(06-22-2019 08:58 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 06:08 PM)New Here 101 Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 05:19 PM)micman Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 04:43 PM)New Here 101 Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 02:04 AM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  Well, I for one will go on record, again, as saying that was a screwed up deal to begin with and I do not agree with hiring Keelon simply as a means to get his sons.

Thanks Josh, you babbling idiot.

Tubby was the idiot.

Josh, as bad as he was and he was horrible, didn't want to hire Keelon just to get his sons.

KJ was already a verbal at least.

Josh was forced, coerced into "hiring" Keelon.

The University hired Keelon.

Why do we not use search firms for basketball, the way we hired Fuente? The hiring of Josh Pastner out of some desperate attempt to keep Xavier Henry killed us.

Follow that up with a reactionary hire of ‘the opposite of Pastner’ and that killed us.

Thankfully, The Penny hire is working, but I think that his hiring is more good luck than good athletic administering.

Well, my guess is Calipari told RC to hire Josh, and Josh to accept, he didn't want that goof following him to UK.

Just took him a year to figure it out.

Cal and Josh are still very close.
Cal has told Josh that he has a job open for him at UK anytime.
When he has a brand to promote...he is a relentless recruiter who knows his stuff.

Cal might give him a one season paycheck to be his special assistant but he ain't hiring dude long term.

Plus, there are some skeletons in that closet for dang sure.

Cal is lucky in that Josh would lie through his teeth for Calipari just like he does on a regular basis in every way.

Dude will just lie for no reason.

Josh might be squeaky but he sure as hecks ain't clean.

(06-15-2019 05:44 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Please someone, this is NTR

You know what the thread is so why obsess over it? No self-control?

(06-21-2019 11:53 PM)micman Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 10:33 AM)WiseMan Wrote:  The fact remains that whether Tubby was the second coming of John Wooden (who relied on a mega booster to get his recruits until it snowballed on its own), he was not a good fit for the Tiger job. We needed a dynamic PR coach (sell tickets) , a great recruiter and a decent to good coach. It was all about $$ at that point and admin couldn’t see it but some longtime Tiger fans/boosters could.

I was dead set against the Tubby hire as were a few local media who understood the Memphis job. It turned into a $40M mistake. But PH likely will be able to turn that into a positive number by 2021.

Tubby coaching a team of Memphis kids would be formidable. He didn’t/couldn’t recruit them. Tubby Smith + Alex Lomax point guard = lots of wins. Unfortunately, he recruited more Memphis kids when he was at Minnesota.

Not convinced that would be true.

(06-22-2019 07:25 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Tubby = con

He's so good at it he even cons himself.

That's the worst kind.

We sought him out and badly overpaid him to get him here. We ignored his history since Ky. The main con was the one we inflicted on ourself. Who ever owned that one, Bowen, Rudd or search committee, blew it big time.

(06-20-2019 05:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 04:43 PM)New Here 101 Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 02:04 AM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 01:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  all Tubby had to do was keep Keelon as an Asst Coach and he would have had Dedric, KJ, and Chandler to go along with his 'Tubby kids' like Jamal Johnson, Myreon Jones, David Nickleberry, Kyvon Davenport, Connor Vanover, etc...he could have won some games with those kids IMHO.

just as Tic lead to Cal...Tubby has lead to Penny...I just hate it cost us so much money this time.

Well, I for one will go on record, again, as saying that was a screwed up deal to begin with and I do not agree with hiring Keelon simply as a means to get his sons.

Thanks Josh, you babbling idiot.

Tubby was the idiot.

Josh, as bad as he was and he was horrible, didn't want to hire Keelon just to get his sons.

KJ was already a verbal at least.

Josh was forced, coerced into "hiring" Keelon.

The University hired Keelon.

Keelon had leverage and the whole family knew it. Tubby came, and didn't respect Keelon's leverage any longer.

yeah, but I can't respect Tubby's position when he then brings in his kid that TxTech wouldn't even allow as an asst because of his DUI and clear nepotism from Tubs.

(06-22-2019 10:22 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 07:25 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Tubby = con

He's so good at it he even cons himself.

That's the worst kind.

We sought him out and badly overpaid him to get him here. We ignored his history since Ky. The main con was the one we inflicted on ourself. Who ever owned that one, Bowen, Rudd or search committee, blew it big time.

All true but out of his own mouth the Tub said he was going to hire top recruiters when he knew who his staff was going to be and none of them were top recruiters. He knew we were concerned about his lack of recruiting and he told people what they wanted to hear, got the job then did what he wanted to do (nothing). So yes, bad hire for the admin but yes, con job by the Tub.

He tried to convince us we were undeserving and our expectations were too high because (in short) Memphis was not worthy. Many Tiger fans actually bought that ****. #mindboggling

No doubt he told the players that any failures/losses were their fault. ‘Obedience!!! Players need counseling. Kids who transfer are quitters....’ '

As for himself—Tubby was already adamantly certain his way was the right way AND the only way. Again, many Tiger fans bought that ****.

But his high paid son was the ultimate shitpie in our faces, in the recruits' faces and in the players' faces. Saul was anything but obedient. He was rude to recruits—basically a turrible role model.

Fans players and coaches = one big fat Dysfunctional family

And that best describes what those 2 years were like . lol
Dysfunctional AF

And furthermore, the idea that Tubs kept us out of the NCAA’s crosshairs is just another hidden gem in the total package he sold us. lol the whole thing is beyond fascinating—in retrospect, that is.

The only thing that bugs me is how did so many Tiger fans get hornswaggled

(06-22-2019 10:33 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 05:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 04:43 PM)New Here 101 Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 02:04 AM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 01:50 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  all Tubby had to do was keep Keelon as an Asst Coach and he would have had Dedric, KJ, and Chandler to go along with his 'Tubby kids' like Jamal Johnson, Myreon Jones, David Nickleberry, Kyvon Davenport, Connor Vanover, etc...he could have won some games with those kids IMHO.

just as Tic lead to Cal...Tubby has lead to Penny...I just hate it cost us so much money this time.

Well, I for one will go on record, again, as saying that was a screwed up deal to begin with and I do not agree with hiring Keelon simply as a means to get his sons.

Thanks Josh, you babbling idiot.

Tubby was the idiot.

Josh, as bad as he was and he was horrible, didn't want to hire Keelon just to get his sons.

KJ was already a verbal at least.

Josh was forced, coerced into "hiring" Keelon.

The University hired Keelon.

Keelon had leverage and the whole family knew it. Tubby came, and didn't respect Keelon's leverage any longer.

yeah, but I can't respect Tubby's position when he then brings in his kid that TxTech wouldn't even allow as an asst because of his DUI and clear nepotism from Tubs.

I think we can all agree with that now. I was just laying out the whole Keelon debacle that Josh started - not Rudd, not Bowen, not Tubby, and certainly not Penny.

Well ... It's early July ... We're waiting !!

(06-24-2019 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 10:33 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 05:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 04:43 PM)New Here 101 Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 02:04 AM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  Well, I for one will go on record, again, as saying that was a screwed up deal to begin with and I do not agree with hiring Keelon simply as a means to get his sons.

Thanks Josh, you babbling idiot.

Tubby was the idiot.

Josh, as bad as he was and he was horrible, didn't want to hire Keelon just to get his sons.

KJ was already a verbal at least.

Josh was forced, coerced into "hiring" Keelon.

The University hired Keelon.

Keelon had leverage and the whole family knew it. Tubby came, and didn't respect Keelon's leverage any longer.

yeah, but I can't respect Tubby's position when he then brings in his kid that TxTech wouldn't even allow as an asst because of his DUI and clear nepotism from Tubs.

I think we can all agree with that now. I was just laying out the whole Keelon debacle that Josh started - not Rudd, not Bowen, not Tubby, and certainly not Penny.

Bottom line: when you can’t trust your AD (and I’m being nice here) the program suffers-more to come with Bowen. He PROMISED Tubby a bench job and despite what happened after that, Tubby should have been forced to honor that promise.

(07-08-2019 10:07 AM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 10:33 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 05:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 04:43 PM)New Here 101 Wrote:  Tubby was the idiot.

Josh, as bad as he was and he was horrible, didn't want to hire Keelon just to get his sons.

KJ was already a verbal at least.

Josh was forced, coerced into "hiring" Keelon.

The University hired Keelon.

Keelon had leverage and the whole family knew it. Tubby came, and didn't respect Keelon's leverage any longer.

yeah, but I can't respect Tubby's position when he then brings in his kid that TxTech wouldn't even allow as an asst because of his DUI and clear nepotism from Tubs.

I think we can all agree with that now. I was just laying out the whole Keelon debacle that Josh started - not Rudd, not Bowen, not Tubby, and certainly not Penny.

Bottom line: when you can’t trust your AD (and I’m being nice here) the program suffers-more to come with Bowen. He PROMISED Tubby a bench job and despite what happened after that, Tubby should have been forced to honor that promise.

I totally disagree with this part. However, Tubby should have been made aware of what the UM wanted to do with Keelon and then he (Tubby) could make a decision to come or not.

It's funny how I dug up the thread on the NCAA investigation which should be coming around soon ...
And the only posts involve some personal BS on Tubby. Jesus ... What's wrong with you people ... Start your own damn thread and stop hijacking ...
Ok ... I went back to check on how this thread turned into a F Tubby free for all ... Post #29, yakko says we can thank Tubby that we're not in the middle of this investigation ... AND ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE ... Tubby this and Tubby that. TOTAL LOSS OF SUBJECT !!!
THE THREAD IS ABOUT WHICH 6 SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO GET HAMMERED. READ THE THREAD TITLE !!!

(07-08-2019 02:28 PM)steves Wrote:  It's funny how I dug up the thread on the NCAA investigation which should be coming around soon ...
And the only posts involve some personal BS on Tubby. Jesus ... What's wrong with you people ... Start your own damn thread and stop hijacking ...
Ok ... I went back to check on how this thread turned into a F Tubby free for all ... Post #29, yakko says we can thank Tubby that we're not in the middle of this investigation ... AND ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE ... Tubby this and Tubby that. TOTAL LOSS OF SUBJECT !!!
THE THREAD IS ABOUT WHICH 6 SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO GET HAMMERED. READ THE THREAD TITLE !!!

Preach it brother! Any thread on this board of any length turns into a pissing contest between the same half dozen or so posters.

Is it Tuesday yet?

(07-08-2019 02:28 PM)steves Wrote:  It's funny how I dug up the thread on the NCAA investigation which should be coming around soon ...
And the only posts involve some personal BS on Tubby. Jesus ... What's wrong with you people ... Start your own damn thread and stop hijacking ...
Ok ... I went back to check on how this thread turned into a F Tubby free for all ... Post #29, yakko says we can thank Tubby that we're not in the middle of this investigation ... AND ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE ... Tubby this and Tubby that. TOTAL LOSS OF SUBJECT !!!
THE THREAD IS ABOUT WHICH 6 SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO GET HAMMERED. READ THE THREAD TITLE !!!

FOCUS PEOPLE!

I agree with your sentiment fully!

(06-18-2019 09:10 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:43 AM)memphisike Wrote:  I have to admit, as knowledgeable as I am and with all of my sources, I was happy when Josh and Tubby were hired, I also thought Larry Porter was a good hire.
Josh a decent Dude, who could recruit as could Larry, however neither one were good coaches.
Tubby is a good coach, but he was a tough disciplinarian and I don't think the entitled react well to this type of coaching. Now if Tubby was recruiting players that he going 2 per class in the NBA, his discipline would
Be welcomed. Tubby can coach, he just couldn't recruit the players he needed
The above didn't work, but the word on the Street is
Penny can coach, recruit and above all win a whole lotta non CUPCAKE games and he is all business
And his players know it.

I don't hammer everything you say, BUT C'MON MAN!

Are you serious?

You've seen him up close and personal. Can you still say that confidently? Are you basing it on the ESPN talking heads? Or on winning Pitino's 'ship at Kentucky-the land of infinite resources (including NCAA)?

He's been close enough to your eyes to have given you a fair assessment of your own. Is he really a good coach? Or is that just something you've heard said before?

Over a five year span, Tubby coached Tulsa to back-back sweet sixteens, followed by UGa to the sweet sixteen, then UGa to the second round, then UK to a national championship. Georgia is an abysmal basketball school (a sweet sixteen there is like a final four at Memphis). The guy is a heck of a teacher and coach.

Depends on the students. OBEDIENCE! Counselling!

I don't think Tubby could coach a talented team out of a wet paper bag.

He won that title with pitinos players that made 3 consecutive final fours. Then bombed with his recruits.

(07-08-2019 10:40 PM)micman Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 09:10 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-18-2019 08:43 AM)memphisike Wrote:  I have to admit, as knowledgeable as I am and with all of my sources, I was happy when Josh and Tubby were hired, I also thought Larry Porter was a good hire.
Josh a decent Dude, who could recruit as could Larry, however neither one were good coaches.
Tubby is a good coach, but he was a tough disciplinarian and I don't think the entitled react well to this type of coaching. Now if Tubby was recruiting players that he going 2 per class in the NBA, his discipline would
Be welcomed. Tubby can coach, he just couldn't recruit the players he needed
The above didn't work, but the word on the Street is
Penny can coach, recruit and above all win a whole lotta non CUPCAKE games and he is all business
And his players know it.

I don't hammer everything you say, BUT C'MON MAN!

Are you serious?

You've seen him up close and personal. Can you still say that confidently? Are you basing it on the ESPN talking heads? Or on winning Pitino's 'ship at Kentucky-the land of infinite resources (including NCAA)?

He's been close enough to your eyes to have given you a fair assessment of your own. Is he really a good coach? Or is that just something you've heard said before?

Over a five year span, Tubby coached Tulsa to back-back sweet sixteens, followed by UGa to the sweet sixteen, then UGa to the second round, then UK to a national championship. Georgia is an abysmal basketball school (a sweet sixteen there is like a final four at Memphis). The guy is a heck of a teacher and coach.

Then I guess Jim Harrick is the best coach ever.

(07-08-2019 11:21 AM)Tiger Joe Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 10:07 AM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(06-24-2019 01:47 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(06-22-2019 10:33 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 05:11 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Keelon had leverage and the whole family knew it. Tubby came, and didn't respect Keelon's leverage any longer.

yeah, but I can't respect Tubby's position when he then brings in his kid that TxTech wouldn't even allow as an asst because of his DUI and clear nepotism from Tubs.

I think we can all agree with that now. I was just laying out the whole Keelon debacle that Josh started - not Rudd, not Bowen, not Tubby, and certainly not Penny.

Bottom line: when you can’t trust your AD (and I’m being nice here) the program suffers-more to come with Bowen. He PROMISED Tubby a bench job and despite what happened after that, Tubby should have been forced to honor that promise.

I totally disagree with this part. However, Tubby should have been made aware of what the UM wanted to do with Keelon and then he (Tubby) could make a decision to come or not.

That didn’t happen. So, the promise still stands. Bowen looks like an idiot to most of the basketball program and some players lost respect for Tubby.