davis had the Tigers at 10 in 08 when they were beating the crap out of everybody when the tournament started. If the Tigers finish runner up in the NC game they'll say "told you they were a fluke". I don't know why they are like they are but they are. They've always been that way. Penny and Co. will use their bias as ammunition to fire the young Tigers even more. Go Tigers, win big and stick it to them.

With our class coming in I do think anything in the 7-12 range is about right. We certainly have the talent. There are doubts about Penny being able to coach which is also fair since this will only be his second year and it's still unknown how he manages this team. Just need to prove it on the court. I believe we will.

(06-25-2019 11:04 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:14 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 09:12 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(06-25-2019 06:45 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  10ish sounds right to me. His reasoning makes sense. He was caught up in the hype of the fantastic recruiting job and went abit overboard. Now that the idea of Memphis getting a number 1 class has had time to sink in, he can be more realistic.

You explaining his reasoning doesn’t make sense.

He explained his reasoning, I can see it and can agree with it.

How do you “prove it” 4 months before the season? His explanation is silly.

Yeah you could say the inverse as well. We haven’t disproved a top 5 ranking yet. It’s all opinion and fun to talk about, but ultimately means nothing.

I suppose the preseason rankings have some value (more so in football), but games are played on the court and we’ll move right up the rankings if we take care of business.

These yahoos can rank us wherever they want, but I do think it's funny that the reason we dropped was because we haven't played anyone. Why then are Duke and Kentucky always ranked in the top 5 when they have 5,6,7 new guys coming in and they also haven't played anyone?

(06-05-2019 02:32 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 01:45 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-01-2019 08:18 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 07:17 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  to save time in an hour long deal, just click from 38 minutes in and stop at 49 min

https://929espn.radio.com/media/audio-ch...rish-seg-2

I am one-clicking it right now. I bet it was outstanding live.

The sample size is pretty small since it was either Duke or KY who had the number 1 class each year. Established systems especially on the defensive side is a huge advantage.

The sample SIZE was 10 years. Not small in modern basketball.

You missed the point, it wasnt on the length of years it was the dominance of 2 teams. We have stats from 2 teams basically.

Are we ready to compare Penny's coaching ability to Coach K? I hope some day, but if anyone on this planet tells me Penny is as good of a coach as Coach K right now I would never listen to anything they ever had to say about any subject ever again...

Go ahead and say it, Penny is as good a coach as Coach K... I want to quote it from you.

He for sure can be. In the last 15 years...

3 - Round of 64
2 - Round of 32

It would be reasonable to assume that he MIGHT be as good.

5 - Sweet 16

It would NOT be reasonable to think that he could be as good.

2 - National Champion
3 - Elite 8

So if you use the last 15 years as a barometer, I would say that Penny has a 33% chance to be a better coach than Coach K THIS YEAR, has a 67% chance to at least equal him this year, and has a 33% chance to not be as good as him this year.

I fully think that on paper we have a shot at a Sweet 16, which would mean that it is perfectly reasonable to think that Penny can equal Coach K's results 10 out of the last 15 years.

(06-26-2019 11:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 02:32 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 01:45 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-01-2019 08:18 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 07:17 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  to save time in an hour long deal, just click from 38 minutes in and stop at 49 min

https://929espn.radio.com/media/audio-ch...rish-seg-2

I am one-clicking it right now. I bet it was outstanding live.

The sample size is pretty small since it was either Duke or KY who had the number 1 class each year. Established systems especially on the defensive side is a huge advantage.

The sample SIZE was 10 years. Not small in modern basketball.

You missed the point, it wasnt on the length of years it was the dominance of 2 teams. We have stats from 2 teams basically.

Are we ready to compare Penny's coaching ability to Coach K? I hope some day, but if anyone on this planet tells me Penny is as good of a coach as Coach K right now I would never listen to anything they ever had to say about any subject ever again...

Go ahead and say it, Penny is as good a coach as Coach K... I want to quote it from you.

He for sure can be. In the last 15 years...

3 - Round of 64
2 - Round of 32

It would be reasonable to assume that he MIGHT be as good.

5 - Sweet 16

It would NOT be reasonable to think that he could be as good.

2 - National Champion
3 - Elite 8

So if you use the last 15 years as a barometer, I would say that Penny has a 33% chance to be a better coach than Coach K THIS YEAR, has a 67% chance to at least equal him this year, and has a 33% chance to not be as good as him this year.

I fully think that on paper we have a shot at a Sweet 16, which would mean that it is perfectly reasonable to think that Penny can equal Coach K's results 10 out of the last 15 years.

You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers. Another post with a bunch of meaningless numbers. It is like the bible, you can handpick numbers and quotes here and there that you can prove or disprove any possible thing with.

(06-26-2019 09:00 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 08:52 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Might as well face it guys, people like Katz, Gottleib, Seth Davis and all of ESPN are NEVER going to give Memphis any credit. Davis had the Tigers at 10 in 08 when they were beating the crap out of everybody when the tournament started. If the Tigers finish runner up in the NC game they'll say "told you they were a fluke". I don't know why they are like they are but they are. They've always been that way. Penny and Co. will use their bias as ammunition to fire the young Tigers even more. Go Tigers, win big and stick it to them.

With our class coming in I do think anything in the 7-12 range is about right. We certainly have the talent. There are doubts about Penny being able to coach which is also fair since this will only be his second year and it's still unknown how he manages this team. Just need to prove it on the court. I believe we will.

Shoot, after the last 5 years, I'm thrilled with any ranking in the top 10. And I don't think Katz has any anti-Memphis bias. I've heard multiple local interviews and he is always gracious, complimentary, and even seems like an advocate at times.

But I think his explanation was absolutely lame. I even heard him on J&J earlier this week apologizing to Memphis fans about the drop he was about to give us. His reasoning there sounded no better.

History says anything outside of top 8 is likely under-rated. What were the numbers GP dug out for us? Something like 9 out of the last 10 top ranked recruiting classes got a 1 or 2 seed (when you exclude the Anthony Davis injury year).

So I'm fine with top 10. Now the dude that dropped us to 19 is just goofy.

(06-26-2019 03:52 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:00 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 08:52 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Might as well face it guys, people like Katz, Gottleib, Seth Davis and all of ESPN are NEVER going to give Memphis any credit. Davis had the Tigers at 10 in 08 when they were beating the crap out of everybody when the tournament started. If the Tigers finish runner up in the NC game they'll say "told you they were a fluke". I don't know why they are like they are but they are. They've always been that way. Penny and Co. will use their bias as ammunition to fire the young Tigers even more. Go Tigers, win big and stick it to them.

With our class coming in I do think anything in the 7-12 range is about right. We certainly have the talent. There are doubts about Penny being able to coach which is also fair since this will only be his second year and it's still unknown how he manages this team. Just need to prove it on the court. I believe we will.

Shoot, after the last 5 years, I'm thrilled with any ranking in the top 10. And I don't think Katz has any anti-Memphis bias. I've heard multiple local interviews and he is always gracious, complimentary, and even seems like an advocate at times.

But I think his explanation was absolutely lame. I even heard him on J&J earlier this week apologizing to Memphis fans about the drop he was about to give us. His reasoning there sounded no better.

History says anything outside of top 8 is likely under-rated. What were the numbers GP dug out for us? Something like 9 out of the last 10 top ranked recruiting classes got a 1 or 2 seed (when you exclude the Anthony Davis injury year).

So I'm fine with top 10. Now the dude that dropped us to 19 is just goofy.

(06-26-2019 09:00 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 08:52 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Might as well face it guys, people like Katz, Gottleib, Seth Davis and all of ESPN are NEVER going to give Memphis any credit. Davis had the Tigers at 10 in 08 when they were beating the crap out of everybody when the tournament started. If the Tigers finish runner up in the NC game they'll say "told you they were a fluke". I don't know why they are like they are but they are. They've always been that way. Penny and Co. will use their bias as ammunition to fire the young Tigers even more. Go Tigers, win big and stick it to them.

With our class coming in I do think anything in the 7-12 range is about right. We certainly have the talent. There are doubts about Penny being able to coach which is also fair since this will only be his second year and it's still unknown how he manages this team. Just need to prove it on the court. I believe we will.

Nailed it! We got some things to prove. Let’s get it on!!

Can’t wait to the Bahamas!! Going to be a blast!!

(06-26-2019 11:05 AM)jammaster Wrote:  These yahoos can rank us wherever they want, but I do think it's funny that the reason we dropped was because we haven't played anyone. Why then are Duke and Kentucky always ranked in the top 5 when they have 5,6,7 new guys coming in and they also haven't played anyone?

Because they have coaches who have decades of deep tournament runs including National Titles.

We have a coach who has 1 year of college coaching experience who was never even an assistant coach in college.

He has to prove himself to get the benefit of the doubt like K and Cal.

I hope and think he will in due time.

Rothstein updated his ballot and has Memphis at 16. The disrespect.

(06-26-2019 07:25 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:00 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 08:52 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Might as well face it guys, people like Katz, Gottleib, Seth Davis and all of ESPN are NEVER going to give Memphis any credit. Davis had the Tigers at 10 in 08 when they were beating the crap out of everybody when the tournament started. If the Tigers finish runner up in the NC game they'll say "told you they were a fluke". I don't know why they are like they are but they are. They've always been that way. Penny and Co. will use their bias as ammunition to fire the young Tigers even more. Go Tigers, win big and stick it to them.

With our class coming in I do think anything in the 7-12 range is about right. We certainly have the talent. There are doubts about Penny being able to coach which is also fair since this will only be his second year and it's still unknown how he manages this team. Just need to prove it on the court. I believe we will.

Nailed it! We got some things to prove. Let’s get it on!!

Can’t wait to the Bahamas!! Going to be a blast!!

The latest Vegas futures posted on this forum had the Tigers with the 4th best odds at 12-1(?). In effect ranked 4th by those who put do this for a living

(06-26-2019 08:19 PM)JRR_IV Wrote:  Rothstein updated his ballot and has Memphis at 16. The disrespect.

I guess we are dropping because we haven't won a game yet.