(06-11-2019 02:52 AM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 08:04 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Arky state gets around 1 Million for a buy game...

Why would they give up that 1 Million just to come to Memphis and lose money on travel while gifting Memphis the home gate.

We get a minimum of 1.5 million for a buy game. Our AD doesn't talk to anyone for less. Georgia is paying us 1.8 million this year. Bama payed us 1.6 million last year. Most all ASU fans see Memphis as our biggest rival. It should be H&H most years. Shame its only a four year deal with us being so close to each other. We play one money game a year. Georgia this year, Michigan next year, Washington after that.

Surely the bolded cannot be a true statement.

(06-10-2019 11:53 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 10:23 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 07:50 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 06:56 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 06:39 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  ark state brings how many fans?

I am not sure, but would venture to guess more fans than La Monroe, GA State, Mercer, S Alabama and So. Miss combined

As I recall in our attendance records an AR St game or 2 ranks pretty high. So like K2 said, more than our current play down opponents.

The games at Ark. St. set records? Their games at the LB aren’t close to attendance records. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad series or anything, just doesn’t offer attendance boosts anywhere near record numbers. In fact, the last game played at the LB between the two teams, is comparable to Mercer last year and less than several FCS games in recent years.

I listened to an interview with the Ark. St. AD on the AR series and 2 for 1s in general. The host tried his best over and over to get him to say something negative - lol. He said it was disappointing as he has offered 5/10 for 1s to the Razorbacks to no avail. I seriously doubt they’d agree to a 2 for 1 for less than $1.5M, the number they told MS. St. it’d take for anything outside of h&h. There’s no way the gate at that price point would be a good deal for Memphis as they can get a similar/higher turnout from FCS buy games or even MTSU. (Ten thousand more showed up the last time the Blue Raiders came to town).

The biggest positive is a drivable away game for Tiger fans. Media markets overlap so there is no significant exposure boost. The recruiting advantage is also minimal since Norvell started targeting and landing higher caliber players. Nashville, on the other hand, has been an area of emphasis resulting in recent recruiting success. Alabama is another target territory. If the goal is one FCS, 2 P5s and one G5 per year, then a rotation of Ark. St, MTSU and UAB prolly allows for maximum benefit, opportunities to grow the brand and are drivable away games. There’s not enough separation between the three to make one program head and shoulders above the others for scheduling purposes. I think it’s a good series just not worth the money it would take for an unbalanced agreement when other regional G5 teams offer just as much if not more benefit.

Usually I follow your train of thought pretty well, but I don't know what you are saying here. Too many pronouns in the second paragraph. But here's the point about attendance records. It has nothing to do with our home games against them at the LB and everything to do with THEIR attendance records when WE go THERE. 2 of the top five all time attended games in their stadium are against us. When we played each game, it was a new attendance record for them. Keep in mind, they don't have cheap tickets like we do. Their cheapest ticket the last time we played there was $18 (+/-). I don't know how much they go up to down low on the home side, you can bet they make bank when we play them at their place, comparatively speaking. (not comparing them to us, but compared to their other average home games)

Yikes, sorry for the poor wording. I was drowsy and fell asleep posting waiting for a late flight to arrive. I get it now. When I first read it, I thought the post was referring to LB attendance as a reason to schedule, but I got it mixed up with other posts complaining about attendance. I see now, it was presented as reasoning for them to accept a lopsided scheduling agreement. However, that kind of scheduling would be cost prohibitive at this point in time. It’s better to schedule h&h, if you want Ark. St. to visit the LB. All things considered, (attendance, recruiting, exposure outside the metro, drivable away games) the game would be a nice add to a regional G5 rotation.

ETA: The second paragraph referenced an Ark. St. AD interview the day the Arkansas/Memphis 2 for 1 deal came out. He was in transit and hadn’t heard about the agreement yet. The call line kept going in and out, but the gist was those kind of deals have to make sense and differ team to team. He said he’d take a 10 for 1 (think it was a joke), but he said he has reached out and offered to go to Fayetteville 5 times in a row. It was disappointing that they’d (AR) rather play Memphis.

ETA x 2: I feel the need to apologize yet again for that second paragraph. Yuck! I was attempting to compare crowds the last time both Ark. St. and MTSU played at the LB. Video and crowd shots show a nice contingent of visiting red wolf fans. It’s harder to judge the MTSU crowd due to similar colors. However, there’s no denying the overall crowd was bigger for MTSU. Official attendance lists it as a 10k difference and video bears that out...home side looked pretty full. At the end of the gtg game highlights, Alan Cross said it was the best crowd he’d seen as a Tiger at the LB. I like the Ark. St. series...just trying to figure out the best mix of area schools to maximize scheduling benefits.

(06-10-2019 11:08 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 08:47 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 08:46 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 08:44 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 06:39 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  ark state brings how many fans?

when i was formerly known as Free Beer

and selling 7 dolla beers at the concession stand next to the visitor section

i saw about 2-3k asu fans per game

they were always amazed that we sold beer AND liquor.

hail state brought around 8-10k

remember, this is my recollection from my beer stand at the visitor entrance

ole miss brought about 20k, best i could tell

my stand was 10 deep with rebel fans

They never have. 12-15K tops.

keep in mind, i'm doing an attendance estimate from behind a beer cart.

So they haven't had 30,000 at home in nearly 10 years.

Back to the 2 for 1 topic...and to put it to bed...we wouldn't take that from Vandy...they actually wanted to do a home and home with a "neutral" site game in the Titans stadium which is really a 2 for 1 basically...our AD said ok...pay us 1.5 million for the "neutral" site game. Didn't happen. Being close to Memphis and playing yearly with the possibility of kicking up a regional "rivalry" is great for our fans and maybe yours...but it doesn't pay the bills for us...yes increased attendance for the home game we'd get...but not nearly enough to offset not getting the 1.6 to 1.8 we're getting from the big boys. 2) If we did the 2 for 1 without the getting paid we'd still have to play a P5 team on the road to help the budget out...that would mean only 5 home games one year for us...and that isn't possible since we now sell luxury boxes, Loge boxes and club seats at serious premium prices...with the guarantee of 6 home games...if we gave up a home game we'd have to reduce prices in those premium seat areas by around 17% for the lack of a 6th game. We'd incur the same 17% loss on the 10,000 season ticket holders we have as well. As much as I think playing you guys is good for us...we cannot afford financially to make a 2 for 1 happen. Not with any program really.

(06-11-2019 09:44 AM)kb325 Wrote:  Back to the 2 for 1 topic...and to put it to bed...we wouldn't take that from Vandy...they actually wanted to do a home and home with a "neutral" site game in the Titans stadium which is really a 2 for 1 basically...our AD said ok...pay us 1.5 million for the "neutral" site game. Didn't happen. Being close to Memphis and playing yearly with the possibility of kicking up a regional "rivalry" is great for our fans and maybe yours...but it doesn't pay the bills for us...yes increased attendance for the home game we'd get...but not nearly enough to offset not getting the 1.6 to 1.8 we're getting from the big boys. 2) If we did the 2 for 1 without the getting paid we'd still have to play a P5 team on the road to help the budget out...that would mean only 5 home games one year for us...and that isn't possible since we now sell luxury boxes, Loge boxes and club seats at serious premium prices...with the guarantee of 6 home games...if we gave up a home game we'd have to reduce prices in those premium seat areas by around 17% for the lack of a 6th game. We'd incur the same 17% loss on the 10,000 season ticket holders we have as well. As much as I think playing you guys is good for us...we cannot afford financially to make a 2 for 1 happen. Not with any program really.

Ok, 3 for 2 & we'll contribute our usual buy game fee.......

(06-11-2019 06:47 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:52 AM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 08:04 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Arky state gets around 1 Million for a buy game...

Why would they give up that 1 Million just to come to Memphis and lose money on travel while gifting Memphis the home gate.

We get a minimum of 1.5 million for a buy game. Our AD doesn't talk to anyone for less. Georgia is paying us 1.8 million this year. Bama payed us 1.6 million last year. Most all ASU fans see Memphis as our biggest rival. It should be H&H most years. Shame its only a four year deal with us being so close to each other. We play one money game a year. Georgia this year, Michigan next year, Washington after that.

Surely the bolded cannot be a true statement.

It is. Most every poll Ive seen over the years and most all I hear on the call in shows about rivals, Memphis is always #1. Memphis is responsible for a few of our biggest home crowds. I realize Memphis fans may not see it that way, just telling it from our point of view.

(06-11-2019 07:17 PM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 06:47 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:52 AM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 08:04 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Arky state gets around 1 Million for a buy game...

Why would they give up that 1 Million just to come to Memphis and lose money on travel while gifting Memphis the home gate.

We get a minimum of 1.5 million for a buy game. Our AD doesn't talk to anyone for less. Georgia is paying us 1.8 million this year. Bama payed us 1.6 million last year. Most all ASU fans see Memphis as our biggest rival. It should be H&H most years. Shame its only a four year deal with us being so close to each other. We play one money game a year. Georgia this year, Michigan next year, Washington after that.

Surely the bolded cannot be a true statement.

It is. Most every poll Ive seen over the years and most all I hear on the call in shows about rivals, Memphis is always #1. Memphis is responsible for a few of our biggest home crowds. I realize Memphis fans may not see it that way, just telling it from our point of view.

Sure

I do give Frank Broyles credit for running interference on the Keith Lee recruitment though....imagine that he almost made the worst decision of his career -- might have well offered him a nuclear surfboard

Lee said Arkansas State offered him $30,000, a new car, $100 a month, a stereo, a moped for his younger brother and tuition for his sister if he would attend the school. He said he did not sign after NCAA officials warned him he would lose his eligibility.

(06-11-2019 07:17 PM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 06:47 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:52 AM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 08:04 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Arky state gets around 1 Million for a buy game...

Why would they give up that 1 Million just to come to Memphis and lose money on travel while gifting Memphis the home gate.

We get a minimum of 1.5 million for a buy game. Our AD doesn't talk to anyone for less. Georgia is paying us 1.8 million this year. Bama payed us 1.6 million last year. Most all ASU fans see Memphis as our biggest rival. It should be H&H most years. Shame its only a four year deal with us being so close to each other. We play one money game a year. Georgia this year, Michigan next year, Washington after that.

Surely the bolded cannot be a true statement.

It is. Most every poll Ive seen over the years and most all I hear on the call in shows about rivals, Memphis is always #1. Memphis is responsible for a few of our biggest home crowds. I realize Memphis fans may not see it that way, just telling it from our point of view.

That has always been my impression too. Frankly I would like more games against Arkansas State. The games are local with local interest and because of the fans around would sell tickets.

(06-11-2019 07:27 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 07:17 PM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 06:47 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:52 AM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 08:04 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Arky state gets around 1 Million for a buy game...

Why would they give up that 1 Million just to come to Memphis and lose money on travel while gifting Memphis the home gate.

We get a minimum of 1.5 million for a buy game. Our AD doesn't talk to anyone for less. Georgia is paying us 1.8 million this year. Bama payed us 1.6 million last year. Most all ASU fans see Memphis as our biggest rival. It should be H&H most years. Shame its only a four year deal with us being so close to each other. We play one money game a year. Georgia this year, Michigan next year, Washington after that.

Surely the bolded cannot be a true statement.

It is. Most every poll Ive seen over the years and most all I hear on the call in shows about rivals, Memphis is always #1. Memphis is responsible for a few of our biggest home crowds. I realize Memphis fans may not see it that way, just telling it from our point of view.

Sure

I do give Frank Broyles credit for running interference on the Keith Lee recruitment though....imagine that he almost made the worst decision of his career -- might have well offered him a nuclear surfboard

Lee said Arkansas State offered him $30,000, a new car, $100 a month, a stereo, a moped for his younger brother and tuition for his sister if he would attend the school. He said he did not sign after NCAA officials warned him he would lose his eligibility.

wasn't it someone at Memphis State or associated with Memphis State that reported that to the NCAA? Also I seem to recall a story that Jack Eaton told where he offered Dana Kirk money to go to the recruitment of Keith Lee. I kid you not.

(06-11-2019 08:48 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 07:27 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  Lee said Arkansas State offered him $30,000, a new car, $100 a month, a stereo, a moped for his younger brother and tuition for his sister if he would attend the school. He said he did not sign after NCAA officials warned him he would lose his eligibility.

wasn't it someone at Memphis State or associated with Memphis State that reported that to the NCAA?

I've heard & read on here something along those lines several times.

Of course, if it would have been Arkansas instead of Arkansas State, nothing would have happened to them. Well, that was the SWC days, so maybe, but now, no way. $EC is too valuable a commodity.

(06-11-2019 07:17 PM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 06:47 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:52 AM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 08:04 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Arky state gets around 1 Million for a buy game...

Why would they give up that 1 Million just to come to Memphis and lose money on travel while gifting Memphis the home gate.

We get a minimum of 1.5 million for a buy game. Our AD doesn't talk to anyone for less. Georgia is paying us 1.8 million this year. Bama payed us 1.6 million last year. Most all ASU fans see Memphis as our biggest rival. It should be H&H most years. Shame its only a four year deal with us being so close to each other. We play one money game a year. Georgia this year, Michigan next year, Washington after that.

Surely the bolded cannot be a true statement.

It is. Most every poll Ive seen over the years and most all I hear on the call in shows about rivals, Memphis is always #1. Memphis is responsible for a few of our biggest home crowds. I realize Memphis fans may not see it that way, just telling it from our point of view.

Yeah, a lot of our fans would say the viles or the webels, but they certainly wouldn't say us.

IMO Arkansas St should be a 2 for 1 minimum. Possibly 3 for 1. We have the leverage. Plus I know several of their fans (some secondary to the Tigers) and they would rather come to Memphis and maybe go to casino, visit family or enjoy so many things we have that Jonesboro doesn’t. It’s a nice city but most of our fans don’t spend the night there.

(06-11-2019 09:20 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 07:17 PM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 06:47 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 02:52 AM)asuato Wrote:  

(06-10-2019 08:04 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Arky state gets around 1 Million for a buy game...

Why would they give up that 1 Million just to come to Memphis and lose money on travel while gifting Memphis the home gate.

We get a minimum of 1.5 million for a buy game. Our AD doesn't talk to anyone for less. Georgia is paying us 1.8 million this year. Bama payed us 1.6 million last year. Most all ASU fans see Memphis as our biggest rival. It should be H&H most years. Shame its only a four year deal with us being so close to each other. We play one money game a year. Georgia this year, Michigan next year, Washington after that.

Surely the bolded cannot be a true statement.

It is. Most every poll Ive seen over the years and most all I hear on the call in shows about rivals, Memphis is always #1. Memphis is responsible for a few of our biggest home crowds. I realize Memphis fans may not see it that way, just telling it from our point of view.

Yeah, a lot of our fans would say the viles or the webels, but they certainly wouldn't say us.

I didn't mean any disrespect by that comment. I just don't know many Tiger fans who even think about ASU, good, bad, or indifferent.

I think we should play Arkansas State simply because they're so close, their fans are around, and there is some history. The AAC seems almost built to inhibit the growth of any kind of rivalries with teams stretching to three of the four corners the Eastern United States. I mean how many Temple fans do you really know? I know quite a few Arkansas State fans. I'd be much more interested in games against Arkansas State and some of the ooc teams on our schedule.

(06-12-2019 09:15 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I think we should play Arkansas State simply because they're so close, their fans are around, and there is some history. The AAC seems almost built to inhibit the growth of any kind of rivalries with teams stretching to three of the four corners the Eastern United States. I mean how many Temple fans do you really know? I know quite a few Arkansas State fans. I'd be much more interested in games against Arkansas State and some of the ooc teams on our schedule.

I can definitely agree to this. If the choice is between Georgia State or ASU, I'd much rather play Arkansas State.

(06-11-2019 09:56 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  IMO Arkansas St should be a 2 for 1 minimum. Possibly 3 for 1. We have the leverage. Plus I know several of their fans (some secondary to the Tigers) and they would rather come to Memphis and maybe go to casino, visit family or enjoy so many things we have that Jonesboro doesn’t. It’s a nice city but most of our fans don’t spend the night there.

Exactly what leverage would you have on Arkansas State...come on man...We have turned down SEC and Big 10 2 for 1's...it's not feasible for us financially or contractually with premium seating...and would hurt the long term health of our program (fan base). Man, we wouldn't do a 2 for 1 with Arkansas.

(06-12-2019 09:52 AM)kb325 Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 09:56 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  IMO Arkansas St should be a 2 for 1 minimum. Possibly 3 for 1. We have the leverage. Plus I know several of their fans (some secondary to the Tigers) and they would rather come to Memphis and maybe go to casino, visit family or enjoy so many things we have that Jonesboro doesn’t. It’s a nice city but most of our fans don’t spend the night there.

Exactly what leverage would you have on Arkansas State...come on man...We have turned down SEC and Big 10 2 for 1's...it's not feasible for us financially or contractually with premium seating...and would hurt the long term health of our program (fan base). Man, we wouldn't do a 2 for 1 with Arkansas.

The leverage we have is it’s a no win situation for us. We gain nothing by winning and lose a great deal by losing. It’s what the SEC schools use on playing us.

(06-12-2019 10:08 AM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:52 AM)kb325 Wrote:  

(06-11-2019 09:56 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  IMO Arkansas St should be a 2 for 1 minimum. Possibly 3 for 1. We have the leverage. Plus I know several of their fans (some secondary to the Tigers) and they would rather come to Memphis and maybe go to casino, visit family or enjoy so many things we have that Jonesboro doesn’t. It’s a nice city but most of our fans don’t spend the night there.

Exactly what leverage would you have on Arkansas State...come on man...We have turned down SEC and Big 10 2 for 1's...it's not feasible for us financially or contractually with premium seating...and would hurt the long term health of our program (fan base). Man, we wouldn't do a 2 for 1 with Arkansas.

The leverage we have is it’s a no win situation for us. We gain nothing by winning and lose a great deal by losing. It’s what the SEC schools use on playing us.

No, that's not the leverage on them. The leverage is 2-fold.
1) we produce record crowds in their stadium, so their home gate for their home game portion of the contract is better than any other game they will have, save for their conference championship game, and AR- Pine Bluff for some strange reason.
2) I don't care who else they are comparing us to when considering 2-1s or 3-2s, NOBODY has a closer away game travel destination for them than Memphis, and in some fans' cases, they actually live closer to us than them.

(06-12-2019 09:25 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  

(06-12-2019 09:15 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I think we should play Arkansas State simply because they're so close, their fans are around, and there is some history. The AAC seems almost built to inhibit the growth of any kind of rivalries with teams stretching to three of the four corners the Eastern United States. I mean how many Temple fans do you really know? I know quite a few Arkansas State fans. I'd be much more interested in games against Arkansas State and some of the ooc teams on our schedule.

I can definitely agree to this. If the choice is between Georgia State or ASU, I'd much rather play Arkansas State.

Arkansas state would definitely sell more tickets and draw more interest than Georgia State. Arkansas state would be a nice substitute for some of the teams we have on our future schedule.