(03-30-2019 10:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NCCAA Hiwassee Colege Will Shut Down

Another school with sports.

"Our current full-time equivalent enrollment is 225 students"

Seriously dude? LOL

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Wheeling Jesuit Laying Off Faculty, Cutting Fields of Studies, Possible Selling


One of the interesting part in the article is that Wheeling Jesuit could sell their campus and land to West Virginia University.

Still waiting for the "forced realignment"

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Schools closings that effects realignment since 2000.
D2:
Southampton CACC and D1 EIVA for volleyball 2005
Dowling CACC 2017
Saint Paul's CIAA 2013
Armstrong State Peach Belt 2017 when merged into Georgia Southern
St. Joseph's, Indiana 2016
Lambuth Gulf South Conference 2011

D3.
Mount Ida ECIC 2018
College of New Rochelle Ind. 2019
Southern Vermont NECC 2019
Newbury NECC 2019
Daniel Webster NECC 2017
Wheelock College NECC 2018
Polytechnic Institute of New York U. merged into NYU
Mount Senario WMWAC 2002
Pillsbury Baptist Bible WMWAC 2008

NCCAA:
Hiwassee 2019

NAIA:
Dana GPAC 2010
St. Catharine Mid-south 2016
Northwood SAC 2014
St. Gregory's 2017
Mid-Continent AMW 2014
Virginia Intermont AAC 2014
Bethany, California CPC 2014
Cascade College CCC 2009
Barat Chicagoland 2005
Green Mountain NIAC 2019
College of St. Joeseph's, Vermont NIAC 2019
UT-Brownsville Red River 2015 merged with UT-Pan America into UTRGV
Southern Polytech State U. Southern State 2014 merged with another school.

USCAA:
Morthland 2017
Concordia, Alabama 2015


Unaffiliated:
Atlantic Union College
Burlington College
Crossroads
Georgia Perimeter merged with Georgia State
Grace
Jones
Philidelphia U. all sports and college merged into Thomas Jefferson U.
St. Vincent's took over by Sacred Heart


All these schools had sports. The past few years D3, NAIA and lower rung of college sports took the biggest hits. The northeast took the hardest hit.

(03-31-2019 07:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools closings that effects realignment since 2000.
D2:
Southampton CACC and D1 EIVA for volleyball 2005
Dowling CACC 2017
Saint Paul's CIAA 2013
Armstrong State Peach Belt 2017 when merged into Georgia Southern
St. Joseph's, Indiana 2016
Lambuth Gulf South Conference 2011
Philidelphia U. all sports and college merged into Thomas Jefferson U.

NAIA:
Southern Polytech State U. Southern State 2014 merged with another school.

All these schools had sports. The past few years D3, NAIA and lower rung of college sports took the biggest hits. The northeast took the hardest hit.

Southampton and Dowling were in the ECC, not the CACC, and although Southampton closed in 2005 the ECC did not add a new member until 2011. Dowling closed in 2016 and the ECC is not adding a new member until 2020 pending D2 membership acceptance for College of Staten Island. CSI began exploring a move to the ECC and D2 years ago, long before the LIU athletics consolidation. The conference has had two members close but it has lost five members to other conferences since 2000.

Saint Paul's had already dropped sports and left the CIAA in 2011 before closing in 2013. The CIAA did not add a new member until 2018 when Claflin joined bringing the conference up to 13 members. The CIAA is currently seeking new members who have baseball and men's tennis to potentially return those two sports as conference sponsored sports.

The Peach Belt has not added any new members and does not appear to be actively seeking new members since Armstrong State was merged in 2017. The PBC dropped to 12 members after Montevallo left for the GSC in the same year.

Saint Joseph's College closed in 2017 leaving the GLVC with 14 members but the GLVC did not add any new members until nearly a year after UW-Parkside announced their departure in September 2017.

Lambuth closed before ever joining the Gulf South. The GSC got in major expansion mode because of losing the 6 Arkansas schools.

Philadelphia U and Thomas Jefferson were merged but TJU did not have athletics.

Southern Poly was merged with Kennesaw State.

There does not seem to be a lot of force being applied due to closures in these cases. If a school closure forced a conference into realignment, they took a really long time to get a replacement. The desire by the CIAA to re-add conference sports and the 2011 departure of over half of the football schools in the GSC are the reasons those conferences were forced into realignment. I don't see any hard evidence that a closure has been a major factor to force realignment in D3 or NAIA either.

Show your link that a school closing is the one and only reason that forced realignment.

College of St Joseph VT was NAIA for only one year, 2017-18. They bailed for 2018-19

Northwood TX didn't close, they stopped their residential college program along with athletics to focus on CE and Graduate degrees.

Bethany CA was in 2011

Barat was absorbed by Depaul

None of these triggered a re-alignment.

(04-01-2019 11:28 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  College of St Joseph VT was NAIA for only one year, 2017-18. They bailed for 2018-19

Northwood TX didn't close, they stopped their residential college program along with athletics to focus on CE and Graduate degrees.

Bethany CA was in 2011

Barat was absorbed by Depaul

None of these triggered a re-alignment.

I am talking about how financially sound colleges and universities are. When you start seeing staff being cut academically and cutting sports? That means the school is in trouble. Morris Brown used to be D1. They lost their accreditation and dropped sports to completely out of the picture. They are down in enrollment, and been on the verge to get back the picture. It is financial troubles that these schools are in. Green Mountain dropped from D3 to help get them back in shape which did not work. Their money woes at the institution goes back in years. College of Saint Jeseph's in Vermont had money woes before, during and after they left NAIA. I am talking about years. Stillman money woes is more to do on being in the same town as University of Alabama, and kids will go to UA instead of Stillman. The money woes of the whole institution was the reason they cut sports and moved to NAIA. Cheyney did the same moving to USCCA. You need to look at the school as a whole, and not the sport. There are many NAIA schools that are on the watch list for money issues. We may see the majority of the small privates at all levels to get hit hard. We could see many NAIA schools to close down in the next 5 to 10 years if the trend continues the way they are going.

(04-01-2019 10:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 11:28 AM)teamvsn Wrote:  College of St Joseph VT was NAIA for only one year, 2017-18. They bailed for 2018-19

Northwood TX didn't close, they stopped their residential college program along with athletics to focus on CE and Graduate degrees.

Bethany CA was in 2011

Barat was absorbed by Depaul

None of these triggered a re-alignment.

I am talking about how financially sound colleges and universities are. When you start seeing staff being cut academically and cutting sports? That means the school is in trouble. Morris Brown used to be D1. They lost their accreditation and dropped sports to completely out of the picture. They are down in enrollment, and been on the verge to get back the picture. It is financial troubles that these schools are in. Green Mountain dropped from D3 to help get them back in shape which did not work. Their money woes at the institution goes back in years. College of Saint Jeseph's in Vermont had money woes before, during and after they left NAIA. I am talking about years. Stillman money woes is more to do on being in the same town as University of Alabama, and kids will go to UA instead of Stillman. The money woes of the whole institution was the reason they cut sports and moved to NAIA. Cheyney did the same moving to USCCA. You need to look at the school as a whole, and not the sport. There are many NAIA schools that are on the watch list for money issues. We may see the majority of the small privates at all levels to get hit hard. We could see many NAIA schools to close down in the next 5 to 10 years if the trend continues the way they are going.

These colleges much like your theories are fringe at best. You have not found a canary in a coal mine by finding colllleges with 35 students are going under.

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We’re definitely seeing shifts in higher education, but nothing to panic about. If you’re a very small private school (high admin costs, high tuition) that doesn’t have a good reputation in an economically useful program, especially if you’re in a rural or small town area, you’re gonna have a hard time swimming against demographic decline and the rise of online programs. It’s worth tracking for the realignment completists.

TBH I find this subject fairly interesting. And while on a macro level maybe these closings don't change a ton in the sports/college landscape, they still do enroll a number of students and have passionate alumni who I'm sure are devastated by the news.

You are seeing financial issues in D1 as we speak. The schools like Bethune-Cookman, Howard U. and some other HBCUs are struggling with finances in both academics and athletics. Cheyney is a prime example as the first causality in recent years. Saint Pauls several years before.

We also have threads like Akron and other MAC schools having financial issues in both fields. Trend in the downward enrollment at Northern Illinois, Eastern Illinois, Western Illinois and Southern Illinois. We have states cutting education budgets by merging schools in Georgia, Texas and Wisconsin.

We have a thread on here about the merger of Armstrong State to become part of Georgia Southern. That fits in this thread as well. Same with the UTRGV with two schools merging. We are going to see more closers like Presbyterian or other small privates in the next few years. We would see mergers of failing public schools merging with the financially sound schools. I would not be surprise that either Tulsa, Oklahoma or Oklahoma State comes in to save Bacone. They do need a new image. U, of Oklahoma at Muskogee or something like that. Muskogee is one of the larger towns in the state.

So, this thread when a college or university either closes or merging do effect all the other schools in all sports. Remember Grambling State had to scramble to find a replacement in football last fall because of what happened with Bacone College.

We have seen Merrimack moving up from D2. California Baptist Grand Canyon also made the move along with the other private schools. Those schools except for Presbyterian have been gaining enrollment strength and becoming financially sound. How many schools would follow Merrimack to D1? Could FDU and FDU-Florham merged their athletics under one umbrella like LIU did? FDU also have football which means an instant access to FCS playoffs. The teams would not be a start up or anything.

Could we see more schools that are financially sound move to D1 like Bentley, American International, Southern New Hampshire and so forth. Could Azusa Pacific find enough donors for them to upgrade to D1? They are in a major market. We could see some large public schools could make the move to D1. We are already seeing a lot of schools moving up from D3 or switch conferences. Some D3 conferences could be extinct as a lot of schools are not financially sound.

Mismanagement of finances and athletics at the same time could kill the schools.

College Realignment

The link to the thread on the first post shows that which confernces got impacted the most when schools leaves or schools closing. This thread does ties in to the realgnment. A lot have happened the past few years.

How Many Universities Are In The USA and Why The Changes

Quote:While for-profit academic institutions have struggled in recent years with many closing, so too have small liberal arts colleges.

"Among the private colleges, those most susceptible to closing are the 800 private colleges with enrollment of (fewer) than 1,000 students. Schools that are small, schools that are almost entirely dependent on student revenues" Lapovsky says, adding that vulnerable institutions are threatened by the lack of other non-tuition funding streams flowing into those schools.

Hentschke notes that there are many factors in play when it comes to college closures.

"It's a combination of size, market location, market recognition and a brand that can either keep you afloat or conspire against you," Hentschke says. Despite market shifts, he notes the number of schools that close or merge is "relatively small in a given year."

2017 Forbes College Financial Grades

Liberal Arts Colleges In Crises

Quote:“Among the private colleges, those most susceptible to closing are the 800 private colleges with enrollment of (fewer) than 1,000 students.” Many liberal arts colleges are small and are totally dependent on tuition dollars. They do not offer the high-tech majors that are in demand in today’s career landscape. Grace University in Omaha, NE closed in late 2017 because their primary majors, education and psychology, were not attracting the number of students needed to pay their expenses.

So, the majority of small colleges that will close are in D3, NAIA, NCCAA, USCAA and unaffiliated.

1600 enrollment of Wheeling Jesuit is not enough to keep the school open after 2019/2020.
Presbyterian is at a little over 1400 which they are in the danger zone.
Davidson is a little better at 1900.
Wofford is in between 1600 and 1900.
All 4 have declinging enrollment, and all 4 could close.

Quote:In addition, some colleges took on too much debt during the recession financing new buildings and academic programs. Some colleges like Hawaii Pacific University felt that spending more money on perks like dorms, a fitness center, and other spaces would attract more students. It hasn’t. All that spending has done is rack up huge debt. “By 2015, the most recent year for which the figure is available, it owed $75.3 million in municipal bond liabilities, plus $10 million in mortgage and other debts, federal tax records show.” The total debt burden of today’s colleges tops $240 billion.

Hawaii Pacific is a large Private, but they piled up debt upgrading their facilities and added programs to attract more students that it backfired.

The spending like a drunken sailor by all colleges and universities are at all levels that put schools in debt spending on academics to sports.

Iowa Wesleyan only have 571 students which they are trying to stay open.

This is what can caused realignment.

(04-07-2019 01:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  How Many Universities Are In The USA and Why The Changes

Quote:While for-profit academic institutions have struggled in recent years with many closing, so too have small liberal arts colleges.

"Among the private colleges, those most susceptible to closing are the 800 private colleges with enrollment of (fewer) than 1,000 students. Schools that are small, schools that are almost entirely dependent on student revenues" Lapovsky says, adding that vulnerable institutions are threatened by the lack of other non-tuition funding streams flowing into those schools.

Hentschke notes that there are many factors in play when it comes to college closures.

"It's a combination of size, market location, market recognition and a brand that can either keep you afloat or conspire against you," Hentschke says. Despite market shifts, he notes the number of schools that close or merge is "relatively small in a given year."

2017 Forbes College Financial Grades

Liberal Arts Colleges In Crises

Quote:“Among the private colleges, those most susceptible to closing are the 800 private colleges with enrollment of (fewer) than 1,000 students.” Many liberal arts colleges are small and are totally dependent on tuition dollars. They do not offer the high-tech majors that are in demand in today’s career landscape. Grace University in Omaha, NE closed in late 2017 because their primary majors, education and psychology, were not attracting the number of students needed to pay their expenses.

So, the majority of small colleges that will close are in D3, NAIA, NCCAA, USCAA and unaffiliated.

1600 enrollment of Wheeling Jesuit is not enough to keep the school open after 2019/2020.
Presbyterian is at a little over 1400 which they are in the danger zone.
Davidson is a little better at 1900.
Wofford is in between 1600 and 1900.
All 4 have declinging enrollment, and all 4 could close.

Quote:In addition, some colleges took on too much debt during the recession financing new buildings and academic programs. Some colleges like Hawaii Pacific University felt that spending more money on perks like dorms, a fitness center, and other spaces would attract more students. It hasn’t. All that spending has done is rack up huge debt. “By 2015, the most recent year for which the figure is available, it owed $75.3 million in municipal bond liabilities, plus $10 million in mortgage and other debts, federal tax records show.” The total debt burden of today’s colleges tops $240 billion.

Hawaii Pacific is a large Private, but they piled up debt upgrading their facilities and added programs to attract more students that it backfired.

The spending like a drunken sailor by all colleges and universities are at all levels that put schools in debt spending on academics to sports.

Iowa Wesleyan only have 571 students which they are trying to stay open.

This is what can caused realignment.

In 2010, Davidson had 1,700 students (https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/tr...rollment). Their acceptance rate is 22% - they're not declining, they're a small college intentionally.


Wofford (https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/tr...Enrollment) has also seen a slight growth.

I'll admit Presbyterian has declined slightly (https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/tr...rollment), but their acceptance rate is 62%, so if they wanted to grow they could easily just admit more students.

So DavidSt, I am wondering about tin foil as a commodity....

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University of Phoenix are closing a lot of campuses around the country.

(04-10-2019 04:47 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  University of Phoenix are closing a lot of campuses around the country.

They said that two years ago..... Stop using old news to fuel your delusional fantasy world.


https://www.bisnow.com/phoenix/news/reta...uses-79634

(04-10-2019 09:40 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 04:47 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  University of Phoenix are closing a lot of campuses around the country.

They said that two years ago..... Stop using old news to fuel your delusional fantasy world.


https://www.bisnow.com/phoenix/news/reta...uses-79634

How exactly does this affect realignment? When did University of Phoenix start athletics? This thread has officially jumped the shark with that post, it's time to close it.

(04-10-2019 12:43 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 09:40 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 04:47 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  University of Phoenix are closing a lot of campuses around the country.

They said that two years ago..... Stop using old news to fuel your delusional fantasy world.


https://www.bisnow.com/phoenix/news/reta...uses-79634

How exactly does this affect realignment? When did University of Phoenix start athletics? This thread has officially jumped the shark with that post, it's time to close it.

They don't even have a football stadium anymore

(04-10-2019 02:34 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 12:43 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 09:40 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 04:47 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  University of Phoenix are closing a lot of campuses around the country.

They said that two years ago..... Stop using old news to fuel your delusional fantasy world.


https://www.bisnow.com/phoenix/news/reta...uses-79634

How exactly does this affect realignment? When did University of Phoenix start athletics? This thread has officially jumped the shark with that post, it's time to close it.

They don't even have a football stadium anymore

That is why I posted it. Because of the stadium.