(06-26-2019 02:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 11:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 02:32 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 01:45 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-01-2019 08:18 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I am one-clicking it right now. I bet it was outstanding live.

The sample size is pretty small since it was either Duke or KY who had the number 1 class each year. Established systems especially on the defensive side is a huge advantage.

The sample SIZE was 10 years. Not small in modern basketball.

You missed the point, it wasnt on the length of years it was the dominance of 2 teams. We have stats from 2 teams basically.

Are we ready to compare Penny's coaching ability to Coach K? I hope some day, but if anyone on this planet tells me Penny is as good of a coach as Coach K right now I would never listen to anything they ever had to say about any subject ever again...

Go ahead and say it, Penny is as good a coach as Coach K... I want to quote it from you.

He for sure can be. In the last 15 years...

3 - Round of 64
2 - Round of 32

It would be reasonable to assume that he MIGHT be as good.

5 - Sweet 16

It would NOT be reasonable to think that he could be as good.

2 - National Champion
3 - Elite 8

So if you use the last 15 years as a barometer, I would say that Penny has a 33% chance to be a better coach than Coach K THIS YEAR, has a 67% chance to at least equal him this year, and has a 33% chance to not be as good as him this year.

I fully think that on paper we have a shot at a Sweet 16, which would mean that it is perfectly reasonable to think that Penny can equal Coach K's results 10 out of the last 15 years.

You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers. Another post with a bunch of meaningless numbers. It is like the bible, you can handpick numbers and quotes here and there that you can prove or disprove any possible thing with.

Or you are just too dumb to understand the most simple of simple concepts. Results

1 year out of every 3, Coach K doesn't make it out of the first weekend; almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and almost always with home games in the opening weekend of the tournament.

2 out of every 3 seasons, Coach K doesn't make it past the Sweet 16, almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and much better talent than anyone else, and with home games the opening weekend of the tournament.

Quote:You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers.

Meaningless numbers? NCAA Champion and Round of 64 are the same? Losing in the Round of 64 or Round of 32 when you have much more talent than your opponent is meaningless?

I wasn't quoting stats. I was quoting results; the bottom line, having nothing to do with stats. In the last 15 years you can argue that Duke has 9 tournament losses that range from really bad to embarrassing.

2007
#6 loss to #11, Round of 64

2008
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

2009
#2 loss to #3 by 23 points, Sweet 16

2011
#1 loss to #5 by 16 points, Sweet 16

2012
#2 loss to #15, Round of 64

2013
#2 loss to #1 by 22 points, Elite 8

2014
#3 loss to #14, Round of 64

2016
#4 loss to #1 by 14 points, Sweet 16

2017
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

Feel free to keep making yourself look as dumb as possible.

(06-26-2019 09:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 02:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 11:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 02:32 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 01:45 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  The sample SIZE was 10 years. Not small in modern basketball.

You missed the point, it wasnt on the length of years it was the dominance of 2 teams. We have stats from 2 teams basically.

Are we ready to compare Penny's coaching ability to Coach K? I hope some day, but if anyone on this planet tells me Penny is as good of a coach as Coach K right now I would never listen to anything they ever had to say about any subject ever again...

Go ahead and say it, Penny is as good a coach as Coach K... I want to quote it from you.

He for sure can be. In the last 15 years...

3 - Round of 64
2 - Round of 32

It would be reasonable to assume that he MIGHT be as good.

5 - Sweet 16

It would NOT be reasonable to think that he could be as good.

2 - National Champion
3 - Elite 8

So if you use the last 15 years as a barometer, I would say that Penny has a 33% chance to be a better coach than Coach K THIS YEAR, has a 67% chance to at least equal him this year, and has a 33% chance to not be as good as him this year.

I fully think that on paper we have a shot at a Sweet 16, which would mean that it is perfectly reasonable to think that Penny can equal Coach K's results 10 out of the last 15 years.

You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers. Another post with a bunch of meaningless numbers. It is like the bible, you can handpick numbers and quotes here and there that you can prove or disprove any possible thing with.

Or you are just too dumb to understand the most simple of simple concepts. Results

1 year out of every 3, Coach K doesn't make it out of the first weekend; almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and almost always with home games in the opening weekend of the tournament.

2 out of every 3 seasons, Coach K doesn't make it past the Sweet 16, almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and much better talent than anyone else, and with home games the opening weekend of the tournament.

Quote:You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers.

Meaningless numbers? NCAA Champion and Round of 64 are the same? Losing in the Round of 64 or Round of 32 when you have much more talent than your opponent is meaningless?

I wasn't quoting stats. I was quoting results; the bottom line, having nothing to do with stats. In the last 15 years you can argue that Duke has 9 tournament losses that range from really bad to embarrassing.

2007
#6 loss to #11, Round of 64

2008
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

2009
#2 loss to #3 by 23 points, Sweet 16

2011
#1 loss to #5 by 16 points, Sweet 16

2012
#2 loss to #15, Round of 64

2013
#2 loss to #1 by 22 points, Elite 8

2014
#3 loss to #14, Round of 64

2016
#4 loss to #1 by 14 points, Sweet 16

2017
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

Feel free to keep making yourself look as dumb as possible.

You are the guy trying to justify claiming a 2nd year coach is as good or better than one of the best coaches of all time and you say I am making myself look dumb... go figure.

This is really enjoyable back-n-forth.
Thanks!

(06-26-2019 09:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 02:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 11:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-05-2019 02:32 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  You missed the point, it wasnt on the length of years it was the dominance of 2 teams. We have stats from 2 teams basically.

Are we ready to compare Penny's coaching ability to Coach K? I hope some day, but if anyone on this planet tells me Penny is as good of a coach as Coach K right now I would never listen to anything they ever had to say about any subject ever again...

Go ahead and say it, Penny is as good a coach as Coach K... I want to quote it from you.

He for sure can be. In the last 15 years...

3 - Round of 64
2 - Round of 32

It would be reasonable to assume that he MIGHT be as good.

5 - Sweet 16

It would NOT be reasonable to think that he could be as good.

2 - National Champion
3 - Elite 8

So if you use the last 15 years as a barometer, I would say that Penny has a 33% chance to be a better coach than Coach K THIS YEAR, has a 67% chance to at least equal him this year, and has a 33% chance to not be as good as him this year.

I fully think that on paper we have a shot at a Sweet 16, which would mean that it is perfectly reasonable to think that Penny can equal Coach K's results 10 out of the last 15 years.

You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers. Another post with a bunch of meaningless numbers. It is like the bible, you can handpick numbers and quotes here and there that you can prove or disprove any possible thing with.

Or you are just too dumb to understand the most simple of simple concepts. Results

1 year out of every 3, Coach K doesn't make it out of the first weekend; almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and almost always with home games in the opening weekend of the tournament.

2 out of every 3 seasons, Coach K doesn't make it past the Sweet 16, almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and much better talent than anyone else, and with home games the opening weekend of the tournament.

Quote:You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers.

Meaningless numbers? NCAA Champion and Round of 64 are the same? Losing in the Round of 64 or Round of 32 when you have much more talent than your opponent is meaningless?

I wasn't quoting stats. I was quoting results; the bottom line, having nothing to do with stats. In the last 15 years you can argue that Duke has 9 tournament losses that range from really bad to embarrassing.

2007
#6 loss to #11, Round of 64

2008
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

2009
#2 loss to #3 by 23 points, Sweet 16

2011
#1 loss to #5 by 16 points, Sweet 16

2012
#2 loss to #15, Round of 64

2013
#2 loss to #1 by 22 points, Elite 8

2014
#3 loss to #14, Round of 64

2016
#4 loss to #1 by 14 points, Sweet 16

2017
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

Feel free to keep making yourself look as dumb as possible.

You are the guy trying to justify claiming a 2nd year coach is as good or better than one of the best coaches of all time and you say I am making myself look dumb... go figure.

I knew you would make yourself look more dumb instead of letting it go. I have never once said that he is better. That is you not being able to read at the level of a 9 year old saying that.

What I have said very plainly is that it is reasonable to think that we can make the Sweet 16 this year; therefore it is reasonable to think that Penny can match Coach K's results 10 out of the last 15 years.

I hate piling on, but literally nothing you say makes any sense. Nobody, myself included has to justify the statement that Coach K hasn't made it past the Sweet 16, in 10 out of the last 15 seasons. I don't have to prove it, that is what is known as a fact.

Keep going. You're good for a few laughs.

(06-26-2019 09:07 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 08:19 PM)JRR_IV Wrote:  Rothstein updated his ballot and has Memphis at 16. The disrespect.

I guess we are dropping because we haven't won a game yet.

WE HAVE NOT LOST ONE EITHER

I find it funny that guys had us ranked highly, then decide to drop us because we have to prove it on the court. I absolutely agree that we need to earn a high ranking by winning games, but how many times are Kentucky, Duke or Kansas in the top 5 of preseason polls based on their recruiting class, and they NEVER drop before the season begins.

(06-26-2019 08:06 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 11:05 AM)jammaster Wrote:  These yahoos can rank us wherever they want, but I do think it's funny that the reason we dropped was because we haven't played anyone. Why then are Duke and Kentucky always ranked in the top 5 when they have 5,6,7 new guys coming in and they also haven't played anyone?

Because they have coaches who have decades of deep tournament runs including National Titles.

We have a coach who has 1 year of college coaching experience who was never even an assistant coach in college.

He has to prove himself to get the benefit of the doubt like K and Cal.

With pollsters. But evidently not with Vegas.

Just beat the ever lovin' dog crap out of everyone we play and let the chips fall where they may. Who cares what other people think.

All that crap is just click bait anyway and pays their salaries.

(06-26-2019 07:25 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:00 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 08:52 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Might as well face it guys, people like Katz, Gottleib, Seth Davis and all of ESPN are NEVER going to give Memphis any credit. Davis had the Tigers at 10 in 08 when they were beating the crap out of everybody when the tournament started. If the Tigers finish runner up in the NC game they'll say "told you they were a fluke". I don't know why they are like they are but they are. They've always been that way. Penny and Co. will use their bias as ammunition to fire the young Tigers even more. Go Tigers, win big and stick it to them.

With our class coming in I do think anything in the 7-12 range is about right. We certainly have the talent. There are doubts about Penny being able to coach which is also fair since this will only be his second year and it's still unknown how he manages this team. Just need to prove it on the court. I believe we will.

Nailed it! We got some things to prove. Let’s get it on!!

Can’t wait to the Bahamas!! Going to be a blast!!

The latest Vegas futures posted on this forum had the Tigers with the 4th best odds at 12-1(?). In effect ranked 4th by those who put do this for a living

(06-28-2019 08:09 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 07:25 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:00 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 08:52 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Might as well face it guys, people like Katz, Gottleib, Seth Davis and all of ESPN are NEVER going to give Memphis any credit. Davis had the Tigers at 10 in 08 when they were beating the crap out of everybody when the tournament started. If the Tigers finish runner up in the NC game they'll say "told you they were a fluke". I don't know why they are like they are but they are. They've always been that way. Penny and Co. will use their bias as ammunition to fire the young Tigers even more. Go Tigers, win big and stick it to them.

With our class coming in I do think anything in the 7-12 range is about right. We certainly have the talent. There are doubts about Penny being able to coach which is also fair since this will only be his second year and it's still unknown how he manages this team. Just need to prove it on the court. I believe we will.

Nailed it! We got some things to prove. Let’s get it on!!

Can’t wait to the Bahamas!! Going to be a blast!!

The latest Vegas futures posted on this forum had the Tigers with the 4th best odds at 12-1(?). In effect ranked 4th by those who put do this for a living

Vegas is in this to make money...Not necessarily be right.

When Memphis landed Precious, Boogie and Lester in quick succession I am sure a ton of money came in on Memphis pushing the betting line down.

(07-02-2019 06:41 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-28-2019 08:09 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 07:25 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:00 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 08:52 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  Might as well face it guys, people like Katz, Gottleib, Seth Davis and all of ESPN are NEVER going to give Memphis any credit. Davis had the Tigers at 10 in 08 when they were beating the crap out of everybody when the tournament started. If the Tigers finish runner up in the NC game they'll say "told you they were a fluke". I don't know why they are like they are but they are. They've always been that way. Penny and Co. will use their bias as ammunition to fire the young Tigers even more. Go Tigers, win big and stick it to them.

With our class coming in I do think anything in the 7-12 range is about right. We certainly have the talent. There are doubts about Penny being able to coach which is also fair since this will only be his second year and it's still unknown how he manages this team. Just need to prove it on the court. I believe we will.

Nailed it! We got some things to prove. Let’s get it on!!

Can’t wait to the Bahamas!! Going to be a blast!!

The latest Vegas futures posted on this forum had the Tigers with the 4th best odds at 12-1(?). In effect ranked 4th by those who put do this for a living

Vegas is in this to make money...Not necessarily be right.

When Memphis landed Precious, Boogie and Lester in quick succession I am sure a ton of money came in on Memphis pushing the betting line down.

Sports Books don’t set lines to make money but to have the betting equal on two teams. In futures, they want it equally distributed as possible. If a bunch of money came in on Memphis early, they will adjust to even it out among the teams that get 95% of the action.

(06-26-2019 10:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 02:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 11:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  He for sure can be. In the last 15 years...

3 - Round of 64
2 - Round of 32

It would be reasonable to assume that he MIGHT be as good.

5 - Sweet 16

It would NOT be reasonable to think that he could be as good.

2 - National Champion
3 - Elite 8

So if you use the last 15 years as a barometer, I would say that Penny has a 33% chance to be a better coach than Coach K THIS YEAR, has a 67% chance to at least equal him this year, and has a 33% chance to not be as good as him this year.

I fully think that on paper we have a shot at a Sweet 16, which would mean that it is perfectly reasonable to think that Penny can equal Coach K's results 10 out of the last 15 years.

You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers. Another post with a bunch of meaningless numbers. It is like the bible, you can handpick numbers and quotes here and there that you can prove or disprove any possible thing with.

Or you are just too dumb to understand the most simple of simple concepts. Results

1 year out of every 3, Coach K doesn't make it out of the first weekend; almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and almost always with home games in the opening weekend of the tournament.

2 out of every 3 seasons, Coach K doesn't make it past the Sweet 16, almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and much better talent than anyone else, and with home games the opening weekend of the tournament.

Quote:You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers.

Meaningless numbers? NCAA Champion and Round of 64 are the same? Losing in the Round of 64 or Round of 32 when you have much more talent than your opponent is meaningless?

I wasn't quoting stats. I was quoting results; the bottom line, having nothing to do with stats. In the last 15 years you can argue that Duke has 9 tournament losses that range from really bad to embarrassing.

2007
#6 loss to #11, Round of 64

2008
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

2009
#2 loss to #3 by 23 points, Sweet 16

2011
#1 loss to #5 by 16 points, Sweet 16

2012
#2 loss to #15, Round of 64

2013
#2 loss to #1 by 22 points, Elite 8

2014
#3 loss to #14, Round of 64

2016
#4 loss to #1 by 14 points, Sweet 16

2017
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

Feel free to keep making yourself look as dumb as possible.

You are the guy trying to justify claiming a 2nd year coach is as good or better than one of the best coaches of all time and you say I am making myself look dumb... go figure.

I knew you would make yourself look more dumb instead of letting it go. I have never once said that he is better. That is you not being able to read at the level of a 9 year old saying that.

What I have said very plainly is that it is reasonable to think that we can make the Sweet 16 this year; therefore it is reasonable to think that Penny can match Coach K's results 10 out of the last 15 years.

I hate piling on, but literally nothing you say makes any sense. Nobody, myself included has to justify the statement that Coach K hasn't made it past the Sweet 16, in 10 out of the last 15 seasons. I don't have to prove it, that is what is known as a fact.

Keep going. You're good for a few laughs.

I would love to meet up and have a beer with you next time you are in town. Been inviting you for a beer for years and you never take me up on the offer.


If we reach the sweet 16 that makes Penny as good as or better coach than coach K this year... is what you said... No making the sweet 16 1 season does NOT make someone as good as or a better coach that year. That is asinine.

(07-02-2019 10:02 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 10:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 02:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers. Another post with a bunch of meaningless numbers. It is like the bible, you can handpick numbers and quotes here and there that you can prove or disprove any possible thing with.

Or you are just too dumb to understand the most simple of simple concepts. Results

1 year out of every 3, Coach K doesn't make it out of the first weekend; almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and almost always with home games in the opening weekend of the tournament.

2 out of every 3 seasons, Coach K doesn't make it past the Sweet 16, almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and much better talent than anyone else, and with home games the opening weekend of the tournament.

Quote:You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers.

Meaningless numbers? NCAA Champion and Round of 64 are the same? Losing in the Round of 64 or Round of 32 when you have much more talent than your opponent is meaningless?

I wasn't quoting stats. I was quoting results; the bottom line, having nothing to do with stats. In the last 15 years you can argue that Duke has 9 tournament losses that range from really bad to embarrassing.

2007
#6 loss to #11, Round of 64

2008
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

2009
#2 loss to #3 by 23 points, Sweet 16

2011
#1 loss to #5 by 16 points, Sweet 16

2012
#2 loss to #15, Round of 64

2013
#2 loss to #1 by 22 points, Elite 8

2014
#3 loss to #14, Round of 64

2016
#4 loss to #1 by 14 points, Sweet 16

2017
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

Feel free to keep making yourself look as dumb as possible.

You are the guy trying to justify claiming a 2nd year coach is as good or better than one of the best coaches of all time and you say I am making myself look dumb... go figure.

I knew you would make yourself look more dumb instead of letting it go. I have never once said that he is better. That is you not being able to read at the level of a 9 year old saying that.

What I have said very plainly is that it is reasonable to think that we can make the Sweet 16 this year; therefore it is reasonable to think that Penny can match Coach K's results 10 out of the last 15 years.

I hate piling on, but literally nothing you say makes any sense. Nobody, myself included has to justify the statement that Coach K hasn't made it past the Sweet 16, in 10 out of the last 15 seasons. I don't have to prove it, that is what is known as a fact.

Keep going. You're good for a few laughs.

I would love to meet up and have a beer with you next time you are in town. Been inviting you for a beer for years and you never take me up on the offer.


If we reach the sweet 16 that makes Penny as good as or better coach than coach K this year... is what you said... No making the sweet 16 1 season does NOT make someone as good as or a better coach that year. That is asinine.

Why even reply?

He doesn't want to have a conversation, he wants to fight.

Some people place a lot of value on the coach. I think coaching acumen is important, but IMO player talent and experience are the keys to most successful teams.

A lot of people think Gregg Marshall is a great coach. He has a nice resume, but he’s never won a championship. On the flip side, everyone slobbers over coach K. In his case, I’ve never seen him win a title without incredible talent and/or experience. Both are fine coaches, but coach K couldn’t win a title with Gregg’s players.

(07-02-2019 10:18 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Some people place a lot of value on the coach. I think coaching acumen is important, but IMO player talent and experience are the keys to most successful teams.

A lot of people think Gregg Marshall is a great coach. He has a nice resume, but he’s never won a championship. On the flip side, everyone slobbers over coach K. In his case, I’ve never seen him win a title without incredible talent and/or experience. Both are fine coaches, but coach K couldn’t win a title with Gregg’s players.

Agree. It's usually talent, experience at guard, matchups and a little luck.

(07-02-2019 10:18 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Some people place a lot of value on the coach. I think coaching acumen is important, but IMO player talent and experience are the keys to most successful teams.

A lot of people think Gregg Marshall is a great coach. He has a nice resume, but he’s never won a championship. On the flip side, everyone slobbers over coach K. In his case, I’ve never seen him win a title without incredible talent and/or experience. Both are fine coaches, but coach K couldn’t win a title with Gregg’s players.

During the offseason a coach is very important...Not necessarily coaching but making sure his players stay motivated.

Now in season there are occasions that a good gameplan can overcome a talent deficit. UCF vs. Duke comes to mind last year.

(07-02-2019 10:25 AM)rssumme Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 10:18 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Some people place a lot of value on the coach. I think coaching acumen is important, but IMO player talent and experience are the keys to most successful teams.

A lot of people think Gregg Marshall is a great coach. He has a nice resume, but he’s never won a championship. On the flip side, everyone slobbers over coach K. In his case, I’ve never seen him win a title without incredible talent and/or experience. Both are fine coaches, but coach K couldn’t win a title with Gregg’s players.

Agree. It's usually talent, experience at guard, matchups and a little luck.

You guys are both right. We've seen coaches with talent mess things up (i.e. Dale Brown, even Cal and Bruce Pearl on occasion) and we've seen coaches with less talent scheme their way to a victory (Gregg Marshall, Kermit Davis, Tom Izzo). I also think people mistake rankings for talent when rankings are projected as to what they will be in the future, not where they are at now. Josh's teams fell victim to this. People also mistake athleticism for talent when that athlete may not have true basketball skills. The greater the competition, the more skill, experience and coaches acumen is needed.

Team matchups goes to the heart of team composition. To win it all, you have to have a transcendent player (i.e Anthony Davis, Jhalil Okafor, Jalen Brunson at least in college) a player that has caught fire (Kemba Walker, Boatwright and Napier) a really experienced team (Kansas 2008, Villanova twice) and balance (Louisville 2013, North Carolina 2017) luck (Virginia 2019) Duke this year had the transcendent player with no balance with outside shooting and no experience. Michigan and Gonzaga were missing the transcendent player. North Carolina was unlucky because Villanova got all of the bounces that night.

That said, I like the composition of the team on paper that will allow us to matchup against several different styles. (Physical, uptempo, small or deep) We are missing experience but we have the transcendent player and we have balance. Hopefully someone or multiple people can catch fire late in the season. We still need to find out, who has the mental toughness on this team, who is the leader and which of the guards can consistently beat their man off the dribble to get us out of trouble late in the shot clock? If we have multiple guys who can beat people off the dribble, we will be trouble and I like our chances. I'm impressed with the staff that Penny has surrounded himself with and I think they will surprise people in the acumen department.

(07-02-2019 10:02 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 10:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 02:38 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers. Another post with a bunch of meaningless numbers. It is like the bible, you can handpick numbers and quotes here and there that you can prove or disprove any possible thing with.

Or you are just too dumb to understand the most simple of simple concepts. Results

1 year out of every 3, Coach K doesn't make it out of the first weekend; almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and almost always with home games in the opening weekend of the tournament.

2 out of every 3 seasons, Coach K doesn't make it past the Sweet 16, almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and much better talent than anyone else, and with home games the opening weekend of the tournament.

Quote:You may not know this, but you are the one who proved to me, beyond a shadow of doubt, that stats were a bunch of meaningless numbers.

Meaningless numbers? NCAA Champion and Round of 64 are the same? Losing in the Round of 64 or Round of 32 when you have much more talent than your opponent is meaningless?

I wasn't quoting stats. I was quoting results; the bottom line, having nothing to do with stats. In the last 15 years you can argue that Duke has 9 tournament losses that range from really bad to embarrassing.

2007
#6 loss to #11, Round of 64

2008
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

2009
#2 loss to #3 by 23 points, Sweet 16

2011
#1 loss to #5 by 16 points, Sweet 16

2012
#2 loss to #15, Round of 64

2013
#2 loss to #1 by 22 points, Elite 8

2014
#3 loss to #14, Round of 64

2016
#4 loss to #1 by 14 points, Sweet 16

2017
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

Feel free to keep making yourself look as dumb as possible.

You are the guy trying to justify claiming a 2nd year coach is as good or better than one of the best coaches of all time and you say I am making myself look dumb... go figure.

I knew you would make yourself look more dumb instead of letting it go. I have never once said that he is better. That is you not being able to read at the level of a 9 year old saying that.

What I have said very plainly is that it is reasonable to think that we can make the Sweet 16 this year; therefore it is reasonable to think that Penny can match Coach K's results 10 out of the last 15 years.

I hate piling on, but literally nothing you say makes any sense. Nobody, myself included has to justify the statement that Coach K hasn't made it past the Sweet 16, in 10 out of the last 15 seasons. I don't have to prove it, that is what is known as a fact.

Keep going. You're good for a few laughs.

I would love to meet up and have a beer with you next time you are in town. Been inviting you for a beer for years and you never take me up on the offer.


If we reach the sweet 16 that makes Penny as good as or better coach than coach K this year... is what you said... No making the sweet 16 1 season does NOT make someone as good as or a better coach that year. That is asinine.

Of course it does. Why would anyone think that Penny getting to the Sweet 16 this year isn't as good as Coach K doing this?

2007
#6 loss to #11, Round of 64

2008
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

2009
#2 loss to #3 by 23 points, Sweet 16

2012
#2 loss to #15, Round of 64

2014
#3 loss to #14, Round of 64

2017
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

Do you really think that Penny making the Sweet 16 in his second season is not as good as Coach K as a #2 losing to a #15 seed in the round of 64? Are you saying that Coach K is a great coach and even if he flames out early with superior talent, playing two home games to start the tournament, that he is always a great coach?

I think it is reasonable to think that we can reach the Sweet 16 this year. What I said is that based solely on results, that we can reasonably expect Penny to do as well as Coach K has 10 out of the last 15 years.

(07-02-2019 10:18 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 10:02 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 10:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(06-26-2019 09:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Or you are just too dumb to understand the most simple of simple concepts. Results

1 year out of every 3, Coach K doesn't make it out of the first weekend; almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and almost always with home games in the opening weekend of the tournament.

2 out of every 3 seasons, Coach K doesn't make it past the Sweet 16, almost always with much better recruits than anyone else and much better talent than anyone else, and with home games the opening weekend of the tournament.


Meaningless numbers? NCAA Champion and Round of 64 are the same? Losing in the Round of 64 or Round of 32 when you have much more talent than your opponent is meaningless?

I wasn't quoting stats. I was quoting results; the bottom line, having nothing to do with stats. In the last 15 years you can argue that Duke has 9 tournament losses that range from really bad to embarrassing.

2007
#6 loss to #11, Round of 64

2008
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

2009
#2 loss to #3 by 23 points, Sweet 16

2011
#1 loss to #5 by 16 points, Sweet 16

2012
#2 loss to #15, Round of 64

2013
#2 loss to #1 by 22 points, Elite 8

2014
#3 loss to #14, Round of 64

2016
#4 loss to #1 by 14 points, Sweet 16

2017
#2 loss to #7, Round of 32

Feel free to keep making yourself look as dumb as possible.

You are the guy trying to justify claiming a 2nd year coach is as good or better than one of the best coaches of all time and you say I am making myself look dumb... go figure.

I knew you would make yourself look more dumb instead of letting it go. I have never once said that he is better. That is you not being able to read at the level of a 9 year old saying that.

What I have said very plainly is that it is reasonable to think that we can make the Sweet 16 this year; therefore it is reasonable to think that Penny can match Coach K's results 10 out of the last 15 years.

I hate piling on, but literally nothing you say makes any sense. Nobody, myself included has to justify the statement that Coach K hasn't made it past the Sweet 16, in 10 out of the last 15 seasons. I don't have to prove it, that is what is known as a fact.

Keep going. You're good for a few laughs.

I would love to meet up and have a beer with you next time you are in town. Been inviting you for a beer for years and you never take me up on the offer.


If we reach the sweet 16 that makes Penny as good as or better coach than coach K this year... is what you said... No making the sweet 16 1 season does NOT make someone as good as or a better coach that year. That is asinine.

Why even reply?

He doesn't want to have a conversation, he wants to fight.

The last fights we had were after you said that Henderson wasn't a great running back, and it was stupid to hate UT. Out of all the dumb stuff you say, those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.